We made the decision on what would transfer to the next details screen based on what type of record it was. Usually only one person is dying in a record, so the decision was made to only transfer the surname since the other people listed would likely be parents or informants. At 08:40 PM 6/13/2006, gadgetsmom@aol.com wrote: > > >I have just entered all the details for a birth record and the >little block on the main screen is checked. I then linked the >parents, but when I go to entere the detail for the parent I receive >a message "Do you want to fill the detail from with the previous >data?" I click yes, but all that is filled in on the detail screen >is the surname. Why aren't all the details from the birth record >that I previously entered showing up? According to the users manual >those details should be there. I've opened and closed the detail >screen, even closed the document, unlinked and linked the parents >again, but the details do not duplicate. Am I doing something wrong? > >Please help. Thanks, > >Joan >________________________________________________________________________ >Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, >email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Could I make a suggestion when posting - if the post is relating to Clooz V2, I would like to suggest that it be the first two letters of the subject. For those of us that have migrated to Version 2, it would be easier to see and then discard the V1 posts.

I have just entered all the details for a birth record and the little block on the main screen is checked. I then linked the parents, but when I go to entere the detail for the parent I receive a message "Do you want to fill the detail from with the previous data?" I click yes, but all that is filled in on the detail screen is the surname. Why aren't all the details from the birth record that I previously entered showing up? According to the users manual those details should be there. I've opened and closed the detail screen, even closed the document, unlinked and linked the parents again, but the details do not duplicate. Am I doing something wrong? Please help. Thanks, Joan ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Hello Everyone, I have installed Clooz 2. I have Legacy 6 Deluxe. Today I installed the latest Windows updates. I have XP service pack 2. My Legacy files are in multiple family files. I am trying to create a Clooz file per Legacy File. I tried to created a Clooz file. I did not work. I then created a GEDCOM from Legacy. Then tried to create a Clooz file from that. No luck. I keep getting multiple error messages. Any suggestions? I can't seem to create a Clooz file. Thank You, Debbie Freeman

Surely the personal information is only there to ensure you correctly identify the person you are linking to the document, so the extra marriages don't matter at that point. Don't forget, in Clooz it's the document which is paramount. David Williams -----Original Message----- From: Arleen [mailto:as_esu@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:27 AM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Clooz] 2nd marriage Maybe I didn't explain myself well-it isn't the first time :) When you open the database for "people" there are columns ID, Alt ID, Surname, Given, Birth/Bap Date, Marriage Date. It is the marriage date column that I am wondering what others are doing. If a person is married more then once do you put 1st marriage only or do you put years of each marriage. I realize you will see all the marriage records linked once you open up that person. I hope I made this clear. Arleen > > > Arleen, I would put each marriage in as a separate document, > with all the pertinent information, linking each one to the > same person. That way when you look at the person's record, > you will see there are several marriages for that person. > > - Sue - > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arleen <as_esu@comcast.net> > To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:09:56 -0500 > Subject: [Clooz] 2nd marriage > > > Just wondering how others deal with a 2nd or 3rd marriage for > an individual? What date do you use for the marriage date > entry? I understand how it will all link up once you see the > documents listed for the person. > > Arleen > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release > Date: 6/2/2006 > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your > ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 ______________________________

