At 12:02 PM 8/28/00 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >Hi - just tried to input information for an 1870 census - cannot type >anything in the box under Microfilm Publication # - I type M593, but nothing >appearsin the box - any suggestions - Fran What version of Clooz are you using? If it's 1.2, you need to download the patch at http://www.clooz.com/download.htm to version 1.22. This problem was taken care of in version 1.21 but version 1.22 contains all previous fixes. You can tell the version by looking in About Clooz under Help. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Hi, I'm new to the list and just purchased Clooz. I use TMG and am in need of assistance in importing names to Clooz. Plus, I'm interested in knowing if others who use TMG, find Clooz useful and how. Thanks so much! Carol

Hi - just tried to input information for an 1870 census - cannot type anything in the box under Microfilm Publication # - I type M593, but nothing appearsin the box - any suggestions - Fran

Hi, Does anyone know of a way to transfer details from one person to another. I ended up with some duplicate people, and unfortunately, the ones I had to keep were not the ones which were linked to some census and document records. What I want is for a new individual to end up with ALL the fields filled in that the old individual had. Thanks, Virginia

Hello Liz; I use both the Access 2000 Clooz and the Stand Alone version of Clooz. 1. I use the Access 2000 version on my desktop...in conjunction with Ftm software and as a backup to my laptops standalone version... and the ablility to create reports easier 2. I use the Stand Alone version on my Lap Top for trave purposes to have easy access to all my notes and Family History information sothat I elimate duplicate information. Will it be possible to upgrade both of these programs? Renee

Hello List, I'm looking for ideas. PROBLEM: I'm willing to change my present system to accommodate the filing principles in Clooz with an exception. I have a genealogy correspondence folder for each significant contributor. There are just a few but I am not willing to split the documents into their appropriate document folder/binder. These folders contain all types of documents. The quality of some data may be worthless while some is priceless. However, once it is scattered I would be unable to review it as a whole, to see if a subtle piece of information was overlooked. PROPOSED SOLUTION: I will record the documents in these folders and assign the appropriate Personal File #, record the number on the document, include the name of this folder somewhere in the detail form, and then return the document to the folder in alfa-numerical order. At the same time, I will create a cross-reference card that will be inserted where it belongs in the appropriate folder/binder. (At this time I am not positive if there is a place to record the folder name in all the detail forms) Any ideas would be appreciated. Ron Adams

My first Clooz project has been to develop a database of bibliographic sources: books, periodical articles, microrecords, CD-ROMs etc. I have either used, plan to examine or have already checked (with either positive or negative results). I entered a few titles in a Sources database as a trial. These sources are not linked to people. My questions at this point are regarding searches. Am I limited to a search by source title? Are keyword searches of all fields in the entire database an option? Also, can I edit the template, i.e. add or rename a field?

