Had to jump in here to comment on the ease of use with Legacy and Clooz. Did you know that with Legacy you can import directly to Clooz? On the file menu under export there is a direct 'Export to Clooz' function. You create whatever file you wish, by tagging etc and send to Clooz with a minimum of fuss. You just need to be sure you have not used quotes in your name fields ie Thomas John 'Tom'. If you have, then replace the quotes with brackets ie Thomas John (Tom), and you will be fine. A Legacy Fan ( as good as TMG without the steep learning curve) Sandra

Hi I agree with what Stephen has said about using Clooz, I have over 800 documents so far entered into clooz, and found it very helpful in finding were my documents are filed. I use Family Origins, which has a built in report for Clooz, this made it very easy to transfer my files. In Family Origins when putting in a source they also have a repository for each source, I put the Clooz file number in the Call number section. Works great. Regards, Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Speltz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG/Legacy and using Clooz > I had used FTM for 5-6 years up until 6 months ago when I switched to TMG. > I should have made the change years earlier. TMG is far superior to FTM. > As someone on this list has stated earlier, the learning curve is steep but > the rewards are unlimited if you have the patience to stick with it. FTM > decides for you what the program provides. TMG allows the user to make that > decision and the choices are, for all practical purposes, unlimited. This > of course can be good or bad. I maintain that for the serious genealogist, > it is good. > > My biggest problem with FTM was that it fostered in me a certain > "sloppiness" in the entry, i.e., acceptance of data. TMG almost forces you > to cite sources and their repositories. FTM was very late in adding source > fields to their program and then when they did, they put them in an > obscure, out-of-the-way position, easy to overlook. Another problem I had > with FTM > is the way it was necessary to "tab" to parents, siblings, grand/great > grandparents. I was continually losing my place in the tree as I moved > around. In TMG, for each person, there are three views - person (with all > his/her history), family, and tree. There is a demo on the whollygenes > website which I encourage everyone to try out. www.whollygenes.com > > Now for your Clooz question. I use Clooz for two main purposes, both > purposes involve primarily the direct ancestors of my wife and I, hence > approximately 250-300 people. I avoided importing problems by entering each > of our direct ancestors manually into Clooz. Why? 95% of the documents I > possessed were for ancestors, so why worry about entering my other 1700 > distantly related people in Clooz? Later possibly, but not up front. > > 1st Clooz purpose - keep track of source documents so I can locate them > readily in my paper files. > 2nd Clooz purpose - to have the ability to generate a person report showing > all the source documents I possess for that person. This is one of the best > research tools that I have found in any program, including TMG. If and when > you > integrate Clooz with TMG the Clooz document #'s can be put in TMG (use your > Clooz document #'s as repositories in TMG and enter them in the TMG citation > detail). I still haven't mastered TMG's Creative Report Writer so the > documents per person report is not as easily generated (by me) in TMG as it > is > in Clooz. > > Clooz and TMG work well together. I also monitor the TMG list and most of > the people there speak favorably about Clooz. I enter any document > transcriptions and/or abstracts and pictures in TMG only and basically stick > with just the two Clooz purposes above, putting just minimum content in > Clooz - just enough to identify the document. Hopefully this is responsive > to some of your questions. > > Stephen E. Speltz > Durham, NC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patty Lill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:35 PM > Subject: [Clooz] TMG/Legacy and using Clooz > > > > I've never used TMG, but I recently downloaded Legacy and I love it. I > have > > used FTM in the past and much prefer Legacy. You might want to try it - > > it's free and can be downloaded at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com. (You > > have to pay for the deluxe version.) > > > > I know theoretically I can cut and paste between Clooz and Legacy (or > > another genealogy program) but have found little opportunity to do so. > When > > fields for document transcriptions and/or abstracts are added to Clooz, I > > will probably enter that information in Clooz and then copy it into > Legacy, > > or vice-versa. > > > > I'm actually still on the fence about Clooz and documents. I like the > idea > > but I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. I've filed my > > documents by document type and I use these numbers in Legacy as my > personal > > file number when entering source data. I love the way Clooz lets me tie > in > > pictures to people in my genealogy program. But I'm curious as to how are > > others using Clooz, especially regarding documents. > > > > Patty Lill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. Groves-Hurt" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG? > > > > > > > Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the > > > consensus out there? I've only used FTM. > > > > > > Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy > > it > > > to CLOOZ or