We downloaded OK, but I've got my gedcom and have tried for hours to gedcom some people into Clooz so I can try out the beta testing model. My gedcom will only work with Legacy. Is anyone else able to gedcom into Clooz without Legacy? There is no other option. Dottie Nash

With Clooz 2 open, I opened Legacy which paused while opening with a message to the effect that the family file was in us by another user. Is there a conflict here? David Williams

Dick Davis and rest of list, My problem downloading was my slow dialup connection. I went to the Library and used the wireless system and had it done in 20 minuets. Thanks. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Karen Creamer [mailto:karenc@thepoint.net] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:03 AM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clooz] 2.0 Download I had no problem downloading the file on a dialup connection (7 hrs) BUT after I downloaded it, I tried to install it and discovered that it only runs on Windows XP. I use Windows 2000 Professional on all 4 of my computers, so apparently I will not be able to run the program. Too bad...I was looking forward to it. Karen Creamer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [Clooz] 2.0 Download > I have not had any problem in downloading from the website. > > > AOL/AIM -- DDavis5310, Yahoo - - DickDavis60, MSN - - FDDavis53 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl [mailto:carle@enter.net] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Clooz] 2.0 Download > > Anybody have trouble downloading the Beta Clooz? I get a message Error > reading setup Initialization file. > It took 18 hours to download the first time; I have a dial up connection and > not the best phone lines in the world but have never taken that long to > download anything. Second try took about eight and half hours and still get > the same message. My next step is to go to the public Library and download > on high speed connection. > > Any Clooz (:>))) to what, besides the poor dial up, that may be my problem. > > Carl > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/298 - Release Date: 3/30/2006 > > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

David, there are two sites to download from. If you go to Clooz.com, you'll see two choices. Try them both. They are working, but may be overloaded at times. At 05:03 PM 4/1/2006, David P. Williams wrote: >Try as I might, I don't seem to be able to get a download started. I have a >broadband connection and am using Download Accelerator, but continuously get >the message 'Site disconnected at the beginning. Please try again later'. Is >anyone else having this problem? Is the site overloaded perhaps? > >David Williams > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Thank you Liz and Dick. It was a problem with Download Accelerator. I've got it now. David Williams

During installation I got a message that Clooz 2.0 optionally uses Microsoft Net framework. Not being a fan of MS I said no, the installation aborted. I tried again and against better judgement installed the MS program, installation went OK until an error message "Error1931, cannot update scrrun.dll as it is windows protected...." I said OK and the installation proceeded and was apparently was successful. It would seem MS framework is NOT optional, and updating scrrun.dll is not necessary.

Try as I might, I don't seem to be able to get a download started. I have a broadband connection and am using Download Accelerator, but continuously get the message 'Site disconnected at the beginning. Please try again later'. Is anyone else having this problem? Is the site overloaded perhaps? David Williams

I had no problem downloading the file on a dialup connection (7 hrs) BUT after I downloaded it, I tried to install it and discovered that it only runs on Windows XP. I use Windows 2000 Professional on all 4 of my computers, so apparently I will not be able to run the program. Too bad...I was looking forward to it. Karen Creamer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [Clooz] 2.0 Download > I have not had any problem in downloading from the website. > > > AOL/AIM -- DDavis5310, Yahoo - - DickDavis60, MSN - - FDDavis53 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl [mailto:carle@enter.net] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Clooz] 2.0 Download > > Anybody have trouble downloading the Beta Clooz? I get a message Error > reading setup Initialization file. > It took 18 hours to download the first time; I have a dial up connection and > not the best phone lines in the world but have never taken that long to > download anything. Second try took about eight and half hours and still get > the same message. My next step is to go to the public Library and download > on high speed connection. > > Any Clooz (:>))) to what, besides the poor dial up, that may be my problem. > > Carl > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/298 - Release Date: 3/30/2006 > >

