This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mickdammit Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/128.1.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I had come across Barry's site when trying to verify information I found on the LDS Family Search site (which apparently was derived from Bracken's work). That's kind of how I got here in the first place. I am interested in finding our James' parents. Thanks for the email address, you'll be hearing from me shortly. I hope you're right. I was getting kind of used to shouting, "Off with their heads!" I'm making a trip this afternoon to the Franklin Union Baptist Church cemetery to see who I can dig up there (haha). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Kathie young Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/128.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barry does have an excellent site. You should look at it. If you are interested in trying to locate James' real parentage e-mail me at: [email protected] Don't throw away your crown jewels too soon, I am sure we still go back to the Claypooles in England either through James or his brother Norton. Kathie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole, Claypole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/128.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not descended from James Claypoole of Armstrong Co. (Kathie Young is) but am descended from James Claypoole, portrait painter, of Philadelphia and Jamaica, WI. Everything I have on James of Armstrong Co. can be found at www.claypoolefamily.com in Section 3 and Appendix 3. You may find material there that is new for you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mickdammit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/128.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well, I just hope it's not too late for me to get my deposit back on the jewel encrusted tiara and sceptre I ordered when it appeared to me that I was descended from the crowned heads of Europe. Easy come, easy go. I am descended from James Claypoole and Lucretia Garwood, and live in Armstrong County. I'm very interested in any new information regarding James' background. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "The intent of my contributions to the discussions/statements in this forum is to identify and quote documented evidence in support of any claims I have made/may make. When are documented facts relevant to a discussion pointless? Perhaps esoteric, but pointless? Is this the "argument" you refer to?" No, actually not. I have no problem with anyone discussing evidence. But instead of that you began this and have continued this with the intimation that I (or others who have taught me) have blindly followed Bracken, that I've held that the tradition of my branch belonging to the Cromwell line is the correct one, and that I'm to discount my understanding of what caring people have taught me. You've invested a great deal of time in creating a webspace in which you openly hold Bracken in contempt, and sure seem to me to have brought that angst into this conversation. Now, that all may be my reading into what you've done, are doing here, and probably will continue to do in the future. The real shame of it is that you've done good work that's largely overwhelmed by your presentation. And, I'm guessing (hoping) that that never was your intent. But if it was, it's totally pointless Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joe, The intent of my contributions to the discussions/statements in this forum is to identify and quote documented evidence in support of any claims I have made/may make. When are documented facts relevant to a discussion pointless? Perhaps esoteric, but pointless? Is this the "argument" you refer to? For my part, I applaud your search for evidence, using reputable source material, which is evident from your posting of Dec 31, 2008, to which I'm replying. To assist others who may be interested in following our discussion, I'm inserting my comments/replies into your original 12/31/08 posting, using the following notation method {*......my words.........*}. A Happy New Year to you too! Barry Joe wrote........ However, in one of your replies, you made mention of the idea that James Jr. (son of James Sr. and Helena Mercer) had not came to America and had remained in England as a bookkeeper for the Society of Free Traders. {*No, I didn't - what I said was "It was James the migrant's eldest son John Claypoole who arrived in America before his father, mother and siblings. James Jr. remained in London, working in his father's business till the rest of the family left England on the 'Concord'."*} Then you offered a citation that I haven't been able to follow, and would like clarification. {*I cited 'James Claypoole's Letter Book.......1681-1684', edited by Marion Balderston, published 1967 by the Huntington Library, CA, USA, - from which some of your information below appears to have been taken*} However, it's highly unlikely that James, son of James and Helena, would have been left in England for a very long time at all. In 1681, in a letter to his brother in the West Indies, James Sr. attempts to send son James (then 17 according to both his father's letter and according to Sr.'s journal in which he gives Jr.'s birthdate as 1664) to Edward. The gist of the letter is that Jr. is longing for an "adventure" before settling down to his lifework.