I didn't see original my posting come through. Here it is again in the event it helps clarify somewhat for anyone else who may be on the fence with Clooz. Gary -----Original Message----- From: G.Olds [mailto:oldsg@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:40 AM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Cc: kathyw@magma.ca Subject: FW: [Clooz] updating Clooz from Legacy In other words Kathy, you are back to double entry recording once you make the initial merge from Legacy to Clooz. There in lies the problem. You must be the judge whether that extra effort is worth using a separate program such as Clooz. The alternative is encouraging Legacy programmers to incorporate a cataloging module within the Legacy program itself. The ultimate solution. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:28 PM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] updating Clooz from Legacy Kathy, instead of reading the 1.23 manual, you need to read the directions in online help within Clooz 2. Everything is explained there. I worked hard on that online help so that everything would be understandable. I'm working on the Clooz 2 manual and it should be available for download soon. But, all the directions are there for what you're trying to do. After you've linked your Clooz and Legacy databases together, you can't currently add people to Clooz that you've added to Legacy. You can, however, add people to Legacy when you're adding them to Clooz. So that's the better way to go at present. Hopefully Millennia will add that feature to Legacy. Liz Kerstens >On Wed, 17 May 2006 07:31:59 -0400 "Kathy Wallace" <kathyw@magma.ca> >writes: > > Hi - I'm new to Clooz 2.0 (still a trial user) and admit that I > > haven't read > > the entire online manual for the older version. I'm a Legacy > > Family Tree > > user and had no trouble importing data to create a Clooz database. > > I then > > started inputting data for the Canadian 1851/52 census and realized > > that the > > census gave me more people than I had in Legacy. I went back and > > added > > names for a family but, of course, they were not in the Clooz > > database. I > > then saved the updated Legacy file with a new name and tried to > > import the > > new information into Clooz. It worked - but I lost the census > > information > > that I'd been working on and when I try to access the Clooz file > > that > > matched the earlier Legacy info Can someone suggest what I should > > have > > done so that I was able to keep the Clooz census info and bring the > > new > > people in to the database so that I could link them? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kathy > > Ottawa, Canada -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 ______________________________

Does anyone have the same problem I do? I cannot add a source on the us census screen. No matter what year I try to imput, clooz doesnt have the add a source button on it. Mary Hamilton

List, The Clooz 2 User's Manual is now online and downloadable. It's at ftp://clooz.com/pub/clooz%202%20online%20manual.pdf. I just finished it, so it hasn't been printed yet, but that's next. I hope to have the manuals available for sale within the next month. Liz Kerstens

My new e-mail address is:- << jfquinn@msn.com >> Old address was:- socaljacjquinn@cs.com Thank You, John F Quinn

Liz - thanks for the suggestion about the online help. Is there any way that the help might be made accessible from more than just the main screen? I think that part of the reason that I missed using it is that I went in - tried looking at Canadian census records and the top navigation with File Edit Search Reports and Help is then immediately greyed out. If I maximize the window for inputting I don't see the Help even exists. I expect that I'm not alone in just diving in to see user friendly / intuitive a program is. Having to go back to the main page to Help is not ideal. Kathy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006

Thanks for the replies Gary and Georgia. It would a pretty big drawback doing double entry. So far I don't find Clooz all that intuitive but admit that I haven't devoted hours to it. I'll have to give it some thought. So far I've been just using Excel to keep track of documents and Clooz might be a better solution than that. I have also been filing things under names rather than type of document (census etc). I'm not new to genealogy so have a lot of paper and electronic info - not much of which is organized to maximize retrieval unfortunately. I guess that no matter which method one chooses the key is to use it thorough, documenting diligently filing and re-filing etc. Right now I'm looking at a rather untidy workspace and that is where I'll start today. I think that I'll check the Legacy boards/list and see if others have talked about it there. All the best in your research Kathy -----Original Message----- From: G.Olds [mailto:oldsg@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:40 AM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Cc: kathyw@magma.ca Subject: FW: [Clooz] updating Clooz from Legacy In other words Kathy, you are back to double entry recording once you make the initial merge from Legacy to Clooz. There in lies the problem. You must be the judge whether that extra effort is worth using a separate program such as Clooz. The alternative is encouraging Legacy programmers to incorporate a cataloging module within the Legacy program itself. The ultimate solution. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:28 PM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] updating Clooz from Legacy Kathy, instead of reading the 1.23 manual, you need to read the directions in online help within Clooz 2. Everything is explained there. I worked hard on that online help so that everything would be understandable. I'm working on the Clooz 2 manual and it should be available for download soon. But, all the directions are there for what you're trying to do. After you've linked your Clooz and Legacy databases together, you can't currently add people to Clooz that you've added to Legacy. You can, however, add people to Legacy when you're adding them to Clooz. So that's the better way to go at present. Hopefully Millennia will add that feature to Legacy. Liz Kerstens >On Wed, 17 May 2006 07:31:59 -0400 "Kathy Wallace" <kathyw@magma.ca> >writes: > > Hi - I'm new to Clooz 2.0 (still a trial user) and admit that I > > haven't read > > the entire online manual for the older version. I'm a Legacy > > Family Tree > > user and had no trouble importing data to create a Clooz database. > > I then > > started inputting data for the Canadian 1851/52 census and realized > > that the > > census gave me more people than I had in Legacy. I went back and > > added > > names for a family but, of course, they were not in the Clooz > > database. I > > then saved the updated Legacy file with a new name and tried to > > import the > > new information into Clooz. It worked - but I lost the census > > information > > that I'd been working on and when I try to access the Clooz file > > that > > matched the earlier Legacy info Can someone suggest what I should > > have > > done so that I was able to keep the Clooz census info and bring the > > new > > people in to the database so that I could link them? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kathy > > Ottawa, Canada -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006