Christopher, I don't see the first row with the field names. That has to be in the import file at the very beginning. It's better for me to diagnose if you send me a copy of the cloozimp.txt file. Make sure you send it to [email protected] and don't hit reply to this message. This isn't a FAQ because I have to help people individually. Everyone has unique issues with this import problem. At 04:09 PM 8/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >I'm new to Clooz, and am having trouble importing names. I have tried >importing the text file in two separate ways. > >The error message I receive is the rather ambiguous: >"Import function was not successful." > >I have the Clooz v.1.21 stand alone version installed. Of course, the file >is "cloozimp.txt". > >I have used Word 2000 as the editor and saved as plain Text. I have since >opened it with the text editor, and it doesn't complain or show strange codes. > >I have tried two formats for the data: > >FORMAT 1: >31,Conaway,Elizabeth, >32,Conaway,Franklin, >26,Conaway,Harvey, >16,Conaway,Kate,25 April 1865,20 December 1881,22 December 1949 >194,Daily,Charlotte Evelyn, >390,Darden,George Washington, >389,Darden,Mary Suson,21 April 1825,24 December 1844,2 June 1896 >308,Davis,Henry, >297,Dobbins,Isom,7 June 1826, > >FORMAT 2: >31,Conaway,Elizabeth,,, >32,Conaway,Franklin,,, >26,Conaway,Harvey,,, >16,Conaway,Kate,25 April 1865,20 December 1881,22 December 1949 >194,Daily,Charlotte Evelyn,,, >390,Darden,George Washington,,, >389,Darden,Mary Suson,21 April 1825,24 December 1844,2 June 1896 >308,Davis,Henry,,, >297,Dobbins,Isom,7 June 1826,, > >I realize this is probably a common question, but I couldn't find a FAQ or >anything else that answered my questions. So I turn to the wisdom of the list. > >Does anyone have any ideas? I suspect my formatting is incorrect somehow. > >Thanks for the advice. > >Christopher King >Mundelein, Illinois Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I'm new to Clooz, and am having trouble importing names. I have tried importing the text file in two separate ways. The error message I receive is the rather ambiguous: "Import function was not successful." I have the Clooz v.1.21 stand alone version installed. Of course, the file is "cloozimp.txt". I have used Word 2000 as the editor and saved as plain Text. I have since opened it with the text editor, and it doesn't complain or show strange codes. I have tried two formats for the data: FORMAT 1: 31,Conaway,Elizabeth, 32,Conaway,Franklin, 26,Conaway,Harvey, 16,Conaway,Kate,25 April 1865,20 December 1881,22 December 1949 194,Daily,Charlotte Evelyn, 390,Darden,George Washington, 389,Darden,Mary Suson,21 April 1825,24 December 1844,2 June 1896 308,Davis,Henry, 297,Dobbins,Isom,7 June 1826, FORMAT 2: 31,Conaway,Elizabeth,,, 32,Conaway,Franklin,,, 26,Conaway,Harvey,,, 16,Conaway,Kate,25 April 1865,20 December 1881,22 December 1949 194,Daily,Charlotte Evelyn,,, 390,Darden,George Washington,,, 389,Darden,Mary Suson,21 April 1825,24 December 1844,2 June 1896 308,Davis,Henry,,, 297,Dobbins,Isom,7 June 1826,, I realize this is probably a common question, but I couldn't find a FAQ or anything else that answered my questions. So I turn to the wisdom of the list. Does anyone have any ideas? I suspect my formatting is incorrect somehow. Thanks for the advice. Christopher King Mundelein, Illinois

David, do you have Access 97 or Access 2000? If not, you're using the stand-alone version. If you do, only you can tell which you installed. There's really no way to tell in the program. The only way to tell is to look at the Properties for the Clooz icon to see what directions are given for opening the program. Let me know if you need help with that. At 06:28 AM 8/25/00 +1000, David Barlow wrote: >For a number of reasons which I won't go into here, but which reflect my >stupidity rather than any defect in Clooz, I have had to uninstall and >re-install Clooz several times. Can anyone tell me how I find out which >version of Clooz is my current one? I need to know, apparently, in order to >download the right patch. > >Thanks, > >David Barlow >Melbourne, Australia Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

For a number of reasons which I won't go into here, but which reflect my stupidity rather than any defect in Clooz, I have had to uninstall and re-install Clooz several times. Can anyone tell me how I find out which version of Clooz is my current one? I need to know, apparently, in order to download the right patch. Thanks, David Barlow Melbourne, Australia

