After getting the operating system and the various customizations back - yes all is back and operating now - I am wondering if I download the version of Clooz from the website, install it - will it have the most recent fix that was put out? I have all my data backed up and restored - so no data loss - just wondering about the re-installation of the program.

Thanks Liz! I am glad I have the correct understanding. You are correct I was not able to connect the business to the death record. That was my original question, which you answered the other day. Keep up the great work. Tim -----Original Message----- From: liz@ancestordetective.com To: clooz@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Connecting Businesses to Documents At 10:00 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >As I understand it from reading your published user maunel a source >is where a record originates and a record is the information your >interested in within the source. One type of source is a document >which is defined as an original paper relied on as the basis, proof >or support of something. > >I have a Holy Card from a funeral service. That holy card is an >unpublished document given to mourners. Therefore the source is the >holy card itself. The repository is "me" as i am in possession of >the original and funeral homes do not keep the cards in their >records. I also do not believe that they are official business >documents of the funeral home. Also many of the funeral homes are >no longer in existence and their records are destroyed. As a holy >card attests to date of death of an individual as well as to the >funeral home or business that was in charge of the funeral I >recorded it as a death record and then connect both the deceased >person and the business to that record. Tim, this is correct. But how did you link a business to the death record? Clooz isn't set up to do that. > >From your response below I am led to believe that the actual > source is not the holy card itself but the funeral home or > business. Therefore for letters and other unpublished documents > the source would not be the letter or unpublished document itself > but the author of the letter or unpublished document who may or may > not be known. If that is the case I am really misreading the user > manuel I bought. Can you show me where I have gone wrong. "If the burial records are from a cemetery, then the cemetery would be the source and would not need to be linked." If this is what you're referring to, I was too casual in my remark and I apologize. The cemetery is not the source, it is the creator of the source. The source is the particular cemetery records that you're interested in. For example, the Schrader Funeral Home in Plymouth, where I live, creates records when it buries people. So, the source would be the volume name of the book that the record I'm interested came from. The funeral home itself created the record, so it would be the "author." The repository would be wherever the records are kept. A holy card is not a business record of a funeral home, as you stated. You have it right for the holy card. Unpublished documents are sources, not the author of the document. >Moving to a different topic. >I have a business that was owned by my faimily. In this case a >funeral home. i have set the funeral home up as a business. As you >say the purpose of Clooz is to link people or business to >documents. I want to connect that business to every document that >references the funeral home. The funeral home is referenced in >death certificates, cemetery records, newspaper clippings, and holy cards. > >Why would I want to have all of these documents which mention the >funeral home connected to the business and therefore in one >place? For me genealogy is about more than names and dates. It is >also about understanding family dynamics and their lives. If i can >open the business screen for the funeral home and see all of the >people who have contracted with them to do funerals and I see >certain family members missing I am going to ask why. It also helps >me to understand how the business developed over time by how many >funerals it was contracted to service. It also shows which >neighbors, godparents, inlaws and others supported the home. In my >case I also had two cousins who each owned a different funeral home >and were in competition. Seeing who used which funeral home helps >me to understand their competition. While i know this information >is not about names and dates of genealogy, it is important for me in >order to understand the relationships of the different members of! > the family. > >For what it is worth, that is my reasoing for wanting to connect a >business to a death or funeral record. OK, I see that I'm going to have to rethink the business aspect. As you know, businesses are new in Clooz 2, so this is the kind of input I need in order to know how people are using the business links. I have had a special version of Clooz 1.23 for several years that I use at the museum I work at. Businesses have been in it for a while. But, I was just linking them to buildings and generic documents. So, dialog is needed from users so I know how to shape future releases of Clooz. I'm glad to know that adding the businesses is valuable to users. This feature will not be added in version 2.1 because we are mired down in completing the approximately 130+ reports that will be available in that version. So far, we have about 90 of them done, so we still have some work to do. I am shooting now for a late October release of version 2.1, which will also be the CD release for those of you who are waiting for a CD. FYI, version 2.1 will have all the current bugs fixed, including those who can't print 1870 or 1880 US census reports, and others that have been reported. But the most significant additions (aside from the reports) are the ability to print a specific report right from that report's form (like you could do in 1.23), and the ability to link multiple people at the same time instead of opening the link screen for each person (like you could do in 1.23). I think you all will be happy with this addition because there is a check box next to each person's name and you just check each person to link. It's working really well. Also on that same link screen, you'll be able to pull a column header into the area above to group on a column, such as surname, and then sort by given name, so finding people on the link screen is much easier. I, of course, have the in-progress version of 2.1 on my computer and have been entering documents into Clooz (in preparation for my annual trip to Ireland in early October) and have found the improvements in this version much more user-friendly! So, the bottom line is, thanks to everyone who takes the time to make suggestions. That's how we keep making Clooz better. Sometimes the changes aren't quick, but that's because I'm still a one-person show trying to pay for all the programming on a limited budget. But I listen to everyone. So, keep those ideas coming, please! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