I have Legacy program and noticed I can export to Clooz. I have Clooz 1.23 and have entered some info to it. Will Legacy add more info and will it write over what I have? Thanks for any info Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: Clooz-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:Clooz-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: Clooz-D@rootsweb.com<mailto:Clooz-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Clooz-D Digest V06 #28

Kathy, instead of reading the 1.23 manual, you need to read the directions in online help within Clooz 2. Everything is explained there. I worked hard on that online help so that everything would be understandable. I'm working on the Clooz 2 manual and it should be available for download soon. But, all the directions are there for what you're trying to do. After you've linked your Clooz and Legacy databases together, you can't currently add people to Clooz that you've added to Legacy. You can, however, add people to Legacy when you're adding them to Clooz. So that's the better way to go at present. Hopefully Millennia will add that feature to Legacy. Liz Kerstens >On Wed, 17 May 2006 07:31:59 -0400 "Kathy Wallace" <kathyw@magma.ca> >writes: > > Hi ­ I’m new to Clooz 2.0 (still a trial user) and admit that I > > haven’t read > > the entire online manual for the older version. I’m a Legacy > > Family Tree > > user and had no trouble importing data to create a Clooz database. > > I then > > started inputting data for the Canadian 1851/52 census and realized > > that the > > census gave me more people than I had in Legacy. I went back and > > added > > names for a family but, of course, they were not in the Clooz > > database. I > > then saved the updated Legacy file with a new name and tried to > > import the > > new information into Clooz. It worked ­ but I lost the census > > information > > that I’d been working on and when I try to access the Clooz file > > that > > matched the earlier Legacy info Can someone suggest what I should > > have > > done so that I was able to keep the Clooz census info and bring the > > new > > people in to the database so that I could link them? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kathy > > Ottawa, Canada > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: > > 5/15/2006 > > > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > > Learn more: > > >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599 >&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the >world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Kathy, I haven't installed the new version of clooz yet, but if it performs the same way as the old version, then after you select the database, click on the people button (terminology?) and then select "add a new person". On the 1.23 version, there is a picture of a person with a dog. Select that and enter the person's information. This is also the place where you edit the information for someone, search to see if you have the person and where you can preview what you have on that person. When you were entering the info for the census, you had the option of putting a new person in the people database at that time. Georgia On Wed, 17 May 2006 07:31:59 -0400 "Kathy Wallace" <kathyw@magma.ca> writes: > Hi – I’m new to Clooz 2.0 (still a trial user) and admit that I > haven’t read > the entire online manual for the older version. I’m a Legacy > Family Tree > user and had no trouble importing data to create a Clooz database. > I then > started inputting data for the Canadian 1851/52 census and realized > that the > census gave me more people than I had in Legacy. I went back and > added > names for a family but, of course, they were not in the Clooz > database. I > then saved the updated Legacy file with a new name and tried to > import the > new information into Clooz. It worked – but I lost the census > information > that I’d been working on and when I try to access the Clooz file > that > matched the earlier Legacy info Can someone suggest what I should > have > done so that I was able to keep the Clooz census info and bring the > new > people in to the database so that I could link them? > > Thanks > > Kathy > Ottawa, Canada > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: > 5/15/2006 > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599 &targetid=5429 > > >

A little while ago I upgraded my o.s to WinXP Pro and M$ Office 2003. In the process the Access runtime went away. I did not reinstall it since I was willing to wait a bit to get the upgrade. Now the Q: If I do not reinstall the Access runtime will my data -- now stored in tables and such in Access -- be accessible or will I have to import it in some fashion? TIA Nelson

Hi – I’m new to Clooz 2.0 (still a trial user) and admit that I haven’t read the entire online manual for the older version. I’m a Legacy Family Tree user and had no trouble importing data to create a Clooz database. I then started inputting data for the Canadian 1851/52 census and realized that the census gave me more people than I had in Legacy. I went back and added names for a family but, of course, they were not in the Clooz database. I then saved the updated Legacy file with a new name and tried to import the new information into Clooz. It worked – but I lost the census information that I’d been working on and when I try to access the Clooz file that matched the earlier Legacy info Can someone suggest what I should have done so that I was able to keep the Clooz census info and bring the new people in to the database so that I could link them? Thanks Kathy Ottawa, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/2006