I have not had any problem in downloading from the website. AOL/AIM -- DDavis5310, Yahoo - - DickDavis60, MSN - - FDDavis53 -----Original Message----- From: Carl [mailto:carle@enter.net] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:06 PM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clooz] 2.0 Download Anybody have trouble downloading the Beta Clooz? I get a message Error reading setup Initialization file. It took 18 hours to download the first time; I have a dial up connection and not the best phone lines in the world but have never taken that long to download anything. Second try took about eight and half hours and still get the same message. My next step is to go to the public Library and download on high speed connection. Any Clooz (:>))) to what, besides the poor dial up, that may be my problem. Carl ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Anybody have trouble downloading the Beta Clooz? I get a message Error reading setup Initialization file. It took 18 hours to download the first time; I have a dial up connection and not the best phone lines in the world but have never taken that long to download anything. Second try took about eight and half hours and still get the same message. My next step is to go to the public Library and download on high speed connection. Any Clooz (:>))) to what, besides the poor dial up, that may be my problem. Carl

OK, the final beta is up on my website for you to download. You can click here to download ftp://ancestordetective.com/pub/setup.exe or you can download from www.clooz.com. Feel free to play with the program and convert your database or import a GEDCOM. You can now use Clooz with Legacy 6.0. Instructions for using Clooz 2.0 are in Clooz Help. This final beta will expire on 15 April 2006, so feel free to input data until then, but realize this is a beta version and you should not enter data you don't mind entering again. It's possible that the database structure may change as a result of this beta test, so don't get too wed to the data you input in this version. If you find any problems that you'd like to report to me, please send an e-mail and include the following information. We really need you to stick to this format so we know where the problem lies: * error description * steps which led to the error * screen shot of the error * db name and file attached * mdb file (for conversion error) * Clooz build used (found in Help/About Clooz) * Comments * Operating system Thanks again and hopefully the long wait for Clooz 2.0 will be worth it! Enjoy! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Liz, I agree with Marion - take your time - since I have programming experience (many years ago) I know how difficult it is to get the bugs out - and get it running - so take the time you need. A great program like Clooz is worth waiting for. Cheryl

Liz, Please take your time and do it the way you want to do it. We'll wait. Marion Smith Whiting

Carl Wrote: > All Good things take time, Gary. Give Liz and her programmers time to give > us a program they can be proud of and one we will enjoy using without a lot > of head aches, unlike some programs I have that are two versions ahead of > the one I am using and they still don't have all the bugs out of my version. > > Family Tree Maker came out with a new version every six months; it didn't > have any thing new it just fixed the bugs in the previous one. > > Carl Carl, Yes, I totally agree with you on this, but releasing access to an existing Beta version is a little different, isn't it? Really, isn't it just potentially accepting more beta testers prior to the main release in April. In effect testing the program with an added range of hardware and conditions? Sorry I am not meaning to sound argumentative, just anxious. Cheers, Gary

I apologize for the delay. Nothing with the programming of version 2 has gone on the schedule that I would have preferred. I couldn't get the final beta to even install on my computer so I couldn't upload it. We're still working out some of the details with that. Problem is that we had to purchase a new version of Install Shield and it came with a bunch of bugs itself and my programmers have had their hands full figuring out those bugs. Compound that problem with the fact that I'm out of town and working with a laptop that doesn't have everything I need. So, I was premature telling everyone that the final beta would be uploaded last week and I apologize. I am hopeful that I'll be able to get it uploaded this week. I have an e-mail from my programmer now that I need to look at and if we can get the bugs worked out, the beta will be uploaded. I'll announce it here and on my website when it's available. Please remember that it will be a beta and you probably shouldn't do too much data entry in case we have changes to the database structure as a result of the beta testing. Liz Kerstens At 06:25 PM 3/25/2006, Carl wrote: >All Good things take time, Gary. Give Liz and her programmers time to give >us a program they can be proud of and one we will enjoy using without a lot >of head aches, unlike some programs I have that are two versions ahead of >the one I am using and they still don't have all the bugs out of my version. > >Family Tree Maker came out with a new version every six months; it didn't >have any thing new it just fixed the bugs in the previous one. > >Carl > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Moyers [mailto:gmoyers@usit.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:49 AM >To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Clooz] public beta coming? > >Looks like we are gon'na push that week of the 20th for beta release >right to the end, huh? Sorry I'm just anxious to try it out. >Gary > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

All Good things take time, Gary. Give Liz and her programmers time to give us a program they can be proud of and one we will enjoy using without a lot of head aches, unlike some programs I have that are two versions ahead of the one I am using and they still don't have all the bugs out of my version. Family Tree Maker came out with a new version every six months; it didn't have any thing new it just fixed the bugs in the previous one. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Gary Moyers [mailto:gmoyers@usit.net] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:49 AM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clooz] public beta coming? Looks like we are gon'na push that week of the 20th for beta release right to the end, huh? Sorry I'm just anxious to try it out. Gary ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Looks like we are gon'na push that week of the 20th for beta release right to the end, huh? Sorry I'm just anxious to try it out. Gary

