Your last suggestion works great for me. Jim in New York Barbara Allen wrote: >I am looking for an efficient way to enter the census data into Clooz. Here are things I have tried or have considered. I have a subscription to Ancestry, so I can get the census records online. I always print them out, but the printed copy is almost too small to read. > >I have tried typing directly from the online record to Clooz by tileing the windows and having both programs open side by side (or above and below). I can make the census record large enough on the screen to be easily readable, but there is a lot of scrolling back and forth, etc. using this method, and it is very time-consuming. > >I have considered using a magnifier on the printed copy and typing from it. This would probably require 2 bar magnifiers--one for the headings and one for the census line. > >I have also considered filling in a blank census form (on paper like I previously did from the microfilm at the library), and when I have a stack of them, opening Clooz and entering the data from the paper copy. > >What has worked for others? > >Barbara Allen >bhallen@sbcglobal.net > > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Barbara, I transcribe onto a blank census form (your last option listed) and then enter several into Clooz at once. This way I have a hard copy as well as my electronic copy and with my numbering system I can always find it in either place. Nancy ----Original Message Follows---- From: Barbara Allen <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: Barbara Allen <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clooz] Efficient way to enter Census data Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) I am looking for an efficient way to enter the census data into Clooz. Here are things I have tried or have considered. I have a subscription to Ancestry, so I can get the census records online. I always print them out, but the printed copy is almost too small to read. I have tried typing directly from the online record to Clooz by tileing the windows and having both programs open side by side (or above and below). I can make the census record large enough on the screen to be easily readable, but there is a lot of scrolling back and forth, etc. using this method, and it is very time-consuming. I have considered using a magnifier on the printed copy and typing from it. This would probably require 2 bar magnifiers--one for the headings and one for the census line. I have also considered filling in a blank census form (on paper like I previously did from the microfilm at the library), and when I have a stack of them, opening Clooz and entering the data from the paper copy. What has worked for others? Barbara Allen bhallen@sbcglobal.net ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Barbara- What I find most helpful is to use print screen when I have the area I want enlarged. With that printed, I can save and print the original while I am entering the data. I also enter all the data text style into the description area first. Then I can arrange the screen so I can see it while I enter it into Clooz. Then I copy it and paste it into my genealogy program where I can see it as I enter what I need there. jane

I am looking for an efficient way to enter the census data into Clooz. Here are things I have tried or have considered. I have a subscription to Ancestry, so I can get the census records online. I always print them out, but the printed copy is almost too small to read. I have tried typing directly from the online record to Clooz by tileing the windows and having both programs open side by side (or above and below). I can make the census record large enough on the screen to be easily readable, but there is a lot of scrolling back and forth, etc. using this method, and it is very time-consuming. I have considered using a magnifier on the printed copy and typing from it. This would probably require 2 bar magnifiers--one for the headings and one for the census line. I have also considered filling in a blank census form (on paper like I previously did from the microfilm at the library), and when I have a stack of them, opening Clooz and entering the data from the paper copy. What has worked for others? Barbara Allen bhallen@sbcglobal.net

Marilyn, someone else has reported this problem and we are looking into it. My programmer is back from vacation and has a long list of items to fix/check out and this is on the list. At 06:45 PM 7/6/2006, Marilyn Lane wrote: >I had created a number of census files for the New York State >Census. When I select a person, the file number, e.g., 1855 NY0001, >is shown for the person. However, when I go to All Censuses and >select that file number, no persons are linked to the file. > >Marilyn Lane Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

I had created a number of census files for the New York State Census. When I select a person, the file number, e.g., 1855 NY0001, is shown for the person. However, when I go to All Censuses and select that file number, no persons are linked to the file. Marilyn Lane

