I'm not too good at dates. I was hoping for October, but we're just getting ready to test, so I'm now hoping for mid-late November. It depends on how the testing goes, and then I have to get CDs made. At 07:08 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone! >Is there an expected date that we can expect to receive the CD? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> >To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:30 PM >Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Clooz 2.1 question > > > > At 12:16 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote: > >>I have seen mention of Clooz 2.1 being in the works. At this point, > >>is is planned that it will be free for those that have purchased version > >>2.0? > > > > Yes. We're calling it 2.1 because of all the reports that have been > > added, but it's the version that has been promised to those who > > purchase 2.0 and are expecting a CD. Those who ordered the download > > only will be able to download again and use the same serial number. > > There's no additional charge for 2.1. > > > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > > Ancestor Detective, LLC > > http://www.ancestordetective.com > > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

At 12:16 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote: >I have seen mention of Clooz 2.1 being in the works. At this point, >is is planned that it will be free for those that have purchased version 2.0? Yes. We're calling it 2.1 because of all the reports that have been added, but it's the version that has been promised to those who purchase 2.0 and are expecting a CD. Those who ordered the download only will be able to download again and use the same serial number. There's no additional charge for 2.1. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Hi everyone! Is there an expected date that we can expect to receive the CD? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Clooz 2.1 question > At 12:16 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote: >>I have seen mention of Clooz 2.1 being in the works. At this point, >>is is planned that it will be free for those that have purchased version >>2.0? > > Yes. We're calling it 2.1 because of all the reports that have been > added, but it's the version that has been promised to those who > purchase 2.0 and are expecting a CD. Those who ordered the download > only will be able to download again and use the same serial number. > There's no additional charge for 2.1. > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

>Betty, you haven't had to have Access since the very first version. >Since then you've always been able to use Clooz as a stand-alone. >Version 2 only has one option as it's not even written in Access. >Your databases are still Access databases, but you don't need to >have Access to use Clooz. It works on its own. > >At 01:53 AM 10/25/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Liz, >> >>I was among the first users of Clooz. As I recall at the outset we >>had a choice of selecting either Version 1, Stand Alone, or Version >>1, with Access 97. I am now up to Version 1.23 with Access 97 and >>thinking about upgrading to Version 2.0. Can I get a stand alone >>version of 2.0 or do I have to also have Access in order to upgrade >>and not lose any of my database? And if I have to have >>Access, what version of Access do I need today? >> >>Betty Boone >>bettyboone@san.rr.com > >Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >Ancestor Detective, LLC >http://www.ancestordetective.com >Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com >Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

I have seen mention of Clooz 2.1 being in the works. At this point, is is planned that it will be free for those that have purchased version 2.0? Kathryn

Thank you Cheryl, Marie, Terri, Mike and Others. You spoke for me as well. I found it extremely helpful in using the video and manual with Clooz vs. 1. Have aleady ordered and received manual for newer version and can hardly wait when newer version of Clooz comes to me through the mail. Helen

Hi Liz, I was among the first users of Clooz. As I recall at the outset we had a choice of selecting either Version 1, Stand Alone, or Version 1, with Access 97. I am now up to Version 1.23 and thinking about moving to Version 2.0. Any problem because my original software was not stand alone? Betty Boone San Diego

I apologize for the duplication - I have 2 different addresses for the list and wasn't sure which was correct - it appears that both are. Cheryl

I have used Clooz with FTM for many years, and did update to 2.0. I found the update to meet and even exceed my expectations and hopes - and look forward to the full version on CD. I can't help but think that those who complain about Legacy/Clooz interaction are forgetting 3 major points - Clooz has a specific purpose and that is principally documentation organization and filing; no program is perfect for everyone, and Clooz is used by users of many different Genealogy programs - not just Legacy. I also believe that attacking Liz is very counterproductive, not to mention just plain nasty. She has a vision and has worked very hard to bring that vision to reality. Because of that vision and hard work, others like me can really benefit in our genealogy research. As a person who has had experience with programming, I understand how difficult it is to incorporate every little idea that everyone has into a program - in fact it is impossible. But Liz listens, sorts thru ideas and incorporates what she feels is most beneficial to the most people, as well as what her programmer tells her is possible. Keep up the great work Liz, and remember that you have many happy customers and supporters. Those who don't like the program can, as others have mentioned look for something else. :-) I like the program, will continue to use it, and will continue to organize my 15 years of files with it - even as I continue using FTM. Cheryl Castellan

