I must really be having a total senior moment at 46 - but can you give some examples from your experience? -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:45 PM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] Funeral/Burial Records - Documents How about burial records from a church or cemetery? At 12:50 PM 7/12/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >Just checking to see if i am good with my thinking. > >Documents that would be considered part of the funeral/burial are >the obituary, the hard bound memory book of the deceased, the >electronic memory book that is done by some funeral homes, and the >funderal program (don't know what this is really called) as all >these are assocaited with the funeral. I am sure that has I travel >my ancestors and relatives, that i will uncover more documents that >are associated with the funeral. > >So, what doucument would be associated with the burial? > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

At some of the cemeteries here you can go and do a print out for the person. It will have date of burial and location of the grave. At others you go and they give you a little card that has the grave info. Does that answer your question AR > > > I must really be having a total senior moment at 46 - but can > you give some examples from your experience? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL > [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:45 PM > To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Clooz] Funeral/Burial Records - Documents > > How about burial records from a church or cemetery? > > At 12:50 PM 7/12/2006, Dick Davis wrote: > >Just checking to see if i am good with my thinking. > > > >Documents that would be considered part of the funeral/burial are > >the obituary, the hard bound memory book of the deceased, the > >electronic memory book that is done by some funeral homes, and the > >funderal program (don't know what this is really called) as all > >these are assocaited with the funeral. I am sure that has I travel > >my ancestors and relatives, that i will uncover more documents that > >are associated with the funeral. > > > >So, what doucument would be associated with the burial? > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your > family and the > >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Digital Genealogist, > http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS > NewsMagazine > and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your > ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006

It's not a change. It has been that way for a long time, if you choose to reply to all. If you just choose to reply, it goes to the individual. At 01:24 PM 7/12/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >Has anyone else noticed that when you send a message to the group >that when replying to a message to the group, it has the senders >name and the group name - thus, the receiver could get two messages >- one from the group listing, and one from the responder? > >Was there any rational with this change or a reason why? > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Dick Davis <dick.davis@verizon.net> >To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:50:26 PM >Subject: [Clooz] Funeral/Burial Records - Documents > > >Just checking to see if i am good with my thinking. > >Documents that would be considered part of the funeral/burial are >the obituary, the hard bound memory book of the deceased, the >electronic memory book that is done by some funeral homes, and the >funderal program (don't know what this is really called) as all >these are assocaited with the funeral. I am sure that has I travel >my ancestors and relatives, that i will uncover more documents that >are associated with the funeral. > >So, what doucument would be associated with the burial? > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

How about burial records from a church or cemetery? At 12:50 PM 7/12/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >Just checking to see if i am good with my thinking. > >Documents that would be considered part of the funeral/burial are >the obituary, the hard bound memory book of the deceased, the >electronic memory book that is done by some funeral homes, and the >funderal program (don't know what this is really called) as all >these are assocaited with the funeral. I am sure that has I travel >my ancestors and relatives, that i will uncover more documents that >are associated with the funeral. > >So, what doucument would be associated with the burial? > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

I download clooz 2.0 and can not get past the front page because of a error. How do you fix this? And is it true you have to have access point software to make it run? Thank You Lisa Masters Genealogist in Training since 1997

At 10:24 AM -0700 7/12/06, Dick Davis wrote: >Has anyone else noticed that when you send a message to the group >that when replying to a message to the group, it has the senders >name and the group name - thus, the receiver could get two messages >- one from the group listing, and one from the responder? > >Was there any rational with this change or a reason why? That would depend partly on your mail client software and its settings. When I did a plain "reply" to your message, Eudora wanted to send it only to you; when I did a "reply to all" to your message, Eudora added both you and the list to the "To:" line. (I manually removed you, so you should not get two copies.) Mark Williamson