Nancy, can you please send me copies of your two Clooz databases (the ones with the .cdb and .fdb extensions)? You might need to send them as zip files either together or separately. Thanks! Liz Kerstens At 09:37 PM 7/3/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >I have been entering some census records that I have collected and >just ran into a problem with adding a new person. I had added some >and included an alternate ID so that the number would match my >Legacy ID #. This latest one I tried to enter gave me an error >message that the alternate ID was already in use. I took it out and >tried again to save and got the same message. I deleted the person >and did an ID search to be sure what the next available number was >and tried again. Still no luck. I again deleted the person and went >on to linking other people. Then I went back for one more try, but >this time I did not put an alternate ID in. I still got the message >that the alternate ID was in use. What am I doing wrong and how can >I enter this person? >Thank you, >Nancy > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

At 01:23 PM 6/28/2006, GenealBruce@aol.com wrote: > >In reviewing the sample database for Clooz 2, there are some "Source" >designations shown simply as "11" etc. Similarly >for "Repositories" , "27" but I >can't find any way to relate these to the physical sources or repositories >listed. What am I missing? Bruce, that's an oversight on my part. I should have caught that before including the sample. Don't worry about them. I'll correct it in the next release of Clooz. There are only two sources that are like this, but you can see the repositories linked in the other sources. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

At 01:22 PM 6/28/2006, GenealBruce@aol.com wrote: >I have received much information from elder relatives verbally. These were >not formal interviews and there are no recordings, transcripts etc. just >some essentially scrap paper notes that I made at the >time. What would be the >logical Source Type for these? "Document" could be used since I have filed >the notes as documents in my files, and then with the person listed as the >"Source Creator" and the "Source Title" could be: "Interview- 25 >July 2001" > >This method seems somewhat at odds with Liz's statement about a Source being >the "native form" of the information. > >Bruce, actually, since what you have is scrap paper notes, document >would be appropriate. That's how the paper started life, so to speak. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

I have been entering some census records that I have collected and just ran into a problem with adding a new person. I had added some and included an alternate ID so that the number would match my Legacy ID #. This latest one I tried to enter gave me an error message that the alternate ID was already in use. I took it out and tried again to save and got the same message. I deleted the person and did an ID search to be sure what the next available number was and tried again. Still no luck. I again deleted the person and went on to linking other people. Then I went back for one more try, but this time I did not put an alternate ID in. I still got the message that the alternate ID was in use. What am I doing wrong and how can I enter this person? Thank you, Nancy

Clooz uses Access to store its data. That is a very expensive program and many people don't have it, which is why I didn't mention that. Liz At 11:20 AM 7/1/2006, Al Jensen wrote: >What database format does Clooz use, (SQL, Access,??)? > >If it uses a standard database, you should be able to access the database >using the database program, sort or select by desired field(s), and edit or >delete selected records enmasse. We do it every day in databases. > >Al Jensen >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL >[mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] >Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:50 AM >To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Clooz] Too Many People > > >At 09:27 AM 6/30/2006, Mwilson wrote: > >2. When I first started using Clooz (way back) I was able to import > >all my people. Now I find that extremely cumbersome as I'm sure > >some of the people I will NEVER have documents or records for. So, > >is there any way to get rid of them (hundreds) without manually > >deleting each one? I just really want to work with mostly my direct > >lines without all the generations of collateral people. Maybe I > >should just start over & import a gedcom of the folks I want, start > >a new database and then add the others manually as I find info about > >them? If I do that, what happens to all the material I've already > >entered in this database?? Is there some way to get it into the new >database?? > >There's no easy way to cull your list of people, sorry. I'm not sure >that we can make that any easier anyway. It's a database and you need >to select each entry that you want to delete. >There's also no easy way to get stuff into a new database. There are >linkages that would need to be reestablished between people and >documents. It would be better to manually delete the people you don't >want in there. Or, just ignore them. You may find records on them some day. > >Liz > >______________________________