I have used Clooz with FTM for many years, and did update to 2.0. I found the update to meet and even exceed my expectations and hopes - and look forward to the full version on CD. I can't help but think that those who complain about Legacy/Clooz interaction are forgetting 3 major points - Clooz has a specific purpose and that is principally documentation organization and filing; no program is perfect for everyone, and Clooz is used by users of many different Genealogy programs - not just Legacy. I also believe that attacking Liz is very counterproductive, not to mention just plain nasty. She has a vision and has worked very hard to bring that vision to reality. Because of that vision and hard work, others like me can really benefit in our genealogy research. As a person who has had experience with programming, I understand how difficult it is to incorporate every little idea that everyone has into a program - in fact it is impossible. But Liz listens, sorts thru ideas and incorporates what she feels is most beneficial to the most people, as well as what her programmer tells her is possible. Keep up the great work Liz, and remember that you have many happy customers and supporters. Those who don't like the program can, as others have mentioned look for something else. :-) I like the program, will continue to use it, and will continue to organize my 15 years of files with it - even as I continue using FTM. Cheryl Castellan

I feel that these postings have been very unfair to both Liz and Clooz. I am a relative newcomer to Clooz, having been using it for only about 3 months now. I use it as a filing cabinet in conjunction with TMG 6.11, which is my primary genealogy tool. For what it is, I have found Clooz to be a great tool for organizing, searching, sorting and reporting on the documents that I use in support of the records in my TMG project. Just as with any other software application, I think there are areas in Clooz that could stand improvement. And my previous posts will bear out the fact that I have not been bashful about asking for them. And so far I have always found Liz to be receptive to suggestions for improvement or change. I have 3 types of people in my Clooz database, and I find that it handles them quite well. (1) I have people that also exist in my TMG database, and they are cross-referenced to TMG through Clooz's Alternate ID field. They are the only people in my database that require real policing and sometimes double data-entry, because when I update a part of a name, or birth, marriage or death date for one of them in TMG, I have to be sure to remember to do the same in Clooz. (2) I have people in my Clooz database who could potentially also end up in my TMG database, but at the present time I don't know just how or where they connect up. I assign them an Alternate ID that lets me know they are potential TMG candidates. (3) I have people in Clooz who were also listed in some of my documents who are in no way, shape or form any part of my family and will never appear in my TMG database. I assign them an Alternate ID that tells me that at a glance. The current weakest point of Clooz for me is the lack of reports. But since they are part of Clooz 2.1, and the release of that is imminent, I can't complain about that either. Thanks for all of your hard work, Liz. Mike Daugherty -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dick Davis Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the various features that could be added to make the program useful. After working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to any analysis of research data already held. I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be added. In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date and location - well there are a number of census records that you can get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would want to be experiencing at this point. Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed and simple. Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the longest time > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking Clooz. I > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also purchased the > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz interface. > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is imported into > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. Any > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be incorporated into > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. This > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and chance > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy program, > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and more > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and encourage the > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is there using > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features incorporated into > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > subscribership. > > Gary > > -------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > From: GH250@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but have not > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the advantage of > entering > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > information I > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper files. > What > am I not seeing? > > Glenda Holmes > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also would like to thank Liz for a wonderful product. I've been using Clooz to supplement Family Tree Maker for at least 4 years and feel that the program does exactly what it is supposed to do. The program is advertised as an "electronic filing cabinet" and that is exactly how it performs. I don't expect anything else. Every program on the market has its limitations and Clooz is no exception. I have learned to work with or around those limitations just as I have done with every other piece of software I have ever owned. I can tell from the changes in Clooz that Liz listens to what we have to say and tries to accomodate whenever practical. If only the makers of Family Tree Maker would listen so well. Sometimes it seems that others who use the program and post to the mailing list did not read the information on the website before purchasing or utilize the Help files before jumping in to the program. From reading the help files I see that Clooz has a **limited** relationship with Legacy that **could** make data entry easier. That is more than FTM users get and I don't hear any of us complaining. I think the functionality some Legacy users want would have to come from Legacy's end not Liz. And I guarantee that it would not be a "seamless" process. I have used certain other types of programs that profess to "read" FTM files. They do such a horrible job that I simply no longer use the program. I would rather do double entry (actually I use cut & paste) than have to fix an import of data. If you don't see a use for the program, don't use it. If you have a problem with Liz, send an email or letter to her to discuss the issue. If you want to "bash" Liz and/or Clooz, start another mailing list. The rest of us find the program useful and are on this mailing list to share ideas and help each other. Terri Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Garner" <jgarner@tbaytel.