Well, Dick, you have truly blindsided me. I have never told you "you don't know what you are talking about." And, I have only removed one person EVER from the Clooz list because she was disruptive. I guess this is why you've failed to respond to my recent e-mails to you where you had promised to write an article about the effective use of Clooz. An e-mail telling me you weren't going to write it, and why, would have been a productive thing to do. Last communication from you lead me to believe you were very happy with the new program. All of you are entitled to your opinions, of course. Developers of programs have visions for their programs. I have visions for Clooz and for the design intent. I have listened to many, many suggestions and have made a ton of design improvements. I don't think your criticism of the program is fair. It is much more than new window dressing on an old product. But the program does still retain its original mission, which is a document-based program to catalog your finds. Making it work with Legacy, as limited as that coordination is, happened because Legacy code was purchased for the GEDCOM transfer. I never intended for Clooz to read everything from Legacy. And the complaint from the other writer about Legacy not writing to Clooz needs to be addressed to Millennia, not me. I can't make another software write to my software. The reality remains that genealogy programs on the market today do not have places to put all of the data that Clooz stores. Clooz isn't for everyone. That's why I offer a free download of the full program for 30 days testing, or 15 tries. You should be able to decide in that time whether or not you like the program. At 11:27 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of >the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous >points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a >re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the >various features that could be added to make the program useful. After >working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design >flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out >told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program >will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work >with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that >the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program >that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to >any analysis of research data already held. > >I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with >it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that >this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has >provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be >added. > >In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall >and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar >product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would >be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, >and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date >and location - well there are a number of census records that you can >get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide >back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that >would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that >could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do >research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the >development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I >had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would >want to be experiencing at this point. > >Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most >like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. >Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of >true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same >as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed >and simple. > > > >Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time > > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I > > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the > > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. > > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into > > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any > > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into > > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This > > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance > > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, > > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more > > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the > > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using > > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into > > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > > subscribership. > > > > Gary > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > > From: GH250@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > > > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of > > entering > > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > > information I > > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. > > What > > am I not seeing? > > > > Glenda Holmes > > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the various features that could be added to make the program useful. After working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to any analysis of research data already held. I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be added. In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date and location - well there are a number of census records that you can get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would want to be experiencing at this point. Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed and simple. Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > subscribership. > > Gary > > -------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > From: GH250@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of > entering > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > information I > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. > What > am I not seeing? > > Glenda Holmes > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I can't resist not commenting any longer. Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the current version in hopes of finding it more useful. I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire subscribership. Gary -------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT From: GH250@aol.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction To: clooz@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of entering the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the information I need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. What am I not seeing? Glenda Holmes Boulder, Colorado