Well, as usual in my business life, nothing goes quite perfectly. If you went to my new Clooz web site to download the patch before about 9 a.m. today, you downloaded the version 1.21 patch from the Ancestor Detective Web site. This was because we forgot to update the links on that page. The links are correct now. If you downloaded the Clooz stand-alone/Access 97 version 1.22 before 12:15 p.m. today, you may experience a sort order problem. Thankfully a Clooz user pointed this out to me in time to catch the new CDs that are being created. I have fixed this problem and have put up a new patch. So, if you've already downloaded the patch (only the stand-alone/Access 97 one), you should download again. The Access 2000 patch did not have this problem. I apologize for this. I was trying to fix a problem for a customer in another country and forgot to switch the sort order back to where it should be. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Hi Karen Chappell and List, I handle census data much like Lillian Cain, my genealogy program allows me to find, sort, and make standard and custom reports that sound similar to what you are seeking. On the other hand, Clooz tells us all the documents we have (and where they're filed) on a person regardless if it's a census record or something else. I use Family Origins and unlike some programs it allows you to attach a "Source" and a "Note" to every fact/event you record about a person. I'll bore you with the steps I take recording a census to give you some idea how I take advantage of my genealogy program. 1. I compose an abstract in my word processor: 1870 U. S. CENSUS ABSTRACT: This census shows the George Stewart household living in Dover Township, Pope County, Arkansas. The household includes George 30, Jane L. 28, Georgian 7, Daniel 4, and Hasky Ellen 1. Both parents were born in Tennessee and the children in Arkansas. George is a farmer with real estate valued at $300 and personal estate at $550. (187-190, Page 27/348 Line 6, dated 26 Jun 1870) Abstract by Ronald J. Adams. 2. Then in my genealogy program, I create a new "Census" fact for each person that is named in the census. If it is the census that shows parent's birthplaces, I create a census fact for each of their records too even if I don't know their name. I would name one [Father of George Stewart] and the other [Mother of George Stewart] until I found their correct name. 3. Then when I create the new "Census" fact for a person, I enter: a. DATE it was enumerated. (26 Jun 1870) b. PLACE census was taken (Dover Township, Pope County, Arkansas) c. SOURCE (1870 U. S. Census) and CITATION (George Stewart Household) d. NOTE (Here I paste in the abstract if this person is the head of household or is a direct ancestor. If they are neither, the citation (George Stewart Household) tells me where I can find the abstract should it be important later. e. This completes the census data entry. f. In the case of George Stewart, his individual record shows four "Census" facts because I found him in 1840, 1850, 1860, and the 1870 censuses. When I go to any person's record on the screen or print it out in certain reports, all his/her facts (Birth, Marriage, Immigration, Census, etc.) are listed in chronological order showing the date and place. (This is some of the information you were looking for in Clooz) If I want to, I can create custom reports showing the "Census" data sorted in different ways. I apologize for the length of this but I'm one of those people who will tell you how to make a watch when you just ask for the time of day. Hope this gives you some ideas. Ron Neighbor to Historical Fort Atkinson that overlooks the Missouri River Valley from Nebraska.

