Has anyone compared the two THOROUGHLY? I'm just curious. I've got both and started to compare. I ran out of patience and had not found a single word different. BUT, the download is colored. The printed is black and white and small illustrations lack detail. I don't want to mark up the new, printed manual but do want to use the download as a working manual, but want it as up tod date as the printed one. -- frank g. higgins [email protected]

I had a new hard drive installed today and discovered that Gateway had installed Office 2000 instead of Office 97. I have been using Clooz with Access 97. Can anyone tell me the differences between Acess 97 and 2000? Will I run into problems with Clooz if I use Acess 2000? Do I have to get another version of Clooz? I currently have Clooz 1.2, which I bought in May 2000. I want to get the CD update but waited until I got my new hard drive. Thank you for your help, Lillian Cain

I just installed Clooz v1.22 from the upgrade disk I purchased from Ancestor Detective. From the hub, when I open the View/Edit Sources window, all that is displayed are Repositories. And they repeat over and over. When I click on the Repository name, I'm taken to the Source edit screen. I think this is a glitch. I've checked the version number in the About window, and it's 1.22. In looking at prior posts to this list, this problem has been discussed but the solution was installing the patch. Since I went directly to v1.22 from v1.1, I shouldn't need the patch. I even did a complete uninstall, deleted Clooz folder, and reinstalled. The Source window still displays Repositories Liz, any suggestions? Pat Dunphy

A computer crash forced a rebuild of Windows 2000 system. Starting with the CD-ROM of Clooz 1.2, can you please advise the most direct route to reinstall the latest Clooz onto an Access 2000 system. I presume I start with the CD-ROM and apply some patches? Thanks muchly for the help... Gerry Raine

For the last several weeks whenever I click to either minimize the window or exit the program -- I have a stand alone version -- a small Mcaccess message window pops up with "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut sown. If the problem persists, contact the program vendor...MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL 32.DLL at 0157: bff 99dbd. Registers...." This latest time I just opened the program long enough to open one of my marriage files in the preview window to see some data. I had planned to add some entries a few minutes later so wanted to keep clooz open - minimized - which saves me a lot of time compared to how much longer it takes to open it. Can someone help solve this problem - and mystery - for me? Thanks in advance for your help. -kay thesarge

David, do you have the 1.22 patch installed? This problem was corrected in this patch. Make sure you've got the patch installed by going to Help/About Clooz and check the version number. I note that I've given you the serial number for the patch already. At 02:42 PM 2/14/01 -0800, David Williams wrote: >My V.1.2 Clooz has suddenly started producing multiple copies of reports >from the Documents file. A report request will produce from three to >twenty three copies in preview mode and will print that many if allowed >to. Actually, it's more like one report but with three to twenty three >pages all the same as each other. None of the other files, Census, People, >etc. seem to be affected. >Has anyone else experienced this? How do I fix it? >Regards, >David Williams > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

My V.1.2 Clooz has suddenly started producing multiple copies of reports from the Documents file. A report request will produce from three to twenty three copies in preview mode and will print that many if allowed to. Actually, it's more like one report but with three to twenty three pages all the same as each other. None of the other files, Census, People, etc. seem to be affected. Has anyone else experienced this? How do I fix it? Regards, David Williams

I just installed Clooz on a new hard drive and copied a backup of my data file to the new HD. When I open the data file I get an error message. "Error 3906 No unique index for the reference field in primary table. mdlutility:fnaddrel" When I copied data from my old HD to Zip, I used Explorer to copy the data. I didn't make an archive copy to save. The data seems to load ok, but I haven't tried to add or edit anything yet. Is the error indicative of a problem I need to be concerned about?

