I agree R.D. Cummings wrote: > For those new to the list or who have just recently purchased the > CLOOZ program. > > I have never purchased a software program in which I have received > such excellent and timely answers to my requests for assistance. > > Liz does an outstanding job of keeping us informed of program > updates and helping everyone with their questions. > > > THANKS Liz!!! > > RD Cummings > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS" >> > <[email protected]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Clooz] tech support >>> >>> >>>> At 01:44 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Kim Paterson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Having recently purchased Clooz, I am not familiar with all >>>> > its > >>> terminology. >>> >>>>> I have not been able to import my list of people from The >>>> > Master > >>> Genealogist >>> >>>>> and have sent tech support two emails, over a two week time, >>>> > and > >>> have had no >>> >>>>> response from them. >>>>> >>>>> How does one get support? Or, is this the full extent of it? >>>> >>>> I responded to your e-mail of 17 November on 21 November. I >>> > was > >>> out of >>> >>>> town, which is the only reason for the delay. Apparently you >>> >>> didn't get my >>> >>>> response? I hit reply to your e-mail address. You get support >>> > just > >>> like you >>> >>>> did and I responded as soon as I could. I always answer >>> > e-mails as > >>> quickly >>> >>>> as I can get to them. >>>> >>>>> I was successful in exporting out of TMG into an excel sheet >>>> >>> using the comma >>> >>>>> delimited File Type. I then made what I thought were the >>>> > correct > >>> headings >>> >>>>> ie: PersonalID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear. (TMG has >>>> > not > >>> marriage year >>> >>>>> export). It will not import--tells me my ID # are not >>>> > numerical > >>> after >>> >>>>> 563--I have checked, rechecked all 2217 of them and they all >>>> >>> appear the same >>> >>>>> as the first 562. Then it spouts another error message. >>>> >>>> Page 25 of the Manual says the headings should be: >>>> PersonID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear >>>> You have "PersonalID", which won't work. >>>> >>>> Also, the error message is very helpful. You need to look at >>> > the > >>> ID number >>> >>>> that it gives you and somewhere in that line or one >>> > immediately > >>> adjacent to >>> >>>> it, you have too many or too few commas. You must have the >>> > same > >>> amount of >>> >>>> commas in every line, and the number needs to equal the number >>> > of > >>> commas in >>> >>>> the first row with the field names. This is a very helpful >>> > error > >>> message as >>> >>>> it points you right to the line with the problem. >>>> >>>> I'm sorry you have had trouble reaching me. I'm one of one in >>> > my > >>> business >>> >>>> and try to be as responsive as possible. I answered your >>> > e-mail > >>> and don't >>> >>>> know why you didn't get it. >>>> >>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS >>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________ >>> >> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS >> Ancestor Detective, LLC >> http://www.ancestordetective.com >> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >

Ruth I agree, I think we all would benefit all of us with the answers, some of us are shy in asking, or never thought of that question. So please give your answers to the list. Judy Lindley ----- Original Message ----- From: Norb & Ruth <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Tracking Negative Findings > I'm waiting for a response about tricks to recording negative findings. Is > it possible someone responded directly to Debra and not to the list? I get > frustrated when questions are posed and never answered. I have received some > wonderful "private" responses and really believe others would benefit. > Anyone else care to comment on this. > Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: Debra Pettibone <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:55 AM > Subject: [Clooz] Tracking Negative Findings > > > >I'm a new user and have found the program great. But wondering how one > would use it to track negative research findings > > > >Say I look for a house hold in The 1850 Sumner Co. Census and they aren't > there. How would I incorporate this so that I don't duplicate my searches? > > > >Anyone out there have an idea? > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Debra > > > >______________________________ > >