Three years ago my mother passed away and I lost interest in genealogy. I have since had a renewed interest in family history and I need to reload files from the past. I have different computers now with different software. My data was originally prepared with Windows 98 on the desktop. The desktop now has Windows XP home and the laptop Windows 2000. I have Clooz v 1.23 which is what I made my backup files with on to a diskette, not a cd, or dvd. I looked at the manual as well as the help on the Clooz menu and I'm unclear as how to get the files back on the computers. I'm planning to purchase the new version of Clooz so should I even bother trying to put the files on the old version. I don't want to loose the information from the backups as they have several names on them. Thanks, Walt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006

Hey all, I was missing something.... like half the form. After careful study of the help file I realized that all of my forms were cut off, I went looking for the "link" button, to the right of the "digital file" text box and found that the edge of the form window cut off the text box. The problem was in my 'display properties' in the control panel. I had chosen 'large fonts' instead of 'normal size'. 'control panel', 'display', 'settings' tab, 'advanced' submenu, top portion normal size 96dpi. happy to be sending this solution before the letter with the original problem even appears in the list. cheers Ann

Hey all, I just downloaded the new version and I have imported my Legacy file. It is not clear to me what exactly should I expect to find in my new Clooz database, I see the people and the sources. Should there be any links? I tried to enter my first record (a UK census) was able to fill out the whole form but I could not figure out how to save the document record and move on to the next one, am I missing something?? (besides a clue). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ann

Liz, I had deleted the Beta verson. So, should I now look in another direction--a missing .dll or driver due to something else, like the Windows Defender Beta and it's changes? Thanks again Betty G. Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:16:01 -0400 From: "Betty Griffith" <betty.j.griffith@gmail.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3b11710c0605111616p5c2d068u4a46b470c5efa4c9@mail.gmail.com> [somewhat snipped] Then the question at the end--"Launch Clooz"--I did, instead of rebooting. At the dialog box to enter new database name (I did) then received the following: ERROR-- Project Name: Clooz Source: frmMain.SelectDatabase Description: The type initializer for "Clooz.modOpenDatabase" threw an exception I have Norton virus & spyware, Ad-Aware, Spybot, and Windows Defender (in Beta 2 phase--it just updated last week from Beta 1 phase). These were all turned off during install. Is there something else I'm missing? Thanks for any help. Betty G. ______________________________ X-Message: #7 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:51:23 -0400 From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com [snipped] If you downloaded the Clooz 2.0 beta and made a database, you won't be able to use that database with the release version of Clooz 2.0. You will need to create a new database. There were changes made to the underlying database that require you to make a new database. Liz Kerstens

I haven't entered a blible record into Clooz yet, but you could probably do it either way. One way would be to enter your photocopy of the bible record as a source document. Then make a birth, marriage or death document based on that source, perhaps putting in the description that this was an abstraction of birth records from such and such a document. You could also then label/number that document in such a way so that you could easily tell what it was. The other way would be to just make one general document for bible records and link everyone to that document. Maybe someone else has some other suggestions. - Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Dick Davis <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:35:05 -0400 Subject: [Clooz] Bible Record Entry Finally started the use of the program and have a question. I have bible records of births, marriages, and deaths and would like to know how others have entered these. Are they entered as General Documents, or birth record, marriage record or death record respectively? Additionally, mine are photocopies of the original records and I have scanned the copies to make them electronic images. Any suggestions on entering these records? IF there is more information, then let me know and I will try to explain further.

Wow! Just downloaded the new version and, boy, am I impressed!! I installed it over 1.23 and converted the database and had no problems. I have been a registered user for several years now (also of Geneweaver) and I can't wait to start entering some more info. The new program seems to be so sleek and "now." In all honesty, I had not done a great deal with the older version as I found it a bit cumbersome but I think this one will be fabulous! Liz, it looks great and I'm looking forward to obtaining the manual as I kinda need the manual right next to me with a new program. Best of luck and thanks so much for all your efforts. By the way, it seems to be working well with my Brothers Keeper. Regards, Mary B. Wilson PS--Maybe a similar upgrade will be forthcoming with Geneweaver ;-) ??

Finally started the use of the program and have a question. I have bible records of births, marriages, and deaths and would like to know how others have entered these. Are they entered as General Documents, or birth record, marriage record or death record respectively? Additionally, mine are photocopies of the original records and I have scanned the copies to make them electronic images. Any suggestions on entering these records? IF there is more information, then let me know and I will try to explain further.

At 08:07 AM 5/12/2006, landmbrew@charter.net wrote: >I have downloaded the new version of Clooz. Do I need to uninstall >the old version before I install the new version? Only the beta needs to be uninstalled. You don't need to uninstall 1.23 or earlier Clooz versions unless you want to. But the beta, if you installed it, should be uninstalled. Liz Kerstens

Greetings all, If you downloaded the Clooz 2.0 beta and made a database, you won't be able to use that database with the release version of Clooz 2.0. You will need to create a new database. There were changes made to the underlying database that require you to make a new database. Liz Kerstens