Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the various features that could be added to make the program useful. After working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to any analysis of research data already held. I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be added. In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date and location - well there are a number of census records that you can get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would want to be experiencing at this point. Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed and simple. Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > subscribership. > > Gary > > -------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > From: GH250@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of > entering > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > information I > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. > What > am I not seeing? > > Glenda Holmes > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for the program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program and may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I think it is great. If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers with this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go good together. Keep up the good work, Liz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of > the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the > various features that could be added to make the program useful. After > working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design > flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out > told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program > will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work > with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that > the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program > that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to > any analysis of research data already held. > > I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with > it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that > this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be > added. > > In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall > and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar > product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would > be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, > and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date > and location - well there are a number of census records that you can > get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide > back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that > would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that > could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the > development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I > had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would > want to be experiencing at this point. > > Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most > like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. > Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of > true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same > as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed > and simple. >