I am trying to print a census with clooz II. I tried double clicking on the census but the template (?) that comes up no longer has the "view option". I thought that I had printed at least one census out-the 1930 which required legal size paper. I looked in the index for printing-nothing. I looked in help and I found a section in "Clooz Reports" which has information on printing and have read the instructions. I have spent about 2 hours and am getting nowhere. I have clicked on "reports" both on the explorer bar and the menu bar. I have selected "censuses" which opened to show my choices. I selected "By Personal File" and a list of all the censues appeared on my right. I selected a census and clicked on the "Run Report" button. What appeared was not the census as it would have appeared when I selected "View Census" in the original clooz. What I got was a listing of all the censues that I have entered. What am I missing?? Georgia

I also ran in the the entry problem - if you put the cursor directly into the field you want to enter - it seems to lock up. Try starting the cursor in a previous field and tab to the field you want to enter - it should open up the field to enter data. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Too Many People > At 09:27 AM 6/30/2006, Mwilson wrote: >>I, too, learned a lot from the podcasts. Feel really stupid about two >>things (and I've looked for it in the manual but can't find it): >> >>1. Wanted to add a marriage date to one of my "people" and it won't let >>me... > > Why won't it let you? You click on People on the Explorer Bar, find the > person and double click on that person's name. Then type in the marriage > date. It's straightforward and nearly the same method as in 1.23. There > are instructions in the manual and in online help. You can search Help for > the word "edit" and you'll find that it appears on the page "Adding New > People Manually." Item 5 in the list tells you how to edit an entry. > >>2. When I first started using Clooz (way back) I was able to import all >>my people. Now I find that extremely cumbersome as I'm sure some of the >>people I will NEVER have documents or records for. So, is there any way >>to get rid of them (hundreds) without manually deleting each one? I just >>really want to work with mostly my direct lines without all the >>generations of collateral people. Maybe I should just start over & import >>a gedcom of the folks I want, start a new database and then add the others >>manually as I find info about them? If I do that, what happens to all the >>material I've already entered in this database?? Is there some way to get >>it into the new database?? > > There's no easy way to cull your list of people, sorry. I'm not sure that > we can make that any easier anyway. It's a database and you need to select > each entry that you want to delete. > There's also no easy way to get stuff into a new database. There are > linkages that would need to be reestablished between people and documents. > It would be better to manually delete the people you don't want in there. > Or, just ignore them. You may find records on them some day. > > Liz > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Dick- I don't always do it the same way. For Direct line families I put in everyone (happily!) On the in-laws I usually put in everyone. Going out farther, I write everyone into the memo area so I can explore them if something comes up. I hope this helps you. jane

At 09:27 AM 6/30/2006, Mwilson wrote: >I, too, learned a lot from the podcasts. Feel really stupid about >two things (and I've looked for it in the manual but can't find it): > >1. Wanted to add a marriage date to one of my "people" and it won't let me... Why won't it let you? You click on People on the Explorer Bar, find the person and double click on that person's name. Then type in the marriage date. It's straightforward and nearly the same method as in 1.23. There are instructions in the manual and in online help. You can search Help for the word "edit" and you'll find that it appears on the page "Adding New People Manually." Item 5 in the list tells you how to edit an entry. >2. When I first started using Clooz (way back) I was able to import >all my people. Now I find that extremely cumbersome as I'm sure >some of the people I will NEVER have documents or records for. So, >is there any way to get rid of them (hundreds) without manually >deleting each one? I just really want to work with mostly my direct >lines without all the generations of collateral people. Maybe I >should just start over & import a gedcom of the folks I want, start >a new database and then add the others manually as I find info about >them? If I do that, what happens to all the material I've already >entered in this database?? Is there some way to get it into the new database?? There's no easy way to cull your list of people, sorry. I'm not sure that we can make that any easier anyway. It's a database and you need to select each entry that you want to delete. There's also no easy way to get stuff into a new database. There are linkages that would need to be reestablished between people and documents. It would be better to manually delete the people you don't want in there. Or, just ignore them. You may find records on them some day. Liz

