Liz Kerstens Nice artlicle in the NGS quarterly. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:29 AM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Mike, Clooz 2.1 is nearly ready. I've been in Ireland the past 10 days, so I've been out of the loop with my programmer, but I have the version to test. I'm hoping that we'll be mailing out the CDs in early November, but that depends on how the testing goes and how long it takes to make the CDs. We're nearly there! There are almost 200 reports in Clooz 2.1 and I'm anxious to use them myself! It has been a long road and I appreciate everyone's patience as we get the reports in and get functionality fixed that wasn't working properly. At 08:58 AM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >Hi Liz, > >Thanks for the information. I'll give that a try, and it will make >things much easier for me. > >By the way, is there any word at this time as to when the updated >version of the software with full reporting functionality will be available? > >Thanks >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:02 AM >To: clooz@rootsweb.com; clooz@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > >At 10:01 PM 10/12/2006, Mike Daugherty wrote: > >I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census >record. > >If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz > >records, which both reference the same source but have unique > >personal file numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That > >way I don't have to worry about the fact that things like enumeration > >dates can be different from page to page, and I don't get bitten by > >the fact that line numbers on the 2nd page can be smaller than the > >line numbers on the first page and things like that. > > > >Mike Daugherty > >Mike, this precaution is not necessary. Each census report prints pages >separately, with the date enumerated printed next to the page number, >so the date is unique for each page number on the report. > >Liz Kerstens Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 06:02 PM 10/6/2006, pph929@ntelos.net wrote: >I am new to Clooz. I just recently added my two main Legacy databases and >told Clooz I wanted to use Clooz and Legacy together. > >After adding one or more new individuals to the Legacy database, how do I >get that info into Clooz without re-entering the data? > >Pat If you instead add the people to Clooz, they will show up in Legacy. It doesn't work the other way around. Liz Kerstens

Hi Liz, Thanks for the information. I'll give that a try, and it will make things much easier for me. By the way, is there any word at this time as to when the updated version of the software with full reporting functionality will be available? Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:02 AM To: clooz@rootsweb.com; clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses At 10:01 PM 10/12/2006, Mike Daugherty wrote: >I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census record. >If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz >records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file >numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to >worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different >from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on >the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and >things like that. > >Mike Daugherty Mike, this precaution is not necessary. Each census report prints pages separately, with the date enumerated printed next to the page number, so the date is unique for each page number on the report. Liz Kerstens ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 10:01 PM 10/12/2006, Mike Daugherty wrote: >I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census record. >If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz >records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file >numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to >worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different >from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on >the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and >things like that. > >Mike Daugherty Mike, this precaution is not necessary. Each census report prints pages separately, with the date enumerated printed next to the page number, so the date is unique for each page number on the report. Liz Kerstens

Dear Annette, I put one family under one file number. I find it easier for me to do it this way since I print out the clooz form, attach it to the census copy and file it by year and family surname. I have in the past put several families from the same census page or pages under one number but I like just one family now. I do generally make a note that other relatives are on the same census page or that they live nearby. Georgia > > A question that I have, I have 6 direct line families in one County > in the > 1850 Census. Different Townships or Districts for enumeration. Do > you use > one 1850 Census form for one state/ county and put all 6 families > under that > one census template? Use one 1850 Census for all States/counties > ????? My > file system I have the 1850 Census broken up into different families > per > townships/districts. So I am wrestling with how to do it. Probably > a > simple answer. Or a new way of looking at it. Appreciate any > feedback or > thoughts on this. > > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, > Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, > HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, > DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > >

Another question or suggestion. Before I used Clooz 2.0 I created an Access Database for all my file folders, CD's and Books for genealogy. I am still using the database, these are Resources that I would like to add to Clooz 2.0 database. A feature to add .xls files to Clooz would be great for this, and also add a gedcom file to an existing data without loosing all the work that you have done or the original file. I know it is a lot of programing and maybe in the future. Just a suggestion.... Some of them are already in my RootsMagic software but not all, as it is my Research Log electronically. I have searching capabilities in the database. Right now I am doing triple entry, Clooz for certification purposes, Database for Research log, and RootsMagic for my genealogy information, including resources etc..... Thank goodness I am retired so I have time to do this. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Daugherty Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:30 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses You are quite welcome, Annette. I have been really enjoying hanging out on both the Clooz and TMG lists. There are so many people here with so much accumulated knowledge and so many good ideas. I'm a relative newcomer to the genealogy arena, and every day on these lists I get a chance to talk to people who have already forgotten more about this subject than I will probably ever know. Happy genealogying... Mike -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of annettedt Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:26 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Thanks Mike. Some food for thought. I had started doing mine that way, using KY21 for one family, KY21a for a second family in the same county. Then I re read the instructions and got a little confiused. Thanks again for your imput. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Daugherty Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:02 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi Annette I don't know if this will be any help, as I am a relatively new Clooz user, but the system I am using for Federal Census is a carryover from my system that I use for census tags in The Master Genealogist. I use the combination of the census series and roll number as a source. So my source title for the 1870 St. Mary's County Maryland census would be: 1870 Census - Maryland - St. Mary's Co. - M593-594 And since all of St. Mary's County is recorded on that one census roll in that year, all of my census records for St. Mary's for 1870 fall under that source. Then, in the Clooz 1870 census form I enter the whole series, roll and page number for the census record as the personal file number. Something like: M593-594-520-A That's a fussy way to do it, but using that I (or anyone else) can go straight to that census record at HeritageQuest or Ancestry or wherever. I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census record. If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and things like that. Mike Daugherty -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of annettedt Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi I see where you would use the State as a Generic. I guess I would also use the Title. MN State Census end in a 5 and only go for about 6 times. They don't fit in my line, so never thought about that. Good point/question.. A question that I have, I have 6 direct line families in one County in the 1850 Census. Different Townships or Districts for enumeration. Do you use one 1850 Census form for one state/ county and put all 6 families under that one census template? Use one 1850 Census for all States/counties ????? My file system I have the 1850 Census broken up into different families per townships/districts. So I am wrestling with how to do it. Probably a simple answer. Or a new way of looking at it. Appreciate any feedback or thoughts on this. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Georgia P Clark Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:36 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Dear Annette, Thanks for the response. I, too, put the year in my file number but in the original version of clooz, there was a place for the year. I use the generic for the state censuses which, for my states, are years that end in either a "5" or a "4" so the 1850 census would not be useful since I would probably be constantly checking to see if I had typed in the wrong year. Georgia On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:52 -0500 "annettedt" <annettedt@charter.net> writes: > I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my file > cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 > Campbell Co Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. > > My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz Source Title in Clooz is > 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky > > Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up before > I got Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. > I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, > then it shows in all the lists. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Georgia P Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > > > I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place > for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > household? > Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > Georgia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are quite welcome, Annette. I have been really enjoying hanging out on both the Clooz and TMG lists. There are so many people here with so much accumulated knowledge and so many good ideas. I'm a relative newcomer to the genealogy arena, and every day on these lists I get a chance to talk to people who have already forgotten more about this subject than I will probably ever know. Happy genealogying... Mike -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of annettedt Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:26 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Thanks Mike. Some food for thought. I had started doing mine that way, using KY21 for one family, KY21a for a second family in the same county. Then I re read the instructions and got a little confiused. Thanks again for your imput. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Daugherty Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:02 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi Annette I don't know if this will be any help, as I am a relatively new Clooz user, but the system I am using for Federal Census is a carryover from my system that I use for census tags in The Master Genealogist. I use the combination of the census series and roll number as a source. So my source title for the 1870 St. Mary's County Maryland census would be: 1870 Census - Maryland - St. Mary's Co. - M593-594 And since all of St. Mary's County is recorded on that one census roll in that year, all of my census records for St. Mary's for 1870 fall under that source. Then, in the Clooz 1870 census form I enter the whole series, roll and page number for the census record as the personal file number. Something like: M593-594-520-A That's a fussy way to do it, but using that I (or anyone else) can go straight to that census record at HeritageQuest or Ancestry or wherever. I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census record. If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and things like that. Mike Daugherty -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of annettedt Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi I see where you would use the State as a Generic. I guess I would also use the Title. MN State Census end in a 5 and only go for about 6 times. They don't fit in my line, so never thought about that. Good point/question.. A question that I have, I have 6 direct line families in one County in the 1850 Census. Different Townships or Districts for enumeration. Do you use one 1850 Census form for one state/ county and put all 6 families under that one census template? Use one 1850 Census for all States/counties ????? My file system I have the 1850 Census broken up into different families per townships/districts. So I am wrestling with how to do it. Probably a simple answer. Or a new way of looking at it. Appreciate any feedback or thoughts on this. