I think the problem is that, from the outside, it looks as though Clooz and Legacy march hand in hand and are more integrated than perhaps the real case is. Certainly I've never seen any response to my queries about people using Clooz as a stand-alone document management system -- thus suggesting to my mind that Clooz users are also tied Legacy users. Are there Clooz users who use one of the other Windows-based genealogy programs? Kate, I use RootsMagic and I love it. I don't have a lot of documents entered into Clooz yet since I am trying to get my information into RootsMagic first, then copy what I can into Clooz. Dottie Nash

In a message dated 6/18/2006 7:11:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dick.Davis@verizon.net writes: I would recommend that if this discussion has to be continued, then it be continued off the list. I agree with Dick on this. As Cheryl said "She uses Clooz as a stand alone." Clooz IS a stand alone program and needs to be just that. It keeps track of your documents and links people to them. Clooz keeps me organized and allows instant retrieval of any and all documents I have entered. The alternate ID number allows me to enter a person's individual number no matter what genealogy program is being used. I use the Alternate, ID number to keep track of all of the "not known if they are related" BOYD's/GORDON's/ARMSTRONG's on the Griffith's Valuations and other Irish records I've used. By putting the Townland in the space I can group every name in that Townland. Not everyone is going to enter information the same. Liz has done a fine job on the manual but each of us will have to make the final decision on how we want the program she designed to fit our individual needs. I'm not a programmer but doubt that every program can be everything to everybody. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C. --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.

I use FTM and just started using TMG Clooz is stand alone so I know what documents I have for individuals. AR > > > ---- CzechDot@aol.com wrote: > > I think the problem is that, from the outside, it looks as though > > Clooz > > and Legacy march hand in hand and are more integrated than > perhaps the > > real case is. Certainly I've never seen any response to my > queries about > > people using Clooz as a stand-alone document management > system -- thus > > suggesting to my mind that Clooz users are also tied Legacy > users. Are > > there Clooz users who use one of the other Windows-based genealogy > > programs? > > > > Kate, I use RootsMagic and I love it. I don't have a lot > of documents > > entered into Clooz yet since I am trying to get my > information into RootsMagic > > first, then copy what I can into Clooz. Dottie Nash > > > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and > friends. > > Learn more: > > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytr> eemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14 > > 599&targetid=5429 > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn > more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release > Date: 6/14/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: 6/14/2006

I am wondering this based off the message traffic that I have been reading and seeing - would it be useful if we started a "This is how I use Clooz" on a weekly basis - thus it would be in a chat room type arrangmen and then all that are participating could see how others are using the prodcut, provide some tips & techniques that might be able to be used, and just some good ol Genealogy Knowledge exchange on a very sucessful product? - I know long sentence - a stream of thought. I know for one it would provide a benefit to me, and then we could see if we want to do this further, with mroe advanced topics as well - but I thin that being able to see how others use it, work with it and such - would definitely be benefical. My suggestion is about an hour no longer, on the internet in a common evironment - and being able to see others as they use the clooz program. This would be that we would have a host, one or more persenters based on how they use the program. Thougths? Ideas? suggestions? ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob <List@rheinlander.org> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:01:26 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM I also use Clooz as a stand alone document management companion to FTM for about the same time periods as Cheryl and basically in the same manner. I reference the Clooz Document ID in FTM and can easily find the document for reference in the file cabinet when necessary. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Castellan" <ce.castellan@worldnet.att.net> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: [Clooz] Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM > In response to Kate's question - I use Clooz as a stand alone as a > companion to FTM. I have used FTM for about 15 yrs and have used Clooz > for about 5. I do not have any problems with this. I initially > transferred my people from FTM to Clooz several years ago and now add new > people as they come up. I add them in FTM then switch over to Clooz and > record the documents adding the new people. The initial transfer matched > the reference # in FTM to the people ID in Clooz - now I use the alternate > ID in Clooz for the ref # in FTM for new people. I also try to remember > to enter the Clooz document # in FTM as I'm doing it. > > Hope this helps > Cheryl