At 10:00 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >As I understand it from reading your published user maunel a source >is where a record originates and a record is the information your >interested in within the source. One type of source is a document >which is defined as an original paper relied on as the basis, proof >or support of something. > >I have a Holy Card from a funeral service. That holy card is an >unpublished document given to mourners. Therefore the source is the >holy card itself. The repository is "me" as i am in possession of >the original and funeral homes do not keep the cards in their >records. I also do not believe that they are official business >documents of the funeral home. Also many of the funeral homes are >no longer in existence and their records are destroyed. As a holy >card attests to date of death of an individual as well as to the >funeral home or business that was in charge of the funeral I >recorded it as a death record and then connect both the deceased >person and the business to that record. Tim, this is correct. But how did you link a business to the death record? Clooz isn't set up to do that. > >From your response below I am led to believe that the actual > source is not the holy card itself but the funeral home or > business. Therefore for letters and other unpublished documents > the source would not be the letter or unpublished document itself > but the author of the letter or unpublished document who may or may > not be known. If that is the case I am really misreading the user > manuel I bought. Can you show me where I have gone wrong. "If the burial records are from a cemetery, then the cemetery would be the source and would not need to be linked." If this is what you're referring to, I was too casual in my remark and I apologize. The cemetery is not the source, it is the creator of the source. The source is the particular cemetery records that you're interested in. For example, the Schrader Funeral Home in Plymouth, where I live, creates records when it buries people. So, the source would be the volume name of the book that the record I'm interested came from. The funeral home itself created the record, so it would be the "author." The repository would be wherever the records are kept. A holy card is not a business record of a funeral home, as you stated. You have it right for the holy card. Unpublished documents are sources, not the author of the document. >Moving to a different topic. >I have a business that was owned by my faimily. In this case a >funeral home. i have set the funeral home up as a business. As you >say the purpose of Clooz is to link people or business to >documents. I want to connect that business to every document that >references the funeral home. The funeral home is referenced in >death certificates, cemetery records, newspaper clippings, and holy cards. > >Why would I want to have all of these documents which mention the >funeral home connected to the business and therefore in one >place? For me genealogy is about more than names and dates. It is >also about understanding family dynamics and their lives. If i can >open the business screen for the funeral home and see all of the >people who have contracted with them to do funerals and I see >certain family members missing I am going to ask why. It also helps >me to understand how the business developed over time by how many >funerals it was contracted to service. It also shows which >neighbors, godparents, inlaws and others supported the home. In my >case I also had two cousins who each owned a different funeral home >and were in competition. Seeing who used which funeral home helps >me to understand their competition. While i know this information >is not about names and dates of genealogy, it is important for me in >order to understand the relationships of the different members of! > the family. > >For what it is worth, that is my reasoing for wanting to connect a >business to a death or funeral record. OK, I see that I'm going to have to rethink the business aspect. As you know, businesses are new in Clooz 2, so this is the kind of input I need in order to know how people are using the business links. I have had a special version of Clooz 1.23 for several years that I use at the museum I work at. Businesses have been in it for a while. But, I was just linking them to buildings and generic documents. So, dialog is needed from users so I know how to shape future releases of Clooz. I'm glad to know that adding the businesses is valuable to users. This feature will not be added in version 2.1 because we are mired down in completing the approximately 130+ reports that will be available in that version. So far, we have about 90 of them done, so we still have some work to do. I am shooting now for a late October release of version 2.1, which will also be the CD release for those of you who are waiting for a CD. FYI, version 2.1 will have all the current bugs fixed, including those who can't print 1870 or 1880 US census reports, and others that have been reported. But the most significant additions (aside from the reports) are the ability to print a specific report right from that report's form (like you could do in 1.23), and the ability to link multiple people at the same time instead of opening the link screen for each person (like you could do in 1.23). I think you all will be happy with this addition because there is a check box next to each person's name and you just check each person to link. It's working really well. Also on that same link screen, you'll be able to pull a column header into the area above to group on a column, such as surname, and then sort by given name, so finding people on the link screen is much easier. I, of course, have the in-progress version of 2.1 on my computer and have been entering documents into Clooz (in preparation for my annual trip to Ireland in early October) and have found the improvements in this version much more user-friendly! So, the bottom line is, thanks to everyone who takes the time to make suggestions. That's how we keep making Clooz better. Sometimes the changes aren't quick, but that's because I'm still a one-person show trying to pay for all the programming on a limited budget. But I listen to everyone. So, keep those ideas coming, please! