This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've never met anyone who ever had direct contact with Evelyn to have been disappointed by her knowledge and ardor in regard to Claypool family research. Indeed, her work seems to be the most prolific of anyone I've looked at, and if anyone does have a problem with it, I'm guessing that she would have been the most interested of anyone as to why. I never met her, wish sorely that I had, and appreciate deeply those who have and are willing to share her insights along the way. I've never met anyone yet who intentionally tried to throw a monkey-wrench into genealogical research. From what I have read of her, somehow I suspect that kind of motivation would have been the absolute furthest thing from her heart. And, as you've said, we all do owe her both respect and gratitude. Most of what we "know" is because of either her direct efforts, or because she laid out her case in such a way that her footsteps are very easily traceable. Really, what more could we ask? Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That Cromwell's daughter had married a Claypoole is not an undocumented occurrence of history. Over the years it has been "discussed" as to which Claypoole married "Crowmwell's favorite daughter" in 1646. The most generally accepted theory is that Cromwell's son-in-law turns out not to be a direct ancestor of mine, but rather a many times Great-Grand Uncle to my line. The dates line up to indicate that Elizabeth's husband was most likely the son of Sir John and Mary (Angell) Claypool. My first James, out of my succession of 3 James Claypooles in subsequent generations, was a younger son of John and Mary, and was also the James Claypoole who died in 1687 in Philadelphia. My James I, however, does not apprear to be the first of my branch of the family to arrive in America. Penn had assigned land to James I, and at least James I's son James II arrived earlier than to assess the situation and begin to lay plans (along with a trusted employee of James I) for the family dwelling of James I. About this time, as well, Cromwell's grandson James, who evidently spent much of his time in the West Indies (Jamaica being one of the places) also seems to be frequenting Philadelphia. He also seems to predate the James that your focus appears to be addressing. Another of James I and John's younger brothers, Norton Claypoole, may also have establishing himself in the Philadelphia area, though more on the Jersey side of the river than the Pennsylvania side. Norton also had a son James, who shows up in the written accounts of the area. The "confusion of the James Claypooles" in early Pennsylvania history is enough to make my head spin, and I've only begun the study. Interestingly, it appears that more than one James Claypoole served as "sheriff," further muddling the issue of which James was which. Yet another factor that seems to muddle the identities is that the claims of colonial territory in regard to which "colony" entity a certain tract of land belonged to gets to be a tedious progression to follow through with. This also muddies the water substantially. I suspect that as otherwise suggested, there's probably still work to be done in sorting out and documentally establishing the descendancies of just about any of these early Claypoole families. And yes, I would agree, both Elizabeth Cromwell and Betsy Ross figure in at some point. Just not down my direct line, or so far as anyone has figured yet. 'tis an interesting way to look at the history of a nation! Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Joe & tc. My initial interest in the Claypoole family came from discovering that it was my 4th grandmother Eliza's maiden name and that her Claypooles were 'related' to Oliver Cromwell. The latter connection was a oral tradition in 'my' line of the Claypoole/Binning/Chapman family, handed down from generation to generation. A cousin that I met for the first time less than 10 years ago, whose line had lost contact with my line in the 1870s, also had that same oral tradition! Rebecca Irwin Graff's work noted the Philadelphia Claypooles had a similar tradition - Benjamin Franklin recorded that 'connection' when he commented on the circumstances of Philadelphia alderman George Claypoole's (1675-1730/1) death. Graff states that this George was a son of James Claypoole (1634-1687), Quaker and migrant. George & Deborah Claypoole's surviving son, Abraham(1723-1751) relationship to James Claypoole(1720/1-1784), Sheriff of Philadelphia 1777-1780 is confirmed by Abraham's will. I claim my line's descent from James the Sheriff's son, known as James Claypoole Jr in the art world. Charles Willson Peale's 1812 letter to his son Rembrandt confirms the relationship between these two men - see my website www.claypoolefamily.com for further evidence! Barry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tchoupt1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Evelyn Bracken did great work and anyone interested in Claypool(e) family history owes her big debt of gratitude. I corresponded with her before her death, trying to sort out the parentage of James Claypoole III of Lost River and she really did try hard to get things right. However, there is always the temptation to take at face value someone else's unproven assumption or hypothesis which then gets repeated as fact. She compiled such an enormous volume of information that you can be certain there are errors. I think every family historian has to look for the evidence underlying every reported lineage. That's part of the fun. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Barry, I've come to read with interest your site. I've been aware of it for quite some time, and appreciate the effort you've put into it. What I've come to realize is that none of your James Claypooles are direct ancestors of my line. There are enough James Claypooles to confuse anyone, and it's really not all that surprising that over the years that there has been disagreement as to how to sort them all out. I've got three of them to deal with (and BTW, earlier I asked if the James in Hardy County, WV was James IV in my line. In reality, James IV in my line was Jesse's brother, and ended up in NW Illinois, so I've got one of them figured out :-) My guess is that James "the painter" was not a direct descendant of William Penn's trusted friend, the James Claypoole who died in 1687 in Philadelphia. On the other hand, I could be completely wrong with my guess, and even if I'm right, my guess really doesn't give much clue as to who "the painter" was. But, you're right, there has been several different hypotheses, theories, and guesses along that line. Obviously they can't all be correct. Hopefully much of this can be sorted out with the advent of digitized books and manuscripts in this age of internet accessibility. And, I agree, there appears to be a need for the sorting process to be worked through very carefully. In my journey I've come to appreciate even the incorrect data. Sometimes, someone else's mis-aligned short-cut reminds me not to make similar ones of my own. And, years from now, someone else will be having a "you can't trust what they've got out" discussion about "our" efforts as well. But, that hardly means that we should stop trying to "get it right" with the resources available to us either. And so, I press on :-) Thanks for the heads-up! Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not exactly positive where Gundy is, but I'm guessing that it's probably not far from "the old home place" in Newell Township. Don and I exchange emails from time to time. He, along with my brother Birt, have probably done the most in-depth work on the John and Ruth line of anyone I know. Both of them, as far as I can tell, also believe that the connection from John to Jesse is through Jonathan and Hannah, but neither are any more certain of it than I am. For that matter, other than the oral tradition which evidently Bracken followed, they're probably the only ones that I know of who have found the marriage permissions for John and George Washington, with Jesse's signature on them. So, the trail seems to be strong, in one sense, that of oral tradition and "family legend." But to say that we "have it documented" may be a little beyond the scope of certainty. BTW, if anyone is interested in seeing some of the stuff that has been verified, or at least conversations about it, feed free to check out www.hittle.info , go to the bulletin board section and check out the Claypool board there. Some of the questions that I started with have been addressed. And, if you're at all interested, the Birt Claypool family reunion is always the 4th Sunday in June at Christman Park in Rossville, Illinois, just north of Danville on Route 1. We'd be thrilled to have visitors! Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Joe, While I'm not descended from your later Claypoole line, what caught my attention is your comment "What I'm hoping to stumble across is a source other than Bracken which ties our John to Jesse." You are right to query Evelyn C. Bracken's work! Anyone who is a serious family historian needs to check her work, as she referenced little primary or reputable secondary sources for her claims. She hijacked my line's descendancy with the her claim that James Claypole of Armstrong Co., PA was the son of James Claypoole Sr., 1721-1784 (Gregorian calendar), rather than James Claypoole Jr., c1743-1822, portrait painter of Philadelphia and Kingston, Jamaica. Good luck with your ongoing research. Barry Chapman www.claypoolefamily.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [CLAYPOOLE] Jesse Claypoole - Bath County, Kentucky This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What I'm hoping to stumble across is a source other than Bracken which ties our John to Jesse. Others have attempted to backtrack her logic. Other than her version of a caregiver's recollection, the closest thing to documentation that I've heard of having been located is that Jesse evidently signed both John and George W.'s marriage permissions (it appears neither of them were 21 at marriage) as their "guardian." I'm guessing that there is an Orphan's Court record someplace which establishes that, but no-one I've talked to has found it yet. Another hopeful quest for me is to attempt to sort out Jonathan and Hannah's family, as well as pinpoint his time and place of death/burial. (as well as hers, for that matter). Jonathan should be on some tax-rolls someplace, but I haven't found them as of yet either. Questions?? I have TONS of them :-) I'm also working on the Vermilion County families, and little by little I think I'm making progress in that area. I'm probably far behind what others have accomplished. I need to get to Gundy and take pictures next time I'm in the area (I live in Iowa). Thanks for your interest. It's always good to meet "new" cousins! And I'm always interested. Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joe, While I'm not descended from your later Claypoole line, what caught my attention is your comment "What I'm hoping to stumble across is a source other than Bracken which ties our John to Jesse." You are right to query Evelyn C. Bracken's work! Anyone who is a serious family historian needs to check her work, as she referenced little primary or reputable secondary sources for her claims. She hijacked my line's descendancy with the her claim that James Claypole of Armstrong Co., PA was the son of James Claypoole Sr., 1721-1784 (Gregorian calendar), rather than James Claypoole Jr., c1743-1822, portrait painter of Philadelphia and Kingston, Jamaica. Good luck with your ongoing research. Barry www.claypoolefamily.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tchoupt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Gundy is a beautiful cemetary. My parents are buried there, my grandparents and my great grand parents Andrew and Mary Claypool, along with Andrew's brother James, and I think Squire as well, all children of John and Ruth. As you probably know the next generation back is at Walnut Corners. Have you communicated with Don Claypool of Oakwood IL? I don't know if he is still living but he did lots of work on our line. Let me know if you can find evidence outside of Braken to prove the connection you are looking for. I have assumed it but it would be great to have primary sources. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What I'm hoping to stumble across is a source other than Bracken which ties our John to Jesse. Others have attempted to backtrack her logic. Other than her version of a caregiver's recollection, the closest thing to documentation that I've heard of having been located is that Jesse evidently signed both John and George W.'s marriage permissions (it appears neither of them were 21 at marriage) as their "guardian." I'm guessing that there is an Orphan's Court record someplace which establishes that, but no-one I've talked to has found it yet. Another hopeful quest for me is to attempt to sort out Jonathan and Hannah's family, as well as pinpoint his time and place of death/burial. (as well as hers, for that matter). Jonathan should be on some tax-rolls someplace, but I haven't found them as of yet either. Questions?? I have TONS of them :-) I'm also working on the Vermilion County families, and little by little I think I'm making progress in that area. I'm probably far behind what others have accomplished. I need to get to Gundy and take pictures next time I'm in the area (I live in Iowa). Thanks for your interest. It's always good to meet "new" cousins! And I'm always interested. Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tchoupt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joe, did you get your questions answered? I am also a descendant of John and Ruth Wiggins Claypool(e) through their son Andrew Wood Claypool who was my great-grandfather. I have quite a bit of information on Claypool family history if you are interested. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: durhamrw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/58.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I located them in the 1880 census in Salado, TX. We had a serious house fire back in May (dishwasher) and all of my records are scattered around in boxes and files that were removed while we rebuild. I think they were in the 1900 census in Coleman,TX as I recall. If you want to communicate via regular email, my personal email is [email protected] or [email protected] I communicated about a year ago with a man in the Dallas area that was also related to Annie Francis Kennedy, except closer to the Kennedy side. I'll try to locate that. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Ashburn; Claypoole; Kennedy; Mills Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/58.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you found James Dickson/Rebecca/Annie Francis Kennedy in any of the US censuses? If so, which years? neither Rebecca I. Graff's 1893 Claypoole genealogy nor Sam Claypoole/Evelyn c. Bracken's works list your forbears, as far as I can find. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: durhamrw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/58.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: All help is sincerely appreciated. This has been a dead end for me and I just can't imagine that my great grandmother made all that up. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Patch227 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/58.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to doc. records, Besty's children to Asburn, Zilla dies young, Eliza m Capt Isaac Stillman had several children. To John Claypool she had Clarissa Sidney Claypoole, who m Jacob WIlson, went to Ft Madison Iowa, d 1864 Susan Claypoole m Abel Satterthwaie Rachel m Edward Jones, and John Fletcher Jane m Caleb Canby and Harriet d an infant. Not sure this helps, but there is alot out there on her, I'll send you some sites that you could contact. Barbara Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: durhamrw Surnames: Ross Ashburn Claypoole Kennedy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/58.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My posting was a little misleading when I used "Ross". I have confirmed that there were no children by John Ross but I think she had children while married to Ashburn / Claypoole. That has to be where the connection is, I just don't know where. As far as the Kennedy's are concerned, every piece of information I have is in the posting. James Dickson Kennedy is my great great grandfather and is buried in the Talpa cemetery outside of Coleman, Texas. He lived in Salado, Texas in the 1870's and moved to Coleman in about 1884. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: YamiUmi Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/58.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As far as I can find, Elizabeth Griscom did not have any children by John Ross. I would like to discuss your lineage with you in more depth, seeing as how I'm also related to the Ross' and the Kennedy's. I'm wondering how closely the two of us are related. E-mail at [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shawzy Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/5.10/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you are still interested, I have a rather lengthly biography of Dr. John Claypoole from Lee co. Iowa. This Dr. Claypoole was born in Hampshire co. VA in 1798 & died May 1866. I am not related, nor am I researching this man or the family .... but I ran across your query & thought I'd let you know about the bio. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole, Cinderson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/132/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for any information on Curtis Claypoole, b. 1867, Ohio, died Botetourt Co. between 1920 & 1930. Found in the 1910 & 1920 censuses, 1920 occupation: "Auditor". Also looking for more info on his widow, Nellie or Millie Claypoole b. abt 1890, head of household 1930 census (page 133A), living Glen Wilton, Fincastle District, Botetourt and her son James Claypoole, born Oct/Nov 1919. Thanks in anticipation, Barry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole, Claypool, Claypole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/126.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In February 2008, the Register of Wills, City Hall, Philadelphia announced that the letters of administration, dated September 24th 1784, and the administrator, David Chambers Claypoole's report(s) for the estate of James Claypoole, Sr. (1720/21-1784), were 'missing' from their archives. In April 2008, Claypoole/Claypool researcher Ron Walker found an August 1st 1794 true copy of the original letters of administration was held at the Delaware Archives, in the New Castle County Will Index 1683-1920, Administration Index; Admin Book N, Vol. I, page 446. Bonnie Bergquist, also a Claypoole/Claypool researcher, obtained a photocopy of the 1794 "true copy" from Delaware, which has since been transcribed and added to Appendix 1, Timeline for James Claypoole, Sr. on www.claypoolefamily.com Barry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.