Good interview - just finished listening to it. Dick Davis Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 5:19 PM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clooz] Clooz Podcasts Hi all, I was interviewed twice at the National Genealogical Conference in Chicago a couple weeks ago. Both interviews are now online. The Dick Eastman interview is just me and Dick talking about Clooz and is about 37 minutes. The Genealogy Guys Podcast contains my interview with Drew Smith along with a lot of other information from the Genealogy Guys. My interview is about 2/3 of the way into the podcast. Dick Eastman interview is here: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/06/podcast_clooz_2.html# more Drew Smith interview is here: http://genealogyguys.com/index.php?post_id=104357 Enjoy! Liz Kerstens ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Hi all, I was interviewed twice at the National Genealogical Conference in Chicago a couple weeks ago. Both interviews are now online. The Dick Eastman interview is just me and Dick talking about Clooz and is about 37 minutes. The Genealogy Guys Podcast contains my interview with Drew Smith along with a lot of other information from the Genealogy Guys. My interview is about 2/3 of the way into the podcast. Dick Eastman interview is here: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/06/podcast_clooz_2.html#more Drew Smith interview is here: http://genealogyguys.com/index.php?post_id=104357 Enjoy! Liz Kerstens

Bruce, This is a customer support issue, not an issue for the list. Please send me your .mdb file off list and I will help you with this. Liz Kerstens At 06:15 PM 6/25/2006, GenealBruce@aol.com wrote: >Aftrer installing Clooz 2, I tried to convert my previous *.mdb file. The >conversion "hangs" at "current table: tbPeopleFileLinksCensusSubst". > > I have tried this 3 times with 2 different versions of my *mdb file. At >best the first segment of the progress bar shows then nothing more.. I have >waited up to 10 minutes for something to happen. Control-Alt-Delete showa >Clooz2 "not responding". > >Any suggestions. > >Thanks, >Bruce > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Aftrer installing Clooz 2, I tried to convert my previous *.mdb file. The conversion "hangs" at "current table: tbPeopleFileLinksCensusSubst". I have tried this 3 times with 2 different versions of my *mdb file. At best the first segment of the progress bar shows then nothing more.. I have waited up to 10 minutes for something to happen. Control-Alt-Delete showa Clooz2 "not responding". Any suggestions. Thanks, Bruce

What would you call the above? Would they be fraternities? Societies? Dick Davis Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com

At 08:29 AM 6/20/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >When recording obituaries, which is the right / most common source title to >use - (1) the derived title "Obituary - Helen V. Gay", or (2) something >these? I would record the title of the obituary. >The notice is published in a paper, "Richmond Times-Dispatch", and then this >paper's obituaries are on a service www.legacy.com that scans and >records/extracts really the notices from more than 200 papers around the >nation. The Richmond Times-Dispatch is the publisher, and there's a field for that. Where you find this obituary is the repository and there's a field for that. Remember, for sources, the key is to figure out the native format of the source and enter information about that format. If you see it on microfilm, you can add that data on the second tab. If you found it on the web, you can put the website as the repository and link to it in the Digital File field. Elizabeth Mills (author of Evidence!) has a 4-page Quicksheet to help with citing online sources. It's $5.95 and I sell it on the Ancestor Detective website at www.ancestordetective.com. Evidence! was published in 1997 and doesn't cover too much Web stuff. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

At 08:25 AM 6/20/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >When an obituary/death notice is published in the paper, there are three or >more distinct dates - the date of the death, the date the notice was >published, the date that the notice (document - see Liz I'm getting there) >is discovered. Additionally in some cases, there are more dates - when the >relative told of the death and the date that the notice was entered into >Clooz. > >Which is the best date to use? You would only have two dates from the document, most likely. The date on the first form, the generic document form, should be the date of publication or the date something was recorded, because that refers to the document itself, not what's happening in that document. The death date would be recorded on the detail screen for the person. The other dates are not relevant to the document. The date the notice is entered into Clooz will be recorded by Clooz, so you don't need to worry about that one. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

When recording obituaries, which is the right / most common source title to use - (1) the derived title "Obituary - Helen V. Gay", or (2) something these? The notice is published in a paper, "Richmond Times-Dispatch", and then this paper's obituaries are on a service www.legacy.com that scans and records/extracts really the notices from more than 200 papers around the nation. So, would I record the "Richmond Times-Dispatch", or the website that I got the information from? I checked with EVIDENCE, and really did not close that book with any clarity. Just wanting to get started right, since my records are in such a "series of piles, folders, and such."

