I feel that these postings have been very unfair to both Liz and Clooz. I am a relative newcomer to Clooz, having been using it for only about 3 months now. I use it as a filing cabinet in conjunction with TMG 6.11, which is my primary genealogy tool. For what it is, I have found Clooz to be a great tool for organizing, searching, sorting and reporting on the documents that I use in support of the records in my TMG project. Just as with any other software application, I think there are areas in Clooz that could stand improvement. And my previous posts will bear out the fact that I have not been bashful about asking for them. And so far I have always found Liz to be receptive to suggestions for improvement or change. I have 3 types of people in my Clooz database, and I find that it handles them quite well. (1) I have people that also exist in my TMG database, and they are cross-referenced to TMG through Clooz's Alternate ID field. They are the only people in my database that require real policing and sometimes double data-entry, because when I update a part of a name, or birth, marriage or death date for one of them in TMG, I have to be sure to remember to do the same in Clooz. (2) I have people in my Clooz database who could potentially also end up in my TMG database, but at the present time I don't know just how or where they connect up. I assign them an Alternate ID that lets me know they are potential TMG candidates. (3) I have people in Clooz who were also listed in some of my documents who are in no way, shape or form any part of my family and will never appear in my TMG database. I assign them an Alternate ID that tells me that at a glance. The current weakest point of Clooz for me is the lack of reports. But since they are part of Clooz 2.1, and the release of that is imminent, I can't complain about that either. Thanks for all of your hard work, Liz. Mike Daugherty -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dick Davis Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the various features that could be added to make the program useful. After working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to any analysis of research data already held. I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be added. In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date and location - well there are a number of census records that you can get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would want to be experiencing at this point. Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed and simple. Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > subscribership. > > Gary > > -------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > From: GH250@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of > entering > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > information I > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. > What > am I not seeing? > > Glenda Holmes > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message