Hello Jenni, Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Clooz will accept both 'Stray' and 'Unrel' in the Alternate ID # field very nicely. I still have to add them to the Clooz People list of course. Stella > > I found your comments to Vince very helpful. However, > what do you mean when you say "classify in Clooz as > Stray... and Unrel"? How do you go about > classifying them in Clooz? By using "Stray" and "Unrel" > as the Alternate ID #?

Stella: I found your comments to Vince very helpful. However, what do you mean when you say "classify in Clooz as Stray... and Unrel"? How do you go about classifying them in Clooz? By using "Stray" and "Unrel" as the Alternate ID #? Thanks, Jenni > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: RE: [Clooz] Clooz for a surname organization > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:58:01 -0700 > From: "Stella Howlett" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hello Vince, > > My genealogical prog. automatically assigns a unique ID number to > everyone I put in it. Clooz allows the use of these numbers which > is enormously helpful. I can also print out a 'people' list from my > gen prog. which includes the ID numbers and vlital dates so that > when I'm entering doc. details into Clooz, I can tell immediately > without a lot of digging which of four John Wrights or five > Frederick Trouts it might concern. > > For people who are in documents such as census returns who are not > in my gen prog. I classify in Clooz as Stray if I haven't yet proved > that the person is mine and Unrel (for unrelated) if I know they > never will be included in my family tree. That eliminates the need > for adding an additional ID number.. > > What do others do, I wonder? > > Stella Howlett > BC, Canada > > > Hi - - I, too, have a puzzlement about how to record data > > for folks who are > > not in my line. I have 4 data bases with lots of folks > > in them. Without > > going into lots of research I do not know which Joseph > > Correll, or Magdalena > > Correll to which I should attach a document. Share > > brainstorms with me, > > too. Vince Correll, Fresno, CA > > [PS- I have well over 100 documents recorded in Clooz for > > my family and find > > it MOST helpful. VIC

Hello Vince, My genealogical prog. automatically assigns a unique ID number to everyone I put in it. Clooz allows the use of these numbers which is enormously helpful. I can also print out a 'people' list from my gen prog. which includes the ID numbers and vlital dates so that when I'm entering doc. details into Clooz, I can tell immediately without a lot of digging which of four John Wrights or five Frederick Trouts it might concern. For people who are in documents such as census returns who are not in my gen prog. I classify in Clooz as Stray if I haven't yet proved that the person is mine and Unrel (for unrelated) if I know they never will be included in my family tree. That eliminates the need for adding an additional ID number.. What do others do, I wonder? Stella Howlett BC, Canada > Hi - - I, too, have a puzzlement about how to record data > for folks who are > not in my line. I have 4 data bases with lots of folks > in them. Without > going into lots of research I do not know which Joseph > Correll, or Magdalena > Correll to which I should attach a document. Share > brainstorms with me, > too. Vince Correll, Fresno, CA > [PS- I have well over 100 documents recorded in Clooz for > my family and find > it MOST helpful. VIC

Hi - - I have not recorded by family for the very reasons that Liz explains. Her system allows only one copy of a document to support all family surnames. It works! Vince C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenni Ford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: [Clooz] numbering/filing systems > Has anyone had experience with using alternate numbering than what is > recommended by the program documentation? I'd be interested in hearing > what others are doing. > > I am inclined to leave my (already sorted) documents by family with > subgroups by document. Has anyone else tried this? Successfully or > unsuccessfully? > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hi - - I, too, have a puzzlement about how to record data for folks who are not in my line. I have 4 data bases with lots of folks in them. Without going into lots of research I do not know which Joseph Correll, or Magdalena Correll to which I should attach a document. Share brainstorms with me, too. Vince Correll, Fresno, CA [PS- I have well over 100 documents recorded in Clooz for my family and find it MOST helpful. VIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Lindley (Girten)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] Clooz for a surname organization > Cathy, I know the list hasn't had much activity lately, except dealing with > the latest update. I'm sure it's related to the tragedy in New York that > still continues to overwhelm many. > > I found your message intriguing, not because I'm involved in any surname > association to the degree that you seem to be, but because you further > expanded my awareness of the potential of this product. > > I would imagine that it could work well for the very purpose you mention, > although I would also think it would require a massive amount of > cross-matching and creating of the database of individuals to start. > Perhaps not, and I hope Liz or others would brainstorm this idea in the list > itself. > > I hope too that you will keep us all apprised of the methodology you adopt > to pursue this potential for the program. The thought processes you apply > will undoubtedly be useful for other applications that arise in the future. > > Wish I could help you more, > Marianne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine H Lippert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:56 PM > Subject: [Clooz] Clooz for a surname organization > > > > Has anyone used Clooz to organize the various pieces of paper and > > documents accumulated by a surname society or family group organization? > > > > I have a copy of Clooz, but haven't found the time to use it with my own > > database yet, so I don't have any idea how it might work as above. > > > > The Lokrig Family Association has several file drawers of miscellaneous > > documents and would like to sort the information sensibly and make it > > available electronically. Has anyone done something like this? > > > > Cathy Lippert > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

