What kind of personal file number should I use for books or articles in journals that I own? I won't be making copies of them. But I would like to reference everyone mentioned in these sources. For example, I have a book called "Old Families of Louisiana". It is broken down into sections by family name. Because so many people are mentioned in this book, I would like to break down my Clooz document groupings by these sections. So, the source would be "Old Families of Louisiana". And let's say one of the sections I'm referencing is "Watts". Any suggestions as to what I should use for the Document number? Book-Watts? Book-OFL-Watts? (I thought I should perhaps start the document number with "Book" because it is filed with my books.) Has anyone else run into something like this?

I've been using Clooz a short time, getting names in, etc. I'm unclear about just how the Archive function works. Each time I exit Clooz I do click on Archive. Where does the archived file go and how do I access it??? I have gone into Windows Explorer and there are 7 files that I think are archived files, but I'm not sure. When I try to open one of them I get a blank dark screen. All 7 are 424KB. I'm adding data each time I use clooz, so if these are my archived files why are they all the same size? And why do I have 7? If each time I archive the file it overwrites the previously archived file how have I accumulated 7 archived files, each taking up 424KB on hard drive. I have tried to delete the oldest one and get the message that this file cannot be deleted. The only help the Manual offers is to say you should "Archive" frequently and that you should copy archived file onto floppy disks. Assuming that the 7 files I've found are my archived files, how do I move an archived file to a floppy disk? I've not been able to do this. I would like to get archived file onto a floppy disk and off my hard drive. It would sure be nice if I could just backup my data straight to a floppy like I can with my genealogy program (TMG). Help please, Clyde Watson

Should I see a serial number when I click on About Clooz? Karen Vaughn [email protected] >^,,^< ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Serial Number > The information is supposed to be put there during the installation > process. That didn't happen? Which version are you using (Stand-alone, > Access 97, or Access 2000)? > > At 12:30 AM 1/11/01 -0600, Robert V. Montague wrote: > >Open Clooz, go to Help, About Clooz, a window pops open with a space to > >show name of licensee and serial number. How does one go about inseting > >that information? Thanks > > > >Robert Montague > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > > ______________________________

I've been using Legacy for about a month now. Imported my info into Clooz without one problem. That was nice after suffering through the pains of trying to get it done with FTM. I find Legacy to be a nice powerful program. It amazes me that it's free. I like it much better over the program I paid for. Debra

WOW I fought with getting the custom report in the right format from Family Tree Creator Deluxe all day yesterday to import just one little portion of my database into Clooz. I read that note From Barbara and checked out Legacy, I think this may be an excellent companion to Clooz for the pretty diplays my family needs to understand this research. I'm ever so hopeful, FTCD is a very limited program and often frustrating. Clooz was the best thing that has happened in my reserch for a long time and I think Legacy will be just the icing I need.

The information is supposed to be put there during the installation process. That didn't happen? Which version are you using (Stand-alone, Access 97, or Access 2000)? At 12:30 AM 1/11/01 -0600, Robert V. Montague wrote: >Open Clooz, go to Help, About Clooz, a window pops open with a space to >show name of licensee and serial number. How does one go about inseting >that information? Thanks > >Robert Montague Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I give them the same number with something appended at the end to indicate either a copy or an original. Sheila Altenbernd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Patty Lill <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: [Clooz] Document Numbers for originals, copies, & scans >I have made photocopies of all original documents I have (for example the original birth certificates for myself and my parents). I have given these photocopies document numbers like BIRTH-001, BIRTH-002, etc. I'm now wondering how people number the originals that go with these photocopies, and also how they would number the associated scans kept on a CD with photos. > >Is it better to use the same number as the photocopy but with an O or S appended (BIRTH-001-O, BIRTH-001-S) or perhaps with an indicator in front (ORIG-BIRTH-001, CD-BIRTH-001)? Or should I treat the original the way I would a photo and list it in the photo section as BIRTH-001 (the same doc # as the copy) and give the CD location in the path field? Or should I give them completely new numbers and treat them as completely separate documents/photos in Clooz? > >The originals are kept in a safety deposit box at the bank so they are not filed in the BIRTH binder with the photocopies. The scans are on the CD with my photos. > >I thought about completely separate numbers but it seems there is no place I can reference the connection between these three seemingly unrelated documents in the Clooz document file -- unless I enter it in the remarks section for every participant in the document event. If there are plans in the future to add a remarks section for the document itself, I would think that separate numbers might be the best way to go. > >I was wondering how others are handling this situation. I'd appreciate any suggestions as I am just getting started and would like to get off on the right foot if at all possible! Thanks for any help!! >

