Forwarding for Ruth, please respond to the list or her personally, thanks. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Dann <ruthdann@telusplanet.net> Sent: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58 Hi to Nancy and Judy. I'm on the Clark -L too, and read Nancy's letter to Judy. I hope you don't mind if I stick my two-cents worth in here. I am descended from a William Clark who was the son of Robert Clark in the Christopher and Micajah Clark line. Is the Wm you're talking about from this line? My Wm. birthdate was 1778, but that could be wrong. Let me hear from someone if there's a connection, OK? Ruth Dann ruthdann@telusplanet.net ---- Msg sent via CWNet - http://www.cwnet.com/

Judy, Do you have connection to William Clark (1769-1855 Va.), son of Robert Clark? Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Blackman" <genealogymom64@yahoo.com> To: <CLARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: [Clarke-Clark] Parents of Joseph Clark >I am looking for the parents of Joseph Clark (about > 1597-January 6, 1684). I have found conflicting > information and was wondering if anyone knew what was > correct. Joseph is my 10th great grandfather. I am > willing to share any information that I may have also. > > Judy Blackman > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > ==== CLARKE Mailing List ==== > Resources at RootsWeb - is your Clark-Clarke webpage linked here? > http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/c/l/CLARKE/ > http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/c/l/CLARK/ > >

Looking for information on the following children and their families. Please e-mail me directly. Thank you Name: Joseph CLARKE Sex: M Birth: 20 Oct 1694 Father: Carew CLARKE b: 1670 in Newport, Newport, Rhode Island Mother: Anne DYER b: 1672-1674 in Newport, Newport, Rhode Island Marriage 1 Elizabeth NICHOLS b: 16 Mar 1695 Married: 6 Nov 1718 in E. Greenwich, Kent, Rhode Island Children Mary CLARKE b: 16 Aug 1719 in E. Greenwich, Kent, Rhode Island Benjamin CLARKE b: 3 Sep 1721 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island Elizabeth CLARKE b: 28 May 1724 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island Ann CLARKE b: 13 Jun 1727 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island Ruth CLARKE b: 2 Aug 1730 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island Mercy CLARKE b: 24 Aug 1733 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island Lydia CLARKE b: 16 Jul 1735 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island Hannah CLARKE b: 5 Sep 1737 in Warwick, Kent, Rhode

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I am looking for the parents of Joseph Clark (about 1597-January 6, 1684). I have found conflicting information and was wondering if anyone knew what was correct. Joseph is my 10th great grandfather. I am willing to share any information that I may have also. Judy Blackman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

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In my area, the cartographers and clerks have messed up the spelling. Around 1890 +/- the map for Clark County, Washington had written it as "Clarke" County. This persisted for a number of years until we happened to find an earlier map without the final "E". The person in control of the pen happens to have all the control! Arlen Clark retros0000@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Jim Clark [mailto:jdclark@cedar-rapids.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:36 PM To: CLARKE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clarke-Clark] E in Clark(E) Hi, I've be reading the discussion about the Clark/Clarke. I sometimes think the "e" was a flourish made by some clerk. I've found records for the same person written both ways. What part of WV were your Clarks? Mine were in the Pendleton/Hardy County area about 1780s. Went to Ross/Jackson County, OH about 1800, then Iowa 1840s. Jim Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenKayeC@aol.com> To: <CLARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Clarke-Clark] E in Clark(E) > In a message dated 10/26/2004 6:32:54 PM Central Standard Time, > tasarb@bigpond.net.au writes: > > > Hi Karen, That puzzled me to for some time, I thinks its to cover where > > some > > clark/e's for their own reasons(maybe educational) wrote it as it sounded > > By the way where is your Clark? > > Kind regards > > Tas > > > > They started in Ireland, arrived in WV (then VA) in the 1700s, maybe the > 1790s. Went to Coshocton Co., OH, in early 1800s. Some lines stayed there. Some > went to Indiana about 1840. Some of those went to other parts of Indiana and > some to Iowa. Some of the other parts of Indiana family went to Kansas and > some of them back to Indiana or Colorado. Some of the Iowa folks went to > Washington state and some of them came back to Iowa. > > There seems to have been a good deal of contact among the various groups for > a while since an Iowa ancestor kept a family tree (largely undocumented!) > which has been pretty accurate as we current generations attempt to document them > and uncover new branches and twigs! > > Where is your clan? Any of those places mine were in? > > Karen > Austin, TX > > > ==== CLARKE Mailing List ==== > List search > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CLARKE > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CLARK > > ==== CLARKE Mailing List ==== List search http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CLARKE http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CLARK

Hi I wonder if this family belongs to you? In 1915 at Cheltenham Dorothy GILLER married Frank CLARK. Did they have any family? Helen in New Zealand