When an obituary/death notice is published in the paper, there are three or more distinct dates - the date of the death, the date the notice was published, the date that the notice (document - see Liz I'm getting there) is discovered. Additionally in some cases, there are more dates - when the relative told of the death and the date that the notice was entered into Clooz. Which is the best date to use?

I have Clooz 2.0 and the manual. (I love the way the manual lays flat!) Having said this, I have a confession.... I'm not sure if I understand the purpose of Clooz. Is it to keep track of the paperwork? Or is it to avoid extra copying, e.g., only 1 copy of a census is needed for a family instead of copying the census for each family member?? I'm not suggesting the program and/or manual isn't clear - the problem is with me. I have a quirk sometimes about comprehending the "big picture" of stuff. Thanks, dee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I haven't used Clooz for very long though I've owned it for a number of years. Just can't seem to get organized! Nonetheless, I used Brothers Keeper (which I love) so I use Clooz as a stand-alone. Don't *think* there have been any problems, but again, I am pretty much a novice with it. Mary Florida >_________________________________ >Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and >IM. All on demand. Always Free. > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:32:56 -0400 >From: "Cheryl Castellan" <ce.castellan@worldnet.att.net> >To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <001601c6932f$88b07710$db734c0c@ownern2pbi9zl5> >Subject: Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >In response to Kate's question - I use Clooz as a stand alone as a >companion to FTM. I have used FTM for about 15 yrs and have used Clooz >for about 5. I do not have any problems with this. I initially >transferred my people from FTM to Clooz several years ago and now add new >people as they come up. I add them in FTM then switch over to Clooz and >record the documents adding the new people. The initial transfer matched >the reference # in FTM to the people ID in Clooz - now I use the alternate >ID in Clooz for the ref # in FTM for new people. I also try to remember >to enter the Clooz document # in FTM as I'm doing it. > >Hope this helps >Cheryl

Hi list - I use Clooz as a stand alone with my Ancestral Quest. No problems!! I too initially transferred my people to Clooz. Terri

At 02:19 PM 6/19/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >I am new to the list as well as a new user of Clooz. I understand that the >program is a stand alone document management tool that was not intended to >actively integrate with any other genealogy program, i.e. Legacy, FTM, or >This does not however, mean I don't have a small suggestion of my own. The >one thing I have found lacking, at least I haven't found it yet, is that >there is no detailed Glossary. I think this would go a long way in helping >identify what category a particular document would fit into, i.e. the >cemetery question; is it a repository or a building, or is it a business? I >think things like this, is what has people confused. Adding a Glossary would >not require a major enhancement to the program, and would not require any >reprogramming. It could be a simple downloadable Word or PDF file from the >Clooz website. Specifically defining terminology and the various documents >with examples would be very beneficial. I'll have to think about this. Any suggestions are helpful for implementing this. >I do have one question; if a person has a significant number of new names >they want to add to Clooz, would it be possible just to generate a new >GEDCOM file and repopulate the existing Clooz database? This would certainly >save a huge chunk of time. Has anybody tried this? You cannot currently add an additional GEDCOM to an existing Clooz database. That IS on the list of enhancements that my programmer has. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Answering Kate's question: I use The Master Genealogist and have happily used Clooz with it for years, as the filing cabinet it was intended to be. I put the number I give the document into the genealogy program and can quickly find where I got the information I have there.