For those new to the list or who have just recently purchased the CLOOZ program. I have never purchased a software program in which I have received such excellent and timely answers to my requests for assistance. Liz does an outstanding job of keeping us informed of program updates and helping everyone with their questions. THANKS Liz!!! RD Cummings > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:55 PM > >Subject: Re: [Clooz] tech support > > > > > > > At 01:44 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Kim Paterson wrote: > > > >Having recently purchased Clooz, I am not familiar with all its > >terminology. > > > >I have not been able to import my list of people from The Master > >Genealogist > > > >and have sent tech support two emails, over a two week time, and > >have had no > > > >response from them. > > > > > > > >How does one get support? Or, is this the full extent of it? > > > > > > I responded to your e-mail of 17 November on 21 November. I was > >out of > > > town, which is the only reason for the delay. Apparently you > >didn't get my > > > response? I hit reply to your e-mail address. You get support just > >like you > > > did and I responded as soon as I could. I always answer e-mails as > >quickly > > > as I can get to them. > > > > > > >I was successful in exporting out of TMG into an excel sheet > >using the comma > > > >delimited File Type. I then made what I thought were the correct > >headings > > > >ie: PersonalID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear. (TMG has not > >marriage year > > > >export). It will not import--tells me my ID # are not numerical > >after > > > >563--I have checked, rechecked all 2217 of them and they all > >appear the same > > > >as the first 562. Then it spouts another error message. > > > > > > Page 25 of the Manual says the headings should be: > > > PersonID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear > > > You have "PersonalID", which won't work. > > > > > > Also, the error message is very helpful. You need to look at the > >ID number > > > that it gives you and somewhere in that line or one immediately > >adjacent to > > > it, you have too many or too few commas. You must have the same > >amount of > > > commas in every line, and the number needs to equal the number of > >commas in > > > the first row with the field names. This is a very helpful error > >message as > > > it points you right to the line with the problem. > > > > > > I'm sorry you have had trouble reaching me. I'm one of one in my > >business > > > and try to be as responsive as possible. I answered your e-mail > >and don't > > > know why you didn't get it. > > > > > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS > > > Ancestor Detective, LLC > > > http://www.ancestordetective.com > > > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > > > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > > > > > > ______________________________ > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I'm waiting for a response about tricks to recording negative findings. Is it possible someone responded directly to Debra and not to the list? I get frustrated when questions are posed and never answered. I have received some wonderful "private" responses and really believe others would benefit. Anyone else care to comment on this. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Debra Pettibone <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: [Clooz] Tracking Negative Findings >I'm a new user and have found the program great. But wondering how one would use it to track negative research findings > >Say I look for a house hold in The 1850 Sumner Co. Census and they aren't there. How would I incorporate this so that I don't duplicate my searches? > >Anyone out there have an idea? > >Thanks in advance, >Debra > >______________________________

>At 08:20 AM 11/30/00 -0700, you wrote: >>I have version Clooz 1.2. Has there been a further update? >>I received this update many months ago and when installed erased my >>database of names already, through much agony, installed. I tried >>several times to reinstall with advice from many on this list, but to no >>avail. Because of other committments and so forth, I am just getting >>back to resolving this problem, which I note seems to be a major problem >>for many Clooz users. > >Clooz does not erase databases. Period. When you install a newer version, >the new version does not contain the paths to the databases you may have >created earlier, so you have to reestablish the links. But it doesn't >delete your databases. If you look in your files, you'll find your >databases, unless you've deleted them. I don't know what you mean by this >is a major problem for many Clooz users. I take exception to that as Clooz >doesn't erase databases! Every time I have released a new patch or >version, I've warned people that the links in the database will be gone, >but you only need to reestablish the links by clicking on the file folder >icon on the Select or Create a Database screen, then change directories to >where your database is stored, and double click on the database, then >click Select. Your linkage between Clooz and the database will be >reestablished. > >>I have TMG, version 4x, gold edition. The directions in the Clooz manual >>do NOT work for transferring names, etc to Clooz. Since I continually >>see that others often have this same problem, would it not be prudent to >>print updated and accurate directions for transferring names into Clooz? >>Thank you very much. Bonnie Samuel at [email protected] > >The directions were given to me by a TMG user. I am not a TMG user, >therefore I rely on others for accurate information. My records show you >have version 1.1 not 1.2, so I think you're not being fair in criticizing >the program since the manual has been completely rewritten since you >purchased it, and I've put out versions 1.2, 1.21, and 1.22. Why don't you >spend $5 plus shipping to upgrade to version 1.22 and see for yourself how >the program works instead of shooting in the dark? > >Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS >Ancestor Detective, LLC >http://www.ancestordetective.com >Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