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Liz, I am really confused now. As I understand it from reading your published user maunel a source is where a record originates and a record is the information your interested in within the source. One type of source is a document which is defined as an original paper relied on as the basis, proof or support of something. I have a Holy Card from a funeral service. That holy card is an unpublished document given to mourners. Therefore the source is the holy card itself. The repository is "me" as i am in possession of the original and funeral homes do not keep the cards in their records. I also do not believe that they are official business documents of the funeral home. Also many of the funeral homes are no longer in existence and their records are destroyed. As a holy card attests to date of death of an individual as well as to the funeral home or business that was in charge of the funeral I recorded it as a death record and then connect both the deceased person and the business to that record. >From your response below I am led to believe that the actual source is not the holy card itself but the funeral home or business. Therefore for letters and other unpublished documents the source would not be the letter or unpublished document itself but the author of the letter or unpublished document who may or may not be known. If that is the case I am really misreading the user manuel I bought. Can you show me where I have gone wrong. Moving to a different topic. I have a business that was owned by my faimily. In this case a funeral home. i have set the funeral home up as a business. As you say the purpose of Clooz is to link people or business to documents. I want to connect that business to every document that references the funeral home. The funeral home is referenced in death certificates, cemetery records, newspaper clippings, and holy cards. Why would I want to have all of these documents which mention the funeral home connected to the business and therefore in one place? For me genealogy is about more than names and dates. It is also about understanding family dynamics and their lives. If i can open the business screen for the funeral home and see all of the people who have contracted with them to do funerals and I see certain family members missing I am going to ask why. It also helps me to understand how the business developed over time by how many funerals it was contracted to service. It also shows which neighbors, godparents, inlaws and others supported the home. In my case I also had two cousins who each owned a different funeral home and were in competition. Seeing who used which funeral home helps me to understand their competition. While i know this information is not about names and dates of genealogy, it is important for me in order to understand the relationships of the different members of! the family. For what it is worth, that is my reasoing for wanting to connect a business to a death or funeral record. I have used the program for several years now and have found it very helpful. I have made discoveries that I missed when only seeing various documents in isolation. I just hope that I have not misunderstood sources and filed everything wrong. I look forward to being enlightened Tim -----Original Message----- From: liz@ancestordetective.com To: clooz@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Connecting Businesses to Documents The purpose of Clooz, though, is to link people or businesses to documents that they are found in. If there are business records for the funeral home, you can enter them and link the funeral home as a business. You can do that now. I'm not sure why you need to link a business to a death record, because it's recording a death of a person. There are places in the detail form to record the funeral home for both the burial and the death records. If the burial records are from a cemetery, then the cemetery would be the source and would not need to be linked. I'm still not convinced there needs to be businesses linked to burial and death records. At 04:47 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >Linking businesses to death and burial templates sounds like a good idea. I >know of at least 2 funeral homes owned by members of my family tree. > >Terri >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> >To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:34 AM >Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Connecting Businesses to Documents > > > > The death and burial templates are not set up to have businesses > > linked to them, frankly because I hadn't thought there would be a > > need. I'll have to think about that. > > > > At 02:27 PM 8/26/2006, tlindenfel@aol.com wrote: > >> I have a set of death/Holy Cards from funeral homes. I recorded > >> the information as either death or burial documents depending on > >> the information the card provided. I then set up each Funeral Home > >> as a business and tried to connect people to them. One particular > >> funeral home was owned by the family and I want to keep track of > >> who used them. In reading the list archives I see that is not > >> possible. According to previous messages I came to realize that I > >> have to connect the business to the death or burial document. I am > >> having trouble figuring out how? Any ideas? > >> > >>Tim > >> > >>________________________________________________________________________ > >>Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > >>email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > > Ancestor Detective, LLC > > http://www.ancestordetective.com > > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