Dick, I'm not sure what would be involved, but I'd be interested in exchanging knowledge. I did use the Clooz 1.23 for a while and I know I didn't use it to its full capacity. Although I have been collecting a ton of documents from internet databases over the past two years, I have only entered a fraction of things to my genealogy database and nothing to Clooz2. So I would gladly participate in any discussion. What's next? Joan -----Original Message----- From: Dick Davis <dick.davis@verizon.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Clooz] Clooz - Information / Sharing I am wondering this based off the message traffic that I have been reading and seeing - would it be useful if we started a "This is how I use Clooz" on a weekly basis - thus it would be in a chat room type arrangmen and then all that are participating could see how others are using the prodcut, provide some tips & techniques that might be able to be used, and just some good ol Genealogy Knowledge exchange on a very sucessful product? - I know long sentence - a stream of thought. I know for one it would provide a benefit to me, and then we could see if we want to do this further, with mroe advanced topics as well - but I thin that being able to see how others use it, work with it and such - would definitely be benefical. My suggestion is about an hour no longer, on the internet in a common evironment - and being able to see others as they use the clooz program. This would be that we would have a host, one or more persenters based on how they use the program. Thougths? Ideas? suggestions? ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob <List@rheinlander.org> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:01:26 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM I also use Clooz as a stand alone document management companion to FTM for about the same time periods as Cheryl and basically in the same manner. I reference the Clooz Document ID in FTM and can easily find the document for reference in the file cabinet when necessary. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Castellan" <ce.castellan@worldnet.att.net> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: [Clooz] Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM > In response to Kate's question - I use Clooz as a stand alone as a > companion to FTM. I have used FTM for about 15 yrs and have used Clooz > for about 5. I do not have any problems with this. I initially > transferred my people from FTM to Clooz several years ago and now add new > people as they come up. I add them in FTM then switch over to Clooz and > record the documents adding the new people. The initial transfer matched > the reference # in FTM to the people ID in Clooz - now I use the alternate > ID in Clooz for the ref # in FTM for new people. I also try to remember > to enter the Clooz document # in FTM as I'm doing it. > > Hope this helps > Cheryl ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Here, Here! I agree that this discussion needs to be concluded off list. This arguing is beginning to look more like a nasty cat fight then a discussion on how everyone can use Clooz. I am new to the list as well as a new user of Clooz. I understand that the program is a stand alone document management tool that was not intended to actively integrate with any other genealogy program, i.e. Legacy, FTM, or TMG, etc. I am sure the ability to initially populate Clooz with all the names and other data from our genealogy programs was done for the user's convenience. We need to remember that Clooz is a way for us to manage the mounds of paper we accumulate while doing our research, and that is all that it is meant to do. From my limited use of Clooz so far I think this is a nifty little program that, if used within the confines of its intended use, will be a significant help to all. We need to remember that Clooz, from what I can tell, was not developed by some huge software house. Program development and enhancements are done in smaller increments. From what I can see Liz is doing her best to answer everyone's questions and to learn from our suggestions. I know everyone is anxious to use Clooz and their discussions are well intended, but let's be patient. Rome was not built in a day. This does not however, mean I don't have a small suggestion of my own. The one thing I have found lacking, at least I haven't found it yet, is that there is no detailed Glossary. I think this would go a long way in helping identify what category a particular document would fit into, i.e. the cemetery question; is it a repository or a building, or is it a business? I think things like this, is what has people confused. Adding a Glossary would not require a major enhancement to the program, and would not require any reprogramming. It could be a simple downloadable Word or PDF file from the Clooz website. Specifically defining terminology and the various documents with examples would be very beneficial. I do have one question; if a person has a significant number of new names they want to add to Clooz, would it be possible just to generate a new GEDCOM file and repopulate the existing Clooz database? This would certainly save a huge chunk of time. Has anybody tried this? Finally, I would rather hear what types of filing systems people are using along with Clooz for all those pieces of paper they're collecting. I am not only new to Clooz, but also relatively new to genealogy. Discussions like this would be tremendously helpful to beginners like me and to anyone else thinking of digging up their past. (pun intended) So let's get back to having fun finding out who we are and where we came from. Thanks for you patience, Don Short

Here, Here! I agree that this discussion needs to be concluded off list. This arguing is beginning to look more like a nasty cat fight then a discussion on how everyone can use Clooz. I am new to the list as well as a new user of Clooz. I understand that the program is a stand alone document management tool that was not intended to actively integrate with any other genealogy program, i.e. Legacy, FTM, or TMG, etc. I am sure the ability to initially populate Clooz with all the names and other data from our genealogy programs was done for the user's convenience. We need to remember that Clooz is a way for us to manage the mounds of paper we accumulate while doing our research, and that is all that it is meant to do. From my limited use of Clooz so far I think this is a nifty little program that, if used within the confines of its intended use, will be a significant help to all. We need to remember that Clooz, from what I can tell, was not developed by some huge software house. Program development and enhancements are done in smaller increments. From what I can see Liz is doing her best to answer everyone's questions and to learn from our suggestions. I know everyone is anxious to use Clooz and their discussions are well intended, but let's be patient. Rome was not built in a day. This does not however, mean I don't have a small suggestion of my own. The one thing I have found lacking, at least I haven't found it yet, is that there is no detailed Glossary. I think this would go a long way in helping identify what category a particular document would fit into, i.e. the cemetery question; is it a repository or a building, or is it a business? I think things like this, is what has people confused. Adding a Glossary would not require a major enhancement to the program, and would not require any reprogramming. It could be a simple downloadable Word or PDF file from the Clooz website. Specifically defining terminology and the various documents with examples would be very beneficial. I do have one question; if a person has a significant number of new names they want to add to Clooz, would it be possible just to generate a new GEDCOM file and repopulate the existing Clooz database? This would certainly save a huge chunk of time. Has anybody tried this? Finally, I would rather hear what types of filing systems people are using along with Clooz for all those pieces of paper they're collecting. I am not only new to Clooz, but also relatively new to genealogy. Discussions like this would be tremendously helpful to beginners like me and to anyone else thinking of digging up their past. (pun intended) So let's get back to having fun finding out who we are and where we came from. Thanks for you patience, Don Short

