Bruce, I also thought that creating a source for every photo would be such a redundant task. After a couple of days of deep thought I came up with a more logical approach. I have in my possession certain inherited collections, such as one that my uncle has gifted me, one inherited from my mother and another inherited from my in-laws. I've decided to make my sources based on the name of the person, followed by the word collection. Using this method, will allow me to link the photos to the person/people that so graciously gifted them to me. Most libraries follow this same procedure by naming a photo collection after the individual that donated them. For photos from my own personal collection I've decided to make the film roll number the source. Then I can link the prints, negatives and photo Cd's to the original film number. Pretty much the same as any archival place would do. I hope that these suggestions will benefit you in creating some kind of source. In using this methodology, you will also be leaving behind a little history for your descendants. Fawn A Clooz user, not a document loser. --- GenealBruce@aol.com wrote: > I am sending this to the list rather than only to > Liz, as others may have an > interest in these and/or have comments and advice to > guide me. > <snip> > > In the case of photos, I don't think I see a > need for a "Source" at all. If I have an original > photo print in my collection, which I have given a Personal File #, it is it's own source, I would >think. > It might be somewhat useful to know from whom I > obtained the print, or in > the case of scanned or digitally rephotographed > copies, who the "repository" > is, but this hardly seems to require a separate > "Source" screen. > > Thanks for any comments, > Bruce

How would you classify periodicals such as the "New England Historical and Genealogical Register" where 3 month's worth of material is bound in one book. I have one source broken into 2 Issues of the N.E.H. & G. R.

At 07:29 PM 7/19/2006, GenealBruce@aol.com wrote: >I am sending this to the list rather than only to Liz, as others may have an >interest in these and/or have comments and advice to guide me. > >On the Source "Microfilm/CD Information" screens: > 1. What is the purpose of the "Source Label" blank? How is this >intended to be different from the "Source Title"? On a CD, such as a Broderbund CD, the Label of the actual CD could be one thing, but the CD could contain digital images of several books. Therefore, the source label blank. > 2.In the "unpublished section" The Call # field is restricted to 10 >characters even though the field space is larger. ( Character limits on many >other fields in Clooz are similarly limited) Can this be increased? I was >trying to enter "FHL# 0886312 & -3" i.e 2 reels covering the same >subject, from >FHL, and was limited. I'd also suggest that if there were a space for the >"Filmer" or some such designation so as to separate this from the film # >itself, it would be helpful A film #. by itself is somewhat >meaningless unless I >know it is a FHL No. or a film from some other organization.. We have increased the size of this field and several others in Clooz 2.1, which we're working on. >Which brings out another question: I'm not quite sure why the NARA census >films are considered as "published" and the FHL films are not. Because NARA films are considered, by NARA, a publication. Each series of microfilm is a publication. Many of the FHL films are films of manuscript collections that are unpublished. This designation is discussed in Elizabeth Mills' book Evidence. >In importing my Clooz 1.23 data a number of "sources" were assigned to >various items, most notably Photos.and Censuses. As it says in the >Manual, these >will require some attention. In the case of photos, I don't think I see a >need for a "Source" at all. If I have an original photo print in my >collection, which I have given a Personal File #, it is it's own >source, I would think. > It might be somewhat useful to know from whom I obtained the print, or in >the case of scanned or digitally rephotographed copies, who the "repository" >is, but this hardly seems to require a separate "Source" screen. Then don't use the source if it doesn't work for you with Photos. However, if you're trying to document your collection completely, each item in it came from somewhere and that is the purpose of the source forms. I have many photos in my collection that I own. I have an equal amount that came from others, either digitally or copies. It is proper to cite where those photos came from. I even like to know that the source is owned by me. There's also a location field on the source form so you can tell yourself where it is located in your collection. I tried to make data entry for all the Clooz templates the same. It was not in 1.23 and that was not good database design, and it was not good for source documentation. So now data entry is standardized. But just as before, if you don't like something in the program, just don't use it. I suspect that there are many people that will never use some of the unique country census templates, as I never will. But the point is that you have the tools to record your documents properly. My programmer and I are working hard to fix all of the glitches that have been reported for Clooz 2. We are also still trying to help several people use the program to begin with, as it is not opening on their computers. Once we get the glitches resolved, we'll start working on adding the remaining reports. So, we're still a ways from releasing the CD. Just as with the initial release of Clooz 2, I need to ask for your patience with getting Clooz 2.1 out. I have one programmer and he's working as much as I can afford to pay him. Thanks for your support of Clooz! Liz Kerstens www.clooz.com

