At 03:48 AM 8/6/00 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >HELP!! Could someone please explain to me how to move an archived file to my >laptop. The manual says to put it on a floppy then onto the laptop hard >drive, rename, and open in Clooz. I can put it on a floppy and then onto >my laptop hard drive, but then I don't know how to open it in Clooz!! I >already have an existing database with my imported people on my laptop, but >no documents yet. If someone could please walk me through the steps I >would be forever grateful. > >Thank you. >Terri Terri, you open the database by clicking on the file folder icon on the Database Selection Screen, then changing the directory as appropriate to find your database, then double click on the database. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

At 05:21 PM 8/5/00 +0000, Karen Chappell wrote: >I did open my regular ACC ESS program to see how it works with the Clues >Database. In Access, I opened a blank new database. A dialog box >opened and I gave the new Database a name. Then under File, I chose Get >External Data and then import. Then I highlighted the name of my >Database in the standalone Clooz. It imported all the tables from the >stand alone Clooz. The only problem with this is that the Clooz >template has many tables built, but there are no queries, forms or >reports built. With the report function in ACCESS you can create >reports with as many "multiple selections" as you want. The only >problem is that you have to know how to use ACCESS. There is a Report >Wizard which can help you create the type of report that you want. There are not queries, forms or reports in the database you imported because those are contained in the main Clooz.mde file and are proprietary. You can make your own reports if you like, as long as you don't alter the structure of the tables so Clooz won't recognize them. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

>At 01:13 PM 8/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Liz & Karen, >> >>Thanks for the prompt replies! >> >>Now I can continue planning a numbering and filing system that fits within >>Clooz's parameters. However, the point I was trying to make in Question 3 >>is, is there a way to make "multiple selections" for a report as is implied >>in the manual? I take it the answer is "no" if you are using the >>stand-alone version of Clooz.. > >Yes you can make multiple selections for reports as stated in the manual. >You select one of the options called "Selected..." such as "Selected >Surnames" or "Selected Years". A box will come up and you can click on >whichever items you want in the report, and as many of them as you like. > >>In regards to the manual, I would like to compliment those who developed and >>designed the layout. I found the content easy to read because of all the >>open space and illustrations. The manual is well worth the time and material >>to print out a copy. It sits right next to my computer as I plan and work >>with Clooz. > >Thank you. It's nice to hear positive comments about the manual as that >isn't always the case. Thanks to Clooz user Dick Robinson for rewriting >the manual. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Mike, Sure, you can select multiple people at the same time without having to go back and select the link button. Just double-click each person you what associated with that document. It won't show who you've selected in the people screen but when you go back to your document, they will all be listed there. Pam -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dickson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: [Clooz] Selecting Multiple People >When linking people to a document, is there a way to select multiple people at one time without >having to select each individually and pushing the link button? > >If not, it sure would be nice to be able to make multiple selections using the CTRL or SHIFT keys >when clicking with the Mouse in some future version. > >For a document where you have many people (such as a family bible), it takes a long time to link >them individually, even though there names tend to be all together. > >Thanks, >Mike Dickson >

While I like many things about Clooz, the reports are very limited. Thus far I'm only using the documents, but I have been able to go into Access and develop a Query using several of the tables. By doing this I have been able to develop a report that gives me the PRN and report name, and some other items that I wanted. Since I'm using TMG (The Master Genealogist) I don't want to duplicate efforts, and thus I put the bare minimum amount of info into Clooz. I can do my research in TMG, but am using Clooz for what it is advertised as--an electronic filing system. Once I developed an Access query table that includes the items I want, I also discovered that I can instantly find an item (even if it's only one word in a source title) by using the Access binoculars. Lillian Cain