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction >I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to > be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for > the > program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program > and > may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I > think it is great. > > If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers > with > this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the > program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? > > Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go > good together. > > Keep up the good work, Liz. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> > To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > > >> Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of >> the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous >> points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a >> re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the >> various features that could be added to make the program useful. After >> working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design >> flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out >> told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program >> will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work >> with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that >> the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program >> that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to >> any analysis of research data already held. >> >> I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with >> it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that >> this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has >> provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be >> added. >> >> In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall >> and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar >> product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would >> be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, >> and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date >> and location - well there are a number of census records that you can >> get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide >> back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that >> would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that >> could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do >> research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the >> development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I >> had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would >> want to be experiencing at this point. >> >> Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most >> like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. >> Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of >> true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same >> as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed >> and simple. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have also been a Clooz user since the beginning. It does as advertised, it keeps track of my documents. I don't except it to do anything additional. The features that Liz has added over the years in the way of templates covers a very wide variety of possibilities. Many of which I have no use for, but I wouldn't think to ask her to remove them because they don't fit my purposes. I just don't use them. I consider it's interaction with Legacy, even if on a limited basis, to be above and beyond. What about the users of TMG, PAF, FTM etc. Should she have to design a program to interact with all of them as well? What is the responsibility of the programers from these other genealogy programs to create codes that interact with Clooz? Perhaps the solution is for Dick and Gary to band together, design their own program, pay their own software people, ask ALL their users for suggestions, then incorporate ALL of their suggestions into THEIR program. Or it might be easier if they just used the "unsubscribe" info at the bottom of the page. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C. --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. In a message dated 10/19/2006 11:02:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, jgarner@tbaytel.net writes: I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for the program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program and may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I think it is great. If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers with this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go good together. Keep up the good work, Liz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of > the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the > various features that could be added to make the program useful. After > working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design > flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out > told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program > will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work > with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that > the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program > that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to > any analysis of research data already held. > > I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with > it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that > this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be > added. > > In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall > and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar > product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would > be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, > and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date > and location - well there are a number of census records that you can > get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide > back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that > would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that > could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the > development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I > had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would > want to be experiencing at this point. > > Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most > like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. > Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of > true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same > as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed > and simple. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz, and thanks for your comments. I did sort of jump into things a little quickly, and I didn't mean to sound negative in my earlier post. I can already see some great benefits to using Clooz. Now, over the last couple days, have read through a good bit of the help files and have explored Clooz a little more. The help files did cover all my questions about sorting and searching. I apologize for not starting there first. Because I have entered a great deal of sources into Legacy already, I am still trying to make sure I do not have double-work in re-entering things that have already been entered in Legacy. I do see all my master sources conveniently being pulled in from Legacy. This is nice! However, every imported source has a "source type" in Clooz listed as "document." In Legacy, my source types are listed as other things, such as census, book, cemetery, etc. Do these not pull in to Clooz or am I missing something? I am going to keep exploring and I may have a few more questions. Mainly, I just make sure I understand what the software can do. It seems like a good idea to have Legacy's (or a gedcom's) information pulled in so one does not have to start from scratch entering sources. I'm just trying to figure out if I missed a step in getting my master sources to display the appropriate category. It sounds like the next version will address keeping the links between the sources in Legacy and the people those sources are already linked to. That sounds like it will be most helpful. Liz, do you also use Legacy? Is that why Clooz is designed to work with it (among other programs)? I will keep playing around with the software and will be evaluating is potential usefulness to me. I certainly don't want to seem critical as I am truly just starting to learn. Thanks for all the feedback. Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On 10/17/06, Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL <liz@ancestordetective.com> wrote: > At 09:49 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: > My comments follow the appropriate paragraphs below. > > >I can't help with Legacy issues, but maybe I can help with the sorting > >issue. After you open the People list by clicking on Link People, click on > >the Surname Column header. Then hold down the CTRL key and click on the > >Given Name column header. This will sort the list by Surname then Given > >Name. If you wish to further order the list, simply hold downt he CTRL key > >and then click on the column header. You will have to do this each time you > >wish to link someone as the window does not "remember" this order. > > You can also drag the surname column header into the space above the > column headers so that surnames are grouped together. Then click on > Given Name column header and the given names are sorted within a surname. > > > > In Legacy, I have set up a Master Source for each census year for each > > > county. Here's a sample of what some of my Source List Names look > > > like: > > > Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1920 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > > Census: Alabama, Barbour - 1930 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > > Census: Alabama, Bullock - 1900 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > > Census: Alabama, Chambers - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images] > > > > > > For each person find in each census, I create a census event and > > > transcribe the listing of the census in the notes section for that > > > event. > > > > > > For example, I have in one event note: > > > 1) George Gilreath, male age 74, farmer, $1000 real estate, $400 > > > personal estate, born in NC > > > 2) Sarah Gilreath, female age 72, domestic, born in NC, cannot write > > > 3) Larkin Gilreath, male age 41, farm labor, born in NC > > > 4) Sarah Gilreath, female age 30, domestic, born in NC > > > > > > Then I enter the citation details which are attached to the master > > > source. For example: > > > > > > "George N. Lewis household, 222 North Eufala St., Eufala, precint 5, > > > district 11, dwelling 71, family 74, page 4A, from National Archives > > > microfilm T625, roll 3, image 167" > > > > > > Last, I copy the whole event, source included, and paste it as an > > > event for each member of the whole family. > > > > > > Therefore, attached to each master source, I may have source details > > > for one, or for many, families. > > > > > > When I look in Clooz, all the census master sources show up under > > > "Source," but none of them show up in the appropriate "Census" > > > categories. Also, they all show up as a source type of "document" and > > > not as a book, newspaper, website, etc. as I have them listed in > > > Legacy. > > > > > > Then, when I go to the U.S. Federal Census in Clooz, it is empty. > > > Then I decided I could try to re-set up each Master Source by hand. > > Gail, you really need to read the Help in Clooz. It doesn't sound > like you have a handle on how Clooz works. If you use Clooz and > Legacy together, Clooz will see the sources that you have set up in > Legacy. But they are just that, sources. Clooz doesn't import the > notes that you have typed into Legacy because it wouldn't know where > to put the information. In order to use the census templates in > Clooz, you need to type in the information into the templates, and > link to one of your master sources. The source is where the > information is coming from. The templates in Clooz record the actual > information, as you have done in a notes field in Legacy. > > > > I saw how I could choose a census master source from the drop-down > > > box. So far, so good. However, in trying to link a person (for which > > > I have to switch to Legacy and "Show List"), I have to scroll through > > > a lengthy list (no way to just start typing and have it pull the ID > > > number up) and select the person. Also, while I can scroll by last > > > name, the first names are not the secondary sort. Therefore, two John > > > Smiths might not be together. Then it wants me to select a personal > > > file number and I'm not sure what would be appropriate here. > > Terri (above) described how to sort and find people in Clooz. This is > also covered in depth in the manual and in online help. The linking > of people to templates will improve in version 2.1, but you are able > to link people now. > > > > Can you give me some hope that I still might be able to get this to work? > > What I can say is that it seems you're making it too hard on > yourself. You should take some time to read the manual (which you can > download for free from www.clooz.com/downloads.htm) and understand > how Clooz works. It's completely different than Legacy, and has a > different purpose. And while the two programs talk somewhat, they > don't really "work together" in the sense that you think they do. > Clooz reads the Legacy database for people, sources and repositories. > That's it. The rest of the functions of Clooz are there because > they're not available in Legacy or other programs. While you can > transcribe the data from a census into the notes section, that data > isn't searchable or sortable in a variety of manners, allowing you to > look at your data in different ways. > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >

Hi I too, have used Clooz since the first version. I agree with Marie, it does do what is needed to keep track of documents. For those of us, who use other software, RM, TMG, PAF, FTM it is an easy copy and paste into Clooz with the information. GenSmarts talks to other software and does a good job for giving you additional research ideas. But I do not think this one should be attached to any software. I guess my only suggestion is to allow an existing database [mdb, csv,] that you have created, without knowing about Clooz, to be imported, like Access. Clooz offers additional programing features that are hard to set up in Access. For Working on my C. G., Clooz is an asset. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Family, Maternal, Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN; NE KY, Paternal, DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON; Researching in PA, IL Wessling, Somers, Schuler, Plagee/Plaggee, DeCourcy, Brownback, Pollock ======================================= Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:clooz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MVMcgrs@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:41 AM To: clooz@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction I have also been a Clooz user since the beginning. It does as advertised, it keeps track of my documents. I don't except it to do anything additional. The features that Liz has added over the years in the way of templates covers a very wide variety of possibilities. Many of which I have no use for, but I wouldn't think to ask her to remove them because they don't fit my purposes. I just don't use them. I consider it's interaction with Legacy, even if on a limited basis, to be above and beyond. What about the users of TMG, PAF, FTM etc. Should she have to design a program to interact with all of them as well? What is the responsibility of the programers from these other genealogy programs to create codes that interact with Clooz? Perhaps the solution is for Dick and Gary to band together, design their own program, pay their own software people, ask ALL their users for suggestions, then incorporate ALL of their suggestions into THEIR program. Or it might be easier if they just used the "unsubscribe" info at the bottom of the page. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C. --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. In a message dated 10/19/2006 11:02:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, jgarner@tbaytel.net writes: I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for the program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program and may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I think it is great. If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers with this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go good together. Keep up the good work, Liz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of > the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the > various features that could be added to make the program useful. After > working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design > flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out > told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program > will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work > with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that > the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program > that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to > any analysis of research data already held. > > I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with > it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that > this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be > added. > > In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall > and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar > product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would > be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, > and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date > and location - well there are a number of census records that you can > get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide > back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that > would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that > could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the > development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I > had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would > want to be experiencing at this point. > > Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most > like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. > Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of > true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same > as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed > and simple. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just noticed I forgot to sign this message. Sorry about that. Reagrds John Garner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Garner" <jgarner@tbaytel.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction >I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to > be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for > the > program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program > and > may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I > think it is great. > > If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers > with > this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the > program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? > > Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go > good together. > > Keep up the good work, Liz. >