A database with this much problem is THE problem. I just downloaded my entire database from Legacy 3.0 (offered for free on their website) into Clooz. No problem, no bugs. I just had to be sure the import file from Legacy was in the Clooz folder. Period. I find Legacy to be plenty powerful and very simple to use. It has a great manual plus good support on line. Now I am inspired to get my act together with Clooz. By the way: I am NOT proficient in computer stuff. Barbara Wyche [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Shaul" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: [Clooz] FTM Hints and Helps > M Smith, > > I am sorry you are having such a time with the FTM export -- I think > they have made FTM much more difficult than it needs to be. Anyway, I > supplied Liz with instructions on the FTM export process a number of > years ago when I started using Clooz. Try the following: > > 1. Take a deep breath > 2. In FTM go to the report icon. > 2a. Click on format > 2b. Click on report format > 2c. Click on Custom Report > 3. Click on Contents > 4. Click on Items to Include in Report > 4a. Choose Reference Number > 4b. Choose Name (Last, First Middle) > 4c. Choose Birth date (make sure you have chosen the date format of > dd month year) > 4d. Choose Marriage date > 4e. Choose Death date > 5. Run the report > 6. Click on Edit > 6a. Click on Copy the Report > 7. Take another deep breath > 8. Open MS Word > 9. Click on the Paste Icon > 10. Click on the Reveal Codes Icon (it looks like the paragraph symbol > -- back to High School Grammar -- a backwards P with a double stick) > 11. Go to the very top of the document and delete everything until the > Reference number heading. > 12. Click on Edit > 12a. Click on Replace > 12b. Click on the More button > 12c. Click on the Special button and choose the Tab (it will appear as a > carat and t) > 12d. Put a comma in the Replace with field > 12e. Click on Replace All > 13. Edit the headings on the first line to agree to the Clooz Manual > 13a. Change Reference Number to the the Alternate Number -- Clooz > assigns its own number, but this will add the numbers you use in FTM to > your Clooz file. > 14. Save file as defined in the Clooz manual and then proceed to import. > 15. Take a deep breath > > Good Luck. It really works -- I have loaded and updated a number of > times. > > > Patrick Shaul > > -- > E-Mail: [email protected] or [email protected] > Web Site: http://www.patrickshaul.com > E-Fax: 240-525-6596 > >

I have made photocopies of all original documents I have (for example the original birth certificates for myself and my parents). I have given these photocopies document numbers like BIRTH-001, BIRTH-002, etc. I'm now wondering how people number the originals that go with these photocopies, and also how they would number the associated scans kept on a CD with photos. Is it better to use the same number as the photocopy but with an O or S appended (BIRTH-001-O, BIRTH-001-S) or perhaps with an indicator in front (ORIG-BIRTH-001, CD-BIRTH-001)? Or should I treat the original the way I would a photo and list it in the photo section as BIRTH-001 (the same doc # as the copy) and give the CD location in the path field? Or should I give them completely new numbers and treat them as completely separate documents/photos in Clooz? The originals are kept in a safety deposit box at the bank so they are not filed in the BIRTH binder with the photocopies. The scans are on the CD with my photos. I thought about completely separate numbers but it seems there is no place I can reference the connection between these three seemingly unrelated documents in the Clooz document file -- unless I enter it in the remarks section for every participant in the document event. If there are plans in the future to add a remarks section for the document itself, I would think that separate numbers might be the best way to go. I was wondering how others are handling this situation. I'd appreciate any suggestions as I am just getting started and would like to get off on the right foot if at all possible! Thanks for any help!!