In a message dated 10/27/2004 8:53:15 AM Central Standard Time, retros0000@comcast.net writes: > My ancestors must have been chasing your ancestors. My gggf was b. 1829 > in Fountain Co., IN, m. there in 1847 to a woman b. in Miami Co. OH in > 1830. They then went to Mahaska CO., IA by 1850. They were back in > Henderson Co. IL by 1859. > > The "Clan" then worked their way west. My GF was born in Nodaway Co. MO > in 1881, on to Clay Co. IL, Texas Co., OK, Guymon Co. OK, off for a > while in Pueblo, CO and finally in Douglas Co. OR. > > Yours might have been chasing mine out of the state by then. > > Or - We might not be of the same group after all. My DNA test, for the > Clarks, doesn't match to the rest of the Clarks in the group, but a > 12/12 match for a Jenkins. Who knows what secrets are hidden. Now if you > have a Solomon Clark b. 1829 in Fountain Co. to a Huldah Templeton b. > Miami Co., OH in 1830, we might be somewhere. > > Later > > Arlen Clark > retros0000@comcast.net > Dear Arlen, Thanks for the world cruise! I don't recognize the places you name as ones where I've found descendants of my ancestors. I WISH I had someone to participate in the DNA study. Unfortunately, our Clarke line "daughtered out" with my mother. Deep sigh. My granddad, Courtland Earl Clarke (b. 1899), died in 1878 before we were all collecting DNA. His father, Albert Jerry Clarke (b. 1872) also had three daughters, Rhetta Laura (b. 1894), Dorothy May (b. 1912), and Wanda Virginia (b. 1918). Rhetta and Wanda had children, but the boys would not qualify for the DNA study. There were other children, but they did not survive infancy. Maybe there are some male descendants in my known family, but I've not found them yet. Just in case anyone might recognize them and know about some living descendants they might refer me to. . . . Below is a brief outline of the family from my ggg-grandfather forward! A. Adam Clarke (b. 1807-12) had five sons (including Cyrus) and one daughter: Philander C. Clarke/Clark (b. 1831-34) who had two girls and two boys: Minnie C., b. 1862-63. Frank G., b. Oct. 1869. Jessie M, b. 1878-79. William S., b. May 1881. I've not found descendants of any of them. (YET!) Archibald A. Clarke/Clark (b. 1843-44) who had one girl and three boys: Clara Anna (b. 1870) Charles A. (b. 1872-73) George B. (b. 1879-80) Elmer S. (b. 1883-84) I haven't found any of his descentdants yet, either! Cyrus Higgins Clarke (b. 1845) Albert Jerry Clarke (b. 1872) had one son and three daughters (see above!) Louisa Aldine Clarke (b. 1884) married but had no children of her own. Emma (b. 1886) (died in infancy) Cornelia F. Clarke (b. 1851-52). Did not marry or have children. John Spencer Clarke (b. 1852) had three daughters: Cornelia A. (b. 1887-88) Wealthy O. (b. 1889-90) Georgie Marie (b. 1897-98) George P. Clarke (b. 1852-53) who probably did not marry or have children. Ever hopeful! Karen

Hi Karen, That puzzled me to for some time, I thinks its to cover where some clark/e's for their own reasons(maybe educational) wrote it as it sounded By the way where is your Clark? Kind regards Tas ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenKayeC@aol.com> To: <CLARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [Clarke-Clark] E in Clark(E) > In a message dated 10/26/2004 10:59:56 AM Central Standard Time, > starf@ssisp.com writes: > > > I am new to the list and sure you have already had this discussion but > > can't find it in the archives. > > Does anyone know about a discussion, about the E on the end of the name > > CLARK in the year 1865? > > I appreciate your help. > > Star > > I don't know if there has been a discussion of this issue or not. However, I > do know that my family was notably inconsistent about the use of the final > 'e.' When the family came in from Ireland in the 1700s, they used the final > 'e.' After a few decades, though, most had ceased using it -- except for my > line. The older generations' tombstones have the 'e' on some and not on others. > > In fact, spelling of names was apparently not as much of an identity issue > then as it is now. I have heard folks argue that this is because people were > uneducated and could not read or write. In my family, however, everyone, with > very few exceptions, could read and write. But they varied the spellings of > their name anyway. Other folks have argued that a lot of the records we look > at for our families were created by others (e.g., doctors sending birth > certificate data, clerks completing death certificates, census takers completing > census forms). This is certainly a valid point. Often, people's names were being > spelled by other people fulfilling a service for the family member or the > government or the church, etc. On the other hand, finding examples of signatures > of a single person that varied according to perhaps mood at the time is not > unheard of. I have Adam Clarke's signature on a marriage certificate and Adam > Clark's signature on an earlier marriage certificate -- same person, different > mood? location? who know! And, just to keep things interesting, his > signature on probate documents after his father's death could maybe have an 'e' on it > or not!! Handwriting was not clear enough to actually enable us to make an > absolute claim one way or the other! > > In addition to people's names being spelled variously by other folks creating > records about them and people's own lack of consistency for spelling their > own names, another phenomena was not uncommon in communities. Sometimes, if > there were two families in the same community who were not related to each other, > one of the families would change the spelling of its family name in order to > make it clear from which family a person hailed! So the family might have > been Clarke in West Virginia and Clark in Ohio because there was already a Clarke > family in Ohio when they arrived. > > You might also find another naming pattern interesting as you begin your > search for your family members. The designations of Junior and Senior were not > always used the way they are today. It is possible that two unrelated people > from the same community with the same acquired designations of Senior and > Junior! In order to clarify which person was which, the older person would become > senior and the younger one junior. (That's a kick in the pants for a > genealogist!) > > Furthermore, within families designations of junior or senior could be > attached to people who were not father and son (or mother and daughter). I have a > McCullough family grouping where this occurred.. Jethro J. McCullough had a > son he named Jethro Tull McCullough (the Tull being his mother's maiden name). > Jethro J.'s brother Oliver McCullough named his son exactly after Jethro J. > Ergo, the nephew was always referred to as Jethro J. McCullough, Jr., and the > uncle as Jethro J. McCullough, Sr. (There are still family researchers who > have refused to accept evidence to the contrary and insist on putting Jethro J. > McCullough, Jr., on the family tree as the son of Jethro J. McCullough, Sr., > because they cannot accept that traditions then differed from traditions now.) > > Just to make your day, at one point in the mid to late 1800s Clark/Clarke was > the 7th most common name in the U.S. There are a lot of us who are > definitely NOT related to each other living in the same communities!! > > Good luck with your research! > Karen > > > ==== CLARKE Mailing List ==== > Resources at RootsWeb - is your Clark-Clarke webpage linked here? > http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/c/l/CLARKE/ > http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/c/l/CLARK/ > >