I have forgotten the address for the archived files and would appreciate if Liz or someone could send it to me. Thanks. Joan

>At 09:08 AM 3/13/2006, Sue wrote: >>Congratulations! >> >>For those of us who pre-ordered, should we assume that it will be coming in >>the mail soon? > >Actually, as I indicated in the e-mail below, the first release of >Clooz will be a download only. This is because some of the reports >will not be included at first. Once the reports are added, everyone >that paid will get a CD in the mail. > >Testing is slower than usual, of course. We haven't finished beta >testing yet. In fact, I'm hoping to have our final beta available >this week. I plan to make it publicly available so everyone can play >with it and see what they think. Since it will be a beta, it will >expire on 15 April 2006, by which time I really hope to have the >final version out to everyone who has paid. So, watch for an >announcement here (and hopefully in Eastman's Newsletter) about >where to download the final beta and begin playing with the new >version. There is a risk in playing with a beta, however. There's a >slight chance that we may have to change something in the database >where you data will be imported into. Therefore, it is possible that >if you start doing heavy data entry in the beta, you may have to >start again with the final release. I'm hoping this isn't the case, >but with any beta, that's always a possibility. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL [mailto:liz@ancestordetective.com] >>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:45 AM >>To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [Clooz] Clooz 2 update >> >>The upgrade is $20 with no shipping right now. When it's publicly >>released, shipping charges will be added. >> >>Clooz is only guaranteed to work with Windows XP and 2003. It may >>work on Windows 2000, but we can't guarantee that. >> >>At 06:50 AM 3/11/2006, Glenny~~Capriella wrote: >> >I Have missed a lot..how much is it? And you say it will work on 2000? >> > >> > >> >Glenny >> >www.mmrer.com >> >My Ebay Store http://stores.ebay.com/Share-the-Abundance >> > >> > >> >Make YOUR voice heard on National Animal ID System at: >> >http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/369063795 >> > >> >AOL IM: glenny >> >Yahoo: glennycap >> >MSN: capriella@earthlink.net >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL" <liz@ancestordetective.com> >> >To: <Clooz-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 AM >> >Subject: [Clooz] Clooz 2 update >> > >> > >> > > Hi everyone, I wanted to give you an update on the progress of Clooz >> > > 2. We are currently in our second round of beta testing. We will have >> > > one more round (probably next week) and then we'll release the first >> > > version of Clooz 2 hopefully by the beginning of March. Beta testing >> > > is going well. Of course we're finding bugs and quirks, but I think >> > > the testers are happy over all. >> > > >> > > When Clooz 2 is released, it will initially only be available as a >> > > download. This is because not all of the reports will be in it yet. >> > > We will continue to work on Clooz 2 and when the release with all the >> > > reports is ready, we'll burn CDs and everyone who has paid for a copy >> > > will get their CDs mailed to them. There are reports in the initial >> > > release, but mostly what's not there yet are the individual reports, >> > > such as a report for a specific census. But, you'll be able to add >> > > data for all the templates, you just won't be able to print everything >>out >> >yet. >> > > >> > > Clooz 2 requires Windows XP or Windows 2003. Those are the operating >> > > systems we are supporting. Some testers have tested with Windows ME >> > > and Windows 2000 with good results, but we can't support those >> > > operating systems because Microsoft doesn't or is discontinuing >> > > support this year. >> > > >> > > Thank you to everyone who has purchased Clooz in advance. These >> > > purchases have allowed me to continue to develop Clooz and to get it >> > > ready for the market place. I am very appreciative of this support >> > > and confidence and I am sure that you will think that Clooz 2 has >> > > been worth the wait. I'm very excited about it and can't wait to >> > > start using it myself. I have a bunch of non-population schedules >> > > that I want to enter as soon as we are done testing. >> > > >> > > If you're thinking about purchasing the new version in advance, you >> > > can still do so and save on postage. When the product is released, I >> > > will start charging for postage again, so at this point you're saving >> > > at least $5.05 on your order. >> > > >> > > Thanks again for your patience. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Will Clooz 123 still be supported after the release of the new version? If so, for how long? Judy in Ocala