This problem is definitely NOT user error. It occurs on a few computers and is mentioned on the Clooz FAQ page at http://www.clooz.com/kbsa.htm#exit%20button. I will send you the instructions for fixing this separately. It requires me to send you a file. I'm not sending the information to the list because it only applies to a few people/computers, so if you're having this problem, please contact me off list. Liz At 09:10 PM 6/18/2006, anne livak wrote: >Help! Anyone, >Tried to add new person. Screen comes up and data entered. No exit >button with red dot and blue person available. Error message: "do >you wish to discard the data" is the only option when I attempt to >leave the new person screen. I have re-downloaded the program and >have imported my people via gedcom from Legacy. Is it an operator >problem of is something not turned on? Thanks. >Anne > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I'm using FTM and Clooz. No problems Mike ---- CzechDot@aol.com wrote: > I think the problem is that, from the outside, it looks as though Clooz > and Legacy march hand in hand and are more integrated than perhaps the > real case is. Certainly I've never seen any response to my queries about > people using Clooz as a stand-alone document management system -- thus > suggesting to my mind that Clooz users are also tied Legacy users. Are > there Clooz users who use one of the other Windows-based genealogy > programs? > > Kate, I use RootsMagic and I love it. I don't have a lot of documents > entered into Clooz yet since I am trying to get my information into RootsMagic > first, then copy what I can into Clooz. Dottie Nash > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

At 06:57 PM 6/18/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >I send a note to Liz on another topic and then asked her briefly how to >record cemeteries. She replied that a cemetery is a repository since >information is being obtained from it. Before asking the question, I had >entered the cemeteries and some churches as businesses - as that make send >to me. And has a very nice use of the grid for the businesses - Cemetery >-Virginia, Cemetery - Texas - and this looked really good - and made a great >deal sense. The problem was that I could not link any people to the >business, I could link them to the buildings. I understand the linking >people to buildings, and businesses to buildings, but I don't understand why >we can't link people to businesses - such as churches, fraternities, etc. - >these are businesses and organizations. I know that Liz is trying to get >several items corrected quickly - but am I on the right track? > >Now back to the question - how to enter cemeteries - do I enter them as >business or as repositories? Dick, what might help is to get back to basics with Clooz. Remember, Clooz is DOCUMENT-based. So, what you are entering are documents that come from somewhere. The somewhere is the source/repository combination. You can link people to a business, if you have a document that you are entering that relates to that business. The addition of the list of businesses was intended to complement the list of people, so you could treat businesses themselves like you treat people. From there, you enter documents that you find and link either people or businesses to them. So, if you look at Clooz from the document perspective, you might be able to understand the thinking there. Liz

Help! Anyone, Tried to add new person. Screen comes up and data entered. No exit button with red dot and blue person available. Error message: "do you wish to discard the data" is the only option when I attempt to leave the new person screen. I have re-downloaded the program and have imported my people via gedcom from Legacy. Is it an operator problem of is something not turned on? Thanks. Anne

In response to Kate's question - I use Clooz as a stand alone as a companion to FTM. I have used FTM for about 15 yrs and have used Clooz for about 5. I do not have any problems with this. I initially transferred my people from FTM to Clooz several years ago and now add new people as they come up. I add them in FTM then switch over to Clooz and record the documents adding the new people. The initial transfer matched the reference # in FTM to the people ID in Clooz - now I use the alternate ID in Clooz for the ref # in FTM for new people. I also try to remember to enter the Clooz document # in FTM as I'm doing it. Hope this helps Cheryl