I use the Marriage blank in the People template several different ways. I see no problem in having multiple dates for multiple marriages and have done it without any apparent problems.. In some of my Clooz databases I even add the female spouse's given name after the marriage date on the male's People template (ex. "3 June 1945 - Jean") and the male's surname after the marriage date on on the female's people template( ex. 3 June 1945 - Smith). There is quite a bit of room for a long entry. My suggestion make a test entry of a fictious person "John Test" and add several marriage dates in his people template. Along with a fictious marriage documentor two. Then see how it looks in your database. You can always go back and delete John Test and his Test Marriage document(s). Although you can sort on the date fields in Clooz, it is not of practical value as it is not a true sort of the whole date field so that is not a reason to not do it. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arleen" <as_esu@comcast.net> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: RE: [Clooz] 2nd marriage > Maybe I didn't explain myself well-it isn't the first time :) > > When you open the database for "people" there are columns > ID, Alt ID, Surname, Given, Birth/Bap Date, Marriage Date. > It is the marriage date column that I am wondering what others are > doing. If a person is married more then once do you put 1st marriage > only or do you put years of each marriage. I realize you will see all > the marriage records linked once you open up that person. I hope I made > this clear. > Arleen > >> >> >> Arleen, I would put each marriage in as a separate document, >> with all the pertinent information, linking each one to the >> same person. That way when you look at the person's record, >> you will see there are several marriages for that person. >> >> - Sue - >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arleen <as_esu@comcast.net> >> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:09:56 -0500 >> Subject: [Clooz] 2nd marriage >> >> >> Just wondering how others deal with a 2nd or 3rd marriage for >> an individual? What date do you use for the marriage date >> entry? I understand how it will all link up once you see the >> documents listed for the person. >> >> Arleen >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release >> Date: 6/2/2006 >> >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your >> ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 > 9&targetid=5429 > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Arleen, I would put each marriage in as a separate document, with all the pertinent information, linking each one to the same person. That way when you look at the person's record, you will see there are several marriages for that person. - Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Arleen <as_esu@comcast.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:09:56 -0500 Subject: [Clooz] 2nd marriage Just wondering how others deal with a 2nd or 3rd marriage for an individual? What date do you use for the marriage date entry? I understand how it will all link up once you see the documents listed for the person. Arleen -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Maybe I didn't explain myself well-it isn't the first time :) When you open the database for "people" there are columns ID, Alt ID, Surname, Given, Birth/Bap Date, Marriage Date. It is the marriage date column that I am wondering what others are doing. If a person is married more then once do you put 1st marriage only or do you put years of each marriage. I realize you will see all the marriage records linked once you open up that person. I hope I made this clear. Arleen > > > Arleen, I would put each marriage in as a separate document, > with all the pertinent information, linking each one to the > same person. That way when you look at the person's record, > you will see there are several marriages for that person. > > - Sue - > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arleen <as_esu@comcast.net> > To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:09:56 -0500 > Subject: [Clooz] 2nd marriage > > > Just wondering how others deal with a 2nd or 3rd marriage for > an individual? What date do you use for the marriage date > entry? I understand how it will all link up once you see the > documents listed for the person. > > Arleen > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release > Date: 6/2/2006 > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your > ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006

Just wondering how others deal with a 2nd or 3rd marriage for an individual? What date do you use for the marriage date entry? I understand how it will all link up once you see the documents listed for the person. Arleen -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006

Is there any interest in doing online meeting, training in the basics of Clooz Version 2? So, what would some of the expectations be that you would want to see? What times would you be available to use this type of knowledge and program collaboration? What do you consider to be a reasonable/nominal charge for this type of online understanding? Let me know - I can plan out something that is worth while, but want to see if there is an interest first.

I have read the section on using Clooz and Legacy together and understand how the two programs share the drop down fields, this was clearly stated and is a great time saver. However, the manual is silent on whether the details of an actual source, which was entered initally into Legacy, has to be entered into Clooz 2 also. Can you address this specific question? ----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:27:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Clooz] Do I have to enter source information into Clooz and Legacy? Well, Dick, and others, I'll point you in the direction of the manual and online help. I discuss these points there. The online help is fully searchable and the manual is free to download from www.clooz.com/download.htm or you can purchase the printed copy for $14.95 plus shipping from the clooz.com website. Liz At 10:54 PM 6/8/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >While reading some of the messages on legacy, this question was brought >forth several times by some of the members, I wanted to post it here get the >feed back from Liz and let her have a chance at explaining how the interface >with Clooz and Legacy is designed, how it works and what pointers she feels >are important to be aware of - so, Liz take it away! > >Dick Davis >Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com > > > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

<<The Clooz Document beyond the original doesn't have to have the templates filled out completely. Just the Document ID with suffix, and the digital address that you wish to record. I wouldn't attach people etc. The Master Document ID template handles that. The additional Clooz document ID's are just to find either the digital file on your computer or in your paper file system.>> OK, I've got it now. I was assuming I would need to fill out all the boxes. That would be easy. I've just been messing around with an alternate way of doing it. I have the program PaperPort. You can easily move files around and rename in the program. You can have any kind of document or photo file. Then you can convert each to a "PaperPort" document. Once you have it as a Paperport document, you can stack them and convert the whole stack to a pdf file. Then I saved the pdf folder where I'm putting the files for linking to Clooz. I'm just now comparing the image quality and I can't see that it's not as good. Patti

