That may be him!!!!!!!!! He gave his birthdate differently on every form he ever filled out and he used 1814 quite a bit. I'd love to hear more from you. I have looked for this man's family for almost 30 yrs.!!!!!!! He was my great-greatgrandfather. Debbie Mangen Anthony, KS dmangen@cyberlodge.com "My mind is like lightning. One brilliant flash, and its gone."