Jim, the functionality you're asking for is not currently in Clooz, sorry. Liz At 10:38 PM 7/18/2006, Jim Smith wrote: >Greetings: > >Hopefully someone could help me... or at least tell me that I have >to wait until the next generation... (My apologies, no pun intended...) > >I created a new Clooz 2.0 database using my Clooz 1.23 people >data. I am using Legacy 6.0... I attempted to import a Gedcom of >the current Legacy 6.0 data to the new Clooz 2.0 in the hopes that I >could import all and any new additional people data... I was able to >import the new data but it appears I also duplicated the already >resident people in my database... In other words, I had a duplicate >of each of my original people records... > >I looked through the new user manual and I do not see a instructions >to assist me with the action of incorporating new and additional >data from Legacy to Clooz... Does any have any suggestion? Am I >missing or overlooking something? Or do I have to input each new >and additional person "manually"? Or is this functionality not >available at this time? > >Thanks for any assistance and/or directions... > >Jim > >Jim Smith >Tampa, FL >jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

I am sending this to the list rather than only to Liz, as others may have an interest in these and/or have comments and advice to guide me. On the Source "Microfilm/CD Information" screens: 1. What is the purpose of the "Source Label" blank? How is this intended to be different from the "Source Title"? 2.In the "unpublished section" The Call # field is restricted to 10 characters even though the field space is larger. ( Character limits on many other fields in Clooz are similarly limited) Can this be increased? I was trying to enter "FHL# 0886312 & -3" i.e 2 reels covering the same subject, from FHL, and was limited. I'd also suggest that if there were a space for the "Filmer" or some such designation so as to separate this from the film # itself, it would be helpful A film #. by itself is somewhat meaningless unless I know it is a FHL No. or a film from some other organization.. Which brings out another question: I'm not quite sure why the NARA census films are considered as "published" and the FHL films are not. In importing my Clooz 1.23 data a number of "sources" were assigned to various items, most notably Photos.and Censuses. As it says in the Manual, these will require some attention. In the case of photos, I don't think I see a need for a "Source" at all. If I have an original photo print in my collection, which I have given a Personal File #, it is it's own source, I would think. It might be somewhat useful to know from whom I obtained the print, or in the case of scanned or digitally rephotographed copies, who the "repository" is, but this hardly seems to require a separate "Source" screen. Thanks for any comments, Bruce

Greetings: Hopefully someone could help me... or at least tell me that I have to wait until the next generation... (My apologies, no pun intended...) I created a new Clooz 2.0 database using my Clooz 1.23 people data. I am using Legacy 6.0... I attempted to import a Gedcom of the current Legacy 6.0 data to the new Clooz 2.0 in the hopes that I could import all and any new additional people data... I was able to import the new data but it appears I also duplicated the already resident people in my database... In other words, I had a duplicate of each of my original people records... I looked through the new user manual and I do not see a instructions to assist me with the action of incorporating new and additional data from Legacy to Clooz... Does any have any suggestion? Am I missing or overlooking something? Or do I have to input each new and additional person "manually"? Or is this functionality not available at this time? Thanks for any assistance and/or directions... Jim Jim Smith Tampa, FL jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com

I downloaded on a computer that uses Microsoft Office products and it's working Lisa Masters Genealogist in Training since 1997

I just received a copy of a couple of my ancestors' Wills from a family member. I was planning to enter them in Clooz and I discovered that there isn't a template specific to Wills. Is the generic document the best choice, then? Thank you, Nancy

Nancy- Yes, I think it is. As long as you use your numbering system, you will know where to find it and who was mentioned in it from looking at the generic document listing. If there is more you think you might want to see at intervals, mention it in the information box. jane

Liz: Thanks for the note... I have no problem waiting... Appreciate the response... Jim Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > Jim, we're working on errors in reports. Please wait to print the ones > you're having trouble with until we release Clooz 2.1. I don't have a > release date yet, but we are working on it.