Patti, that's a good question. I actually thought about that at one point. I'll keep it in my list of enhancement suggestions for the future, but at this point, you can only link to one digital document per template. Liz At 11:59 AM 6/9/2006, Bob wrote: >Patti > >My suggestion (as a work around) would be to use a Suffix to your >Document name for additional pages. > >Example: > >Deed0003-1 would be the original document with digital file 1 >Deed0003-2 would be the home for digital file 2 that relates to this document. >Deed0003-3 would be the home for digital file 3 and so on. > >You could use a suffix of a's and b's or whatever. Just keep in mind >they need to be able to sort out in an order. If you are going above >9 digital images you'll need to use -01 so that you have two >characters to sort over. > >Your paper files would all be in Deed0003 location fiolder, >notebook, whatever and you should be able to put your hands on them >when you need to as Deed0003 is the key to everything in that file. > >Bob > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Hobbs" <cheshire@cleverwelding.com> >To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:32 AM >Subject: [Clooz] attachments > > >>It appears that it is possible to attach only one digital file. Is >>that correct? When I have one in already and try to put another >>in, the first is replaced. I have situations where I have multiple >>files for the same "document" This mainly occurs with deeds and >>probate records. I take digital photographs in courthouses of >>deeds, but often it takes two or three photographs to get the whole >>deed. Then I like to transcribe the deed. I'd like to be able to be >>able to put in all the files that are part of that one "document." >>Patti >> >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Well, Dick, and others, I'll point you in the direction of the manual and online help. I discuss these points there. The online help is fully searchable and the manual is free to download from www.clooz.com/download.htm or you can purchase the printed copy for $14.95 plus shipping from the clooz.com website. Liz At 10:54 PM 6/8/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >While reading some of the messages on legacy, this question was brought >forth several times by some of the members, I wanted to post it here get the >feed back from Liz and let her have a chance at explaining how the interface >with Clooz and Legacy is designed, how it works and what pointers she feels >are important to be aware of - so, Liz take it away! > >Dick Davis >Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com > > > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Patti My suggestion (as a work around) would be to use a Suffix to your Document name for additional pages. Example: Deed0003-1 would be the original document with digital file 1 Deed0003-2 would be the home for digital file 2 that relates to this document. Deed0003-3 would be the home for digital file 3 and so on. You could use a suffix of a's and b's or whatever. Just keep in mind they need to be able to sort out in an order. If you are going above 9 digital images you'll need to use -01 so that you have two characters to sort over. Your paper files would all be in Deed0003 location fiolder, notebook, whatever and you should be able to put your hands on them when you need to as Deed0003 is the key to everything in that file. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Hobbs" <cheshire@cleverwelding.com> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: [Clooz] attachments > It appears that it is possible to attach only one digital file. Is that > correct? When I have one in already and try to put another in, the first > is replaced. I have situations where I have multiple files for the same > "document" This mainly occurs with deeds and probate records. I take > digital photographs in courthouses of deeds, but often it takes two or > three photographs to get the whole deed. Then I like to transcribe the > deed. I'd like to be able to be able to put in all the files that are part > of that one "document." > Patti > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Liz, I'm the one who asked the question on the Legacy list. And I've just read the manual--didn't know I could download it--I just ordered it with my Clooz upgrade. I understand about the sources being available from Legacy, but it seems like there would be a lot of duplicate entering if I were to enter information into Legacy and then also enter it into Clooz. I know some things would be easier because of the drop-down menus which would make the Legacy source info available although all I see that's *really* available is the title. But I had thought that maybe an "easier" solution would be to just use the Clooz file number as my source in Legacy. Then I would be entering the bulk of the source data in Clooz, but would easily be able to access the information by having the source data. Most of the source data that I imported from Legacy (admittedly a small amount) is listed as "document" when I know that some are other things. Since I would feel the need to re-categorize based upon the Clooz divisions (which make great sense), I'm just not sure how helpful bringing in sources from Legacy is....at least in my case. I've not been doing genealogy for very long and only very part time. I haven't worked on things long enough to establish patterns and habits. So I'm hoping to get all up to speed by using Clooz. But I didn't want to have to enter the information again into Legacy. Seems to me the best solution is to use my Clooz File Numbers as sources in Legacy. Patti Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > Well, Dick, and others, I'll point you in the direction of the manual > and online help. I discuss these points there. The online help is > fully searchable and the manual is free to download from > www.clooz.com/download.htm or you can purchase the printed copy for > $14.95 plus shipping from the clooz.com website. > > Liz >

I have thought of another way of doing it. I have OpenOffice and in that there is a draw program. I could add the graphics files to a drawing document and also copy and paste the transcription. Then I could add the links to the graphics files (since you wouldn't be able to zoom in, etc. on those within the document and they probably wouldn't be able to be as large of files). But by the time I do all that I might as well have done multiple Clooz documents. Patti Patti Hobbs wrote: > Thanks, Bob. Your numbering system is similar to what I'm using for > the digital files. However, isn't what you're explaining as the > work-around require me to do multiple Clooz documents? So that each > Clooz document would then attach to each digital file? I'd really > rather not do that--that sounds like a lot of extra work. It seems > like it would be easier just to have the program have the capability > of adding multiple files to one document. > > Patti > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Thanks, Bob. Your numbering system is similar to what I'm using for the digital files. However, isn't what you're explaining as the work-around require me to do multiple Clooz documents? So that each Clooz document would then attach to each digital file? I'd really rather not do that--that sounds like a lot of extra work. It seems like it would be easier just to have the program have the capability of adding multiple files to one document. Patti

Someone got me straight on entering the detail information about the individual from censuses. Patti

I just opened up the old Clooz and see that there wasn't any place to add the information found at the line level on censuses. I should have looked first. Patti