The purpose of Clooz, though, is to link people or businesses to documents that they are found in. If there are business records for the funeral home, you can enter them and link the funeral home as a business. You can do that now. I'm not sure why you need to link a business to a death record, because it's recording a death of a person. There are places in the detail form to record the funeral home for both the burial and the death records. If the burial records are from a cemetery, then the cemetery would be the source and would not need to be linked. I'm still not convinced there needs to be businesses linked to burial and death records. At 04:47 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >Linking businesses to death and burial templates sounds like a good idea. I >know of at least 2 funeral homes owned by members of my family tree. > >Terri >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> >To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:34 AM >Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Connecting Businesses to Documents > > > > The death and burial templates are not set up to have businesses > > linked to them, frankly because I hadn't thought there would be a > > need. I'll have to think about that. > > > > At 02:27 PM 8/26/2006, tlindenfel@aol.com wrote: > >> I have a set of death/Holy Cards from funeral homes. I recorded > >> the information as either death or burial documents depending on > >> the information the card provided. I then set up each Funeral Home > >> as a business and tried to connect people to them. One particular > >> funeral home was owned by the family and I want to keep track of > >> who used them. In reading the list archives I see that is not > >> possible. According to previous messages I came to realize that I > >> have to connect the business to the death or burial document. I am > >> having trouble figuring out how? Any ideas? > >> > >>Tim > >> > >>________________________________________________________________________ > >>Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > >>email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > > Ancestor Detective, LLC > > http://www.ancestordetective.com > > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Linking businesses to death and burial templates sounds like a good idea. I know of at least 2 funeral homes owned by members of my family tree. Terri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Connecting Businesses to Documents > The death and burial templates are not set up to have businesses > linked to them, frankly because I hadn't thought there would be a > need. I'll have to think about that. > > At 02:27 PM 8/26/2006, tlindenfel@aol.com wrote: >> I have a set of death/Holy Cards from funeral homes. I recorded >> the information as either death or burial documents depending on >> the information the card provided. I then set up each Funeral Home >> as a business and tried to connect people to them. One particular >> funeral home was owned by the family and I want to keep track of >> who used them. In reading the list archives I see that is not >> possible. According to previous messages I came to realize that I >> have to connect the business to the death or burial document. I am >> having trouble figuring out how? Any ideas? >> >>Tim >> >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, >>email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The death and burial templates are not set up to have businesses linked to them, frankly because I hadn't thought there would be a need. I'll have to think about that. At 02:27 PM 8/26/2006, tlindenfel@aol.com wrote: > I have a set of death/Holy Cards from funeral homes. I recorded > the information as either death or burial documents depending on > the information the card provided. I then set up each Funeral Home > as a business and tried to connect people to them. One particular > funeral home was owned by the family and I want to keep track of > who used them. In reading the list archives I see that is not > possible. According to previous messages I came to realize that I > have to connect the business to the death or burial document. I am > having trouble figuring out how? Any ideas? > >Tim > >________________________________________________________________________ >Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, >email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