There’s plenty of news from Ancestor Detective, LLC for you in this Clooz Newsletter. I hope that everyone is having a wonderful summer and that you’ve been able to spend some time outside–instead of just in front of the computer organizing your files! I’ve been taking time here and there to literally smell the roses (I have 32 rose bushes!). But I’ve also been busy working on Clooz and Clooz-related products and issues. New Print Clooz User’s Manual Available After receiving many requests for a printed manual, I succumbed to the pressure and had the manual printed. It’s identical to the manual that comes on the Clooz CD or that you can download from my Web site. The manual is 104 pages, has better images of the reports, and is handy for those who like to have a physical manual to hold while they’re learning a program. The manual cover reflects the new look for Clooz that will be incorporated into the next run of CDs as well as my new Web site (discussed below). The cover was designed by my brother and webmaster, Scott Kelley, of Lightspeed Networks. The manual sells separately for $14.95 plus shipping and can be ordered directly from the Ancestore at <http://www.ancestordetective.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=A&Product_Code=manual&Category_Code=Software>. New Clooz Web Site With this newsletter I am announcing the opening of the new Clooz Web site at <http://www.clooz.com>. Scott’s been very busy designing the site, making it more accessible and user friendly. Please take a look. We’re not completely finished with the design makeover from the Ancestor Detective site, but we’re almost there. There will soon be a redirect in place from the old Clooz site to the new Clooz site, in case you go to the old address. Clooz Version 1.22 Patch Available for Download A version 1.22 patch is now available for download from the new Clooz Web site at <http://www.clooz.com/download>. The patch has three items that were fixed in it: * The All Sources report now works properly. * The Personal File ID number field was enlarged on all reports so long ID numbers will appear on the reports. * The Photo report puts linked people in alphabetical order. When you go to download the patch, you’ll find that you need to contact me for a serial number. I’ve finally incorporated serial numbers into Clooz and current users will have to send an e-mail to [email protected] in order to receive the serial number required for installation of the patch. When you send the e-mail, please be sure to give me your name, address, and the version of Clooz you are installing (i.e. stand-alone, Access 97, or Access 2000). I’ll write back with your serial number. I expect I’ll be deluged with serial number requests in the next week, so please be patient with me as I try to answer everyone. One of the main reasons I’ve incorporated serial numbers at this time is because I’ve finally got a Clooz Demo available (see below). The serial number allows us to ensure that only registered users of the program are downloading the patch. So, if you haven’t sent in your registration card, you’ll need to do that before requesting the serial number from me. When I get your e-mail, I’ll check my database to see if you’re registered or not. If you are, you’ll get a serial number; if you aren’t, I’ll ask you to send in the registration card you received with Clooz. If you no longer have the registration card, I’ll need to see a copy of the receipt that states you purchased Clooz. You can mail or fax the receipt to me, but registration cards must be mailed in. Eventually I hope to institute online registration, but I’m not there yet. New Downloadable Clooz User’s Manual Available There is a new version of the Clooz User’s Manual Available for download from <http://www.clooz.com/pub/manual.exe>. This manual is identical to the new printed version, and has better navigational tools in it and the reports are now readable. Clooz Demo Now Available After many requests, I have finally managed to put together a Clooz Demo that is available for download from <http://www.clooz.com/pubs/demosetup.exe>. The Clooz Demo is the full program, but has a limitation of entering only 50 people and excluding imports. Those interested in trying the program before buying it can download the demo and take it for a test drive. In order to go beyond 50 people, or to import people, prospective users will have to purchase the full version. A word of caution–the demo download is 12 MB. I couldn’t get it smaller than that. FGS Conference I’ll be vending at the Federation of Genealogical Societies Conference in Salt Lake City, which starts two weeks from today. Please stop by booth 128 and say hi. While you’re there, you’ll be able to learn about a new project I’ve been working on. I’m signed up to give a Clooz demo before the sessions begin on Saturday, 9 September. Ireland Again this year I’m one of the co-directors of the National Genealogical Society-sponsored Research Trip to Dublin. I’m leaving for Ireland on 18 September and won’t return home until 13 October! After the work is done, I’ll be touring around the country a bit. While I’m in Ireland, I’ll be checking my e-mail frequently, as I did last year. So technical support will continue. My husband has agreed to fill orders received for part of the time I’m gone, but he’ll be joining me in Ireland, so Ancestor Detective will be closed 2-15 October. Genealogical Computing If you haven’t seen the new GC yet, you’re missing help and advice from some great authors in the field of genealogy and technology. For those that don’t know, I’m the managing editor of GC, and am working on my fourth issue. We’ve received a lot of compliments on the new look and the articles. If you’d like to subscribe, go to Ancestry.com’s Web site at <http://www.ancestry.com>. I’m writing a column also on Ancestry.com called “GC Extra,” where I explore issues of technology and genealogy. The column is posted every Thursday. In tomorrow’s column, I discuss accessories for laptop users on the road. Visit GC Extra at <http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/extra/extra.asp> That’s all for now! Keep organizing but don’t forget to smell the roses! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC Creator of Clooz Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I, too, feel that the reports leave much to be desired. However, having made a couple of my own reports in Access I am more enthusiastic about the program. According to the ads, Clooz is an electronic filing cabinet. It's excellent for filing all the documents. It is not a genealogy program. Most of the things that people say they want to do can be done with a genealogy research program such as TMG. Thus far I've only used the Document and Photograph templates. I use the Documents for everything. I haven't yet but will probably use it for census. My census info is in TMG, and I can do a variety of census reports in TMG. What I will do in Clooz is simply to put the title of the document (ex. 1850 Mass Census) and then probably put the people--or at least head of family. My census "document" will be the form I used to copy the census. Clooz will give me the number of my form (ex. CEN 0001), and a list of people. From that I can tell if I have copied out the census for a particular person and where my form is. Because I only put the bare minimum into Clooz, it does not take me long to put in my info. I haven't had much time to devote to Clooz lately, but I'm pleased with how quickly I can complete each Clooz document by only putting in a minimum of info. (I already have complete info for each census, for example, in TMG.) I think the report that lists by category (ex. VRs, ARTicles, CERTificate, etc) and lists people within each category is very useful. I don't find the other reports helpful. In Access I've done a report that gives me the PRN and Document title, along with people associated with each document. I wish I could have this report in Clooz but haven't found a way to do it. I'd also like a simple report that lists everyone alphabetically with whatever documents they appear in. (i.e. alphabetical list of people and PRNs associated with them). I don't find the people reports helpful because they include everyone. I can get that list from TMG. I hope these comments are helpful and not too critical. I'm certainly glad I got Clooz and think it's excellent for what it's designed for. If I knew more Access (I'm slowly teaching myself) I'd be happier because I think I could get exactly the reports I want. Lillian Cain