Dick, I'm certainly no expert on entering sources and repositories, I have to carefully think each one out. However, for the two cemeteries I have entered, I have entered them as a repository because I have documents indicating plot locations. I have several other cemeteries that I have a picture of a headstone, or personal knowledge of a grave, I would assume I would also enter them as repositories. HOWEVER, now I'm not sure how what to enter as a Source. Should I reference the source as the name of the Cemetery too? Oh, I'm so confused. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Dick Davis <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:57:37 -0400 Subject: [Clooz] Clooz V2 -Recording Cemeteries Ok - I am totally confused - and that is something that doesn't happen very often - LOL! I have CloozV2 installed with the interface to Legacy 6 and am trying to get data centered. So, I have been entering (very slowly - as wanting to make sure that I am doing it right first) several cemeteries - both private ones and then once connected to churches. I send a note to Liz on another topic and then asked her briefly how to record cemeteries. She replied that a cemetery is a repository since information is being obtained from it. Before asking the question, I had entered the cemeteries and some churches as businesses - as that make send to me. And has a very nice use of the grid for the businesses - Cemetery -Virginia, Cemetery - Texas - and this looked really good - and made a great deal sense. The problem was that I could not link any people to the business, I could link them to the buildings. I understand the linking people to buildings, and businesses to buildings, but I don't understand why we can't link people to businesses - such as churches, fraternities, etc. - these are businesses and organizations. I know that Liz is trying to get several items corrected quickly - but am I on the right track? Now back to the question - how to enter cemeteries - do I enter them as business or as repositories? Hope someone can explain because I am just down right baffled. Also, if it is easier to explain on the telephone, then give me a phone number and I will call for the explanation. Thanks - Dick (once in a lifetime confused!) ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Ladies - I think that this has gone much further than any one on the list has any desire to see or hear the discussion. I would recommend that if this discussion has to be continued, then it be continued off the list. There are only three programs / products on the market that I know have these capabilities - CloozV2, Custodian Version 3, and Bygones - the only one that is robust is Clooz as the other two are older programs and are being patched to work with the various changes. Additionally, the other two programs, especially the Custodian, do not respond to email - no matter how many you send - at the very least Liz responds, and then gives some answers and guidance. So, rather than spending the time, effort and energy attempt to "show each other the might and strength of each other", I for one would much rather see this put in to making this program better and a leader in the market of genealogy - as I DO THINK THER IS A DEFINITE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM! So, can we get on with the work and thoughts of making this program better - more stable, more useful -- or do we all have to be punished with this continual battle of wills and hurt feelings.

Ok - I am totally confused - and that is something that doesn't happen very often - LOL! I have CloozV2 installed with the interface to Legacy 6 and am trying to get data centered. So, I have been entering (very slowly - as wanting to make sure that I am doing it right first) several cemeteries - both private ones and then once connected to churches. I send a note to Liz on another topic and then asked her briefly how to record cemeteries. She replied that a cemetery is a repository since information is being obtained from it. Before asking the question, I had entered the cemeteries and some churches as businesses - as that make send to me. And has a very nice use of the grid for the businesses - Cemetery -Virginia, Cemetery - Texas - and this looked really good - and made a great deal sense. The problem was that I could not link any people to the business, I could link them to the buildings. I understand the linking people to buildings, and businesses to buildings, but I don't understand why we can't link people to businesses - such as churches, fraternities, etc. - these are businesses and organizations. I know that Liz is trying to get several items corrected quickly - but am I on the right track? Now back to the question - how to enter cemeteries - do I enter them as business or as repositories? Hope someone can explain because I am just down right baffled. Also, if it is easier to explain on the telephone, then give me a phone number and I will call for the explanation. Thanks - Dick (once in a lifetime confused!)