I have a set of death/Holy Cards from funeral homes. I recorded the information as either death or burial documents depending on the information the card provided. I then set up each Funeral Home as a business and tried to connect people to them. One particular funeral home was owned by the family and I want to keep track of who used them. In reading the list archives I see that is not possible. According to previous messages I came to realize that I have to connect the business to the death or burial document. I am having trouble figuring out how? Any ideas? Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

At 08:24 PM 8/2/2006, GenealBruce@aol.com wrote: >I think I have seen some discussion on adding people to Clooz 2 before, but >in trying to research the Archives, I got bogged down in the back and forth >between Elizabeth and Margaret. > >My specific question is > >Will we be able to ADD a Gedcom containing several people, i.e. a collateral >line, to an existing Clooz2 database in Clooz 2.1? Either a Gedcom or a >Legacy database could work for me, just so i could merge it into >the people list >I have already created in Clooz 2 for my major lines. > >Thanks, >Bruce Bruce we've had so many bugs and operational issues to fix, in addition to adding the rest of the reports, that that will have to wait for another release. Sorry. I'll put it on the list for the next release. Liz Kerstens

I think I have seen some discussion on adding people to Clooz 2 before, but in trying to research the Archives, I got bogged down in the back and forth between Elizabeth and Margaret. My specific question is Will we be able to ADD a Gedcom containing several people, i.e. a collateral line, to an existing Clooz2 database in Clooz 2.1? Either a Gedcom or a Legacy database could work for me, just so i could merge it into the people list I have already created in Clooz 2 for my major lines. Thanks, Bruce

Thanks for the update Liz. I will be looking forward to the 2.1 release whenever it is ready. Personally, I have several family functions in the next 2 months so I won't have much Clooz data entry time. Hopefully all will be ready once I am able to get back to it in October. Thanks again. Nancy From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clooz] modOpenDatabase error and no exit button problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:47:27 -0400 For those experiencing either the modOpenDatabase error or the screens in Clooz 2.0 being too large for the display, you can now fix the problem by going to www.clooz.com/kbsa.htm#modOpenDatabase and following the directions there. The solution is resolved for both issues in the download available there. You will need to put in your serial number again when you start Clooz up after replacing clooz.exe and the config file. The instructions are all there. It took a long time to resolve the modOpenDatabase issue and I apologize for the delay to those that were experiencing it. It was only through the patient efforts of several Clooz users, allowing remote access to their computers, that we were able to find the problem and fix it. We are working diligently on Clooz 2.1, adding reports every day and fixing the bugs encountered so far. My goal is to have Clooz 2.1 out in September, including all the missing reports. That will be a CD version that will be sent to all who rate the CD (paid for the shipping or those who ordered before the initial release date of Clooz 2.0). For those who have ordered downloads, there will be another download put on the Clooz website at that time. I will keep you posted. We have fixed a number of the nagging problems or inconveniences that users have complained about, including having to open the link button each time you want to link someone, instead of it staying open; the ability to print a report right from the form; as well as adding the missing reports (which we're still doing--there's a lot of them). The US census reports that require legal paper have been spread out over two letter-size pages instead, so you don't need to buy legal size paper. Hopefully when we get this version out, everyone will not have bugs keeping them from organizing their materials! Liz Kerstens ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