Open Clooz, go to Help, About Clooz, a window pops open with a space to show name of licensee and serial number. How does one go about inseting that information? Thanks Robert Montague

Maria: May I suggest that since you paid by either credit card or check, you reference those statements. Nobody pays cash for internet sales. And if neither of these options were used, how did you pay? Just trying to help. Bob M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Unknown registered number > Maria, I require people to register with me because I provide free > technical support. It's only fair to me as a business person that people > that legitimately own the software get this free support. I'm also a > one-person business and have to watch out for my business. Additionally, > you can now download a demo version of Clooz for free, and then you can > download the Clooz 1.22 patch for free, but you need the serial number to > install it. If I wasn't careful, I'd be giving away my software. Like it or > not, this is my livelihood and I have to protect my interests. So I insist > that people provide proof of purchase. I'm not the only company that has > this practice. I have always required that people send in their > registration cards and there are many customers that have been able to do > this. There aren't that many vendors that sell Clooz. I suggest that you > contact Ancestry to see if you purchased it from them. They sell the most > copies of Clooz. Ancestry will be happy to provide you with a copy of your > receipt, as would any other vendor that sells Clooz. > > At 08:13 PM 1/9/01 -0800, Maria Adler wrote: > >I am unable to remember where I purchased Clooz. And since I can't remember > >where I purchased you won't allow me to upgrade my program. I found this > >very unfair, there is now info on the disk holder containing any info. I > >know there are many dishonest people out there but I am not one of them and > >would appreciate being able to upgrade to the lastest additions to this > >program > > > >Maria Adler > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >

Maria, I require people to register with me because I provide free technical support. It's only fair to me as a business person that people that legitimately own the software get this free support. I'm also a one-person business and have to watch out for my business. Additionally, you can now download a demo version of Clooz for free, and then you can download the Clooz 1.22 patch for free, but you need the serial number to install it. If I wasn't careful, I'd be giving away my software. Like it or not, this is my livelihood and I have to protect my interests. So I insist that people provide proof of purchase. I'm not the only company that has this practice. I have always required that people send in their registration cards and there are many customers that have been able to do this. There aren't that many vendors that sell Clooz. I suggest that you contact Ancestry to see if you purchased it from them. They sell the most copies of Clooz. Ancestry will be happy to provide you with a copy of your receipt, as would any other vendor that sells Clooz. At 08:13 PM 1/9/01 -0800, Maria Adler wrote: >I am unable to remember where I purchased Clooz. And since I can't remember >where I purchased you won't allow me to upgrade my program. I found this >very unfair, there is now info on the disk holder containing any info. I >know there are many dishonest people out there but I am not one of them and >would appreciate being able to upgrade to the lastest additions to this >program > >Maria Adler Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I agree with Jerry Vince in Fresno,CA [email protected] wrote: > Maria, > > Maybe this is none of my business but, since > you addressed it to the list let me say: > > 1) You don't remember where you bought it? > 2) You don't have a receipt? > 3) You didn't register it? > > I doubt if ANY company would accomodate > you under these circumstances, nor should they. > There is a LOT of software "bootlegging" going > on. > > > I found this very unfair > > Why so? It's just good business practice > Maria. > > May I suggest that you staple the receipt > to the back page of the instruction book when > you buy ANYTHING? > > Regards, > > Jerry Hale > Deltona, FL > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Maria, Maybe this is none of my business but, since you addressed it to the list let me say: 1) You don't remember where you bought it? 2) You don't have a receipt? 3) You didn't register it? I doubt if ANY company would accomodate you under these circumstances, nor should they. There is a LOT of software "bootlegging" going on. > I found this very unfair Why so? It's just good business practice Maria. May I suggest that you staple the receipt to the back page of the instruction book when you buy ANYTHING? Regards, Jerry Hale Deltona, FL ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I am unable to remember where I purchased Clooz. And since I can't remember where I purchased you won't allow me to upgrade my program. I found this very unfair, there is now info on the disk holder containing any info. I know there are many dishonest people out there but I am not one of them and would appreciate being able to upgrade to the lastest additions to this program Maria Adler