When linking people, I find it quicker to double click the person rather than use the link button each time. This goes much quicker when doing multiple people. David Williams Vancouver, BC Canada Researching Denbighshire -- BITHELL; MATTHEWS; WILLIAMS Herts -- HORNE Lincs -- BARRATT; OSBORN Staffs -- FLETCHER; HICKMAN; LAWLEY; PEDLEY; POWIS; WILKINSON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dickson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: August 5, 2000 15:49 Subject: [Clooz] Selecting Multiple People > When linking people to a document, is there a way to select multiple people at one time without > having to select each individually and pushing the link button? > > If not, it sure would be nice to be able to make multiple selections using the CTRL or SHIFT keys > when clicking with the Mouse in some future version. > > For a document where you have many people (such as a family bible), it takes a long time to link > them individually, even though there names tend to be all together. > > Thanks, > Mike Dickson >

Now I really need help. Today I archived for the first time. Luckily I only had a few documents in my database. I say luckily because now I can't find any of my people or my documents! I went into select database and selected the one with todays date, but it is empty - so is my other database. I do wonder where my data went! Any suggestions? Thanks! Terri

HELP!! Could someone please explain to me how to move an archived file to my laptop. The manual says to put it on a floppy then onto the laptop hard drive, rename, and open in Clooz. I can put it on a floppy and then onto my laptop hard drive, but then I don't know how to open it in Clooz!! I already have an existing database with my imported people on my laptop, but no documents yet. If someone could please walk me through the steps I would be forever grateful. Thank you. Terri

When linking people to a document, is there a way to select multiple people at one time without having to select each individually and pushing the link button? If not, it sure would be nice to be able to make multiple selections using the CTRL or SHIFT keys when clicking with the Mouse in some future version. For a document where you have many people (such as a family bible), it takes a long time to link them individually, even though there names tend to be all together. Thanks, Mike Dickson

Open Explorer, Tools, Find, for name of file type in *.mdb. This will result in a list of databases on your drive. Simply highlight the one you want to remove and press delete. Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Welch [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 8:10 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Clooz] Re: Clooz-D Digest V00 #115 > > > Does no one know how to delete a Clooz database? I asked the question > days ago. I saw my question in Clooz-D Digest VOO #113 but no response. > > Lee >

Re: Access You can open Explorer and do a Find and enter *.mdb. This should find the database you are looking for then you can do the query you want to, but it sorta negates the reason to use Clooz. I think Clooz needs to give users a bit more options when creating reports.We need more "if, then... Although I find that the reports in Clooz help to centralize things such as census reports for use in the library and such. > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Chappell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Clooz] Beginner's Questions > > > List, > > Partial Answer to Ron's Questions > > 1. What IS the maximum number of characters that will print on reports? > I experimented with this a bit. It seems like 13 is the maximum number > of characters that are available to be viewed when you open the Census > form to see your list of Census databases. It will take more characters > than that. However, it would not be convenient because they wouldn't be > easily viewable. The reports will show a few more characters than that, > say 17. However you still have the problem of the census file #'s not > being completely viewable in the census form. > > 2.. Why are there five Place Lists (Place 1, Place 2, etc) on the Edit > >Dropdown List? > > I find that the Cities, Counties, States and Country and Township are > more useful for my purposes of researching in the United States. I > believe that the other five places are designed to be used for places > that have different names such as Province, Parish, etc. In that case > before you enter your data you should pick one naming scheme and stick > with it. For instance, Place 1 = city, Place 2 = Province, Place 3 = > Parish, etc. There probably are better suited to meet the needs of > people researching outside the United States. > > Although, I am tempted to try Place #1 for Hospital names. Place #2 for > Cemetery Names and Place #3 for church names. I am currently putting > that info in my notes in my main genealogy program. > > Question #3 - I have only been able to pick one criteria for selecting a > report. A search of a certain suname, then I get a report of that > surname and it is sorted by location. All the Florida's together and > all the Tennessee > s together. I believe that if someone were very experienced with > Access, they could tell you how to make a query to make multiple > selection criteria. > > I will leave the indexing question to someone else, I haven't tried it > > Karen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Adams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:13 AM > Subject: [Clooz] Beginner's Questions > > > >List Members > > > >I'm new to Clooz. Received and installed the Stand-Alone Version 1.21 > last > >week; created a test database; imported some names from Family Origin > 8.03 > >successfully; printed and read the manual over the weekend; and am now > >experimenting with data entry and reports so I can decide on a filing > and > >numbering system. I have a file cabinet full of material so will > proceed > >cautiously. I have questions the manual does not address: > > > >1. It appears the Personal File # field will accept many more > characters > >than will print on reports. What IS the maximum number of characters > that > >will print on reports? Obviously, I don't want to exceed the printing > >limitation. > > > >2. Why are there five Place Lists (Place 1, Place 2, etc) on the Edit > >Dropdown List? What is the significant of each one and shouldn't a > person > >know this before entering places? > > > >3. How do you make multiple selections before you preview or print a > report? > >Reference the Manual, Part 4, Chapter 1, Page 68 "Select (such as > Select > >Census). This option gives you a report for a selected document or > person, > >such as the 1840 census from Detroit, MI, containing the Dohertys." > To me, > >this means you can filter out all other censuses, all other cities, and > all > >other surnames leaving you a report with ONLY the Dohertys located in > >Detroit, MI in the 1840 census. However, I have not figured out how to > do > >this. I can only get all the Dohertys or all the censuses in Detroit > or all > >the 1840 censuses. > > > >4. Can you print a simple index that you can file in front of the > 3-ring > >binders? At this point, all I see is a "full blown" report that has > more > >data than one needs in an index and you cannot print it in record > number > >order. Presently, I have three indexes in the front of my Marriage > Binder - > >by date, by groom, and by bride. Without an index, it appears you need > >access to your computer and Clooz to find which "page in the binder" is > Aunt > >Mary's marriage certificate. Or am I missing something? > > > >Sorry for the length of this but I do want to have a better > understanding > >before I begin this monumental project. > > > >Ron Adams > > > >Neighbor to Historical Fort Atkinson that overlooks the Missouri River > >Valley from Nebraska. > > > > > > >

