I don't understand why, other than the initial entry of names, people want clooz to interact with Legacy. I like clooz because I can list people that I do not put in FTM since I don't know if there is a relationship (but suspect there might be) to those whom I do have in the program, and then, if I do find out they are related, I have the information available in clooz. Georgia On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:54:14 -0400 "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> writes: > Well, Dick, you have truly blindsided me. I have never told you "you > > don't know what you are talking about." And, I have only removed one > > person EVER from the Clooz list because she was disruptive. I guess > > this is why you've failed to respond to my recent e-mails to you > where you had promised to write an article about the effective use > of > Clooz. An e-mail telling me you weren't going to write it, and why, > > would have been a productive thing to do. Last communication from > you > lead me to believe you were very happy with the new program. > > All of you are entitled to your opinions, of course. Developers of > programs have visions for their programs. I have visions for Clooz > and for the design intent. I have listened to many, many suggestions > > and have made a ton of design improvements. I don't think your > criticism of the program is fair. It is much more than new window > dressing on an old product. But the program does still retain its > original mission, which is a document-based program to catalog your > > finds. Making it work with Legacy, as limited as that coordination > is, happened because Legacy code was purchased for the GEDCOM > transfer. I never intended for Clooz to read everything from Legacy. > > And the complaint from the other writer about Legacy not writing to > > Clooz needs to be addressed to Millennia, not me. I can't make > another software write to my software. > > The reality remains that genealogy programs on the market today do > not have places to put all of the data that Clooz stores. Clooz > isn't > for everyone. That's why I offer a free download of the full program > > for 30 days testing, or 15 tries. You should be able to decide in > that time whether or not you like the program. > > At 11:27 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: > >Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one > of > >the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > >points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > >re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for > the > >various features that could be added to make the program useful. > After > >working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous > design > >flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat > out > >told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the > program > >will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to > work > >with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is > that > >the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a > program > >that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add > to > >any analysis of research data already held. > > > >I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run > with > >it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think > that > >this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > >provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could > easy be > >added. > > > >In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked > wall > >and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a > similiar > >product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and > would > >be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth > date, > >and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death > date > >and location - well there are a number of census records that you > can > >get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then > provide > >back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual > that > >would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those > that > >could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > >research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and > the > >development of code is tedious - but from the last communication > that I > >had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I > would > >want to be experiencing at this point. > > > >Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will > most > >like be removed from the list and then black listed from > re-subscribing. > >Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot > of > >true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but > same > >as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so > needed > >and simple. > > > > > > > >Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > > > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the > longest time > > > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking > Clooz. I > > > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > > > > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also > purchased the > > > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > > > > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz > interface. > > > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is > imported into > > > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. > Any > > > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be > incorporated into > > > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. > This > > > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and > chance > > > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > > > > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy > program, > > > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and > more > > > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > > > > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and > encourage the > > > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is > there using > > > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features > incorporated into > > > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > > > subscribership. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > > > From: GH250@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source > Interaction > > > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but > have not > > > > > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the > advantage of > > > entering > > > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > > > information I > > > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper > files. > > > What > > > am I not seeing? > > > > > > Glenda Holmes > > > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I agree! I don't expect my filing cabinet to tell me who, what, where, when like my genealogy program can. I expect to be able to find the papers I used to enter data into my program. Additionally, if you don't like the program, stop using it and don't spout off to the rest of us. jane Georgia P Clark wrote: >I don't understand why, other than the initial entry of names, people >want clooz to interact with Legacy. I like clooz because I can list >people that I do not put in FTM since I don't know if there is a >relationship (but suspect there might be) to those whom I do have in the >program, and then, if I do find out they are related, I have the >information available in clooz. > >Georgia > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:54:14 -0400 "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" ><liz@ancestordetective.com> writes: > > >>Well, Dick, you have truly blindsided me. I have never told you "you >> >>don't know what you are talking about." And, I have only removed one >> >>person EVER from the Clooz list because she was disruptive. I guess >> >>this is why you've failed to respond to my recent e-mails to you >>where you had promised to write an article about the effective use >>of >>Clooz. An e-mail telling me you weren't going to write it, and why, >> >>would have been a productive thing to do. Last communication from >>you >>lead me to believe you were very happy with the new program. >> >>All of you are entitled to your opinions, of course. Developers of >>programs have visions for their programs. I have visions for Clooz >>and for the design intent. I have listened to many, many suggestions >> >>and have made a ton of design improvements. I don't think your >>criticism of the program is fair. It is much more than new window >>dressing on an old product. But the program does still retain its >>original mission, which is a document-based program to catalog your >> >>finds. Making it work with Legacy, as limited as that coordination >>is, happened because Legacy code was purchased for the GEDCOM >>transfer. I never intended for Clooz to read everything from Legacy. >> >>And the complaint from the other writer about Legacy not writing to >> >>Clooz needs to be addressed to Millennia, not me. I can't make >>another software write to my software. >> >>The reality remains that genealogy programs on the market today do >>not have places to put all of the data that Clooz stores. Clooz >>isn't >>for everyone. That's why I offer a free download of the full program >> >>for 30 days testing, or 15 tries. You should be able to decide in >>that time whether or not you like the program. >> >>At 11:27 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >> >> >>>Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous >>>points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a >>>re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>various features that could be added to make the program useful. >>> >>> >>After >> >> >>>working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous >>> >>> >>design >> >> >>>flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat >>> >>> >>out >> >> >>>told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the >>> >>> >>program >> >> >>>will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to >>> >>> >>work >> >> >>>with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a >>> >>> >>program >> >> >>>that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>any analysis of research data already held. >>> >>>I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run >>> >>> >>with >> >> >>>it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has >>>provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could >>> >>> >>easy be >> >> >>>added. >>> >>>In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked >>> >>> >>wall >> >> >>>and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a >>> >>> >>similiar >> >> >>>product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth >>> >>> >>date, >> >> >>>and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death >>> >>> >>date >> >> >>>and location - well there are a number of census records that you >>> >>> >>can >> >> >>>get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then >>> >>> >>provide >> >> >>>back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do >>>research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>development of code is tedious - but from the last communication >>> >>> >>that I >> >> >>>had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>want to be experiencing at this point. >>> >>>Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will >>> >>> >>most >> >> >>>like be removed from the list and then black listed from >>> >>> >>re-subscribing. >> >> >>>Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but >>> >>> >>same >> >> >>>as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so >>> >>> >>needed >> >> >>>and simple. >>> >>> >>> >>>Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the >>>> >>>> >>longest time >> >> >>>>because previously I could seldom comment without knocking >>>> >>>> >>Clooz. I >> >> >>>>can't resist not commenting any longer. >>>> >>>>Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also >>>> >>>> >>purchased the >> >> >>>>current version in hopes of finding it more useful. >>>> >>>>I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz >>>> >>>> >>interface. >> >> >>>>Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is >>>> >>>> >>imported into >> >> >>>>Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. >>>> >>>> >> Any >> >> >>>>further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be >>>> >>>> >>incorporated into >> >> >>>>the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. >>>> >>>> >>This >> >> >>>>amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and >>>> >>>> >>chance >> >> >>>>for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. >>>> >>>>With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy >>>> >>>> >>program, >> >> >>>>most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and >>>> >>>> >>more >> >> >>>>reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. >>>> >>>>Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and >>>> >>>> >>encourage the >> >> >>>>building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is >>>> >>>> >>there using >> >> >>>>the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features >>>> >>>> >>incorporated into >> >> >>>>the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire >>>>subscribership. >>>> >>>>Gary >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT >>>>From: GH250@aol.com >>>>Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source >>>> >>>> >>Interaction >> >> >>>>To: clooz@rootsweb.com >>>>Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>>> >>>>I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but >>>> >>>> >>have not >> >> >>>>continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the >>>> >>>> >>advantage of >> >> >>>>entering >>>>the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the >>>>information I >>>>need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper >>>> >>>> >> files. >> >> >>>>What >>>>am I not seeing? >>>> >>>>Glenda Holmes >>>>Boulder, Colorado >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> >>>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com >>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >