Well, Dick, you have truly blindsided me. I have never told you "you don't know what you are talking about." And, I have only removed one person EVER from the Clooz list because she was disruptive. I guess this is why you've failed to respond to my recent e-mails to you where you had promised to write an article about the effective use of Clooz. An e-mail telling me you weren't going to write it, and why, would have been a productive thing to do. Last communication from you lead me to believe you were very happy with the new program. All of you are entitled to your opinions, of course. Developers of programs have visions for their programs. I have visions for Clooz and for the design intent. I have listened to many, many suggestions and have made a ton of design improvements. I don't think your criticism of the program is fair. It is much more than new window dressing on an old product. But the program does still retain its original mission, which is a document-based program to catalog your finds. Making it work with Legacy, as limited as that coordination is, happened because Legacy code was purchased for the GEDCOM transfer. I never intended for Clooz to read everything from Legacy. And the complaint from the other writer about Legacy not writing to Clooz needs to be addressed to Millennia, not me. I can't make another software write to my software. The reality remains that genealogy programs on the market today do not have places to put all of the data that Clooz stores. Clooz isn't for everyone. That's why I offer a free download of the full program for 30 days testing, or 15 tries. You should be able to decide in that time whether or not you like the program. At 11:27 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of >the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous >points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a >re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the >various features that could be added to make the program useful. After >working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design >flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out >told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program >will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work >with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that >the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program >that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to >any analysis of research data already held. > >I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with >it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that >this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has >provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be >added. > >In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall >and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar >product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would >be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, >and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date >and location - well there are a number of census records that you can >get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide >back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that >would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that >could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do >research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the >development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I >had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would >want to be experiencing at this point. > >Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most >like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. >Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of >true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same >as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed >and simple. > > > >Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time > > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I > > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the > > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. > > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into > > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any > > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into > > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This > > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance > > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, > > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more > > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the > > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using > > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into > > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > > subscribership. > > > > Gary > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > > From: GH250@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > > > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of > > entering > > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > > information I > > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. > > What > > am I not seeing? > > > > Glenda Holmes > > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org