{*I agree entirely - from James Claypoole's Letter Book - letter to 'Brother Edward Claypoole' dated 'London, the 13th, 5th mo., 1681' = 13th July 1681*} It is not clear from that letter whether or not Sr. is expecting (I believe it's Edward that he's writing to) his brother to accept/approve his request. The letter is complementary to Jr's ability and intellegence, and is basically a testament to a caring father's regard for a son who he hopes is in the final stages of becoming a worthwhile man. {*I agree - see above*} However, the math of the logs of the ship Concord also imply that Jr is still with Sr on its arrival in Philadelphia in 1683. While the "7 children" of Sr. are not named, I struggle to find a more likely candidate than James to be one of the 7. {*I agree - I've never intended to infer otherwise. That James Jr. travelled with his parents and siblings, except John, on the 'Concord' is supported by a Quaker certificate from the Bull and Mouth monthly meeting, dated '11th day of the second month, 1683' = 11 April 1683, which names James Claypole [sic], his wife Helena and their children, Mary, Helena, Priscilla, James, Nathaniel, George and Joseph, as "transporting themselves...into Pennsylvania, in America"*} The previous year Sr. had sent a "servant" by the name of Cole to Philadelphia to accomplish building a dwelling for himself and his admittedly large family. {*Yes, Edward Cole was the "servant" in question.*} Your contention is that eldest son John was also sent at that time with Cole. {*I cannot recollect nor find any such contention of mine*} That is somewhat correct, and there are those publications which credit John with being the family "overseer" of the project. However, John's specific role, and appointment by William Penn himself, was to be an assistant to surveyor Thomas Holme, and therefore did not come to America on his father's terms. It is unlikely that Holme would not have availed himself of this appointment, and likely kept John Claypoole more busy with government work than would have allowed him to have much more than a cursory oversight of his father's building project. {*I agree. John Claypoole went to Pennsylvania as an assistant to surveyor Thomas Holme, leaving England in April 1682 - see Balderston, page 109*} More likely is that as I suggested, "family legend" which suggests that James Jr. was that on-site representative is probably correct. This does present a problem for those who would hold that, if indeed the math of the Concord's record is correct. However, Sr. refers to the on-site representative as "my attorney," a reference which would fit Jr's later roles in government in New Castle more closely than it would John's in Philadelphia. {*According to Balderston, James Sr. as Treasurer of the Free Society of Traders obtained the position of local secretary to the Free Society of Traders, Philadelphia, for James Jr. The original Philadelphia home for the Claypoole family, as built by/build supervised by Edward Cole, was available to James Sr. & family when they arrived in October 1683, when James Jr. was 19 years of age. James Jr. was in London, as a corresponding clerk in the family business, until he left London with his parents and siblings in July 1683. He was neither an ! attorney nor was he in Philadelphia prior to October 1683, so he couldn't have been the "on-site representative" for the first Claypoole house. Perhaps for the later larger house?*} The problem then becomes, if Jr. was that "attorney" how did he leave Philadelphia in time to return to England, and subsequently return with his parents on the Concord in 1683? The answer to that would nearly have to be that James left early after ice out in 1683, and that his brother John did indeed fill in for him with cursory visits which subsequently were interpreted as him being the sole family representative {*See above - no further comment*} It may well be that "family legend" is not correct. On the other hand, I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet which would suggest that it cannot be. {*The evidence above suggests otherwise*} ............. .........You're probably correct in pointing out that I had confused John and James Jr. as Sheriff of early Philadelphia. I'm not coming up with the reference I thought I had on hand, but am not absolutely ruling out that I may still have it and am simply not able to lay my hands on it at the moment. {*The Pennsylvania Archives record just John Claypoole (two terms, 1687-1689 and 1693-1698) and James Claypoole (1777-1780) as 'Claypoole' Sheriffs of Philadelphia*} Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barry, I'm not sure what your arguement with me is, and it seems rather pointless. However, in one of your replies, you made mention of the idea that James Jr. (son of James Sr. and Helena Mercer) had not came to America and had remained in England as a bookkeeper for the Society of Free Traders. Then you offered a citation that I haven't been able to follow, and would like clarification. However, it's highly unlikely that James, son of James and Helena, would have been left in England for a very long time at all. In 1681, in a letter to his brother in the West Indies, James Sr. attempts to send son James (then 17 according to both his father's letter and according to Sr.'s journal in which he gives Jr.'s birthdate as 1664) to Edward. The jist of the letter is that Jr. is longing for an "adventure" before settling down to his lifework. It is not clear from that letter whether or not Sr. is expecting (I believe it's Edward that he's writing to) his brother to accept/approve his request. The letter is complementary to Jr's ability and intellegence, and is basically a testament to a caring father's regard for a son who he hopes is in the final stages of becoming a worthwhile