I, too, learned a lot from the podcasts. Feel really stupid about two things (and I've looked for it in the manual but can't find it): 1. Wanted to add a marriage date to one of my "people" and it won't let me... 2. When I first started using Clooz (way back) I was able to import all my people. Now I find that extremely cumbersome as I'm sure some of the people I will NEVER have documents or records for. So, is there any way to get rid of them (hundreds) without manually deleting each one? I just really want to work with mostly my direct lines without all the generations of collateral people. Maybe I should just start over & import a gedcom of the folks I want, start a new database and then add the others manually as I find info about them? If I do that, what happens to all the material I've already entered in this database?? Is there some way to get it into the new database?? Thanks for any help. Mary

Thanks Jane for sharing the tip about opening two Clooz windows and shirking them down ( I did it horizonally) to see two parts at once. I do that all the time in Word and Excel and hadn't thought about it in Clooz. Nice to know we have that feature to work with. It really does work great. Char _____ From: Clooz-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:Clooz-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:00 AM To: Clooz-D@rootsweb.com Subject: Clooz-D Digest V06 #57

Nancy, there isn't a report to help you like you ask. I'll have to put it on the ever-growing wish list. Liz At 11:06 PM 6/29/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >Thank you Liz and Jane. As usual, I had jumped right in to looking >around and adding a few things to Clooz before reading the manual. I >was so anxious to get started! Anyway, now that I have read the >section on sources, especially about census sources, I want to try >to clean up my source list. Is there anyway to tell, or a report >that gives what documents, etc are associated with each source? I >want to make sure that I do this correctly so that I don't have a >bigger mess than I already do! >Thanks again for your help, Liz and for all the work you have put >into this great program. >Nancy > >P.S. I listened to your podcast interviews and enjoyed them very much. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> >To: "Nancy Bender" <nbenderrn@hotmail.com>,Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Clooz] Census >Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 > >At 10:00 PM 6/28/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>If I am remembering correctly, I seem to recall that in the >>previous version of Clooz, on some of the census forms there were >>spaces for the film (or roll) number and for 2 page numbers (for >>the ones that had written and printed page numbers). I don't find >>that in 2.0? Is that because with census images on-line now, the >>film numbers are not really needed? I still put them in the comment >>section "just in case" but I was curious about why it was removed. > >Nancy, someone already answered that some of this information goes >on the source page. The page number goes on the detail screen for >each person, which is where it was in earlier versions of Clooz. All >of these changes are described in detail in online help and in the manual. > >Liz > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

I am curious as to how others are listing people that are not related from an obituary - such as the preacher, friends that are listed, community associations, etc - there is one obituary that I am working what that is like a biography on the relative. I am torn whether to take the more complete approach or to just like those that are related to the decease. If I work the document approach right, then I would be listing all people that are named in the obituary as well as their respective role as stated in the obituary - mother, father, sisters, brothers, friends, neighbors.. Any thoughts?

Thank you Liz and Jane. As usual, I had jumped right in to looking around and adding a few things to Clooz before reading the manual. I was so anxious to get started! Anyway, now that I have read the section on sources, especially about census sources, I want to try to clean up my source list. Is there anyway to tell, or a report that gives what documents, etc are associated with each source? I want to make sure that I do this correctly so that I don't have a bigger mess than I already do! Thanks again for your help, Liz and for all the work you have put into this great program. Nancy P.S. I listened to your podcast interviews and enjoyed them very much. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: "Nancy Bender" <nbenderrn@hotmail.com>,Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] Census Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 At 10:00 PM 6/28/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >If I am remembering correctly, I seem to recall that in the previous >version of Clooz, on some of the census forms there were spaces for the >film (or roll) number and for 2 page numbers (for the ones that had written >and printed page numbers). I don't find that in 2.0? Is that because with >census images on-line now, the film numbers are not really needed? I still >put them in the comment section "just in case" but I was curious about why >it was removed. Nancy, someone already answered that some of this information goes on the source page. The page number goes on the detail screen for each person, which is where it was in earlier versions of Clooz. All of these changes are described in detail in online help and in the manual. Liz