I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for the program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program and may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I think it is great. If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers with this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go good together. Keep up the good work, Liz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of > the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the > various features that could be added to make the program useful. After > working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design > flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out > told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program > will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work > with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that > the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program > that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to > any analysis of research data already held. > > I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with > it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that > this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be > added. > > In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall > and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar > product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would > be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, > and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date > and location - well there are a number of census records that you can > get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide > back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that > would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that > could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the > development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I > had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would > want to be experiencing at this point. > > Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most > like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. > Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of > true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same > as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed > and simple. >

I don't understand why, other than the initial entry of names, people want clooz to interact with Legacy. I like clooz because I can list people that I do not put in FTM since I don't know if there is a relationship (but suspect there might be) to those whom I do have in the program, and then, if I do find out they are related, I have the information available in clooz. Georgia On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:54:14 -0400 "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> writes: > Well, Dick, you have truly blindsided me. I have never told you "you > > don't know what you are talking about." And, I have only removed one > > person EVER from the Clooz list because she was disruptive. I guess > > this is why you've failed to respond to my recent e-mails to you > where you had promised to write an article about the effective use > of > Clooz. An e-mail telling me you weren't going to write it, and why, > > would have been a productive thing to do. Last communication from > you > lead me to believe you were very happy with the new program. > > All of you are entitled to your opinions, of course. Developers of > programs have visions for their programs. I have visions for Clooz > and for the design intent. I have listened to many, many suggestions > > and have made a ton of design improvements. I don't think your > criticism of the program is fair. It is much more than new window > dressing on an old product. But the program does still retain its > original mission, which is a document-based program to catalog your > > finds. Making it work with Legacy, as limited as that coordination > is, happened because Legacy code was purchased for the GEDCOM > transfer. I never intended for Clooz to read everything from Legacy. > > And the complaint from the other writer about Legacy not writing to > > Clooz needs to be addressed to Millennia, not me. I can't make > another software write to my software. > > The reality remains that genealogy programs on the market today do > not have places to put all of the data that Clooz stores. Clooz > isn't > for everyone. That's why I offer a free download of the full program > > for 30 days testing, or 15 tries. You should be able to decide in > that time whether or not you like the program. > > At 11:27 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: > >Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one > of > >the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > >points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > >re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for > the > >various features that could be added to make the program useful. > After > >working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous > design > >flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat > out > >told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the > program > >will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to > work > >with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is > that > >the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a > program > >that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add > to > >any analysis of research data already held. > > > >I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run > with > >it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think > that > >this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > >provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could > easy be > >added. > > > >In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked > wall > >and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a > similiar > >product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and > would > >be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth > date, > >and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death > date > >and location - well there are a number of census records that you > can > >get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then > provide > >back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual > that > >would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those > that > >could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > >research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and > the > >development of code is tedious - but from the last communication > that I > >had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I > would > >want to be experiencing at this point. > > > >Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will > most > >like be removed from the list and then black listed from > re-subscribing. > >Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot > of > >true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but > same > >as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so > needed > >and simple. > > > > > > > >Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: > > > I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the > longest time > > > because previously I could seldom comment without knocking > Clooz. I > > > can't resist not commenting any longer. > > > > > > Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also > purchased the > > > current version in hopes of finding it more useful. > > > > > > I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz > interface. > > > Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is > imported into > > > Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. > Any > > > further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be > incorporated into > > > the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. > This > > > amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and > chance > > > for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. > > > > > > With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy > program, > > > most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and > more > > > reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. > > > > > > Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and > encourage the > > > building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is > there using > > > the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features > incorporated into > > > the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire > > > subscribership. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT > > > From: GH250@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source > Interaction > > > To: clooz@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but > have not > > > > > > continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the > advantage of > > > entering > > > the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the > > > information I > > > need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper > files. > > > What > > > am I not seeing? > > > > > > Glenda Holmes > > > Boulder, Colorado > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I agree! I don't expect my filing cabinet to tell me who, what, where, when like my genealogy program can. I expect to be able to find the papers I used to enter data into my program. Additionally, if you don't like the program, stop using it and don't spout off to the rest of us. jane Georgia P Clark wrote: >I don't understand why, other than the initial entry of names, people >want clooz to interact with Legacy. I like clooz because I can list >people that I do not put in FTM since I don't know if there is a >relationship (but suspect there might be) to those whom I do have in the >program, and then, if I do find out they are related, I have the >information available in clooz. > >Georgia > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:54:14 -0400 "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" ><liz@ancestordetective.com> writes: > > >>Well, Dick, you have truly blindsided me. I have never told you "you >> >>don't know what you are talking about." And, I have only removed one >> >>person EVER from the Clooz list because she was disruptive. I guess >> >>this is why you've failed to respond to my recent e-mails to you >>where you had promised to write an article about the effective use >>of >>Clooz. An e-mail telling me you weren't going to write it, and why, >> >>would have been a productive thing to do. Last communication from >>you >>lead me to believe you were very happy with the new program. >> >>All of you are entitled to your opinions, of course. Developers of >>programs have visions for their programs. I have visions for Clooz >>and for the design intent. I have listened to many, many suggestions >> >>and have made a ton of design improvements. I don't think your >>criticism of the program is fair. It is much more than new window >>dressing on an old product. But the program does still retain its >>original mission, which is a document-based program to catalog your >> >>finds. Making it work with Legacy, as limited as that coordination >>is, happened because Legacy code was purchased for the GEDCOM >>transfer. I never intended for Clooz to read everything from Legacy. >> >>And the complaint from the other writer about Legacy not writing to >> >>Clooz needs to be addressed to Millennia, not me. I can't make >>another software write to my software. >> >>The reality remains that genealogy programs on the market today do >>not have places to put all of the data that Clooz stores. Clooz >>isn't >>for everyone. That's why I offer a free download of the full program >> >>for 30 days testing, or 15 tries. You should be able to decide in >>that time whether or not you like the program. >> >>At 11:27 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >> >> >>>Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous >>>points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a >>>re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>various features that could be added to make the program useful. >>> >>> >>After >> >> >>>working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous >>> >>> >>design >> >> >>>flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat >>> >>> >>out >> >> >>>told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the >>> >>> >>program >> >> >>>will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to >>> >>> >>work >> >> >>>with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a >>> >>> >>program >> >> >>>that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>any analysis of research data already held. >>> >>>I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run >>> >>> >>with >> >> >>>it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has >>>provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could >>> >>> >>easy be >> >> >>>added. >>> >>>In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked >>> >>> >>wall >> >> >>>and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a >>> >>> >>similiar >> >> >>>product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth >>> >>> >>date, >> >> >>>and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death >>> >>> >>date >> >> >>>and location - well there are a number of census records that you >>> >>> >>can >> >> >>>get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then >>> >>> >>provide >> >> >>>back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do >>>research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>development of code is tedious - but from the last communication >>> >>> >>that I >> >> >>>had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>want to be experiencing at this point. >>> >>>Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will >>> >>> >>most >> >> >>>like be removed from the list and then black listed from >>> >>> >>re-subscribing. >> >> >>>Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but >>> >>> >>same >> >> >>>as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so >>> >>> >>needed >> >> >>>and simple. >>> >>> >>> >>>Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson-Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara- wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I have intentionally avoided posting to this list for the >>>> >>>> >>longest time >> >> >>>>because previously I could seldom comment without knocking >>>> >>>> >>Clooz. I >> >> >>>>can't resist not commenting any longer. >>>> >>>>Like Glenda I owned the earlier version of Clooz. I also >>>> >>>> >>purchased the >> >> >>>>current version in hopes of finding it more useful. >>>> >>>>I continue seeing postings asking about the Legacy/Clooz >>>> >>>> >>interface. >> >> >>>>Truth of the matter is once your original Legacy file is >>>> >>>> >>imported into >> >> >>>>Clooz, any practical connection between the two programs ceases. >>>> >>>> >> Any >> >> >>>>further additions/changes made in Legacy will not be >>>> >>>> >>incorporated into >> >> >>>>the Clooz data base unless you manually enter the information. >>>> >>>> >>This >> >> >>>>amounts to double entry posting. A complete waste of time and >>>> >>>> >>chance >> >> >>>>for error. Unbelievable in this age of technology. >>>> >>>>With a small number of program additions made to the Legacy >>>> >>>> >>program, >> >> >>>>most tracking/cataloging afforded by Clooz could as easily, and >>>> >>>> >>more >> >> >>>>reliably, be accomplished within the Legacy program. >>>> >>>>Please, if you are a user of Legacy, write to Millenia and >>>> >>>> >>encourage the >> >> >>>>building of modules to permit cataloging, the foundation is >>>> >>>> >>there using >> >> >>>>the File ID #. Unlike the other less useful features >>>> >>>> >>incorporated into >> >> >>>>the Legacy program, this addition would benefit their entire >>>>subscribership. >>>> >>>>Gary >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:59 EDT >>>>From: GH250@aol.com >>>>Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source >>>> >>>> >>Interaction >> >> >>>>To: clooz@rootsweb.com >>>>Message-ID: <bc5.4f1ad52.32662343@aol.com> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>>> >>>>I too am a user of Legacy and started using the old Clooz, but >>>> >>>> >>have not >> >> >>>>continued with the new Clooz. I am wondering what is the >>>> >>>> >>advantage of >> >> >>>>entering >>>>the data into both programs. It seems I can enter the all the >>>>information I >>>>need into Legacy, including my file numbers which refer my paper >>>> >>>> >> files. >> >> >>>>What >>>>am I not seeing? >>>> >>>>Glenda Holmes >>>>Boulder, Colorado >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> >>>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com >>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

We all use Clooz for our own purpose. I use The Master Genealogist program for my genealogy. I use Clooz as a file cabinet. I have files set up by State, by County in each state, and by surname. I also include bible records, school records, property records, birth records, death records every record that you can find. I do have my proven surname lines in Clooz, but I also have hundreds of names and articles that I have collect over the past 30 years, set up by state, county. record etc. that I don't know where they my fit into my proven lines, and they may never fit in my lines. I don't want those in TMG, but I like to have that information at my finger tips, and Clooz has been a valuable instrument to manage that task. Now my way of using Clooz is different than others, but it fits my needs, and keeps my material organized. If Clooz did not meet my needs, I'd check on other programs, but because other people do use Clooz and are happy with it, I wouldn't trash the program, and I sure wouldn't trash it on the Clooz mail list. Clooz is not made only for just Legacy, it is adaptable to most anyway you want to set up a filing system. If you didn't like Legacy, wouldn't you find another program that would fit your needs. If you don't like this program, just find another program, don't blame Liz for not meeting your expectations. Have a good day. Betty