man. However, the math of the logs of the ship Concord also imply that Jr is still with Sr on its arrival in Philadelphia in 1683. While the "7 children" of Sr. are not named, I struggle to find a more likely candidate than James to be one of the 7. The previous year Sr. had sent a "servant" by the name of Cole to Philadelphia to accomplish building a dwelling for himself and his admittedly large family. Your contention is that eldest son John was also sent at that time with Cole. That is somewhat correct, and there are those publications which credit John with being the family "overseer" of the project. However, John's specific role, and appointment by William Penn himself, was to be an assistant to surveyor Thomas Holme, and therefore did not come to America on his father's terms. It is unlikely that Holme would not have availed himself of this appointment, and likely kept John Claypoole more busy with government work than would have allowed him to have much more than a cursory oversight of his father's building project. More likely is that as I suggested, "family legend" which suggests that James Jr. was that on-site representative is probably correct. This does present a problem for those who would hold that, if indeed the math of the Concord's record is correct. However, Sr. refers to the on-site representative as "my attorney," a reference which would fit Jr's later roles in government in New Castle more closely than it would John's in Philadelphia. The problem then becomes, if Jr. was that "attorney" how did he leave Philadelphia in time to return to England, and subsequently return with his parents on the Concord in 1683? The answer to that would nearly have to be that James left early after ice out in 1683, and that his brother John did indeed fill in for him with cursory visits which subsequently were interpreted as him being the sole family representative It may well be that "family legend" is not correct. On the other hand, I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet which would suggest that it cannot be. In either case, from the Pennsylvania Archives, we know that James Jr. WAS in Pennsylvania by 1688, when, a year after his father's death he was appointed as the Clerk of Court in Philadelphia with this commendation recorded in the Archives minutes: Series 1, Volume 1, page 251 as found at http://www.footnote.com/image/23848182/#23848182 Friday, 9th day of 1 month, 1688 (actually 9 March 1688) "The Goverr acquainted ye board that David Lloyd, then County Clark [sic] of Philadelphia, haveing not made and submission or acknowledgement of his offence, and was ordered, there was a necessity some other person should be Commissioned, the County Court being to sitt in a ffew dayes, and it was not fitt to Suffer such Contempts of Authority as began too ffrequentt, through ye Continuance of a Councill without doors, &c., and that therefore he Should grant a Commission to Some other ffitt person, and desired that ye members at ye booard would advise him who was ye ffittest person to Succeed him therein. James Claypoole was named by ye Secretary, seconded by Griff. Jones, Robt Turner and Wm. Darvall, and it was said he had been some time a Clark of ye Assembly: the Goverr moved ffor ..." [moving on to further business] That this would not have been Norton's son James is evident that he had not yet reached the age of majority, regardless of whether a 1673 or 1677 birthdate is accorded to him. James Jr, having been born in 1664, and acknowledged by his father as a capable young man as early as 1681, would have qualified. This citation also confirms that James Jr. had been there long enough to gain the confidence of his father's contemporaries. This is very likely to be the interpretation of more than one late 19th history historian who expressed that caution was needed to keep father (Sr.) and son (Jr.) identified correctly in early Philadelphia records. You're probably correct in pointing out that I had confused John and James Jr. as Sheriff of early Philadelphia. I'm not coming up with the reference I thought I had on hand, but am not absolutely ruling out that I may still have it and am simply not able to lay my hands on it at the moment. Take care, and Happy New Year! Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole, Cromwell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In my posting of October 6, 2008 I wrote: "My initial interest in the Claypoole family came from discovering that it was my 4th grandmother Eliza's maiden name and that her Claypooles were 'related' to Oliver Cromwell. The latter connection was a oral tradition in 'my' line of the Claypoole/Binning/Chapman family, handed down from generation to generation. A cousin that I met for the first time less than 10 years ago, whose line had lost contact with my line in the 1870s, also had that same oral tradition! Rebecca Irwin Graff's work noted the Philadelphia Claypooles had a similar tradition - Benjamin Franklin recorded that 'connection' when he commented on the circumstances of Philadelphia alderman George Claypoole's (1675-1730/1) death." In my posting of October 10, I wrote: "....but according to Graff, the common belief of USA Claypoole descendants of James 'the migrant', prior to Graff's 1893 work being published, was that they were direct descendants of Oliver Cromwell." That this incorrect belief of direct descent from Oliver Cromwell was widely held in 18thC and 19thC Philadelphia is confirmed by the following 'discourse' dated 6th June 1821, which was printed by Abraham Small of Philadelphia later in June 1821. A DISCOURSE ON THE EARLY HISTORY OF PENNSYLVANIA; BEING AN ANNUAL ORATION DELIVERED BEFORE THE AMERICAN PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, HELD AT PHILADELPHIA, FOR PROMOTING USEFUL KNOWLEDGE; PURSUANT TO THEIR APPOINTMENT, IN THE HALL OF THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, ON WEDNESDAY, THE 6th OF JUNE, 1821. BY PETER S. DU PONCEAU, LL.D. ONE OF THE VICE PRESIDENTS OF THE SOCIETY. "Claypoole, whose ancestor, not many years before, ruled the destinies of the British empire;* *The Claypoole family are lineally descended from the protector Oliver Cromwell" Taken from page 23 of the discourse at http://www.archive.org/stream/discourseonearly00dupo/discourseonearly00dupo_djvu.txt Barry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: conkjm3 Surnames: Claypoole, Claypole, Claypool, Garwood Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/128.