Yes, you need a different serial number for the Access 2000 download than you do for the stand-alone or Access 97 versions. That's why I ask people to tell me which version they're downloading. At 09:47 PM 2/8/01 -0800, gfree wrote: >After having computer problems I had to reload Clooz. I have version 1.2. >since I upgrades to acess 2000, I download the Access 2000 patch. > >I added my password and it appeared to install. When I look in the about >clooz it still says version 1.2 > >It seems to me when I first downloaded the patch I had Office 95 it show >the updated version and I believe the password when you looked in the help >file. > >Whats going on, how do I tell if the patch is there. Did I need a >different password >number when I upgraded to Access 2000 ? > >Gert > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

After having computer problems I had to reload Clooz. I have version 1.2. since I upgrades to acess 2000, I download the Access 2000 patch. I added my password and it appeared to install. When I look in the about clooz it still says version 1.2 It seems to me when I first downloaded the patch I had Office 95 it show the updated version and I believe the password when you looked in the help file. Whats going on, how do I tell if the patch is there. Did I need a different password number when I upgraded to Access 2000 ? Gert

The primary objective of Clooz is to record and locate the document when you need it. So, the document you mention with many surnames on it should have just one personal file #. All the surnames on that one document should be linked to the personal file # given to the document. Then at any time, a list of all the many documents in your cabinet file showing a particular surname can be viewed by clicking the appropriate icon in the "peoples" window. Hope this helps. Stephen E. Speltz Durham, NC

The purpose of the personal file number is to make a document easier to find, in other words, you know that document M0034 is right after M0035. If you give a document two different file numbers, then you will have to make two copies and store them in two different places, since obviously one physical document can't be in two places at the same time. As the Clooz manual says, DO NOT file documents by surname, because then you have to have DUPLICATES (exact wording and obnoxious capitals mine). So, if you are looking for the right answer in Clooz philosophy terms, you should give a document one id, and then link the various people to it.

At 04:00 AM 2/4/01 -0800, [email protected] wrote: >Just received my copy of Clooz. Unfortunately when I install, it first asks >for the serial number [on the back of the jewel case] and then the password. >Neither of these things are mentioned anywhere I can find, not on the CD, not >on the jewel case, not on my order paperwork and not in the manual. > >So now the computer thinks Clooz is installed but the icon is not up, nothing >I click on will bring up the program and putting the installation CD back in >only prompts another request for the elusive password. > >I have sent two emails to Clooz support with no replies. The serial number is on a white label on the shrinkwrap. Perhaps you threw that away without realizing it. I answered your e-mail this morning. I was in Dallas from Thursday-Sunday for a GenTech conference. I'm the only person in my company and I didn't get a chance to check my e-mail while I was gone. The computer does not think Clooz is installed as you can't install it without the serial number. When I answered you, I told you that you need the serial number that is on the shrinkwrap. If you threw it away and can't retrieve it, I'll need you to register your software with me so I can give you a new serial number. You didn't include your name in the e-mail, so I can't check to see if you bought it from me. If you didn't, you can fax your receipt to me at 734-354-6442 and then I can give you a new serial number. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

List, I've fixed the heading problem. I noticed a change also, but couldn't figure out what it was. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. At 07:16 PM 1/31/01 -0800, Kay Allen Groves wrote: >For the past few weeks the "Clooz-L" heading has been missing from the >Listers' messages subject line. I believe this was due to a crash of sorts >at Rootsweb and other lists have had to re-enter their headings. I hope >someone can fix this because there may be messages I miss as I am inclined >not to open e-mail that I don't recognize. >-kay thesarge > > >============================== >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Thank you! - kay thesarge ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: [Clooz] Re: Subject heading > List, I've fixed the heading problem. I noticed a change also, but couldn't > figure out what it was. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. > > At 07:16 PM 1/31/01 -0800, Kay Allen Groves wrote: > >For the past few weeks the "Clooz-L" heading has been missing from the > >Listers' messages subject line. I believe this was due to a crash of sorts > >at Rootsweb and other lists have had to re-enter their headings. I hope > >someone can fix this because there may be messages I miss as I am inclined > >not to open e-mail that I don't recognize. > >-kay thesarge > > > > > >============================== > >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

-----Original Message----- From: David J. Crowell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: Several Surnames on single page of Directory List,When multiple Surnames are list on a single page, should only one Personal File # be assigned to that page, or should a Personal File # be assigned for each Surname, and like Surnames filed id separate file folders? ============== David....One Personal File # is what I would do. I use the Personal File # to tell me where I have physically filed the document and I link all the names mentioned in the document to that same Personal File #. For example, in a Directory where I find several names of interest, I would assign a Personal File # of something like "Corson #12-Dir" and link all the names I want to keep track of to that same File #. That tells me that I filed the copy of the directory pages with my ancestor #12. If I ask for a report on any of those other individuals, I will find a reference to them appearing in the directory filed with my ancestor #12. Your Personal File # can be any unique ID number that you want, based on your filing system. Hope this helps.....Susan