Jim, we're working on errors in reports. Please wait to print the ones you're having trouble with until we release Clooz 2.1. I don't have a release date yet, but we are working on it. At 04:38 PM 7/16/2006, Jim Smith wrote: >Greetings... > >I would be hoping that there is someone who could help me. I have >started inputing Census data into the Census forms in Clooz 2.0. I >was able to enter information with no issues into USA 1930, 1860, and 1870. > >A problem occurred when I ran reporting, at this time, only at the >1870 census. (The 1860 and 1930 reports ran without >problems...) The issue is that an 1870 Census report will not run >and I keep getting the following /Crystal Report Windows Forms >Viewer.../ as follow: > >/A month number must be between 1 and 12. >Details: errorKind >Error in File >c:\DOCUME~1\JIMSMI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\{707BFCF4-A3CD-4D26-AA93-D3E75EEB96CF].rpt: >Error in formula <Married>. >'If sinull({qryReportCensusUS1790.MonthMarriedID}) then >' >A month number must be between 1 an 12. >Details:errorKind/ > >The reporting process I follow is - Reports - Censuses - Censuses by >country - USA - Populations - 1870 - Run report... > >I am linking to three individuals. (I also used the same three >individuals and linked them to an USA 1860 input form and have been >able to run a subsequent report, without any issue...) I have >deleted all entries and attempted the same process a few times. I >have checked each input point that may include a "month" name for >input. (There is no entry at the "Month, if married within year" >input...) I have also closed the program and re-opened a few times... > >Any assistance would be appreciated... Also if there is any user out >there who can correct any error that I may be doing, please feel >free to go ahead and correct... > >Thanks, > >Jim >Jim Smith >Tampa, FL >jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Greetings... I would be hoping that there is someone who could help me. I have started inputing Census data into the Census forms in Clooz 2.0. I was able to enter information with no issues into USA 1930, 1860, and 1870. A problem occurred when I ran reporting, at this time, only at the 1870 census. (The 1860 and 1930 reports ran without problems...) The issue is that an 1870 Census report will not run and I keep getting the following /Crystal Report Windows Forms Viewer.../ as follow: /A month number must be between 1 and 12. Details: errorKind Error in File c:\DOCUME~1\JIMSMI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\{707BFCF4-A3CD-4D26-AA93-D3E75EEB96CF].rpt: Error in formula <Married>. 'If sinull({qryReportCensusUS1790.MonthMarriedID}) then ' A month number must be between 1 an 12. Details:errorKind/ The reporting process I follow is - Reports - Censuses - Censuses by country - USA - Populations - 1870 - Run report... I am linking to three individuals. (I also used the same three individuals and linked them to an USA 1860 input form and have been able to run a subsequent report, without any issue...) I have deleted all entries and attempted the same process a few times. I have checked each input point that may include a "month" name for input. (There is no entry at the "Month, if married within year" input...) I have also closed the program and re-opened a few times... Any assistance would be appreciated... Also if there is any user out there who can correct any error that I may be doing, please feel free to go ahead and correct... Thanks, Jim Jim Smith Tampa, FL jsmith58@tampabay.rr.com

I'm getting the following error message when I try to open Clooz 2. Source: OleDbCommand.ExecuteCommandTextErrorHandling Description: Record(s) cannot be read; no read permission on 'tblSystem' When I click on 'OK' the program stops responding and I have to close it through the task manager. I've tried to open it several times with the same result. I have four database files, I've checked the file properties on each one and everything appears to be OK. None of them are showing "read only". I've never had any problems with the program before now. Doug

I used the trial version of Clooz 2.0 and may well purchase it. I'm a Legacy user and I found that if I had both Clooz and Legacy open I couldn't make any changes to Legacy. Is this normal? Personally I found it to be a drawback. While it was nice to be able to import data to Clooz from Legacy, if I do purchase it I may well just use it as a stand-alone, replacing my documents file that I have on Excel. Thanks Kathy Wallace Ottawa, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

At 05:05 PM 7/14/2006, Maurice French wrote: >Hi All > >I have a problem with the new version in the column screen and individual >screens for the UK Census > >i.e. the Township column refuses to show entries I have entered in an >individual census Township field. This is a bug and I will report it to my programmer. Thanks for letting me know. I was able to reproduce the problem on my computer. >All the other columns are no problem, City, County Country etc. > >There is also a problem with the 255 imported records from my database from >the earlier version. The reverse situation appears to have occurred > >i.e. the Township shows in the column view but not on the individual census >record as originally entered. I'll also notify him of this, however, unless you want to reimport from 1.23, the way to fix it (I know you have 255 of them!) is to go in to each one and add the township. I just tried it and it works and saves the township. I only have 5 UK censuses, but they also didn't import the township. So, we'll fix it for future imports from 1.23, but it's too late to fix it for databases already imported. You're going to have to do it manually, unfortunately. I would recommend that you open 1.23 and 2.0 side by side so you can quickly see the township you need to add (or just pay attention when you open each record in 2.0, since it's in the column on the grid. >I have now entered a further 120 census records in the new version with this >problem occurring each time. > >Has anyone else noticed this or should I try downloading again? With the new entries, this is just a coding problem that the programmer should be able to fix and you'll be able to see the entries when we release the next version. Downloading again will not help. >Maurice Keith French >8 Admiral Crescent >Flagstaff Hamilton 3210 >New Zealand Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