I think the problem is that, from the outside, it looks as though Clooz and Legacy march hand in hand and are more integrated than perhaps the real case is. Certainly I've never seen any response to my queries about people using Clooz as a stand-alone document management system -- thus suggesting to my mind that Clooz users are also tied Legacy users. Are there Clooz users who use one of the other Windows-based genealogy programs? I know there are none on the Mac side. I had been interested in using Clooz as the "electronic filing cabinet" that I had seen described in some articles, but I'm certainly not interested in migrating my files to Legacy in order to use Clooz. Whatever the initial design assumptions from the Clooz side, Clooz users have their own mental models of the two programs and their relationship. Designers, programmers, etc. need to recognize that rather than rejecting it as unreasonable -- if for no other reason than it's inevitable. Kate McCain Clooz-L-request@rootsweb.com 06/18/2006 04:54 PM Please respond to markieblackmon@erols.com To Clooz-L@rootsweb.com cc Subject Re: [Clooz] Entering people in Clooz & Legacy Elizabeth ~ I was not making "programming suggestions"; if I were, the post would have included code. I was merely addressing Clooz/Legacy interoperability features at a *functional/user level* in response to another poster's query. I in no way inferred degree of difficulty one way or the other regarding new feature implementation. The topic never came up. Margaret Flint Blackmon Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > Margaret, I would appreciate it if you would make your programming > suggestions to me instead of to the list. I am a staff of one, and I > pay a programmer, who is currently on vacation. It took me 5 years to > release Clooz 2. Implementing anything new is not as easy as you make > it sound. There's no reason Millennia can't make functions available > for their users within Legacy as I've done within Clooz, if they want > to provide that service to their customers. > > Clooz is a stand-alone program and I've only added the convenience of > using Legacy and Clooz together because I purchased their GEDCOM code. > I don't make it easy for users of ANY other program to use the two > together, and I'm beginning to regret making Legacy and Clooz work > together (for several reasons). My obligation is to ALL of my > customers, not just to Legacy users. I will concentrate my programming > resources where I feel they are most needed. > > At 10:01 AM 6/16/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >> You've misunderstood my point. Let me clarify: >> >> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >> Legacy does not need TO BE MODIFIED to *write to* Clooz. Clooz can >> BE MODIFIED to *read from* Legacy. You don't need Millenia's >> involvement at all. >> >> I was responding to your prior statement "If you want to be able to >> add people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >> Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. " >> In fact, you/your programmer can make this possible. For example, >> implement an "Import New People" function in Clooz which would, when >> selected, provide the user with a dropdown list of Legacy folk. User >> selection from this list would result in the selected individuals' >> pertinent data being inserted into Clooz. >> I, too, know what I'm talking about. >> >> Margaret Flint Blackmon >> Oracle Certified Master DBA, 1992 >> Oracle Developer, V5-V11i, 1988-2006 >> Microsoft Access Developer, 1991-2006 >> >> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>> That's not true. Clooz writes to Legacy and Clooz databases. Legacy >>> writes to Legacy databases only. If you want to write people to >>> Legacy and Clooz simultaneously, the only way to do that currently >>> is to add them to Clooz. Legacy doesn't add people to the Clooz >>> database, which is separate. >>> >>> I really do know what I'm talking about, Margaret. >>> >>> At 01:23 PM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >>>> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >>>> Legacy does not need to **write to** Clooz. Clooz can **read >>>> from** Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> >>>> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>>>> Clooz writes to Legacy but Legacy doesn't write PEOPLE to Clooz, >>>>> as I said below. It's not for me, it's for Legacy users. >>>>> >>>>> At 11:34 AM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: * >>>>>> Now I'm very confused. Clooz currently writes to Legacy, so that >>>>>> connection exists. What's preventing Clooz from querying that >>>>>> same database? What exactly do you expect Millenia to provide? >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret >>>>>> >>>>>> At 09:17 PM 6/14/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>>>>>> I just recently upgraded to Clooz 2.0 and Legacy 6 Deluxe. From >>>>>>> what I have been reading, if I am understanding correctly, when >>>>>>> I enter new people in Legacy, the only way to get them into >>>>>>> Clooz is to enter them manually. Is that correct? I have >>>>>>> preferred to enter people into Legacy first then Clooz, but it >>>>>>> sounds like I need to change my habit and enter into Clooz first >>>>>>> so they will be automatically entered into Legacy. Am I >>>>>>> understanding this process correctly? >>>>>> >>>>>> That is correct at the moment. If you want to be able to add >>>>>> people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >>>>>> Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>>>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>>> >>>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>>> the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. 