I downloaded and installed the 1.23 patch. Should I delete any of the old Clooz files? If so how do I know what to delete? When a do an explorer search looking for Clooz*.* I don't see any files labeled clooz1.23, should I? Thanks for the help. JH Todd

Has anyone had experience with using alternate numbering than what is recommended by the program documentation? I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing. I am inclined to leave my (already sorted) documents by family with subgroups by document. Has anyone else tried this? Successfully or unsuccessfully?

The installation would have deleted any files that you don't need. Don't delete anything that's there now. The Clooz program file is called clooz.mde. On Tue, 25 September 2001, [email protected] wrote: > > I downloaded and installed the 1.23 patch. > Should I delete any of the old Clooz files? If so how do I know what to > delete? When a do an explorer search looking for Clooz*.* I don't see any > files labeled clooz1.23, should I? > > Thanks for the help. > > JH Todd > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp This is a temporary e-mail address. Please reply to [email protected] Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Creator of Clooz--the electronic filing cabinet for genealogical records http://www.clooz.com Managing Editor, Genealogical Computing Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

Cathy, I know the list hasn't had much activity lately, except dealing with the latest update. I'm sure it's related to the tragedy in New York that still continues to overwhelm many. I found your message intriguing, not because I'm involved in any surname association to the degree that you seem to be, but because you further expanded my awareness of the potential of this product. I would imagine that it could work well for the very purpose you mention, although I would also think it would require a massive amount of cross-matching and creating of the database of individuals to start. Perhaps not, and I hope Liz or others would brainstorm this idea in the list itself. I hope too that you will keep us all apprised of the methodology you adopt to pursue this potential for the program. The thought processes you apply will undoubtedly be useful for other applications that arise in the future. Wish I could help you more, Marianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine H Lippert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:56 PM Subject: [Clooz] Clooz for a surname organization > Has anyone used Clooz to organize the various pieces of paper and > documents accumulated by a surname society or family group organization? > > I have a copy of Clooz, but haven't found the time to use it with my own > database yet, so I don't have any idea how it might work as above. > > The Lokrig Family Association has several file drawers of miscellaneous > documents and would like to sort the information sensibly and make it > available electronically. Has anyone done something like this? > > Cathy Lippert > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

On Tue, 18 September 2001, Kathy Brown wrote: > > I just downloaded and installed the Clooz demo and opened the sample > database and have a few questions. > > The "All Censuses" reports shows 3 censuses with several people. The "All > Documents" report has no census documents. Why not? Documents is a different category than censuses. The All Documents report only shows items that were entered into the Document template. Censuses are entered into the census template; therefore the need for the All Censuses report. > > I can't find the report shown in the manual "Select Person Report with All > Documents". Where is it on the menus? Click on Reports, then People, then Select Person. It will take you to the People selection screen. You then select a person and click on the Print Preview button. You're then prompted whether you want to view the person with all documents or just with that person's primary documents. > > Can Clooz be used to document searches with negative results (like a > research log)? If so, is there any documentation of how to do this in the > manual or help files? Not yet. This is a temporary e-mail address. Please reply to [email protected] Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Creator of Clooz--the electronic filing cabinet for genealogical records http://www.clooz.com Managing Editor, Genealogical Computing Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

Has anyone used Clooz to organize the various pieces of paper and documents accumulated by a surname society or family group organization? I have a copy of Clooz, but haven't found the time to use it with my own database yet, so I don't have any idea how it might work as above. The Lokrig Family Association has several file drawers of miscellaneous documents and would like to sort the information sensibly and make it available electronically. Has anyone done something like this? Cathy Lippert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I just downloaded and installed the Clooz demo and opened the sample database and have a few questions. The "All Censuses" reports shows 3 censuses with several people. The "All Documents" report has no census documents. Why not? I can't find the report shown in the manual "Select Person Report with All Documents". Where is it on the menus? Can Clooz be used to document searches with negative results (like a research log)? If so, is there any documentation of how to do this in the manual or help files? Thanks! Kathy

What documents would you use for the death/burial template. Obituaries? Funeral bullitins? Or just information received from a funeral home or cemetery?