vise-versa? > > > Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or > > > Vise-versa? > > > It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. > > > > > > Thanks for the help and opinions > > > J. GROVES-HURT > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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I had used FTM for 5-6 years up until 6 months ago when I switched to TMG. I should have made the change years earlier. TMG is far superior to FTM. As someone on this list has stated earlier, the learning curve is steep but the rewards are unlimited if you have the patience to stick with it. FTM decides for you what the program provides. TMG allows the user to make that decision and the choices are, for all practical purposes, unlimited. This of course can be good or bad. I maintain that for the serious genealogist, it is good. My biggest problem with FTM was that it fostered in me a certain "sloppiness" in the entry, i.e., acceptance of data. TMG almost forces you to cite sources and their repositories. FTM was very late in adding source fields to their program and then when they did, they put them in an obscure, out-of-the-way position, easy to overlook. Another problem I had with FTM is the way it was necessary to "tab" to parents, siblings, grand/great grandparents. I was continually losing my place in the tree as I moved around. In TMG, for each person, there are three views - person (with all his/her history), family, and tree. There is a demo on the whollygenes website which I encourage everyone to try out. www.whollygenes.com Now for your Clooz question. I use Clooz for two main purposes, both purposes involve primarily the direct ancestors of my wife and I, hence approximately 250-300 people. I avoided importing problems by entering each of our direct ancestors manually into Clooz. Why? 95% of the documents I possessed were for ancestors, so why worry about entering my other 1700 distantly related people in Clooz? Later possibly, but not up front. 1st Clooz purpose - keep track of source documents so I can locate them readily in my paper files. 2nd Clooz purpose - to have the ability to generate a person report showing all the source documents I possess for that person. This is one of the best research tools that I have found in any program, including TMG. If and when you integrate Clooz with TMG the Clooz document #'s can be put in TMG (use your Clooz document #'s as repositories in TMG and enter them in the TMG citation detail). I still haven't mastered TMG's Creative Report Writer so the documents per person report is not as easily generated (by me) in TMG as it is in Clooz. Clooz and TMG work well together. I also monitor the TMG list and most of the people there speak favorably about Clooz. I enter any document transcriptions and/or abstracts and pictures in TMG only and basically stick with just the two Clooz purposes above, putting just minimum content in Clooz - just enough to identify the document. Hopefully this is responsive to some of your questions. Stephen E. Speltz Durham, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Lill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: [Clooz] TMG/Legacy and using Clooz > I've never used TMG, but I recently downloaded Legacy and I love it. I have > used FTM in the past and much prefer Legacy. You might want to try it - > it's free and can be downloaded at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com. (You > have to pay for the deluxe version.) > > I know theoretically I can cut and paste between Clooz and Legacy (or > another genealogy program) but have found little opportunity to do so. When > fields for document transcriptions and/or abstracts are added to Clooz, I > will probably enter that information in Clooz and then copy it into Legacy, > or vice-versa. > > I'm actually still on the fence about Clooz and documents. I like the idea > but I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. I've filed my > documents by document type and I use these numbers in Legacy as my personal > file number when entering source data. I love the way Clooz lets me tie in > pictures to people in my genealogy program. But I'm curious as to how are > others using Clooz, especially regarding documents. > > Patty Lill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Groves-Hurt" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG? > > > > Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the > > consensus out there? I've only used FTM. > > > > Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy > it > > to CLOOZ or vise-versa? > > Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or > > Vise-versa? > > It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. > > > > Thanks for the help and opinions > > J. GROVES-HURT > > mailto:[email protected] > > >

Dot, what trouble are you having? Why don't you contact me directly so I can help you? At 01:19 PM 3/17/01 -0500, [email protected] wrote: >I have been using Clooz for sometime so I have a database in my original >program. I have been having a lot of trouble getting the new update 1.22 and >my original one to combine. Don't know if this makes any sense to someone or >not. I now have two Clooz programs on my computer but only my original one >has my data in it. The new one is giving me a fit when I try to transfer my >previous data base into it. I am definitely doing something wrong, or have >earlier messed it all up. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. >Thanks. Dot > > >============================== >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