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Georgia P Clark Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:36 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Dear Annette, Thanks for the response. I, too, put the year in my file number but in the original version of clooz, there was a place for the year. I use the generic for the state censuses which, for my states, are years that end in either a "5" or a "4" so the 1850 census would not be useful since I would probably be constantly checking to see if I had typed in the wrong year. Georgia On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:52 -0500 "annettedt" <annettedt@charter.net> writes: > I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my file > cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 > Campbell Co Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. > > My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz Source Title in Clooz is > 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky > > Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up before > I got Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. > I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, > then it shows in all the lists. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Georgia P Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > > > I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place > for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > household? > Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > Georgia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Annette I don't know if this will be any help, as I am a relatively new Clooz user, but the system I am using for Federal Census is a carryover from my system that I use for census tags in The Master Genealogist. I use the combination of the census series and roll number as a source. So my source title for the 1870 St. Mary's County Maryland census would be: 1870 Census - Maryland - St. Mary's Co. - M593-594 And since all of St. Mary's County is recorded on that one census roll in that year, all of my census records for St. Mary's for 1870 fall under that source. Then, in the Clooz 1870 census form I enter the whole series, roll and page number for the census record as the personal file number. Something like: M593-594-520-A That's a fussy way to do it, but using that I (or anyone else) can go straight to that census record at HeritageQuest or Ancestry or wherever. I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census record. If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and things like that. Mike Daugherty -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of annettedt Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi I see where you would use the State as a Generic. I guess I would also use the Title. MN State Census end in a 5 and only go for about 6 times. They don't fit in my line, so never thought about that. Good point/question.. A question that I have, I have 6 direct line families in one County in the 1850 Census. Different Townships or Districts for enumeration. Do you use one 1850 Census form for one state/ county and put all 6 families under that one census template? Use one 1850 Census for all States/counties ????? My file system I have the 1850 Census broken up into different families per townships/districts. So I am wrestling with how to do it. Probably a simple answer. Or a new way of looking at it. Appreciate any feedback or thoughts on this. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Georgia P Clark Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:36 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Dear Annette, Thanks for the response. I, too, put the year in my file number but in the original version of clooz, there was a place for the year. I use the generic for the state censuses which, for my states, are years that end in either a "5" or a "4" so the 1850 census would not be useful since I would probably be constantly checking to see if I had typed in the wrong year. Georgia On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:52 -0500 "annettedt" <annettedt@charter.net> writes: > I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my file > cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 > Campbell Co Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. > > My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz Source Title in Clooz is > 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky > > Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up before > I got Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. > I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, > then it shows in all the lists. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Georgia P Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > > > I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place > for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > household? > Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > Georgia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mike. Some food for thought. I had started doing mine that way, using KY21 for one family, KY21a for a second family in the same county. Then I re read the instructions and got a little confiused. Thanks again for your imput. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Daugherty Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:02 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi Annette I don't know if this will be any help, as I am a relatively new Clooz user, but the system I am using for Federal Census is a carryover from my system that I use for census tags in The Master Genealogist. I use the combination of the census series and roll number as a source. So my source title for the 1870 St. Mary's County Maryland census would be: 1870 Census - Maryland - St. Mary's Co. - M593-594 And since all of St. Mary's County is recorded on that one census roll in that year, all of my census records for St. Mary's for 1870 fall under that source. Then, in the Clooz 1870 census form I enter the whole series, roll and page number for the census record as the personal file number. Something like: M593-594-520-A That's a fussy way to do it, but using that I (or anyone else) can go straight to that census record at HeritageQuest or Ancestry or wherever. I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census record. If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and things like that. Mike Daugherty -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of annettedt Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Hi I see where you would use the State as a Generic. I guess I would also use the Title. MN State Census end in a 5 and only go for about 6 times. They don't fit in my line, so never thought about that. Good point/question.. A question that I have, I have 6 direct line families in one County in the 1850 Census. Different Townships or Districts for enumeration. Do you use one 1850 Census form for one state/ county and put all 6 families under that one census template? Use one 1850 Census for all States/counties ????? My file system I have the 1850 Census broken up into different families per townships/districts. So I am wrestling with how to do it. Probably a simple answer. Or a new way of looking at it. Appreciate any feedback or thoughts on this. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Georgia P Clark Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:36 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Dear Annette, Thanks for the response. I, too, put the year in my file number but in the original version of clooz, there was a place for the year. I use the generic for the state censuses which, for my states, are years that end in either a "5" or a "4" so the 1850 census would not be useful since I would probably be constantly checking to see if I had typed in the wrong year. Georgia On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:52 -0500 "annettedt" <annettedt@charter.net> writes: > I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my file > cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 > Campbell Co Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. > > My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz Source Title in Clooz is > 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky > > Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up before > I got Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. > I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, > then it shows in all the lists. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Georgia P Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > > > I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place > for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > household? > Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > Georgia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Annette, Thanks for the response. I, too, put the year in my file number but in the original version of clooz, there was a place for the year. I use the generic for the state censuses which, for my states, are years that end in either a "5" or a "4" so the 1850 census would not be useful since I would probably be constantly checking to see if I had typed in the wrong year. Georgia On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:52 -0500 "annettedt" <annettedt@charter.net> writes: > I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my > file > cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 > Campbell Co > Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. > > My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz > Source Title in Clooz is 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky > > Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up > before I got > Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. > I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, > then it > shows in all the lists. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, > Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, > HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, > DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Georgia P Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > > > I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the > place for > the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > household? > Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > Georgia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I see where you would use the State as a Generic. I guess I would also use the Title. MN State Census end in a 5 and only go for about 6 times. They don't fit in my line, so never thought about that. Good point/question.. A question that I have, I have 6 direct line families in one County in the 1850 Census. Different Townships or Districts for enumeration. Do you use one 1850 Census form for one state/ county and put all 6 families under that one census template? Use one 1850 Census for all States/counties ????? My file system I have the 1850 Census broken up into different families per townships/districts. So I am wrestling with how to do it. Probably a simple answer. Or a new way of looking at it. Appreciate any feedback or thoughts on this. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Georgia P Clark Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:36 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses Dear Annette, Thanks for the response. I, too, put the year in my file number but in the original version of clooz, there was a place for the year. I use the generic for the state censuses which, for my states, are years that end in either a "5" or a "4" so the 1850 census would not be useful since I would probably be constantly checking to see if I had typed in the wrong year. Georgia On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:43:52 -0500 "annettedt" <annettedt@charter.net> writes: > I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my file > cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 > Campbell Co Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. > > My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz Source Title in Clooz is > 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky > > Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up before > I got Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. > I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, > then it shows in all the lists. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE > KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, > HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, > Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock > ======================================= > Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Georgia P Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > > > I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place > for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > household? > Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > Georgia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use the Source Title to tell me which year. As my files in my file cabinet are filed that way. So a file folder name is KY21 1860 Campbell Co Ky Census. Thus it becomes my Souce Title also. My personal file number is KY 21 in Clooz Source Title in Clooz is 1860 Census Campbell Co Ky Others are going to do it different, but I had my files set up before I got Clooz 2.0 and do not want to change about 600 set of files. I do not use the Generic form I use the 1850 or ..... Census form, then it shows in all the lists. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Georgia P Clark Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:41 AM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Cc: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. Georgia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. Georgia