That is exactly what I have been doing - but I remember that it was not like that several months ago - so just wondering what has chagned on the list side or if there was some unknown update to Outlook 2003 - that I do not remember about the email. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark R. Williamson <markwmsn@markwmsn.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:16:13 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Rootsweb - Change - Email At 10:24 AM -0700 7/12/06, Dick Davis wrote: >Has anyone else noticed that when you send a message to the group >that when replying to a message to the group, it has the senders >name and the group name - thus, the receiver could get two messages >- one from the group listing, and one from the responder? > >Was there any rational with this change or a reason why? That would depend partly on your mail client software and its settings. When I did a plain "reply" to your message, Eudora wanted to send it only to you; when I did a "reply to all" to your message, Eudora added both you and the list to the "To:" line. (I manually removed you, so you should not get two copies.) Mark Williamson ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Has anyone else noticed that when you send a message to the group that when replying to a message to the group, it has the senders name and the group name - thus, the receiver could get two messages - one from the group listing, and one from the responder? Was there any rational with this change or a reason why? ----- Original Message ---- From: Dick Davis <dick.davis@verizon.net> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:50:26 PM Subject: [Clooz] Funeral/Burial Records - Documents Just checking to see if i am good with my thinking. Documents that would be considered part of the funeral/burial are the obituary, the hard bound memory book of the deceased, the electronic memory book that is done by some funeral homes, and the funderal program (don't know what this is really called) as all these are assocaited with the funeral. I am sure that has I travel my ancestors and relatives, that i will uncover more documents that are associated with the funeral. So, what doucument would be associated with the burial? ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Just checking to see if i am good with my thinking. Documents that would be considered part of the funeral/burial are the obituary, the hard bound memory book of the deceased, the electronic memory book that is done by some funeral homes, and the funderal program (don't know what this is really called) as all these are assocaited with the funeral. I am sure that has I travel my ancestors and relatives, that i will uncover more documents that are associated with the funeral. So, what doucument would be associated with the burial?

I thought that I was on the right track as this was a document (I call it a program) for the funeral. It listed his wife, his children and their spouses, his grandchild along with their spouses, and the great grandchild and their spouses. In total about 25 people were listed (identified) along with the two ministers that performed the service. Honestly, I don't know what prompted the question if I was doing it right, but thought that I was. While waiting on some responses here - I recorded all the people that were listed in the document. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:40 AM To: Dick.Davis@verizon.net; Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] Funeral / Burial Record - Question Family Members At 11:34 PM 7/11/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >When entering a funeral / Burial record, should not the family be entered as >they were named in the document (Celebration of Life) that was used for the >funeral? If that document is what you're recording, then yes. But if you're recording a funeral or burial record for an individual, the family members might not be listed. One document at a time, please. :-) Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

At 11:34 PM 7/11/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >When entering a funeral / Burial record, should not the family be entered as >they were named in the document (Celebration of Life) that was used for the >funeral? If that document is what you're recording, then yes. But if you're recording a funeral or burial record for an individual, the family members might not be listed. One document at a time, please. :-) Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

When entering a funeral / Burial record, should not the family be entered as they were named in the document (Celebration of Life) that was used for the funeral? Dick Davis Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com

Dick, you can't link people to businesses. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Remember, Clooz is document based. You link people to documents, you link businesses to documents. You don't link people to businesses. If someone works for a business, you'd have a document that you would link both the people and the business to. That's how Clooz is set up. Liz At 12:20 PM 7/8/2006, Dick Davis wrote: >I have defined a record in the Business/Organization (Mount Zion Baptist >Church and Cemetery) and then link a number of people to this business on >the people forms, should not the Business/Organization show all the links to >the people? > >Right now, I have done this and when I go the business/organization, there >is nothing that is linked - which I expected to see the people that have >been linked to the business/organization. When I click show business, I see >that the person is linked to the Business/organization. > >Is it me? Or is this something that needs to be corrected in a future >release? I am using Clooz 2.0.14 release. > > > > > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I have defined a record in the Business/Organization (Mount Zion Baptist Church and Cemetery) and then link a number of people to this business on the people forms, should not the Business/Organization show all the links to the people? Right now, I have done this and when I go the business/organization, there is nothing that is linked - which I expected to see the people that have been linked to the business/organization. When I click show business, I see that the person is linked to the Business/organization. Is it me? Or is this something that needs to be corrected in a future release? I am using Clooz 2.0.14 release.

Does anyone know if there is a reason why on some grave stones the husband is listed on the left and the wife on the right, while on others the wife is listed on the left and then the husband on the right? I don't see that this is in the order of death as in some cases, the husband has died first and in others the wife has died before the husband. This is nothing more than a curious observation. I tried to make some inference if it was a period of time, but that doesn't hold true either. Or is this just a simple point - it is how the stone was ordered at the time by the family member making the order; or was it just the way that the funeral home ordered the stone- I know from my experiences, the funeral home doesn't always as who is on the left and who is on the right.