Liz & Karen, Thanks for the prompt replies! Now I can continue planning a numbering and filing system that fits within Clooz's parameters. However, the point I was trying to make in Question 3 is, is there a way to make "multiple selections" for a report as is implied in the manual? I take it the answer is "no" if you are using the stand-alone version of Clooz.. In regards to the manual, I would like to compliment those who developed and designed the layout. I found the content easy to read because of all the open space and illustrations. The manual is well worth the time and material to print out a copy. It sits right next to my computer as I plan and work with Clooz. I'm looking forward to getting started and I appreciate the tips and ideas I see on this list. Ron Adams

Ron, I have not experimented with Clooz enough to see if you can make multiple selections. I did open my regular ACC ESS program to see how it works with the Clues Database. In Access, I opened a blank new database. A dialog box opened and I gave the new Database a name. Then under File, I chose Get External Data and then import. Then I highlighted the name of my Database in the standalone Clooz. It imported all the tables from the stand alone Clooz. The only problem with this is that the Clooz template has many tables built, but there are no queries, forms or reports built. With the report function in ACCESS you can create reports with as many "multiple selections" as you want. The only problem is that you have to know how to use ACCESS. There is a Report Wizard which can help you create the type of report that you want. I will read up on the Clooz Manual somemore to see if there is an easier way to make "multiple selections." Karen -----Original Message----- From: Ron Adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Beginner's Questions - Thanks! >Liz & Karen, > >Thanks for the prompt replies! > >Now I can continue planning a numbering and filing system that fits within >Clooz's parameters. However, the point I was trying to make in Question 3 >is, is there a way to make "multiple selections" for a report as is implied >in the manual? I take it the answer is "no" if you are using the >stand-alone version of Clooz.. > >In regards to the manual, I would like to compliment those who developed and >designed the layout. I found the content easy to read because of all the >open space and illustrations. The manual is well worth the time and material >to print out a copy. It sits right next to my computer as I plan and work >with Clooz. > >I'm looking forward to getting started and I appreciate the tips and ideas I >see on this list. > >Ron Adams > >

Does no one know how to delete a Clooz database? I asked the question days ago. I saw my question in Clooz-D Digest VOO #113 but no response. Lee