Thanks everyone for your replies. I thought there was something wrong with my computer or that I was doing domething wrong. Mike ---- landmbrew@charter.net wrote: > Hi > > I'm using Clooz 2.0 on a laptop computer running windows XP. It's a new laptop not running much and it has a lot of memory. It seems that when I am linking people to a U S Census document that part of the process is slow. When I search to link, it finds the people rather fast but then when I click on the person to tselect them it seems to take a long time before the link button shows up to actually link them to the document. After the button shows up the rest of the process is again fast. It's just that one section. > > Is this just the normal process? > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike I also have that same situation and my laptop and desktop have large ram, still that happens. Probably the search/program process behind the scenes. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of landmbrew@charter.net Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:00 AM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Slow? Hi I'm using Clooz 2.0 on a laptop computer running windows XP. It's a new laptop not running much and it has a lot of memory. It seems that when I am linking people to a U S Census document that part of the process is slow. When I search to link, it finds the people rather fast but then when I click on the person to tselect them it seems to take a long time before the link button shows up to actually link them to the document. After the button shows up the rest of the process is again fast. It's just that one section. Is this just the normal process? Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rollin, I hadn't thought of that. I'll consider it for the future. For now, you could put movies under the photos category. At 05:42 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote: >Will there be a listing for Multimedia, now Digital Camera's will allow >you make movies and audio? >Rollin Butler > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Hi I'm using Clooz 2.0 on a laptop computer running windows XP. It's a new laptop not running much and it has a lot of memory. It seems that when I am linking people to a U S Census document that part of the process is slow. When I search to link, it finds the people rather fast but then when I click on the person to tselect them it seems to take a long time before the link button shows up to actually link them to the document. After the button shows up the rest of the process is again fast. It's just that one section. Is this just the normal process? Mike

Will there be a listing for Multimedia, now Digital Camera's will allow you make movies and audio? Rollin Butler

At 09:49 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: My comments follow the appropriate paragraphs below. >I can't help with Legacy issues, but maybe I can help with the sorting >issue. After you open the People list by clicking on Link People, click on >the Surname Column header. Then hold down the CTRL key and click on the >Given Name column header. This will sort the list by Surname then Given >Name. If you wish to further order the list, simply hold downt he CTRL key >and then click on the column header. You will have to do this each time you >wish to link someone as the window does not "remember" this order. You can also drag the surname column header into the space above the column headers so that surnames are grouped together. Then click on Given Name column header and the given names are sorted within a surname. > > In Legacy, I have set up a Master Source for each census year for each > > county. Here's a sample of what some of my Source List Names look > > like: > > Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1920 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1930 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > Census: Alabama, Bullock - 1900 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > Census: Alabama, Chambers - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > > > For each person find in each census, I create a census event and > > transcribe the listing of the census in the notes section for that > > event. > > > > For example, I have in one event note: > > 1) George Gilreath, male age 74, farmer, $1000 real estate, $400 > > personal estate, born in NC > > 2) Sarah Gilreath, female age 72, domestic, born in NC, cannot write > > 3) Larkin Gilreath, male age 41, farm labor, born in NC > > 4) Sarah Gilreath, female age 30, domestic, born in NC > > > > Then I enter the citation details which are attached to the master > > source. For example: > > > > "George N. Lewis household, 222 North Eufala St., Eufala, precint 5, > > district 11, dwelling 71, family 74, page 4A, from National Archives > > microfilm T625, roll 3, image 167" > > > > Last, I copy the whole event, source included, and paste it as an > > event for each member of the whole family. > > > > Therefore, attached to each master source, I may have source details > > for one, or for many, families. > > > > When I look in Clooz, all the census master sources show up under > > "Source," but none of them show up in the appropriate "Census" > > categories. Also, they all show up as a source type of "document" and > > not as a book, newspaper, website, etc. as I have them listed in > > Legacy. > > > > Then, when I go to the U.S. Federal Census in Clooz, it is empty. > > Then I decided I could try to re-set up each Master Source by hand. Gail, you really need to read the Help in Clooz. It doesn't sound like you have a handle on how Clooz works. If you use