Hello All I have just found in the UK Census that my place name field has become corrupt it now contains place names that appear to be random from my place list. I did had a problem with Legacy a few days ago it refused to open and wanted to connect to Clooz first, I have not asked Legacy and Clooz to connect at any time. The problem was only solved by re-installing Legacy. It appears to date that the place name field is the only one with a problem, I am working through 430 census entries! I would like to know if anyone has ever checked or had a similar problem with field entries? Regards Maurice Keith French 8 Admiral Crescent Flagstaff Hamilton 3210 New Zealand

I am new to Clooz. I just recently added my two main Legacy databases and told Clooz I wanted to use Clooz and Legacy together. After adding one or more new individuals to the Legacy database, how do I get that info into Clooz without re-entering the data? Pat

As a historian, I'd say the document itself is the source for the information you extract from it. E.g., if you say that John Doe was born c1840 (because you found him listed in the Census of 1850 as being ten years old), the SOURCE of your information IS that particular Census. The actual census is the document, and you may have a copy or image of that particular census page as YOUR document. Or you may say John Doe III was born 5/22/1923 and say that the SOURCE of your info is his birth certificate, (which of course is a DOCUMENT). Or a particular page in a book can be the source of your information, but we usually call a book a "secondary account" because it is made up of information from a variety of source and other accounts. Some books are known as "documentary histories" because they contain transcripts of a number of documents pertaining to a particular subject. The question "What was your source (of that information)?" is like asking "In what document did you find that information?" or "Who told you that?" (if you got the information verbally). So the source is not ALWAYS a document! (I hope this has been a little clarifying and not confusing!) Pat > Here's an older posting that as a TMG user I also found to be an issue for > me. Let me know what all you TMG users think- > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:33:42 EDT JCAcker@aol.com writes: > I am new at using Clooz, and am trying the older version. Could someone > please explain the difference between source and document entry. I have > always considered each document a source when entering into my genealogy > program (TMG). It looks like the document is more related to events, so I > am > very confused. Thanks > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:30:46 Elizabeth responded with this: > This is directly from Clooz Help in version 1.23: > > "Before you start, realize the difference between a source and a document. > In short, a source is the place where you got the information and a > document > is the record itself, such as a census record." > > That's how Clooz distinguishes between the two. > > Now I say ;) > > I completely understand the confusion! As a new owner of Clooz, many of > my > "documents" are turning out to be very similar to my sources. I think due > to the structure of TMG and it's many variable templates, many users are > able and do enter documents as the main source. There has long been a > debate between "Lumpers" and "Splitters" (TMG Board Rootsweb) with regard > to > data entry into TMG. > > As a "Splitter", I consider each document a "Source Document" and all > information within that document is recorded with that source within the > Source Master File. EX: Marriage register record for John Smith and Ann > Jones is a source. > >>From what I gather from the TMG Board, "Lumpers" enter document specific > info in "Citation Detail" in TMG and link it to a more general Master > Source > Record. EX: Breckinridge County, KY Marriage Register is the source and > all info pertinent to the specific record of John Smith and Ann Jones is > recorded separately from the source info. > > This just means that Splitters have a greater number of sources with more > details and Lumpers have more details in their citation fields linked to > fewer, more general master sources. Doesn't mean one or the other is > right > or wrong as you can find many experienced, certified genealogists who are > either Lumpers or Splitters. > > I think as a "Splitter" using Clooz, getting my head around what is a > document and what is a source is very confusing. I was looking to use > Clooz > as a way to organize and keep track of all the pieces of info I come > across > while researching regardless of whether that info comes in the form of a > person, document, or object. To be able to readily access the info when > needed and once I have deemed it an appropriate source for entry to TMG to > be able to cross reference it via the source drop down box. > > Is any of this making sense to anyone out there? Any suggestions or > comments would help! > > I'm doubting my own sanity at this point =:) > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of clooz-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:10 AM > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Subject: CLOOZ Digest, Vol 1, Issue 12 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Copying IDs (Kym Lister) > 2. Re: Copying IDs (Mike Daugherty) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:29:20 -0700 > From: "Kym Lister" <kymmy@cox.net> > Subject: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs > To: <CLOOZ@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001c6e1bb$36489c20$6501a8c0@gateway0rzt38r> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data > Set > ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't > use > another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the > Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only > identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, > the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a > TMG > generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column > blank > for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to > the > Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? > > Thanks! > Kym Lister > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:07:26 -0400 > From: "Mike Daugherty" <mmj7806@adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs > To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006a01c6e1d1$4cd6d540$0215a8c0@MIKEDESKTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Kym > > I'm afraid I only have an indirect answer to an direct question. I, too, > am > a user of both TMG and Clooz. First off, my indirect answer to your > question - if Clooz has such a copy feature, I haven't seen it yet. I > suspect not. > > I have used a similar approach to yours, in dealing with both TMG and > Clooz > at the same time, but with a few differences. Because of the lack of a > programmatic link between TMG and Clooz, I elected to enter my people into > Clooz manually rather than through the import process. That's because my > TMG database is still in relatively early stages of development, with only > about 2500 people in it, and once I have imported them, I would need to > manually enter new people that I add to TMG into both databases anyway. > And > since the Clooz person record only contains 6 fields, I don't find that a > great inconvenience. Besides that, this way the only people that I > actually > have entered in Clooz are the ones that I actually have documents for. > > So when I enter a new person into Clooz, I let it use whatever number it > wants for the primary ID. I then enter the Alternate ID from my > corresponding TMG record, and the other 5 bits of data about the person. > That way, I have a reference number between the 2 databases. The downside > is that I can never use TMG's record renumbering utility, because that > would > demolish the relationship between the records in the 2 databases. > > For what its worth, I also use 2 (at the moment) other types of alternate > IDs in Clooz. Since Clooz doesn't care what sort of value you place in > the > alternate ID field, and since those values don't have to be unique, I use > the words UNRELATED and UNKNOWN for certain people. An example of where I > find this useful is with census records (which, quite frankly, is where > most > of my experience with Clooz is at this point). Sometimes I have an > ancestor > who was doing something like living as a boarder in an unrelated person's > household. So the actual census record might have 6 or 8 individuals in > the > household, but the only 1 that I have recorded in my TMG database is my > ancestor. Depending upon who they are, sometimes I list the other > individuals in the memo field of my census tag in such a way that they > appear appropriately on my narrative reports. Those people, do, however, > have a place in my Clooz database, because, otherwise I will have a census > record in Clooz that has nothing in it except for my relative. So I put a > record for everyone who was in the household in the Clooz census record. > That is where the UNRELATED and UNKNOWN alternate IDs come in. I use > UNRELATED as an alternate ID when I absolutely know that the person has no > blood or marital relationship to my family. I use UNKNOWN when I don't > know > if there is such a relationship. So far that is working pretty well for > me, > although I freely admit that I am rather a novice at this whole genealogy > game. I'm having a real ball with it though... > > Hope this helps > Mike D. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kym Lister > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:29 PM > To: CLOOZ@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs > > I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data > Set > ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't > use > another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the > Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only > identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, > the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a > TMG > generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column > blank > for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to > the > Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? > > Thanks! > Kym Lister > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CLOOZ list administrator, send an email to > CLOOZ-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CLOOZ mailing list, send an email to > CLOOZ@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of CLOOZ Digest, Vol 1, Issue 12 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Here's an older posting that as a TMG user I also found to be an issue for me. Let me know what all you TMG users think- On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:33:42 EDT JCAcker@aol.com writes: I am new at using Clooz, and am trying the older version. Could someone please explain the difference between source and document entry. I have always considered each document a source when entering into my genealogy program (TMG). It looks like the document is more related to events, so I am very confused. Thanks On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:30:46 Elizabeth responded with this: This is directly from Clooz Help in version 1.23: "Before you start, realize the difference between a source and a document. In short, a source is the place where you got the information and a document is the record itself, such as a census record." That's how Clooz distinguishes between the two. Now I say ;) I completely understand the confusion! As a new owner of Clooz, many of my "documents" are turning out to be very similar to my sources. I think due to the structure of TMG and it's many variable templates, many users are able and do enter documents as the main source. There has long been a debate between "Lumpers" and "Splitters" (TMG Board Rootsweb) with regard to data entry into TMG. As a "Splitter", I consider each document a "Source Document" and all information within that document is recorded with that source within the Source Master File. EX: Marriage register record for John Smith and Ann Jones is a source. >From what I gather from the TMG Board, "Lumpers" enter document specific info in "Citation Detail" in TMG and link it to a more general Master Source Record. EX: Breckinridge County, KY Marriage Register is the source and all info pertinent to the specific record of John Smith and Ann Jones is recorded separately from the source info. This just means that Splitters have a greater number of sources with more details and Lumpers have more details in their citation fields linked to fewer, more general master sources. Doesn't mean one or the other is right or wrong as you can find many experienced, certified genealogists who are either Lumpers or Splitters. I think as a "Splitter" using Clooz, getting my head around what is a document and what is a source is very confusing. I was looking to use Clooz as a way to organize and keep track of all the pieces of info I come across while researching regardless of whether that info comes in the form of a person, document, or object. To be able to readily access the info when needed and once I have deemed it an appropriate