I have been using Clooz for sometime so I have a database in my original program. I have been having a lot of trouble getting the new update 1.22 and my original one to combine. Don't know if this makes any sense to someone or not. I now have two Clooz programs on my computer but only my original one has my data in it. The new one is giving me a fit when I try to transfer my previous data base into it. I am definitely doing something wrong, or have earlier messed it all up. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Dot

I've never used TMG, but I recently downloaded Legacy and I love it. I have used FTM in the past and much prefer Legacy. You might want to try it - it's free and can be downloaded at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com. (You have to pay for the deluxe version.) I know theoretically I can cut and paste between Clooz and Legacy (or another genealogy program) but have found little opportunity to do so. When fields for document transcriptions and/or abstracts are added to Clooz, I will probably enter that information in Clooz and then copy it into Legacy, or vice-versa. I'm actually still on the fence about Clooz and documents. I like the idea but I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. I've filed my documents by document type and I use these numbers in Legacy as my personal file number when entering source data. I love the way Clooz lets me tie in pictures to people in my genealogy program. But I'm curious as to how are others using Clooz, especially regarding documents. Patty Lill ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Groves-Hurt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG? > Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the > consensus out there? I've only used FTM. > > Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy it > to CLOOZ or vise-versa? > Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or > Vise-versa? > It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. > > Thanks for the help and opinions > J. GROVES-HURT > mailto:[email protected] >

Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the consensus out there? I've only used FTM. Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy it to CLOOZ or vise-versa? Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or Vise-versa? It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. Thanks for the help and opinions J. GROVES-HURT mailto:[email protected]

Hi and Thanks to all of you who have informed me of what I've been missing. I have looked at all the sites recommended and will continue to learn from all of you. I should ask questions more often, learn so much more that way. Thanks again, Tommie ~ Wichita Falls, TX --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.

TMG is the abbreviation for The Master Genealogist. This program is probably the most detailed of any genealogical program, along with Legacy. You can read all about it and download a demo from: http://www.whollygenes.com/ Lance in Australia -----Original Message----- From: Tommie Cherry Beck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 16 March 2001 6:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Clooz] TMG? What is this TMG program that everyone is talking about?? Thanks, Tommie - Wichita Falls, TX --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hi Tommie - and all - - TMG is "The Master Genealogist" It is one of the most powerful programs in existence. It can do just about anything you can think of. The down side is that the learning curve is a bit more than simple programs. BUT you will never out grow it for want of being able to accomplish something. Vince Correll, Fresno, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommie Cherry Beck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [Clooz] TMG? > > What is this TMG program that everyone is talking about?? > > Thanks, Tommie - Wichita Falls, TX > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

What is this TMG program that everyone is talking about?? Thanks, Tommie - Wichita Falls, TX --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices!

Hi list, Just getting started with Clooz, I think I've gleaned quite a lot of helpful tips as far as census goes. But was wondering if anyone had some good tips and/or pointers for filing mail, emails specifically. I have tons and want to get started on the right foot. Thanks in advance. Traci Stone [email protected] <A HREF="http://tracistone.accessgenealogy.com/">My Accessgenealogy Page-the best one</A>

Hi Ann and all - - My system for Census' is - - PO abbreviation for State followed by 4 digits for the year of the census, and then 2 letters for the county, followed by two digits [I'll never have over 99 different census' for that small area, eh?] I do this because I will put all census copies for each state into one file. I can find the one I wish with little effort. The same concept for documents. I do not want to have to go to Clooz every time I need a simple item. We'll see if my ideas pan out. Vince Correll, Fresno, CA PS My TMG program will continue to be the lead one for research, however, it seems most important to put the "source" into both programs at the same time. Doing it later is a real time consumer. I have discovered this last truth first hand!!! VC ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Clooz and TMG > In a message dated 3/6/01 8:12:47 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] > writes: > > << My major suggestion: Check the Clooz archives for some great ideas for > your filing addresses [Personal File #s]. Think out how you think you > will use the documents. You may want to find a document without going into > Clooz. Others have some great ideas on how to do that. I have used a > modified system suggested by others. >> > > Vince, thank you for answering my query. I will go to the archives for > suggestions. If it doesn't involve much writing for you, do you care to > elaborate on your modified system between the two? > > Thank you, > Ann >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Clooz-D Digest V01 #30