I also use Clooz as a stand alone document management companion to FTM for about the same time periods as Cheryl and basically in the same manner. I reference the Clooz Document ID in FTM and can easily find the document for reference in the file cabinet when necessary. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Castellan" <ce.castellan@worldnet.att.net> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: [Clooz] Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM > In response to Kate's question - I use Clooz as a stand alone as a > companion to FTM. I have used FTM for about 15 yrs and have used Clooz > for about 5. I do not have any problems with this. I initially > transferred my people from FTM to Clooz several years ago and now add new > people as they come up. I add them in FTM then switch over to Clooz and > record the documents adding the new people. The initial transfer matched > the reference # in FTM to the people ID in Clooz - now I use the alternate > ID in Clooz for the ref # in FTM for new people. I also try to remember > to enter the Clooz document # in FTM as I'm doing it. > > Hope this helps > Cheryl > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

so, Don - are you looking to start the glossary listing? it would be good as you are new to clooz, new to genealogy, new to the various terms - might be worth it! ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Short <dkshort@comcast.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 2:01:19 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Using Clooz as a stand alone with FTM Here, Here! I agree that this discussion needs to be concluded off list. This arguing is beginning to look more like a nasty cat fight then a discussion on how everyone can use Clooz. I am new to the list as well as a new user of Clooz. I understand that the program is a stand alone document management tool that was not intended to actively integrate with any other genealogy program, i.e. Legacy, FTM, or TMG, etc. I am sure the ability to initially populate Clooz with all the names and other data from our genealogy programs was done for the user's convenience. We need to remember that Clooz is a way for us to manage the mounds of paper we accumulate while doing our research, and that is all that it is meant to do. From my limited use of Clooz so far I think this is a nifty little program that, if used within the confines of its intended use, will be a significant help to all. We need to remember that Clooz, from what I can tell, was not developed by some huge software house. Program development and enhancements are done in smaller increments. From what I can see Liz is doing her best to answer everyone's questions and to learn from our suggestions. I know everyone is anxious to use Clooz and their discussions are well intended, but let's be patient. Rome was not built in a day. This does not however, mean I don't have a small suggestion of my own. The one thing I have found lacking, at least I haven't found it yet, is that there is no detailed Glossary. I think this would go a long way in helping identify what category a particular document would fit into, i.e. the cemetery question; is it a repository or a building, or is it a business? I think things like this, is what has people confused. Adding a Glossary would not require a major enhancement to the program, and would not require any reprogramming. It could be a simple downloadable Word or PDF file from the Clooz website. Specifically defining terminology and the various documents with examples would be very beneficial. I do have one question; if a person has a significant number of new names they want to add to Clooz, would it be possible just to generate a new GEDCOM file and repopulate the existing Clooz database? This would certainly save a huge chunk of time. Has anybody tried this? Finally, I would rather hear what types of filing systems people are using along with Clooz for all those pieces of paper they're collecting. I am not only new to Clooz, but also relatively new to genealogy. Discussions like this would be tremendously helpful to beginners like me and to anyone else thinking of digging up their past. (pun intended) So let's get back to having fun finding out who we are and where we came from. Thanks for you patience, Don Short ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

I use FTM and Clooz as a stand-alone document management system. Works fine for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: CzechDot@aol.com<mailto:CzechDot@aol.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: [Clooz] Clooz and other Windows-based genealogy programs I think the problem is that, from the outside, it looks as though Clooz and Legacy march hand in hand and are more integrated than perhaps the real case is. Certainly I've never seen any response to my queries about people using Clooz as a stand-alone document management system -- thus suggesting to my mind that Clooz users are also tied Legacy users. Are there Clooz users who use one of the other Windows-based genealogy programs? Kate, I use RootsMagic and I love it. I don't have a lot of documents entered into Clooz yet since I am trying to get my information into RootsMagic first, then copy what I can into Clooz. Dottie Nash ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429>