At 06:12 AM 8/5/00 +0000, Karen Chappell wrote: >List, > >Partial Answer to Ron's Questions > >1. What IS the maximum number of characters that will print on reports? >I experimented with this a bit. It seems like 13 is the maximum number >of characters that are available to be viewed when you open the Census >form to see your list of Census databases. It will take more characters >than that. However, it would not be convenient because they wouldn't be >easily viewable. The reports will show a few more characters than that, >say 17. However you still have the problem of the census file #'s not >being completely viewable in the census form. I'm actually putting the finishing touches on a patch that should be loaded up on the web soon. It expands the personal file number field on all reports. >2.. Why are there five Place Lists (Place 1, Place 2, etc) on the Edit > >Dropdown List? The place lists are where information for various place names within the Clooz templates go. Since the name may be city in one template and parish in another template, I've named them Place 1, etc. You don't have a choice where your data goes, but if you need to edit it, look for the information in these lists. >Question #3 - I have only been able to pick one criteria for selecting a >report. A search of a certain suname, then I get a report of that >surname and it is sorted by location. All the Florida's together and >all the Tennessee >s together. I believe that if someone were very experienced with >Access, they could tell you how to make a query to make multiple >selection criteria. To print one census report, click on the census from the selection screen then click on the icon with the paper and magnifying glass. This is explained in the manual. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Since the data is not primary data dealing with your birth, I'd enter it into the appropriate person's detail screen in the remarks section. At 11:10 PM 7/21/00 -0700, Shirley Jordan wrote: >I have just entered my first record into Clooze and already have a >question I can't seem to find an answer for in the manual. The record is a >document, my birth certificate, and I have linked myself, parents and >doctor, and added the appropriate source information. I added details on >each of the 4 people in their individual detail windows. > >My question is that date and place of birth and marriage place and date >are all included on my birth certificate and I don't know if or where I am >to enter this information. What do you do with extra date and place >information included on secondary persons in certain documents? > >Thanks, >Shirley Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

At 07:11 PM 7/21/00 -0700, you wrote: >I have gotten my people imported into Clooze into a database I call >"mysources.mdb", but everytime I start up the program I have to choose >which database to open. I have 3 choices, the sample one that came with >Clooze, my current on and another that I used to play with and have since >deleted called "Shirley's Sources.mdb". Why is this last one even showing >up? And when I select it I get the following error message: The references to databases you have opened in Clooz are stored in the program until you delete them. This is discussed in the manual. You can delete the reference by selecting Edit Lists from the Hub, then select Databases. Use the right arrow key to move to the reference you want to delete. Once you find it, hit the delete key. >Error 3075, Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression [System >Version] = '1.2' and [DatabaseName]='D:\Clooze\Shirley's Sources.mdb". This error is because of the apostrophe. For some reason, Clooz doesn't like apostrophes in database names. >I am a Mac user, running Clooze under Virtual PC, so I am not familiar >with the language of these error messages. > >Is there someway to just have Clooze automatically open "mysources.mdb" >when I first open the program? Get rid of the references to the other databases and it will be the only one to choose from. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

At 03:32 PM 8/2/00 -0700, Lee Welch wrote: >I created a database in Clooz that I decided I don't want. I'm sure I >saw this problem treated on this list some time ago but can't find it. >Also can't find it in the manual. Can anyone tell me how to delete a >database? > >Lee You can delete the database using Windows Explorer (click on Start/Programs/Windows Explorer), find the database where you stored it, click on it and hit the delete key. In Clooz, you'll need to delete the reference to the database by clicking on Edit Lists from the Hub, select Databases, then use the right arrow key on the little databases window that comes up to find the database you want to delete the reference to. Once you find it, click on the square to the left of the database number and hit the Delete key. This is discussed in the new Clooz Manual that you can download from http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