At 07:07 PM 3/13/01 -0600, Margaret wrote: >Regarding disappearance of my Clooz info. The database is there, just >when Iclick the database and enter: Blank info.. As I said before, if the database had been moved and then you tried to open it in Clooz at its previous location, you would create a new database called the same thing. That's why it's there and it's empty. >Thanks for your advice. I have finally located the information. It is in >Microsoft access and appears to be in excel format. This is very curious. Why don't you e-mail me the file and let me look at it. Access databases have to purposely be converted to Excel format. Is there someone else using your computer that may be playing with things? Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

Regarding disappearance of my Clooz info. The database is there, just when Iclick the database and enter: Blank info.. Thanks for your advice. I have finally located the information. It is in Microsoft access and appears to be in excel format. Believe me, I am not computer savy enough to have moved this information to another totally different format. Now, How do I return this information, including my reports, back to Clooz???? Thank Goodness, none of my other software has been moved to another format, only the Clooz info has moved. Help and Thanks, Margaret Tull

This is probably what has happened so that when you went to open the program, Clooz created a new database where your other one was. Clooz can't delete databases or move them--you have to do that. At 08:28 PM 3/12/01 -0500, Donald McNeeley wrote: >The only thing I can think of is that you have erronously moved your file. >Use explorer to search for the file. If you find the file and it is in the >wrong location, move it back to the original sub-directory as defined in >CLOOZ. > >Don McNeeley > >-----Original Message----- >From: Margaret [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:03 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Clooz] Clooz > > >Hello, > >I have not entered anything into my Clooz program for a couple wks. >Tonight, I entered the program to enter some data and it is like I have >never entered the first person, document, census, etc. The program >doesn't have any enteries. > >I have not started a new data base, imported, etc. > >I did go to FIND and entered every possible Clooz mention and all the >same, My "stuff" is not in there. I opened the database from every angle >and could not locate my information. > >Has anyone had this to occur and any clues as to where my information >has flown to? > >Thanks in advance, > >Margaret Tull >a Clooz fanatic in panic mode > > >============================== >Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > >============================== >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com

The only thing I can think of is that you have erronously moved your file. Use explorer to search for the file. If you find the file and it is in the wrong location, move it back to the original sub-directory as defined in CLOOZ. Don McNeeley -----Original Message----- From: Margaret [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Clooz] Clooz Hello, I have not entered anything into my Clooz program for a couple wks. Tonight, I entered the program to enter some data and it is like I have never entered the first person, document, census, etc. The program doesn't have any enteries. I have not started a new data base, imported, etc. I did go to FIND and entered every possible Clooz mention and all the same, My "stuff" is not in there. I opened the database from every angle and could not locate my information. Has anyone had this to occur and any clues as to where my information has flown to? Thanks in advance, Margaret Tull a Clooz fanatic in panic mode ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Hello, I have not entered anything into my Clooz program for a couple wks. Tonight, I entered the program to enter some data and it is like I have never entered the first person, document, census, etc. The program doesn't have any enteries. I have not started a new data base, imported, etc. I did go to FIND and entered every possible Clooz mention and all the same, My "stuff" is not in there. I opened the database from every angle and could not locate my information. Has anyone had this to occur and any clues as to where my information has flown to? Thanks in advance, Margaret Tull a Clooz fanatic in panic mode

At 05:30 PM 3/11/01 -0800, Art - Hanna Lengkeek wrote: >Hi everybody on the Clooz list. I am just a newcomer to both the Clooz >program and the List, but I do have something like about thirty of the >above named documents to to enter. > >I don't know if it is possible to develop a special form for this purpose >where a person could enter the "highlights" in the remarks section to >facilitate searching and then also add a link to a copy of the whole >transcription! > >Maybe if Liz is reading this, she could enlighten us on the (lack of) >possibilities. The only place currently to put transcriptions is in the Remarks section for a person. However, I have noted this request and should be able to include this feature in a future upgrade. I appreciate everyone's input on ways to improve Clooz! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com