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I hope you are monitoring this board. I am wondering whether the ancestry of James Claypoole of Armstrong County can be found with his wife Lucretia Garwood. There is a Burlington County NJ historical society that I can visit. I was able to find a pedigree for Lucretia on the surname list of the Burlington County genweb site. Considering travel in the late 1700s, I am wondering what brought them together-- Evesham Township is about 10 miles east of Philly- to be married at Christ Church. My email is [email protected] Would be happy to correspond. Kathy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole. Claypool Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/128.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have just been in Kittanning and read most of the monographs by Evelyn Bracken. I am descended thru George and Margaret Jane Claypool Stuart. Found your article interesting. Would be glad to work on this. I am very close to Phila. and the Archives there. Added by conkjm3 (Ancestry) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sarahsea44 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/133.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barry I have tried to email the address that was on the website, please let me know that you received it. Alternatively you can reach me at [email protected] Kind regards Sarah Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "the common belief of USA Claypoole descendants of James 'the migrant', prior to Graff's 1893 work being published; was that they were direct descendants of Oliver Cromwell. " While this may be the case in some "family legends," it's never been the case in what I've been hearing in my lifetime. If this is what Bracken is holding to, I don't see it that way and frankly, haven't seen anyone else claim it in print. That's not saying that it isn't in print, only that I've yet to find it thusly. Now I have another question: Let's say that you have my Claypoole line figured differently than what seems to be the line of progression followed by different researchers even than Bracken (much earlier than her)(ie, James I, James II, James III, Jesse, Jonathan, John, George, Birt, my mom, me). If that isn't the line, what is? I'm hardly suggesting that you cannot be correct in any of your points. We're both suggesting that we're not seeing the story the same way. I'm not even asking you to "prove" your position. Frankly, I'm not ready to counter any of your arguments, and have made that clear from my earliest posts in dealing with my Claypoole family line. So, if you're going to tell me that the story I've heard most of my life isn't a good one, tell me where it goes wrong. Don't keep bashing the people who've told it to me (which you're not doing directly, but because you have no idea how I came to "learn" what I "know," in effect that is exactly what you're doing). As for your questions about my sources, let me do some checking. Maybe I mis-read something, but I don't think so at this point. Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/133.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sarah, If you'd like to email me direct via max at claypoolefamily.com - see www.claypoolefamily.com - I'll send you what I have on Benjamin, youngest son of Sir John and Lady Claypoole of Northborough. Barry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sarahsea44 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/133.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barry As an afterthought, I suppose I could try to trace Benjamin of the Northborough Claypooles and try to find out what happened to him, whom he married, where he lived etc. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated, I am in England in the Midlands so local(ish) to the area. Any ideas where to begin looking for him? Kind regards Sarah Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sarahsea44 Surnames: Claypoole Cronkshaw Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/133.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barry Many thanks for your prompt reply, I also suspect the same line but have been unable to prove it as yet. My Benjamin married a Deborah Cronkshaw who's father was Nathan Cronkshaw a 'gentleman'. Nathan's father was the Rev Nathan Cronkshaw who studied at Oxford University and was (according to his inventory) a very wealthy man for the time period. Nathan snr was in his early career Head schoolmaster at Kimbolton School (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimbolton_School )a very prestigious place, I feel that Benjamin would also have been connected with the same school. In view of Benjamin Claypooles connections I do not think that he came from farming stock and would love to prove that he was the child of a less obvious member of the renowned Claypoole line. Because of the Civil War it has been difficult finding any relevant information so proving it is another huge task! Kind regards Sarah Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1) Re John Claypoole's marriage to Elizabeth Cromwell - yes, it would have been documented in England, but according to Graff, the common belief of USA Claypoole descendants of James 'the migrant', prior to Graff's 1893 work being published, was that they were direct descendants of Oliver Cromwell. My point was that descendants of James Claypoole of Jamaica held a similar mistaken belief. 