Clooz and Legacy together, Clooz will see the sources that you have set up in Legacy. But they are just that, sources. Clooz doesn't import the notes that you have typed into Legacy because it wouldn't know where to put the information. In order to use the census templates in Clooz, you need to type in the information into the templates, and link to one of your master sources. The source is where the information is coming from. The templates in Clooz record the actual information, as you have done in a notes field in Legacy. > > I saw how I could choose a census master source from the drop-down > > box. So far, so good. However, in trying to link a person (for which > > I have to switch to Legacy and "Show List"), I have to scroll through > > a lengthy list (no way to just start typing and have it pull the ID > > number up) and select the person. Also, while I can scroll by last > > name, the first names are not the secondary sort. Therefore, two John > > Smiths might not be together. Then it wants me to select a personal > > file number and I'm not sure what would be appropriate here. Terri (above) described how to sort and find people in Clooz. This is also covered in depth in the manual and in online help. The linking of people to templates will improve in version 2.1, but you are able to link people now. > > Can you give me some hope that I still might be able to get this to work? What I can say is that it seems you're making it too hard on yourself. You should take some time to read the manual (which you can download for free from www.clooz.com/downloads.htm) and understand how Clooz works. It's completely different than Legacy, and has a different purpose. And while the two programs talk somewhat, they don't really "work together" in the sense that you think they do. Clooz reads the Legacy database for people, sources and repositories. That's it. The rest of the functions of Clooz are there because they're not available in Legacy or other programs. While you can transcribe the data from a census into the notes section, that data isn't searchable or sortable in a variety of manners, allowing you to look at your data in different ways. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Gail, I can't help with Legacy issues, but maybe I can help with the sorting issue. After you open the People list by clicking on Link People, click on the Surname Column header. Then hold down the CTRL key and click on the Given Name column header. This will sort the list by Surname then Given Name. If you wish to further order the list, simply hold downt he CTRL key and then click on the column header. You will have to do this each time you wish to link someone as the window does not "remember" this order. Another way to find people is to click on the Find button. In the dialogue box, type the surname you are looking for then click the check box next to the word "surname" under Select Fields to Search In. Click the Search button. When the list comes up, click on the Given Name column. Chose the person you wish by double-clicking on the name. In the next window, click the Link button. That is how I sort names using Clooz 2 as a stand alone. If I understand your question about the Personal File #: A Personal File # can be anything you wish. But keep it simple. I use BIRTH00001, BIRTH00002 and so on for birth records; DEA00001, DEA00001 for death records. For census I use the state abbreviations: OH00001, OH00002 for Ohio Federal; CA00001, CA00002 for California Federal; UK00001 for United Kingdom. One person on the list a while back simply numbered them something like 0001, 0002, etc or DOC0001, DOC0002, etc. Use whatever works for you. If you already have a numbering system set up, you should use it. I have also studied the Help files and Liz's sample database to get ideas. Hope this helps. Terri Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Rich Nestor" <gail.nestor@gmail.com> To: <CLOOZ@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > Hi Liz, I am a current user of Legacy Deluxe 6.0.0.10 and am trying > out Clooz to see if it can work for me. I am also an active reader of > the APG list and plan to get certified within the next couple years. > The other thing to note is that my current database has just under > 6,000 individuals and has hundreds and hundreds on census citations. > Now for my question/issue... > > In Legacy, I have set up a Master Source for each census year for each > county. Here's a sample of what some of my Source List Names look > like: > Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1920 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1930 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > Census: Alabama, Bullock - 1900 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > Census: Alabama, Chambers - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > For each person find in each census, I create a census event and > transcribe the listing of the census in the notes section for that > event. > > For example, I have in one event note: > 1) George Gilreath, male age 74, farmer, $1000 real estate, $400 > personal estate, born in NC > 2) Sarah Gilreath, female age 72, domestic, born in NC, cannot write > 3) Larkin Gilreath, male age 41, farm labor, born in NC > 4) Sarah Gilreath, female age 30, domestic, born in NC > > Then I enter the citation details which are attached to the master > source. For example: > > "George N. Lewis household, 222 North Eufala St., Eufala, precint 5, > district 11, dwelling 71, family 74, page 4A, from National Archives > microfilm T625, roll 3, image 167" > > Last, I copy the whole event, source included, and paste it as an > event for each member of the whole family. > > Therefore, attached to each master source, I may have source details > for one, or for many, families. > > When I look in Clooz, all the census master sources show up under > "Source," but none of them show up in the appropriate "Census" > categories. Also, they all show up as a source type of "document" and > not as a book, newspaper, website, etc. as I have them listed in > Legacy. > > Then, when I go to the U.S. Federal Census in Clooz, it is empty. > Then I decided I could try to re-set up each Master Source by hand. > > I saw how I could choose a census master