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Elizabeth ~ I was not making "programming suggestions"; if I were, the post would have included code. I was merely addressing Clooz/Legacy interoperability features at a *functional/user level* in response to another poster's query. I in no way inferred degree of difficulty one way or the other regarding new feature implementation. The topic never came up. Margaret Flint Blackmon Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > Margaret, I would appreciate it if you would make your programming > suggestions to me instead of to the list. I am a staff of one, and I > pay a programmer, who is currently on vacation. It took me 5 years to > release Clooz 2. Implementing anything new is not as easy as you make > it sound. There's no reason Millennia can't make functions available > for their users within Legacy as I've done within Clooz, if they want > to provide that service to their customers. > > Clooz is a stand-alone program and I've only added the convenience of > using Legacy and Clooz together because I purchased their GEDCOM code. > I don't make it easy for users of ANY other program to use the two > together, and I'm beginning to regret making Legacy and Clooz work > together (for several reasons). My obligation is to ALL of my > customers, not just to Legacy users. I will concentrate my programming > resources where I feel they are most needed. > > At 10:01 AM 6/16/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >> You've misunderstood my point. Let me clarify: >> >> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >> Legacy does not need TO BE MODIFIED to *write to* Clooz. Clooz can >> BE MODIFIED to *read from* Legacy. You don't need Millenia's >> involvement at all. >> >> I was responding to your prior statement "If you want to be able to >> add people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >> Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. " >> In fact, you/your programmer can make this possible. For example, >> implement an "Import New People" function in Clooz which would, when >> selected, provide the user with a dropdown list of Legacy folk. User >> selection from this list would result in the selected individuals' >> pertinent data being inserted into Clooz. >> I, too, know what I'm talking about. >> >> Margaret Flint Blackmon >> Oracle Certified Master DBA, 1992 >> Oracle Developer, V5-V11i, 1988-2006 >> Microsoft Access Developer, 1991-2006 >> >> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>> That's not true. Clooz writes to Legacy and Clooz databases. Legacy >>> writes to Legacy databases only. If you want to write people to >>> Legacy and Clooz simultaneously, the only way to do that currently >>> is to add them to Clooz. Legacy doesn't add people to the Clooz >>> database, which is separate. >>> >>> I really do know what I'm talking about, Margaret. >>> >>> At 01:23 PM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >>>> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >>>> Legacy does not need to **write to** Clooz. Clooz can **read >>>> from** Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> >>>> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>>>> Clooz writes to Legacy but Legacy doesn't write PEOPLE to Clooz, >>>>> as I said below. It's not for me, it's for Legacy users. >>>>> >>>>> At 11:34 AM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: * >>>>>> Now I'm very confused. Clooz currently writes to Legacy, so that >>>>>> connection exists. What's preventing Clooz from querying that >>>>>> same database? What exactly do you expect Millenia to provide? >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret >>>>>> >>>>>> At 09:17 PM 6/14/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>>>>>> I just recently upgraded to Clooz 2.0 and Legacy 6 Deluxe. From >>>>>>> what I have been reading, if I am understanding correctly, when >>>>>>> I enter new people in Legacy, the only way to get them into >>>>>>> Clooz is to enter them manually. Is that correct? I have >>>>>>> preferred to enter people into Legacy first then Clooz, but it >>>>>>> sounds like I need to change my habit and enter into Clooz first >>>>>>> so they will be automatically entered into Legacy. Am I >>>>>>> understanding this process correctly? >>>>>> >>>>>> That is correct at the moment. If you want to be able to add >>>>>> people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >>>>>> Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>>>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>>> >>>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>>> the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. 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Margaret, I would appreciate it if you would make your programming suggestions to me instead of to the list. I am a staff of one, and I pay a programmer, who is currently on vacation. It took me 5 years to release Clooz 2. Implementing anything new is not as easy as you make it sound. There's no reason Millennia can't make functions available for their users within Legacy as I've done within Clooz, if they want to provide that service to their customers. Clooz is a stand-alone program and I've only added the convenience of using Legacy and Clooz together because I purchased their GEDCOM code. I don't make it easy for users of ANY other program to use the two together, and I'm beginning to regret making Legacy and Clooz work together (for several reasons). My obligation is to ALL of my customers, not just to Legacy users. I will concentrate my programming resources where I feel they are most needed. At 10:01 AM 6/16/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >You've misunderstood my point. Let me clarify: > >In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >Legacy does not need TO BE MODIFIED to *write to* Clooz. Clooz can >BE MODIFIED to *read from* Legacy. You don't need Millenia's >involvement at all. > >I was responding to your prior statement "If you want to be able to >add people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. " >In fact, you/your programmer can make this possible. For example, >implement an "Import New People" function in Clooz which would, when >selected, provide the user with a dropdown