Since Clooz has been on the market, I've been asking for suggestions from users on how to improve the program. I have incorporated all of the suggestions that I have been able to so far. I am always open to suggestion and this is a great time to send these suggestions because work will begin soon on Clooz version 2.0. This version will be written in Visual Basic, which will give me a lot more flexibility with a lot of the items that people are asking for, such as better reports and search capabilities. Some suggestions received are very doable, while others will take a lot of work or may not even be possible or in the realm of the mission of the program. In my use of Clooz, I have never relied a lot on the reports, which is probably why the reports aren't what a lot of people would like them to be. I do most of my analysis right in Clooz. And if you wonder if I use the program all that much--I do. A lot of little tweaks and improvements happen to the program because I am a constant user of the program. I'm trying very hard lately to get all of my papers entered and filed because I'm tired of not knowing everything I have when I go on a research trip. I loath having extra paper, which is why I don't print a lot of the reports. So, your suggestions are extremely useful in this regard because I need to know how you want the reports to retrieve your information. In response to Franklin's message below, even if the reports aren't exactly as you would have them be today, Clooz still stores all of the data. This means that if you need a specific report to do a specific thing, the data will be there, just the report needs to be created. If you're happy with Excel, fine, but Excel is not a relational database and can't do the same things that Clooz can do in that regard. At 07:17 PM 8/22/00 -0400, FWI wrote: >I am also very interested in this very problem or challenge. In fact, if >Clooz can not do something that approximates what Karen needs or wants >regarding Census Data analysis, Clooz will be of limited use for me. I have >not yet decided to buy Clooz for this very reason. I have downloaded the >Manual and am reading it and reading notices on the Clooz List. > >I will stick with my use of Excel to do my Census Analysis if Clooz can not >do a better job. >Franklin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Chappell" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:26 PM >Subject: [Clooz] > > > > Group, > > > > I appreciate all the hard work Liz has put into the program. But I too, >would like to see, it perform more indexing. For instance, I carefully >enter where the parents of each person are born. But, the only report that >contains this information is the report that shows that actual census. > > I would like to see a report where you pull up that individual and it >shows the locations where the census says his parents lived for each census >report on that individual. (Say for instance, you have four census reports >for that individual.) Obviously, you would expect these to say the same >thing. But how would you know there was a discrepancy unless you manually >look at each census? If three of these reports say the same thing and one >is different, you might be able to start concluding that the information in >the "odd" report was given by a neighbor or someone who didn't know all the >details for that family. > > Another suggestion, what about a report that shows discrepancies between >the census information you have entered and the data in the people list. >You could look for ages that are more than two years different from the age >expected by the birth date posted in the people list. > > Has anyone created their own specialized queries or reports? Is so would >you care to share with the group? > > Karen Chappell > > > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I am also very interested in this very problem or challenge. In fact, if Clooz can not do something that approximates what Karen needs or wants regarding Census Data analysis, Clooz will be of limited use for me. I have not yet decided to buy Clooz for this very reason. I have downloaded the Manual and am reading it and reading notices on the Clooz List. I will stick with my use of Excel to do my Census Analysis if Clooz can not do a better job. Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Chappell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: [Clooz] > Group, > > I appreciate all the hard work Liz has put into the program. But I too, would like to see, it perform more indexing. For instance, I carefully enter where the parents of each person are born. But, the only report that contains this information is the report that shows that actual census. > I would like to see a report where you pull up that individual and it shows the locations where the census says his parents lived for each census report on that individual. (Say for instance, you have four census reports for that individual.) Obviously, you would expect these to say the same thing. But how would you know there was a discrepancy unless you manually look at each census? If three of these reports say the same thing and one is different, you might be able to start concluding that the information in the "odd" report was given by a neighbor or someone who didn't know all the details for that family. > Another suggestion, what about a report that shows discrepancies between the census information you have entered and the data in the people list. You could look for ages that are more than two years different from the age expected by the birth date posted in the people list. > Has anyone created their own specialized queries or reports? Is so would you care to share with the group? > Karen Chappell > >