Good morning Clooz list- I have just downloaded the patch and imported a new data set with the use of Legacy- very easy to do. My problem comes when trying to archive the data set at the Clooz hub- I choose archive, the data set and then receive the following Error 3001, Invalid argument. Any ideas, please? Anita Reid

Regarding the missing digit on the census buttons, we've discovered it's a difference in graphic cards. I never could have predicted this as I tried the patch on several machines and the buttons looked fine. I have the same settings on my machine as several of the people that supplied me with information, who can't see that last digit. I can easily see the digit. So, I apologize for this inconvenience. The next version will correct the problem. I'm happy that it's at least not a problem with the functioning of the program. On Sat, 15 September 2001, "Helen E. Helman" wrote: > > Glad to hear that others such as John and Keith have last digit missing for > the year of each of the US censuses. Thought it was just my downloading. > Other than that, really like the patch. > Beth > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library This is a temporary e-mail address. Please reply to [email protected] Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, CGL Creator of Clooz--the electronic filing cabinet for genealogical records http://www.clooz.com Managing Editor, Genealogical Computing Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

Glad to hear that others such as John and Keith have last digit missing for the year of each of the US censuses. Thought it was just my downloading. Other than that, really like the patch. Beth

Hi. I am a brand new user of Clooz. I have practiced entering several types of transactions, have upgraded to Ver 1.23, and just ordered the video. Is there any advice you would give me, e.g. things you have set up differently now if you had known __________ when you started? Thanks, Jenni Ford PS This is also my first time as a subscriber of a mail list. I am sure if I am breaking protocol some one will let me know...

Bruce, I must agree with Liz on this point. The majority of documents I have added to Clooz do not show the full or proper name of the individual concerned. Many census records list the same individual with diferent names on each census - sometimes first name only, sometimes middle name, sometimes a misspelled name. I, for one, would not want this feature changed. Best wishes, John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: [Clooz] Re: Clooz-D Digest V01 #108 > In a message dated 9/11/01 11:08:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > I have the same general question for document details. The surname and > > given > > > name could be transferred from the initial screen. > > > > > > This is by design. The name fields in the detail screen are there for you > > to record the people's names as they actually appear in documents, not how > > you know them or have them recorded in your genealogy program. If the > > program did this for you, it wouldn't be accurately recording names. This > > is where you record misspellings and maiden or married names, etc. > > > > Sorry. Liz, but I think you are definitely off base on this one. The > instances where one needs to edit the names on the detail screen are > relatively few. The majority of the entries will match the linked names. > Bruce > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

In a message dated 9/11/01 11:08:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > I have the same general question for document details. The surname and > given > > name could be transferred from the initial screen. > > > This is by design. The name fields in the detail screen are there for you > to record the people's names as they actually appear in documents, not how > you know them or have them recorded in your genealogy program. If the > program did this for you, it wouldn't be accurately recording names. This > is where you record misspellings and maiden or married names, etc. > Sorry. Liz, but I think you are definitely off base on this one. The instances where one needs to edit the names on the detail screen are relatively few. The majority of the entries will match the linked names. Bruce

Thanks for the info on photo and document details. I experimented with that today. A question - I open photos; select a photo; then there's a list that shows the linked people. When I click on details I get another screen. Why aren't/can't the surname and name and description be automatically transferred from the list of linked people by the program? This information is likely to be exactly the same as on the first screen (showing linked people). It seems like a lot of extra effort to have to rekey all that information. If there's a programming reason it can't be done. could the report get its data from the linked screen and then the data would show up on the report without someone having to rekey it into the individual detail screens? I have the same general question for document details. The surname and given name could be transferred from the initial screen. Perhaps there's a way to do this and I'm missing it. JH Todd > You need to enter details for each person in order for the information to > appear on the reports. You click on the details button next to each > person's name that you've linked and put in the details about that person > in that document. This is discussed in the Clooz Manual and in the video. >