list of Legacy >folk. User selection from this list would result in the selected >individuals' pertinent data being inserted into Clooz. >I, too, know what I'm talking about. > >Margaret Flint Blackmon >Oracle Certified Master DBA, 1992 >Oracle Developer, V5-V11i, 1988-2006 >Microsoft Access Developer, 1991-2006 > >Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>That's not true. Clooz writes to Legacy and Clooz databases. Legacy >>writes to Legacy databases only. If you want to write people to >>Legacy and Clooz simultaneously, the only way to do that currently >>is to add them to Clooz. Legacy doesn't add people to the Clooz >>database, which is separate. >> >>I really do know what I'm talking about, Margaret. >> >>At 01:23 PM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >>>In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, >>>anything), Legacy does not need to **write to** Clooz. Clooz can >>>**read from** Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. >>> >>>Margaret >>> >>> >>>Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>>>Clooz writes to Legacy but Legacy doesn't write PEOPLE to Clooz, >>>>as I said below. It's not for me, it's for Legacy users. >>>> >>>>At 11:34 AM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: * >>>>>Now I'm very confused. Clooz currently writes to Legacy, so >>>>>that connection exists. What's preventing Clooz from querying >>>>>that same database? What exactly do you expect Millenia to provide? >>>>> >>>>>Margaret >>>>> >>>>>At 09:17 PM 6/14/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>>>>>I just recently upgraded to Clooz 2.0 and Legacy 6 Deluxe. From >>>>>>what I have been reading, if I am understanding correctly, when >>>>>>I enter new people in Legacy, the only way to get them into >>>>>>Clooz is to enter them manually. Is that correct? I have >>>>>>preferred to enter people into Legacy first then Clooz, but it >>>>>>sounds like I need to change my habit and enter into Clooz >>>>>>first so they will be automatically entered into Legacy. Am I >>>>>>understanding this process correctly? >>>>> >>>>>That is correct at the moment. If you want to be able to add >>>>>people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >>>>>Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. >>>>> >>>>>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>>Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>>> >>>>>============================== >>>>>Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>>>ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>> >>>>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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So, how is planning to work when (1) legacy starts being able to write to Clooz, (2) when the number is already taken by Clooz and (3) legacy decides to re-use the RIN? I know that based on a recent set of entries, I had to manually manipulate legacy to get it to work with Clooz - thus keeping the synch process in tack. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:58 PM To: Dick.Davis@verizon.net; Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] Clooz V2 - Reusing Person ID At present, Clooz cannot reassign ID numbers. I have a number of issues to look at, so I don't know if this will change or not. At 05:55 PM 6/17/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >If I delete a person in Clooz and it deletes the same person record in >Legacy will reuse the RIN. I did not find any thing in the Clooz help about >how Clooz will handle this. If Clooz does not reuse the Person ID, then the >two are immediate out of synch and there I no further benefit of the two >being able to interface at all. > > > >If this is an incorrect assumption, or the documentation is missing this >portion - what is the result / or direction that is used to resolve this? > > > > > > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Dick, I appreciate the idea of these enhancements, but before I start adding anything, I have to finish getting this version completed, i.e. the rest of the reports. So, don't look for new stuff soon. At 05:58 PM 6/17/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >Is there a forth coming enhancement to have businesses to have addresses and >contacts? I am using the businesses for churches, businesses, fraternities, >sororities, and cemeteries - as these are businesses. And they have websites >as well in many cases. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

At present, Clooz cannot reassign ID numbers. I have a number of issues to look at, so I don't know if this will change or not. At 05:55 PM 6/17/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >If I delete a person in Clooz and it deletes the same person record in >Legacy will reuse the RIN. I did not find any thing in the Clooz help about >how Clooz will handle this. If Clooz does not reuse the Person ID, then the >two are immediate out of synch and there I no further benefit of the two >being able to interface at all. > > > >If this is an incorrect assumption, or the documentation is missing this >portion - what is the result / or direction that is used to resolve this? > > > > > > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Is there a forth coming enhancement to have businesses to have addresses and contacts? I am using the businesses for churches, businesses, fraternities, sororities, and cemeteries - as these are businesses. And they have websites as well in many cases. Dick Davis Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com

If I delete a person in Clooz and it deletes the same person record in Legacy will reuse the RIN. I did not find any thing in the Clooz help about how Clooz will handle this. If Clooz does not reuse the Person ID, then the two are immediate out of synch and there I no further benefit of the two being able to interface at all. If this is an incorrect assumption, or the documentation is missing this portion - what is the result / or direction that is used to resolve this?