Group, I appreciate all the hard work Liz has put into the program. But I too, would like to see, it perform more indexing. For instance, I carefully enter where the parents of each person are born. But, the only report that contains this information is the report that shows that actual census. I would like to see a report where you pull up that individual and it shows the locations where the census says his parents lived for each census report on that individual. (Say for instance, you have four census reports for that individual.) Obviously, you would expect these to say the same thing. But how would you know there was a discrepancy unless you manually look at each census? If three of these reports say the same thing and one is different, you might be able to start concluding that the information in the "odd" report was given by a neighbor or someone who didn't know all the details for that family. Another suggestion, what about a report that shows discrepancies between the census information you have entered and the data in the people list. You could look for ages that are more than two years different from the age expected by the birth date posted in the people list. Has anyone created their own specialized queries or reports? Is so would you care to share with the group? Karen Chappell

>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:31:12 -0700 >X-From_: [email protected] Mon Aug 21 14:31:12 2000 >From: "Norb & Ruth" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Entering a book index in surname field >Old-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:34:53 -0600 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list >X-Diagnostic: 53 [email protected] 32749 [email protected] >X-Envelope-To: Clooz-D-request > >Susan is a gem in sharing "tips" she receives privately from fellow Clooz >users. On July 24th she shared a tip from Karen on using the surname field >to file photos. Has anyone tried to enter book excerpts in that manner? I >have an index (in book form)of West Virginia Revolutionary Ancestors and >would like to link several people to this source. Does anyone have >experience or thoughts on this? >Ruth Hattendorf Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.ancestordetective.com/clooz.htm Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Two items: 1. How do you really USE Clooz reports? 2. Need for a better All Persons Report. 1. Okay... I've entered into Clooz almost all of my documents, and I've read the bulk of the manual. While the manual tells me how to enter things, and what reports look like when they're printed, what the manual does not say is how can I really make use of all this data that I've entered into the database. In other words, what would I use each of the reports FOR? How will they help me in my genealogy efforts? I'd appreciate people sharing here how they actually USE these reports in their work. What is helpful about them? (And then I think the answers should be incorporated into the next version of the manual-- in the section where the sample reports are provided.) 2. In thinking about #1, I realize that the All Persons Report doesn't really do much for me that my genealogy program doesn't already do. Why would I want an All Persons report, especially when it doesn't include any of the document information I've included in Clooz? It contains only the information I already have in my genealogy program. The only use *I* can see of an all persons report would be to have a list of all people in my Clooz database, in order to know which records (census, directories, etc.) that I have for each one. Right now, the only way I can do this is to print out a report for each person. If I had such a list, then I'd be able to tell by reviewing the list, who I needed to do research on, or obtain documents for. This gets me back to question #1: How do I really USE Clooz as a tool in moving closer to my genealogy research goals? Thanks! -- Jillaine Smith, Washington DC http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine BETZ; Feilbingert, Rheinpfalz, Germany; 1600-1850* BOGDONOFF; Russia/Poland (to New England) 1870-present DRESSEL; Feilbingert, Rheinpfalz, Germany; 1600-1850 ERHARDT; Unterreichenbach, Calw Wuerttemberg, Germany; 1700-1850* FASSNACHT; Altensteig, Wuerttemberg, Germany; 1600-1850* GLUNZ; Swaebisch Hall, Germany; 1750-1850* JAUCH; Baden, Germany; 1750-1850* SCHMIDT; Baden, Germany; 1800-1850* SEEGER: Rohrdorf, Donaukreis, Wurttemberg: 1600-1850 SESS; Grevesmuehl, Germany; 1803-1900 (to Cincinnati, OH abt. 1840) WAGNER; Feilbingert, Rheinpfalz, Germany; 1700-1850 * Also: Buffalo, New York, USA; 1847-present _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com