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The info you enter in the "people" screen is merely to remind oneself of the specific person, maybe among those of similar names. Put whatever marriage date does that for you. You are NOT establishing spousal relationships in Clooz, that is the function of your main genealogy data base. > >[email protected] wrote: > > > >I have an ancestor with three marriages; on the >first page where you > record >the #, surname, given name, birth, marriage and >death dates, which > date is to >be recorded? I want to be sure that it is clear >that there > are three, >however I am only able to record one. How have any >of you > solved this >dilemma? > > > As to the person questioning tech support; Liz ALWAYS answers technical questions as promptly and completely as possible. Would that we were able to get such excelent tech support from Microsoft et al.

At 01:44 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Kim Paterson wrote: <snip> >I was successful in exporting out of TMG into an excel sheet using the comma >delimited File Type. I then made what I thought were the correct headings >ie: PersonalID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear. (TMG has not marriage year >export). It will not import--tells me my ID # are not numerical after >563--I have checked, rechecked all 2217 of them and they all appear the same >as the first 562. Then it spouts another error message. You need to have six fields in your exported file. Since you are unable to include the marriage year field you'll have to use a "NULL" field, which is represented by a comma, between the BirthYear and DeathYear fields. So, your headings would appear as: PersonalID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,,DeathYear. Note the additional comma between BirthYear and DeathYear. Don't forget to insert the NULL indicator in every record of your export. Perhaps the easiest way do this would be to open your .csv file in Excel, insert a new column between the BirthYear/DeathYear columns and use the autofill feature to populate those cells with a comma, then save the .csv file and import that into Clooz. Hope this helps, Bryan Logan **************************** * [email protected] * ****************************

I use the marriage date of my direct ancestors because that is the date that most matters to me. For instance, my 3rd great grandfather had two wives; his 2nd wife was my ancestor, so I use their marriage date. If I don't know my progenitors' marriage date, then I use a circa date or the date of the first marriage. In the case of aunts, uncles or cousins with multiple marriages, I usually use the first marriage date, if known. Kathy Bovenschen <[email protected]> >[email protected] wrote: > >I have an ancestor with three marriages; on the >first page where you record >the #, surname, given name, birth, marriage and >death dates, which date is to >be recorded? I want to be sure that it is clear >that there are three, >however I am only able to record one. How have any >of you solved this >dilemma? > >Thanks in advance, >Janet

At 01:44 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Kim Paterson wrote: >Having recently purchased Clooz, I am not familiar with all its terminology. >I have not been able to import my list of people from The Master Genealogist >and have sent tech support two emails, over a two week time, and have had no >response from them. > >How does one get support? Or, is this the full extent of it? I responded to your e-mail of 17 November on 21 November. I was out of town, which is the only reason for the delay. Apparently you didn't get my response? I hit reply to your e-mail address. You get support just like you did and I responded as soon as I could. I always answer e-mails as quickly as I can get to them. >I was successful in exporting out of TMG into an excel sheet using the comma >delimited File Type. I then made what I thought were the correct headings >ie: PersonalID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear. (TMG has not marriage year >export). It will not import--tells me my ID # are not numerical after >563--I have checked, rechecked all 2217 of them and they all appear the same >as the first 562. Then it spouts another error message. Page 25 of the Manual says the headings should be: PersonID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear You have "PersonalID", which won't work. Also, the error message is very helpful. You need to look at the ID number that it gives you and somewhere in that line or one immediately adjacent to it, you have too many or too few commas. You must have the same amount of commas in every line, and the number needs to equal the number of commas in the first row with the field names. This is a very helpful error message as it points you right to the line with the problem. I'm sorry you have had trouble reaching me. I'm one of one in my business and try to be as responsive as possible. I answered your e-mail and don't know why you didn't get it. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Having recently purchased Clooz, I am not familiar with all its terminology. I have not been able to import my list of people from The Master Genealogist and have sent tech support two emails, over a two week time, and have had no response from them. How does one get support? Or, is this the full extent of it? I was successful in exporting out of TMG into an excel sheet using the comma delimited File Type. I then made what I thought were the correct headings ie: PersonalID,Surname,Given,BirthYear,DeathYear. (TMG has not marriage year export). It will not import--tells me my ID # are not numerical after 563--I have checked, rechecked all 2217 of them and they all appear the same as the first 562. Then it spouts another error message. Can anyone help or tell me how to get tech support? Thank you, Kim Paterson Kim Paterson H.R. MANAGER EDGAR Online, Inc. (email) [email protected] (voice) 203-852-5662 (fax) 203-852-5634 50 Washington Street, 9th Floor Norwalk, CT 06854 EDGAR Online * http://www.edgar-online.com "SEC Information When You Need It" EDGAR Online http://www.edgar-online.com Free Two Week Trial: http://www.edgar-online.com/trial.asp?src= (your last name here) > EDGAR® is a federally registered trademark of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). EDGAR Online is not affiliated with or approved by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. EDGAR Online is a product of EDGAR Online, Inc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Clooz] multiple marriages I have an ancestor with three marriages; on the first page where you record the #, surname, given name, birth, marriage and death dates, which date is to be recorded? I want to be sure that it is clear that there are three, however I am only able to record one. How have any of you solved this dilemma? Thanks in advance, Janet