2) It was James the migrant's eldest son John Claypoole who arrived in America before his father, mother and siblings. James Jr. remained in London, working in his father's business till the rest of the family left England on the 'Concord'. Ref: Balderston, Marion, Editor.(1967)'James Claypoole's Letter Book, London and Philadelphia, 1681-1684' (NOTE: the first member of the Claypoole family of Northborough to arrive in America was James the migrant's brother, Norton. He sailed from London on the 'Bachelor's Delight', on 22 February 1678, to New York via Barbados, West Indies, where he stayed with his brother Edward for over 2 years. On 27 Feb 1681, he was granted 500 acres near New Deal, later called Lewestown, then Lewes, in Sussex Co., Delaware. He died there in 1688.) 3) Oliver Cromwell's daughter Elizabeth and husband John Claypoole had four children, namely Henry, Cromwell, Martha and Oliver. My researches haven't found a grandson of Oliver Cromwell named either James Claypoole or James Cromwell - is he a scion of one of Cromwell's other daughters? Ref: Fraser, Antonia (1973)'Cromwell Our Chief of Men' 4) I cannot find any reference to a James Claypoole in Jamaica prior to 1770, when James Claypoole, portrait painter married Helen(a) Frazier. Do you have a primary or reputable secondary source for your claim? Some 1200 miles SE of Jamaica, as the crow flies, Edward Claypoole, brother of James the migrant, married Abigail, the widow of Edward's friend Timothy Mascall, who died in Barbados, West Indies during March 1674. Edward Claypoole himself died in Barbados c1691/2. 5)Having searched the Pennsylvania Archives via www.footnote.com, the only Claypoole I have found who was Sheriff of Philadelphia, in addition to James'(1720/21-1784)term of 1777-1780, was John Claypoole, eldest son of James the migrant, who served two terms, namely 1687-1689 and 1693-1698. Incidentally, I claim my direct line from James 'the migrant too; via Joseph, James 'the Sheriff' and James 'the portrait painter'. Barry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barrychapman59 Surnames: Claypoole Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/133.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sarah, I suggest your Claypoole line may well be linked to the Claypoole family of Northborough, a village located just south of Market Deeping, on or close to the Roman road of Ermine Street that connected the cities of London, Lincoln & York. Sir John Claypoole (1595-1660) and his wife Marie (or Mary)of Northborough Manor are said to have eight sons. The eldest son, John, married Elizabeth, daughter of Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell. Their youngest, Benjamin, was born c1642 and may well be the grandfather of your Benjamin! I visited the parish churches of Tinwell & Tickencote (both in Rutland)just four weeks ago, following up on Claypoole linked research - Elizabeth Wingfield Allington, nee Cecil, the maternal grandmother of Sir John Claypoole (1595-1660), is buried at Tinwell. Barry Tasmania, OZ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sarahsea44 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/133/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I have an ancestor Benjamin Claypoole born to John & Ann at Belton in Rutland on 29 JUL 1712, Benjamin was a schoolmaster, I haven't got any more information on him but would appreciate any. Thanks Sarah England Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JosephAHittle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Okay, now I'm lost. What, exactly, am I missing? a) I've already acknowledged that Barry has done some good work. b) I've already acknowledged his claim that Bracken may not have gotten his line in order. c) I've already acknowledged that his line is apparently not in direct succession to mine until at least John and Mary (Angell) Claypoole. If this is an attempt to drag me into a "dis Bracken" agenda, I'm sorry, that issue really isn't all that important to me. So again, what is all that important that I would get "called out" on any of the issues I've addressed here? Help? Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GClaypool Surnames: Claypool, Stanton, Keyes, Huntington, Annes, Heth Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.claypoole/66.2.1.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joe, I been reading the discussions here lately and have downloaded, read and am deliberating Barry Chapman's research he has done. There are very compelling facts and theory's. We all know that genealogy research, no matter who's research much be checked and double checked before accepting it as gospel. Primary citations are a must if you can get them. Have you downloaded Barry's work and looked at it? If not please do so and see how if dovetails into or away from what Mrs. Bracken published. Good luck and happy researching. Greg Claypool Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.