At 11:34 AM 7/15/2006, EAllynM@aol.com wrote: >I understand that Clooz is licensed to a single user rather than a single >computer. How do you keep your databases on your desktop and laptop >synchronized? Can you just copy the entire Clooz folder from one >computer to another? Emily, if you mean the whole Clooz 2.0 folder where the program is stored, don't do that. You should put your data in a separate folder and then you could copy just that folder. Synchronizing is one of the reasons that the last updated line was added to each template. If you can't remember which one is most current, try to remember what you added last and go in and look at the date on the template and you should be able to tell easily. You can also look at the file date in Windows Explorer, but that can be dangerous because just opening a Clooz database changes that date. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Georgia, I forwarded this for you. The e-mails go to clooz-l@rootsweb.com, not clooz-l-request@rootsweb.com. >To: Clooz-L-request@rootsweb.com >Old-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:45:59 -0400 >Subject: Clooz II-Censuses & Sources >X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 >From: Georgia Clark <georgiapat@juno.com> > >I have several questions/remarks. > >What is the 1885 US Federal Population Census under US Censuses? Is this >one to be used for State Censuses (not Federal)? There was an 1885 federal census done of several states that, I think, were territories in 1880. They include Colorado and some others. You can find out about them on the National Archives website at www.archives.gov. >I like the layout of the censuses but what happened to the remarks that I >had in "Description". It does not show when I use the option to print a >census but it is still there when I look at the template (the box where I >can add people to the census). Good point. I don't think we accounted for that. I'll have to relook that one. >Also, in Clooz I, the remarks that I had added to individuals generally >took up one line. Now the remarks take up to 8 lines. Is there anyway >to change this? I'll look again, but I'm not changing the design of the whole report, and there was very little room left for remarks. The point was to make the reports mimic as close as possible the original censuses, which don't have a space for remarks generally. >In Clooz II, under Sources, the censuses have a number after them. Why? >Is it numbered as I used a particular census? This is discussed in the manual under converting from 1.23. We had to create census sources for you, but we numbered them arbitrarily. You need to go in and edit the source titles. There were no source titles for censuses in 1.23. >I am listening to Liz' talk with Dick Eastman talking about sources. Is >it possible that I need to go in and clean up my sources or did Clooz II >figure out what was a document, what was a book, etc.? I wasn't really >good about what I put in sources originally. Again, this is discussed in the manual and in help in Clooz under converting from 1.23. Please read that. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

I understand that Clooz is licensed to a single user rather than a single computer. How do you keep your databases on your desktop and laptop synchronized? Can you just copy the entire Clooz folder from one computer to another? Emily

Hi All I have a problem with the new version in the column screen and individual screens for the UK Census i.e. the Township column refuses to show entries I have entered in an individual census Township field. All the other columns are no problem, City, County Country etc. There is also a problem with the 255 imported records from my database from the earlier version. The reverse situation appears to have occurred i.e. the Township shows in the column view but not on the individual census record as originally entered. I have now entered a further 120 census records in the new version with this problem occurring each time. Has anyone else noticed this or should I try downloading again? Regards Maurice Keith French 8 Admiral Crescent Flagstaff Hamilton 3210 New Zealand

Lisa, you do not require Microsoft Access to use Clooz. I'm not sure why you think that. Access has not been required for using the program since about 1998. I'm getting e-mails, but haven't gotten any from you. If you're having trouble, you need to contact me directly. I don't hide from anyone. Liz Kerstens At 09:55 PM 7/14/2006, John Garner wrote: >It works fine for me and I do not have Access. Liz puts out a fine >product - I had used the original version of Clooz and its update for years. > >John Garner > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Masters" <lisamasters@sbcglobal.net> >To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:43 PM >Subject: [Clooz] Support > > >>Support is only for registers users, >>I had to download this program 3 times before I found something >>that mentions you need Access to make it work, >> >>I already learned from other programs that buying before using is a >>big mistake. >> >>She should not have this program up till the errors are out of it. >> >>I have also learned I'm not the only with errors on getting pass >>the first page. >> >> >> >> >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org