For those experiencing either the modOpenDatabase error or the screens in Clooz 2.0 being too large for the display, you can now fix the problem by going to www.clooz.com/kbsa.htm#modOpenDatabase and following the directions there. The solution is resolved for both issues in the download available there. You will need to put in your serial number again when you start Clooz up after replacing clooz.exe and the config file. The instructions are all there. It took a long time to resolve the modOpenDatabase issue and I apologize for the delay to those that were experiencing it. It was only through the patient efforts of several Clooz users, allowing remote access to their computers, that we were able to find the problem and fix it. We are working diligently on Clooz 2.1, adding reports every day and fixing the bugs encountered so far. My goal is to have Clooz 2.1 out in September, including all the missing reports. That will be a CD version that will be sent to all who rate the CD (paid for the shipping or those who ordered before the initial release date of Clooz 2.0). For those who have ordered downloads, there will be another download put on the Clooz website at that time. I will keep you posted. We have fixed a number of the nagging problems or inconveniences that users have complained about, including having to open the link button each time you want to link someone, instead of it staying open; the ability to print a report right from the form; as well as adding the missing reports (which we're still doing--there's a lot of them). The US census reports that require legal paper have been spread out over two letter-size pages instead, so you don't need to buy legal size paper. Hopefully when we get this version out, everyone will not have bugs keeping them from organizing their materials! Liz Kerstens

Hello Everyone, I have two very simple questions. Where should you save your multiple Clooz 2 database files on your computer ? C: etc. Does it matter where it is saved? Also: When you are saving land records, what is the best way to do that? So that you have the legal land descriptions on the printed reports. Thank You, Debbie Freeman

-----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:18 PM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Digital Genealogist Many of you know that I have been the editor of Ancestry's Genealogical Computing for the past nearly seven years. Ancestry has chosen to discontinue the magazine, effective with the July/August/September 2006 issue that is currently in the mail. I still believe there's a need for a magazine devoted to genealogy and technology. To that end, I am starting my own magazine later this year. It will be called Digital Genealogist and will be delivered to subscribers as a PDF. It will be similar in format and content to Genealogical Computing. In fact, a lot of the authors and columnists will continue to write for me in the new publication, including Drew Smith, popular Cybrarian columnist. The first issue of Digital Genealogist will be send out via PDF attachment to subscribers in November 2006. If you are interested in subscribing, the annual rate is $20. You can subscribe at www.digitalgenealogist.com. Payments are being taken through PayPal by clicking on the PayPal button on the Digital Genealogist website. Subscriptions will begin with the first issue. One of the advantages to subscribers of a PDF is that the URLs in both articles and ads will be live links, allowing you to immediately explore ideas suggested by authors and websites of advertisers. I am hoping that the format will be agreeable to subscribers. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL Editor, Digital Genealogist

Many of you know that I have been the editor of Ancestry's Genealogical Computing for the past nearly seven years. Ancestry has chosen to discontinue the magazine, effective with the July/August/September 2006 issue that is currently in the mail. I still believe there's a need for a magazine devoted to genealogy and technology. To that end, I am starting my own magazine later this year. It will be called Digital Genealogist and will be delivered to subscribers as a PDF. It will be similar in format and content to Genealogical Computing. In fact, a lot of the authors and columnists will continue to write for me in the new publication, including Drew Smith, popular Cybrarian columnist. The first issue of Digital Genealogist will be send out via PDF attachment to subscribers in November 2006. If you are interested in subscribing, the annual rate is $20. You can subscribe at www.digitalgenealogist.com. Payments are being taken through PayPal by clicking on the PayPal button on the Digital Genealogist website. Subscriptions will begin with the first issue. One of the advantages to subscribers of a PDF is that the URLs in both articles and ads will be live links, allowing you to immediately explore ideas suggested by authors and websites of advertisers. I am hoping that the format will be agreeable to subscribers. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL Editor, Digital Genealogist