I am trying to verify if these attachments are really from Clooz! Anita Bradford ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: Clooz-D Digest V00 #157

I have an ancestor with three marriages; on the first page where you record the #, surname, given name, birth, marriage and death dates, which date is to be recorded? I want to be sure that it is clear that there are three, however I am only able to record one. How have any of you solved this dilemma? Thanks in advance, Janet

Thanks to everyone for the effort, but this may not be possible. After I have removed all multiple spaces, so that the document contains only single spaces, then if I replace the single spaces with comas, I get comas between first given and second given names, and also comas between the day-month-year fields. Incidentally, FYI, under the "find & replace" tab, there is another choice - "more" which reveals the "format" & "special" buttons, with drop down menues. Under "special" there is a choice for "white space" which finds all blank spaces and in one operation allows the replacement of all "white space" with - what ever you choose - in my case, just one space. Pretty neat - I've learned a lot today, but unfortunately, not enough. :( Will have to try to get a different format out of one of the three versions of PAF that I have. Thanks again, Jim in "beautiful downtown Denver" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Raine" <[email protected]> To: "Jim-Almquist" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Importing names > You can easily replace multiple spaces with one space. In the search field > type for example 5 spaces. In the replace field type one space. Then do the > replace command. When it has completed one pass through the file, do it > again and again until it does not find 5 spaces in the text. Now reduce the > search field to 2 spaces and run two or three passes through the data until > there is only one space between characters. Now you can replace a space with > a comma or a comma-space combination depending on what you wish to > accomplish. > > Cheers, > > Gerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim-Almquist" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Clooz] Importing names > > > > Thanks for the try Jerry. WORD 6.0 & 7.0 work the same way for "find & > > replace".

Thanks for the try Jerry. WORD 6.0 & 7.0 work the same way for "find & replace". But many problems. If I find a blank space, and replace with , that will also replace blank spaces between 1st & 2nd names, as well as between dates i.e., day,month,year. At the end of name fields, sometimes there are no spaces, sometimes 2-20 spaces depending on length of names, in case of 20 spaces between end of given name and birth date, you get about 20 commas instead of 20 spaces. Maybe I've missed something. It would be nice if PAF 2.2 would allow me to add punctuation to those special reports / lists. If anybody has any other thoughts - I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Holland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Importing names > Jim, > > I'm not sure about Word 6.0 as I use 7.0 but, go to edit, replace, where it > asks "find what", put your cursor in the box and just hit the space bar. > Then in the box below, it asks "replace with", put your cursor in the box > and put , in the box. Then click the button "replace all". It should > replace all the spaces with comas. I use PAF and that is how I did it when > I imported my names to Clooz. > > This is assuming Word 6.0 works the same or similar to 7.0. > > Jerry Holland [email protected] > Dent County, Missouri USGenWeb Coordinator > http://www.cjnetworks.com/~paperman/index.html > MODENT listowner > MOGenWeb Assistant State Coordinator > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim-Almquist" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:03 AM > Subject: [Clooz] Importing names > > > > In the instructions for "Exporting People from PAF" is says: > > "After the file is created, you can open it with a word processor to add > or > > replace the field names with those defined above under Importing People. > Use > > Search and Replace to remove the extra spaces. Make sure there are commas > > between each field on each line of your data." > > > > That is where I am - stuck. I don't know how to use MS WORD 6.0 to remove > > just the selected spaces or insert commas between the fields. > > Can anybody "hold my hand" > > Thanks, Jim > > > > >