source from the drop-down > box. So far, so good. However, in trying to link a person (for which > I have to switch to Legacy and "Show List"), I have to scroll through > a lengthy list (no way to just start typing and have it pull the ID > number up) and select the person. Also, while I can scroll by last > name, the first names are not the secondary sort. Therefore, two John > Smiths might not be together. Then it wants me to select a personal > file number and I'm not sure what would be appropriate here. > > I have other issues, but maybe I am going about this all the wrong > way. I know Clooz was designed to work with Legacy. Perhaps if I had > started using it before I got so far along with my sources, this would > all be easier. > > Can you give me some hope that I still might be able to get this to work? > > Sorry for this *very* long-winded note! It is very hard to accurately > describe this particular situation. Yet, I feel it may be the same > boat a lot of Legacy users are in. > > -- > Gail Rich Nestor > Smyrna, Georgia > www.roots2buds.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

When I saw Liz posting on the list yesterday, I decided this might be a good time to pose this question. I am hoping she will respond today. Otherwise, like you, I see no advantage in using Clooz. Gail On 10/17/06, GH250@aol.com <GH250@aol.com> wrote: > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of entering > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the information I > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. What > am I not seeing? > > Glenda Holmes > Boulder, Colorado > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net

I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of entering the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the information I need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. What am I not seeing? Glenda Holmes Boulder, Colorado

Georgia, I sent an e-mail to the list again after I sent the last one to you saying I was looking at version 2.1. It's on version 2.1, which should be available to everyone in the next month. I apologize for the mixup. At 05:26 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >Dear Liz, > >Doesn't appear on the template for the census input that I used to add a >new state census for 1905. Has: > >Personal File Number >Source >Country State etc. >County Parish, etc. >City, etc Ward >town, etc. District >Digital file >Description >And so forth. But no place for the year. The only place to put the year >is in the "details" for each person and that doesn't it show on the >Census listings. > >On the old Clooz, the year space appeared after the township entry on the >template. > >Georgia > > >On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:24:29 -0400 "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" ><liz@ancestordetective.com> writes: > > Georgia, the Year field on the generic census forms immediately > > follows the Personal File # field. Aren't you seeing this? I just > > checked and the field is there. > > > > Liz > > > > At 11:41 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: > > > > > >I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the > > place > > >for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > > >household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > > > > >Georgia > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Dear Liz, Doesn't appear on the template for the census input that I used to add a new state census for 1905. Has: Personal File Number Source Country State etc. County Parish, etc. City, etc Ward town, etc. District Digital file Description And so forth. But no place for the year. The only place to put the year is in the "details" for each person and that doesn't it show on the Census listings. On the old Clooz, the year space appeared after the township entry on the template. Georgia On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:24:29 -0400 "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> writes: > Georgia, the Year field on the generic census forms immediately > follows the Personal File # field. Aren't you seeing this? I just > checked and the field is there. > > Liz > > At 11:41 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: > > > >I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the > place > >for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > >household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > > > >Georgia > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Liz, I am a current user of Legacy Deluxe 6.0.0.10 and am trying out Clooz to see if it can work for me. I am also an active reader of the APG list and plan to get certified within the next couple years. The other thing to note is that my current database has just under 6,000 individuals and has hundreds and hundreds on census citations. Now for my question/issue... In Legacy, I have set up a Master Source for each census year for each county. Here's a sample of what some of my Source List Names look like: Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1920 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1930 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] Census: Alabama, Bullock - 1900 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] Census: Alabama, Chambers - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] For each person find in each census, I create a census event and transcribe the listing of the census in the notes section for that event. For example, I have in one event note: 1) George Gilreath, male age 74, farmer, $1000 real estate, $400 personal estate, born in NC 2) Sarah Gilreath, female age 72, domestic, born in NC, cannot write 3) Larkin Gilreath, male age 41, farm labor, born in NC 4) Sarah Gilreath, female age 30, domestic, born in NC Then I enter the citation details which are attached to the master source. For example: "George N. Lewis household, 222 North Eufala St., Eufala, precint 5, district 11, dwelling 71, family 74, page 4A, from National Archives microfilm T625, roll 3, image 167" Last, I copy the whole event, source included, and paste it as an event for each member of the whole family. Therefore, attached to each master source, I may have source details