source for entry to TMG to be able to cross reference it via the source drop down box. Is any of this making sense to anyone out there? Any suggestions or comments would help! I'm doubting my own sanity at this point =:) -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of clooz-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:10 AM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: CLOOZ Digest, Vol 1, Issue 12 Today's Topics: 1. Copying IDs (Kym Lister) 2. Re: Copying IDs (Mike Daugherty) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:29:20 -0700 From: "Kym Lister" <kymmy@cox.net> Subject: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs To: <CLOOZ@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001c6e1bb$36489c20$6501a8c0@gateway0rzt38r> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data Set ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't use another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a TMG generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column blank for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to the Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? Thanks! Kym Lister ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:07:26 -0400 From: "Mike Daugherty" <mmj7806@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <006a01c6e1d1$4cd6d540$0215a8c0@MIKEDESKTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kym I'm afraid I only have an indirect answer to an direct question. I, too, am a user of both TMG and Clooz. First off, my indirect answer to your question - if Clooz has such a copy feature, I haven't seen it yet. I suspect not. I have used a similar approach to yours, in dealing with both TMG and Clooz at the same time, but with a few differences. Because of the lack of a programmatic link between TMG and Clooz, I elected to enter my people into Clooz manually rather than through the import process. That's because my TMG database is still in relatively early stages of development, with only about 2500 people in it, and once I have imported them, I would need to manually enter new people that I add to TMG into both databases anyway. And since the Clooz person record only contains 6 fields, I don't find that a great inconvenience. Besides that, this way the only people that I actually have entered in Clooz are the ones that I actually have documents for. So when I enter a new person into Clooz, I let it use whatever number it wants for the primary ID. I then enter the Alternate ID from my corresponding TMG record, and the other 5 bits of data about the person. That way, I have a reference number between the 2 databases. The downside is that I can never use TMG's record renumbering utility, because that would demolish the relationship between the records in the 2 databases. For what its worth, I also use 2 (at the moment) other types of alternate IDs in Clooz. Since Clooz doesn't care what sort of value you place in the alternate ID field, and since those values don't have to be unique, I use the words UNRELATED and UNKNOWN for certain people. An example of where I find this useful is with census records (which, quite frankly, is where most of my experience with Clooz is at this point). Sometimes I have an ancestor who was doing something like living as a boarder in an unrelated person's household. So the actual census record might have 6 or 8 individuals in the household, but the only 1 that I have recorded in my TMG database is my ancestor. Depending upon who they are, sometimes I list the other individuals in the memo field of my census tag in such a way that they appear appropriately on my narrative reports. Those people, do, however, have a place in my Clooz database, because, otherwise I will have a census record in Clooz that has nothing in it except for my relative. So I put a record for everyone who was in the household in the Clooz census record. That is where the UNRELATED and UNKNOWN alternate IDs come in. I use UNRELATED as an alternate ID when I absolutely know that the person has no blood or marital relationship to my family. I use UNKNOWN when I don't know if there is such a relationship. So far that is working pretty well for me, although I freely admit that I am rather a novice at this whole genealogy game. I'm having a real ball with it though... Hope this helps Mike D. -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kym Lister Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:29 PM To: CLOOZ@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data Set ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't use another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a TMG generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column blank for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to the Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? Thanks! Kym Lister ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the CLOOZ list administrator, send an email to CLOOZ-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CLOOZ mailing list, send an email to CLOOZ@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CLOOZ Digest, Vol 1, Issue 12 ************************************

Kym - - I'm another TMG / Clooz user who has successfully managed to do what you're trying to do -- import people from TMG into Clooz while storing the TMG ID into the Clooz Alternate ID field. But it requires that you have a copy of Access installed on your PC. If you have Access let me know and I'll give you some more details. Dan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Daugherty" <mmj7806@adelphia.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs > Hi Kym > > I'm afraid I only have an indirect answer to an direct question. I, too, > am > a user of both TMG and Clooz. First off, my indirect answer to your > question - if Clooz has such a copy feature, I haven't seen it yet. I > suspect not. > > I have used a similar approach to yours, in dealing with both TMG and > Clooz > at the same time, but with a few differences. Because of the lack of a > programmatic link between TMG and Clooz, I elected to enter my people into > Clooz manually rather than through the import process. That's because my > TMG database is still in relatively early stages of development, with only > about 2500 people in it, and once I have imported them, I would need to > manually enter new people that I add to TMG into both databases anyway. > And > since the Clooz person record only contains 6 fields, I don't find that a > great inconvenience. Besides that, this way the only people that I > actually > have entered in Clooz are the ones that I actually have documents for. > > So when I enter a new person into Clooz, I let it use whatever number it > wants for the primary ID. I then enter the Alternate ID from my > corresponding TMG record, and the other 5 bits of data about the person. > That way, I have