At 05:03 PM 11/26/00 -0500, Ruth Taylor wrote: >Fawn, >the only way you can export a file to PDF is if you have the full Adobe >Acrobat >product. >You just change your printer to "Adobe PDF Writer" >and anything you print will become a pdf file. >I own the product and it has been a great help to me. Not true. There are at least 2 free options for creating PDF files. There is a digital printing company in the U.K. offering free (legitimate) downloads of the 5D PDF creator software. Optionally you can have them ship you a CD of the software. You'll have to register with them, but you will not be subjected to any kind of followup sales pitches or spam. You'll find the company, known as CtrlP.com at http://www.ctrlp.com. The download is fairly large at 5.66MB, so the CD option may be the ticket if you have a slow modem. The second option is to obtain the free Ghostview program (available at many web sites, including www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get550.html). Ghostview takes a a file printed to Postscript and converts it to a .pdf file. Creating a .pdf file by this method first requires that you install a Postscript printer driver on your computer. (Use the Add Printer command in the Printers folder and select one of the Postscript printers: Apple, HP, QMS, or any other brand, it does not matter which. Other printer drivers are available for download on the web, including Adobe's excellent AdobePS printer driver, which is also free and is the one I have used.). Configure the printer driver so that the Postscript output is saved to a file. When you want to create your .pdf file, first "print" it to a file through the Postscript printer you have set up and then run Ghostview and open the Postscript file in it and then, finally, output it to .pdf. Using the 5D program, obviously, is much less involved and is the one I would recommend, as long as CtrlP makes it available w/o a licensing fee. Hope this helps, Bryan Logan **************************** * [email protected] * ****************************

Fawn, the only way you can export a file to PDF is if you have the full Adobe Acrobat product. You just change your printer to "Adobe PDF Writer" and anything you print will become a pdf file. I own the product and it has been a great help to me. Ruth Fawn Masalewicz wrote: > 1. I would like to be able to export a report to a PDF file. It is a nice > standard format to exchange with others. > >

Jim, I'm not sure about Word 6.0 as I use 7.0 but, go to edit, replace, where it asks "find what", put your cursor in the box and just hit the space bar. Then in the box below, it asks "replace with", put your cursor in the box and put , in the box. Then click the button "replace all". It should replace all the spaces with comas. I use PAF and that is how I did it when I imported my names to Clooz. This is assuming Word 6.0 works the same or similar to 7.0. Jerry Holland [email protected] Dent County, Missouri USGenWeb Coordinator http://www.cjnetworks.com/~paperman/index.html MODENT listowner MOGenWeb Assistant State Coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim-Almquist" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: [Clooz] Importing names > In the instructions for "Exporting People from PAF" is says: > "After the file is created, you can open it with a word processor to add or > replace the field names with those defined above under Importing People. Use > Search and Replace to remove the extra spaces. Make sure there are commas > between each field on each line of your data." > > That is where I am - stuck. I don't know how to use MS WORD 6.0 to remove > just the selected spaces or insert commas between the fields. > Can anybody "hold my hand" > Thanks, Jim > >

I'm a new user and have found the program great. But wondering how one would use it to track negative research findings Say I look for a house hold in The 1850 Sumner Co. Census and they aren't there. How would I incorporate this so that I don't duplicate my searches? Anyone out there have an idea? Thanks in advance, Debra

In the instructions for "Exporting People from PAF" is says: "After the file is created, you can open it with a word processor to add or replace the field names with those defined above under Importing People. Use Search and Replace to remove the extra spaces. Make sure there are commas between each field on each line of your data." That is where I am - stuck. I don't know how to use MS WORD 6.0 to remove just the selected spaces or insert commas between the fields. Can anybody "hold my hand" Thanks, Jim