In a message dated 7/25/2006 2:00:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, _ima_quilter@ameritech.net _ (mailto:ima_quilter@ameritech.net ) writes Subject: Re: [Clooz] Misc Clooz 2.0 questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Fawn. I'll take your good suggestion to use the donor name for the source on photos. For photos from my own personal collection I've decided to make the film roll number the source. Then I can link the prints, negatives and photo Cd's to the original film number. Pretty much the same as any archival place would do. I use the film roll and frame no. in naming the digital image of negatives, slides are identified by the album, page and position on the page i.e. the "pocket' they are in; and the dates and a serial number for scans and digital photos i.e 060725S001 (scan) 060725P001 (digital photo), so the negatives, the prints, digital files and the Personal File No are all the same for any specific image. For "hard-copy" photos from others they are simply identified sequentially PH0001 etc.and the digital files the same but with the extension, i.e. .jpg or .tif I hope that these suggestions will benefit you in creating some kind of source. In using this methodology, you will also be leaving behind a little history for your descendants. Fawn A Clooz user, not a document loser.

I don't quite do it as simply as Liz advocates. Sometimes I wish I had. I list the censuses by year for another program so do the same here, i.e., VT 1900. Everything else starts with a 2 letter designate for each of the four grandparent lines, and then straight numbering. Sometimes I add two letters to the end of the census number when several lines converge, but not routinely. And, it makes no difference to me if a birth and and obit are side by side, as long as I can find them when I want them. I would like an index so I could find things easier when the computer malfunctions! Otherwise, I think you will find the simpler you make it the easier it will be on all counts. Jane

At 10:51 AM 7/24/2006, Rollin wrote: >How would you classify periodicals such as the "New England >Historical and Genealogical Register" where 3 month's worth of >material is bound in one book. I have one source broken into 2 >Issues of the N.E.H. & G. R. What do you mean how would you classify it? In version 2, you would select Journal for the source type. If the source is in more than one issue, you'll have to make it two sources because it is. Part is in one journal and part is in another journal. To make it just one source would be deceptive to any descendants who try to find it (making sources easy to find should be one of our goals in even using Clooz). If you're asking which template to use, it really depends on what the article is about. If it's transcriptions of death records, you could use the death record template. If it's baptisms, you should use the generic document template, etc. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Vicki I don't have one main database. I keep them separate, by nationality Polish, Italian, Lithuanian and Jewish, those being the 4 direct lines from my husband and myself (grandparents) Now if you take on binder say Polish I have the docs put together all births (baptisms), Marriages, Census ect. I do name them birth001, or Marriage001 so Iknow where to look in the binder. If you just put them in order of entering 001-might be a birth, 002 a marriage, I suppose you would have to know and add the file, or binder where that record is stored. But if that works for you then do the easiest. Arleen > > > Hi All, > > > > I was just looking back at a message from Joe Bissett in Nov > 05 discussing Personal File Numbers simply being consecutive > numbers without category identifiers. Example: 00001 vs. > Birth001. Is anyone out there using this simplest of > methods? I'm thinking about going for it and can't reason > why it may be detrimental in any way. I really, really > dislike categories. Just thinking about it makes me > procrastinate, trying to get the "best" system!! > > > > Thanks, Vicki > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your > ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/396 - Release Date: 7/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/396 - Release Date: 7/24/2006

Hi All, I was just looking back at a message from Joe Bissett in Nov 05 discussing Personal File Numbers simply being consecutive numbers without category identifiers. Example: 00001 vs. Birth001. Is anyone out there using this simplest of methods? I'm thinking about going for it and can't reason why it may be detrimental in any way. I really, really dislike categories. Just thinking about it makes me procrastinate, trying to get the "best" system!! Thanks, Vicki