After reading the suggestions for two computers/two monitors, I plan to try this using my laptop and desktop. Why did I never think of this before? Deane Dierksen

Jim & Barbara, I also use two monitors, but only one computer. If you are using Windows XP, you can change the monitor setting to handle both monitors on one computer. I am able to open several programs and use the internet, ex. at Ancestry.com. When I want to save a census report, I print out the whole census sheet, then I enlarge that image that I want to be able to read easier (names, age, etc.) and print out, using "current view" and print that on the back side of my sheet where I printed the whole census. Most of the info that I want is on the left side of the census, but then if I want the other info, I just use a magnifier if I can't read the image, but usually I am able to read that information. The good and bad of using two monitors is that after using two monitors, it is hard to go back to using a single monitor...lol. I hope this helps, Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Smith<mailto:jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: [Clooz] Efficient way to enter Census data... Barbara: I've tried each one of these iterations... and then decided as I was replacing an older to PC to use two PCs with two monitors... but with one a/b switch with one keyboard and one mouse. The monitors are beside each other and it allows for a better working area... in my opinion... This process always works well when I'm transcribing from any other type of document/image. Jim Jim Smith Tampa jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com<mailto:jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com> ------------------- Subject: Efficient way to enter Census data From: Barbara Allen <bhallen@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bhallen@sbcglobal.net>> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> I am looking for an efficient way to enter the census data into Clooz. Here are things I have tried or have considered. I have a subscription to Ancestry, so I can get the census records online. I always print them out, but the printed copy is almost too small to read. I have tried typing directly from the online record to Clooz by tileing the windows and having both programs open side by side (or above and below). I can make the census record large enough on the screen to be easily readable, but there is a lot of scrolling back and forth, etc. using this method, and it is very time-consuming. I have considered using a magnifier on the printed copy and typing from it. This would probably require 2 bar magnifiers--one for the headings and one for the census line. I have also considered filling in a blank census form (on paper like I previously did from the microfilm at the library), and when I have a stack of them, opening Clooz and entering the data from the paper copy. What has worked for others? Barbara Allen bhallen@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bhallen@sbcglobal.net> ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx>

I use two monitors on 1 computer with two Windows 98 computers. At 08:47 AM 07/08/2006, you wrote: >I also use two monitors, but only one computer. If you are using >Windows XP, you can change the monitor setting to handle both >monitors on one computer. Joe Bissett, PIGGOTT/CUMMISKEY List Administrator/Rootsweb I use America's Book CDs in my genealogical research to access otherwise unavailable primary source material. http://www.abcd-usa.com/ I support the Godfrey Memorial Library. http://www.godfrey.org/

This is a way I found out a way to "Print and Save" a Census Record. ( I wrote this for myself, but it might help someone.) To Make JPG from Census 1. Open Location on the web of the Census form <http://www.heritagequestonline.com/prod/genealogy/index> 2. Search Census 3. Find Name at Surname listing 4. After finding the name of the person you want, go to the “Print Box” on the web page at the top. 5. A second window will open, and will give instructions for print in Acrobat form. 6. “Highlight” person’s name and Census information, and hit “COPY (Ctrl+C)” 7. Open image program. Find Text box tool, and hit “PASTE” (Ctrl+V). 8. Click onto “Census Image” on Heritage Quest, and hit “COPY (Ctrl+C)” 9. Click onto image program, and hit “PASTE” (Ctrl+V). You might need to move the image so it won’t block the information at the top. With the number 6 you will have a "Label" for the Surname listing. I use a free program called "Paint Dot Net." Hope this works for you.

Barbara: I've tried each one of these iterations... and then decided as I was replacing an older to PC to use two PCs with two monitors... but with one a/b switch with one keyboard and one mouse. The monitors are beside each other and it allows for a better working area... in my opinion... This process always works well when I'm transcribing from any other type of document/image. Jim Jim Smith Tampa jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com ------------------- Subject: Efficient way to enter Census data From: Barbara Allen <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com I am looking for an efficient way to enter the census data into Clooz. Here are things I have tried or have considered. I have a subscription to Ancestry, so I can get the census records online. I always print them out, but the printed copy is almost too small to read. I have tried typing directly from the online record to Clooz by tileing the windows and having both programs open side by side (or above and below). I can make the census record large enough on the screen to be easily readable, but there is a lot of scrolling back and forth, etc. using this method, and it is very time-consuming. I have considered using a magnifier on the printed copy and typing from it. This would probably require 2 bar magnifiers--one for the headings and one for the census line. I have also considered filling in a blank census form (on paper like I previously did from the microfilm at the library), and when I have a stack of them, opening Clooz and entering the data from the paper copy. What has worked for others? Barbara Allen bhallen@sbcglobal.net