List, Partial Answer to Ron's Questions 1. What IS the maximum number of characters that will print on reports? I experimented with this a bit. It seems like 13 is the maximum number of characters that are available to be viewed when you open the Census form to see your list of Census databases. It will take more characters than that. However, it would not be convenient because they wouldn't be easily viewable. The reports will show a few more characters than that, say 17. However you still have the problem of the census file #'s not being completely viewable in the census form. 2.. Why are there five Place Lists (Place 1, Place 2, etc) on the Edit >Dropdown List? I find that the Cities, Counties, States and Country and Township are more useful for my purposes of researching in the United States. I believe that the other five places are designed to be used for places that have different names such as Province, Parish, etc. In that case before you enter your data you should pick one naming scheme and stick with it. For instance, Place 1 = city, Place 2 = Province, Place 3 = Parish, etc. There probably are better suited to meet the needs of people researching outside the United States. Although, I am tempted to try Place #1 for Hospital names. Place #2 for Cemetery Names and Place #3 for church names. I am currently putting that info in my notes in my main genealogy program. Question #3 - I have only been able to pick one criteria for selecting a report. A search of a certain suname, then I get a report of that surname and it is sorted by location. All the Florida's together and all the Tennessee s together. I believe that if someone were very experienced with Access, they could tell you how to make a query to make multiple selection criteria. I will leave the indexing question to someone else, I haven't tried it Karen -----Original Message----- From: Ron Adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:13 AM Subject: [Clooz] Beginner's Questions >List Members > >I'm new to Clooz. Received and installed the Stand-Alone Version 1.21 last >week; created a test database; imported some names from Family Origin 8.03 >successfully; printed and read the manual over the weekend; and am now >experimenting with data entry and reports so I can decide on a filing and >numbering system. I have a file cabinet full of material so will proceed >cautiously. I have questions the manual does not address: > >1. It appears the Personal File # field will accept many more characters >than will print on reports. What IS the maximum number of characters that >will print on reports? Obviously, I don't want to exceed the printing >limitation. > >2. Why are there five Place Lists (Place 1, Place 2, etc) on the Edit >Dropdown List? What is the significant of each one and shouldn't a person >know this before entering places? > >3. How do you make multiple selections before you preview or print a report? >Reference the Manual, Part 4, Chapter 1, Page 68 "Select (such as Select >Census). This option gives you a report for a selected document or person, >such as the 1840 census from Detroit, MI, containing the Dohertys." To me, >this means you can filter out all other censuses, all other cities, and all >other surnames leaving you a report with ONLY the Dohertys located in >Detroit, MI in the 1840 census. However, I have not figured out how to do >this. I can only get all the Dohertys or all the censuses in Detroit or all >the 1840 censuses. > >4. Can you print a simple index that you can file in front of the 3-ring >binders? At this point, all I see is a "full blown" report that has more >data than one needs in an index and you cannot print it in record number >order. Presently, I have three indexes in the front of my Marriage Binder - >by date, by groom, and by bride. Without an index, it appears you need >access to your computer and Clooz to find which "page in the binder" is Aunt >Mary's marriage certificate. Or am I missing something? > >Sorry for the length of this but I do want to have a better understanding >before I begin this monumental project. > >Ron Adams > >Neighbor to Historical Fort Atkinson that overlooks the Missouri River >Valley from Nebraska. > > >

I would certainly do it in Clooz. If you do want to keep unrelated people separate, you can create more than one Clooz database. I don't care if all the folks in my Clooz database are related, because many of my ancestors travelled with groups of people who may or may not have been related. If I can't find the ancestors' records, maybe I can trace their neighbors'. Clooz doesn't know or care if the persons you enter are related. I have folks in Clooz that aren't and may never be in my genealogy software. It still gives me ideas on where to look for possible records, though, if neighbors who came from the same place at about the same time have better indicators of just where that place is. (Eg, many of my ancestors came from Posen, Prussia, which is a state now in Poland. Getting a town or even a county makes a search possible that just saying "Posen" doesn't.) I do try not to assume that an unknown "Henry Smith" is the same Henry Smith I'm looking for, so I may have more than one Henry Smith forn about the same time in the same state. If they turn out to be the same person by further research, I'll put them together at that time. >>> Patricia Tidmarsh <[email protected]> 08/04/00 12:30PM >>> Another thing that puzzles me. I want search all the people in a small township and keep a record of the census. In other words make a of the censuses for 1850, 1860 and 1870 for a group of families Can I do this in Clooz? Or more practical to make a separate database, putting only people I am sure are related in the base?