I just sent out information about updating to the 1.22 Clooz patch but didn't give a location for the download. It's at http://www.clooz.com/download.htm. You'll need a serial number to install the program, as described on that page. If you don't have the serial number, contact me and I'll let you know if you're registered or not. You must be registered as a user to get the serial number. If you have the Clooz 1.22 CD and want to download the 1.22 patch, you'll need a different serial number as the one you got with your program might not work. If that's the case, let me know. If you're registered, I'll send you a different serial number. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

This is a glitch that was fixed after the new CDs were created. If you download the Clooz 1.22 patch, this problem has been resolved in it. If you haven't yet downloaded the patch, you'll need to get the serial number from me in order to install it. You must be a registered user of Clooz in order to get a serial number. If you've already downloaded the patch and the problem is in your version of Clooz, download again because you may have downloaded before I fixed the problem. At 03:52 AM 1/8/01 -0800, Kay Allen Groves wrote: >Help! I have the stand alone version of Clooz and I need instruction in how >to see what I have written in one or another source forms. When entering a >new Source Title, I first must click the NEW button which opens a window >containing a form to complete. The top space is for entering SOURCE TITLE >followed by numerous other categories, one of which is REPOSITORY. > >I recently needed to find out what information I had entered on the form of >which my SOURCE TITLE was "CA Birth Records from 1905 thru 1995." At the >Hub I opened SOURCES and there was not a single source title -- only a long >list of Repositories including quite a few duplicates and probably between >one and two dozen of which had "kag [my initials] collection" --nothing in >the list had any identifying document name or number, etc. Without first >reading the SOURCE TITLE form I had filled in ages ago, I had no idea what I >had listed as repository! So I went to Reports->Sources->All Sources to >Preview them and still couldn't find a single Source Title or any helpful >clue. (Incidentally, the page set-up margin didn't fit the form so I to turn >twice as many pages as contained text.) > >How can I open the Source Title Form without wasting a lot of time clicking >on all my repositories to see what I have written? Is there a way to print >what I have entered into the Source Title Form? If anyone else has had this >problem, please share with me how you solved it? > >Thanks in advance. >kay thesarge Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

This is explained on page 42 of the manual under Edit Dropdown Lists. At 09:12 PM 1/7/01 -0700, Jim-Almquist wrote: >Ok - I've created a few "test" data bases that I'd like to get rid of. No >problem to use windows explorer to find and delete the files, BUT.... >How do I get rid of the database names in Clooz HUB? >thanks >Jim Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Well, you have just found a glitch that I was unaware of. I'll have to fix that and when it's fixed I'll let everyone know. At 08:01 PM 1/7/01 -0500, Gary Moyers wrote: >Hi again, >I am using Clooz v1.22 stand alone version with windows 2000. My problem >that I am having is when I pick 'sources' from 'the hub' and then >hi-lite a source entry and then pick the 'preview report on the selected >source' button, the report form comes up without any of the source data >entered into it. The same thing happens when I pick from the dropdown >menu 'Reports/Sources/select sources'. However, choosing >"Reports/Sources/ All sources" provides a report showing all the entered >sources. >Sorry if this has been discussed previously, I searched all of the old >messages but could not find anything on this problem. >best regards, >Gary Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

This message is similar to the one at http://www.clooz.com/kbsa.htm#3011, which is error 3011. Same problem though. You'll need to e-mail me the file so I can fix it for you. At 09:38 AM 1/4/01 -0500, Walter Gaddis wrote: >In trying to archive my files I am getting the following message: > >"Error 3070, The Microsoft Jet database engine does not recognize 'PlaceID' >as a valid field name or expression". > >Once I clicked on OK it seems to have finished okay. At least I have a >010104 file in my directory. > >Does anyone know what this message means or what I need to do to fix it? > >Thanks, Patty Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com