for one, or for many, families. When I look in Clooz, all the census master sources show up under "Source," but none of them show up in the appropriate "Census" categories. Also, they all show up as a source type of "document" and not as a book, newspaper, website, etc. as I have them listed in Legacy. Then, when I go to the U.S. Federal Census in Clooz, it is empty. Then I decided I could try to re-set up each Master Source by hand. I saw how I could choose a census master source from the drop-down box. So far, so good. However, in trying to link a person (for which I have to switch to Legacy and "Show List"), I have to scroll through a lengthy list (no way to just start typing and have it pull the ID number up) and select the person. Also, while I can scroll by last name, the first names are not the secondary sort. Therefore, two John Smiths might not be together. Then it wants me to select a personal file number and I'm not sure what would be appropriate here. I have other issues, but maybe I am going about this all the wrong way. I know Clooz was designed to work with Legacy. Perhaps if I had started using it before I got so far along with my sources, this would all be easier. Can you give me some hope that I still might be able to get this to work? Sorry for this *very* long-winded note! It is very hard to accurately describe this particular situation. Yet, I feel it may be the same boat a lot of Legacy users are in. -- Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net

OK, sorry, I guess I'm looking at version 2.1. We must have added it since 2.0 came out. You will see the year on the generic census templates when version 2.1 comes out. My mistake. Liz At 04:01 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >Liz- It isn't there on either generic census form on my copy. There is >ample space, but the field is not there. Wish it were. > >jane > > > >Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > > >Georgia, the Year field on the generic census forms immediately > >follows the Personal File # field. Aren't you seeing this? I just > >checked and the field is there. > > > >Liz > > > >At 11:41 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: > > > > > >>I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place > >>for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of > >>household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > >> > >>Georgia > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz, I just checked both generic census forms on my copy of Clooz and the year field does NOT show up. Your copy must be different than ours. Best wishes John Garner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > Georgia, the Year field on the generic census forms immediately > follows the Personal File # field. Aren't you seeing this? I just > checked and the field is there. > > Liz > > At 11:41 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: >> >>I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place >>for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of >>household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. >> >>Georgia >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Georgia, the Year field on the generic census forms immediately follows the Personal File # field. Aren't you seeing this? I just checked and the field is there. Liz At 11:41 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: > >I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place >for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of >household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. > >Georgia > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liz- It isn't there on either generic census form on my copy. There is ample space, but the field is not there. Wish it were. jane Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >Georgia, the Year field on the generic census forms immediately >follows the Personal File # field. Aren't you seeing this? I just >checked and the field is there. > >Liz > >At 11:41 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: > > >>I don't know if this has been discussed before, but where is the place >>for the year on the generic censuses-both every member and head of >>household? Not on the detail template (?) but on the main one. >> >>Georgia >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Mike, Clooz 2.1 is nearly ready. I've been in Ireland the past 10 days, so I've been out of the loop with my programmer, but I have the version to test. I'm hoping that we'll be mailing out the CDs in early November, but that depends on how the testing goes and how long it takes to make the CDs. We're nearly there! There are almost 200 reports in Clooz 2.1 and I'm anxious to use them myself! It has been a long road and I appreciate everyone's patience as we get the reports in and get functionality fixed that wasn't working properly. At 08:58 AM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >Hi Liz, > >Thanks for the information. I'll give that a try, and it will make things >much easier for me. > >By the way, is there any word at this time as to when the updated version of >the software with full reporting functionality will be available? > >Thanks >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:02 AM >To: clooz@rootsweb.com; clooz@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Generic Censuses > >At 10:01 PM 10/12/2006, Mike Daugherty wrote: > >I also never record more than a single census page in a Clooz census >record. > >If a single family overlaps more than 1 page, I use 2 separate Clooz > >records, which both reference the same source but have unique personal file > >numbers like M593-594-522-B and M593-594-523-A. That way I don't have to > >worry about the fact that things like enumeration dates can be different > >from page to page, and I don't get bitten by the fact that line numbers on > >the 2nd page can be smaller than the line numbers on the first page and > >things like that. > > > >Mike Daugherty > >Mike, this precaution is not necessary. Each census report prints >pages separately, with the date enumerated printed next to the page >number, so the date is unique for each page number on the report. > >Liz Kerstens Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org