a reference number between the 2 databases. The downside > is that I can never use TMG's record renumbering utility, because that > would > demolish the relationship between the records in the 2 databases. > > For what its worth, I also use 2 (at the moment) other types of alternate > IDs in Clooz. Since Clooz doesn't care what sort of value you place in > the > alternate ID field, and since those values don't have to be unique, I use > the words UNRELATED and UNKNOWN for certain people. An example of where I > find this useful is with census records (which, quite frankly, is where > most > of my experience with Clooz is at this point). Sometimes I have an > ancestor > who was doing something like living as a boarder in an unrelated person's > household. So the actual census record might have 6 or 8 individuals in > the > household, but the only 1 that I have recorded in my TMG database is my > ancestor. Depending upon who they are, sometimes I list the other > individuals in the memo field of my census tag in such a way that they > appear appropriately on my narrative reports. Those people, do, however, > have a place in my Clooz database, because, otherwise I will have a census > record in Clooz that has nothing in it except for my relative. So I put a > record for everyone who was in the household in the Clooz census record. > That is where the UNRELATED and UNKNOWN alternate IDs come in. I use > UNRELATED as an alternate ID when I absolutely know that the person has no > blood or marital relationship to my family. I use UNKNOWN when I don't > know > if there is such a relationship. So far that is working pretty well for > me, > although I freely admit that I am rather a novice at this whole genealogy > game. I'm having a real ball with it though... > > Hope this helps > Mike D. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kym Lister > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:29 PM > To: CLOOZ@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs > > I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data > Set > ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't > use > another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the > Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only > identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, > the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a > TMG > generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column > blank > for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to > the > Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? > > Thanks! > Kym Lister > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kym I'm afraid I only have an indirect answer to an direct question. I, too, am a user of both TMG and Clooz. First off, my indirect answer to your question - if Clooz has such a copy feature, I haven't seen it yet. I suspect not. I have used a similar approach to yours, in dealing with both TMG and Clooz at the same time, but with a few differences. Because of the lack of a programmatic link between TMG and Clooz, I elected to enter my people into Clooz manually rather than through the import process. That's because my TMG database is still in relatively early stages of development, with only about 2500 people in it, and once I have imported them, I would need to manually enter new people that I add to TMG into both databases anyway. And since the Clooz person record only contains 6 fields, I don't find that a great inconvenience. Besides that, this way the only people that I actually have entered in Clooz are the ones that I actually have documents for. So when I enter a new person into Clooz, I let it use whatever number it wants for the primary ID. I then enter the Alternate ID from my corresponding TMG record, and the other 5 bits of data about the person. That way, I have a reference number between the 2 databases. The downside is that I can never use TMG's record renumbering utility, because that would demolish the relationship between the records in the 2 databases. For what its worth, I also use 2 (at the moment) other types of alternate IDs in Clooz. Since Clooz doesn't care what sort of value you place in the alternate ID field, and since those values don't have to be unique, I use the words UNRELATED and UNKNOWN for certain people. An example of where I find this useful is with census records (which, quite frankly, is where most of my experience with Clooz is at this point). Sometimes I have an ancestor who was doing something like living as a boarder in an unrelated person's household. So the actual census record might have 6 or 8 individuals in the household, but the only 1 that I have recorded in my TMG database is my ancestor. Depending upon who they are, sometimes I list the other individuals in the memo field of my census tag in such a way that they appear appropriately on my narrative reports. Those people, do, however, have a place in my Clooz database, because, otherwise I will have a census record in Clooz that has nothing in it except for my relative. So I put a record for everyone who was in the household in the Clooz census record. That is where the UNRELATED and UNKNOWN alternate IDs come in. I use UNRELATED as an alternate ID when I absolutely know that the person has no blood or marital relationship to my family. I use UNKNOWN when I don't know if there is such a relationship. So far that is working pretty well for me, although I freely admit that I am rather a novice at this whole genealogy game. I'm having a real ball with it though... Hope this helps Mike D. -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kym Lister Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:29 PM To: CLOOZ@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLOOZ] Copying IDs I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data Set ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't use another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a TMG generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column blank for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to the Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? Thanks! Kym Lister ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I imported from TMG to Clooz. I had the import include all my TMG Data Set ID numbers as those are the IDs I use to identify my people and I don't use another form of reference ID. Is there a way to copy those IDs to the Alternate ID column? I need to do this because the TMG ID is my only identifying reference number for all my people. As I begin using Clooz, the new people I enter may not have been entered into TMG and received a TMG generated ID yet so I need to be able to leave the Alternate ID column blank for this use. Is there any way to do a simple copy from the ID field to the Alternate ID field before I start using Clooz from this point? Thanks! Kym Lister