Yes you would need the Access software to make your onwn reports no matter which way you did it. Gail Budda wrote: > Jack - that's right! I remember I was able to get into the database tables by hitting F11 - I guess you would have to have the Access software to do that though - yes? no? > > Gail > > Jack Burger wrote: > > > Gail & Ron > > I have been able to create reports using the existing Clooz database without linking to a blank database. Just use the Clooz database as you would any other and create reports. > > > > Gail Budda wrote: > > > > > Ron - I was able to create a new, blank database in Access 2000 then link to the clooz database I had created for my family. After doing that, you would be able to create whatever reports you wanted. It would be important to link the tables rather than copy them, however, as you would want to be able to create and run reports from current tables. > > > > > > Access is a very expensive program. I am not certain if the database provided with MS Works would be sufficient to the task - does anyone else know? > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > Ron Adams wrote: > > > > > > > Access 97/2000 Users: > > > > > > > > I have the Stand-Alone Version of Clooz and I wonder if those of you who have either Access 97 or 2000 can create and print custom reports. I am not totally satisfied with printing the standard reports because most of them are too elaborate for my use and take too much paper. However, they are find for looking up information on the screen. Also, I would like to be able to chose which fields to print and how to sort them. If the Access Version does provide these options, I need to consider purchasing Access and that version of Clooz. > > > > > > > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Ron Adams > > > > > > > > Neighbor to Historical Fort Atkinson that overlooks the Missouri River Valley from Nebraska. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > > ============================== > > > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > > > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Surely the simplest way is to give the page a file number and then link the people to the page. David Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: David J. Crowell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: Several Surnames on single page of Directory > List,When multiple Surnames are list on a single page, should only one > Personal File # be assigned to that page, or should a Personal File # be > assinged for each Surname, and like Surnames filed id separate file folders? > Thank you, > davidc > > ______________________________

Jack - that's right! I remember I was able to get into the database tables by hitting F11 - I guess you would have to have the Access software to do that though - yes? no? Gail Jack Burger wrote: > Gail & Ron > I have been able to create reports using the existing Clooz database without linking to a blank database. Just use the Clooz database as you would any other and create reports. > > Gail Budda wrote: > > > Ron - I was able to create a new, blank database in Access 2000 then link to the clooz database I had created for my family. After doing that, you would be able to create whatever reports you wanted. It would be important to link the tables rather than copy them, however, as you would want to be able to create and run reports from current tables. > > > > Access is a very expensive program. I am not certain if the database provided with MS Works would be sufficient to the task - does anyone else know? > > > > Gail > > > > Ron Adams wrote: > > > > > Access 97/2000 Users: > > > > > > I have the Stand-Alone Version of Clooz and I wonder if those of you who have either Access 97 or 2000 can create and print custom reports. I am not totally satisfied with printing the standard reports because most of them are too elaborate for my use and take too much paper. However, they are find for looking up information on the screen. Also, I would like to be able to chose which fields to print and how to sort them. If the Access Version does provide these options, I need to consider purchasing Access and that version of Clooz. > > > > > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > > > Ron Adams > > > > > > Neighbor to Historical Fort Atkinson that overlooks the Missouri River Valley from Nebraska. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > ============================== > > 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists > > http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/

Make sure that you are selecting the right database. If you have the wrong path to the database, Clooz will just create a new database with the same name and it will be empty. Copy your database over from your zip disk and put it where you want it to be. In Clooz, click on the open folder icon on the Select or Create a Database screen. Change folders to where you stored the file and once you find that file, double click on it and click Select. Your data should be there, if there's data in the file. At 11:51 AM 2/4/01 -0800, Maria Adler wrote: >Hello >I had a problem with my computer and lost my info, however I did have some >backup. My question, my file on a zip drive with the extension .mdb, I open >it with Clooz, but then there is no info when it is done loading. Where did >my info go? >Maria > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com