In a message dated 10/26/2004 6:32:54 PM Central Standard Time, tasarb@bigpond.net.au writes: > Hi Karen, That puzzled me to for some time, I thinks its to cover where > some > clark/e's for their own reasons(maybe educational) wrote it as it sounded > By the way where is your Clark? > Kind regards > Tas > They started in Ireland, arrived in WV (then VA) in the 1700s, maybe the 1790s. Went to Coshocton Co., OH, in early 1800s. Some lines stayed there. Some went to Indiana about 1840. Some of those went to other parts of Indiana and some to Iowa. Some of the other parts of Indiana family went to Kansas and some of them back to Indiana or Colorado. Some of the Iowa folks went to Washington state and some of them came back to Iowa. There seems to have been a good deal of contact among the various groups for a while since an Iowa ancestor kept a family tree (largely undocumented!) which has been pretty accurate as we current generations attempt to document them and uncover new branches and twigs! Where is your clan? Any of those places mine were in? Karen Austin, TX

Hi, I've be reading the discussion about the Clark/Clarke. I sometimes think the "e" was a flourish made by some clerk. I've found records for the same person written both ways. What part of WV were your Clarks? Mine were in the Pendleton/Hardy County area about 1780s. Went to Ross/Jackson County, OH about 1800, then Iowa 1840s. Jim Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenKayeC@aol.com> To: <CLARKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Clarke-Clark] E in Clark(E) > In a message dated 10/26/2004 6:32:54 PM Central Standard Time, > tasarb@bigpond.net.au writes: > > > Hi Karen, That puzzled me to for some time, I thinks its to cover where > > some > > clark/e's for their own reasons(maybe educational) wrote it as it sounded > > By the way where is your Clark? > > Kind regards > > Tas > > > > They started in Ireland, arrived in WV (then VA) in the 1700s, maybe the > 1790s. Went to Coshocton Co., OH, in early 1800s. Some lines stayed there. Some > went to Indiana about 1840. Some of those went to other parts of Indiana and > some to Iowa. Some of the other parts of Indiana family went to Kansas and > some of them back to Indiana or Colorado. Some of the Iowa folks went to > Washington state and some of them came back to Iowa. > > There seems to have been a good deal of contact among the various groups for > a while since an Iowa ancestor kept a family tree (largely undocumented!) > which has been pretty accurate as we current generations attempt to document them > and uncover new branches and twigs! > > Where is your clan? Any of those places mine were in? > > Karen > Austin, TX > > > ==== CLARKE Mailing List ==== > List search > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CLARKE > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CLARK > >

In a message dated 10/26/2004 10:59:56 AM Central Standard Time, starf@ssisp.com writes: > I am new to the list and sure you have already had this discussion but > can't find it in the archives. > Does anyone know about a discussion, about the E on the end of the name > CLARK in the year 1865? > I appreciate your help. > Star I don't know if there has been a discussion of this issue or not. However, I do know that my family was notably inconsistent about the use of the final 'e.' When the family came in from Ireland in the 1700s, they used the final 'e.' After a few decades, though, most had ceased using it -- except for my line. The older generations' tombstones have the 'e' on some and not on others. In fact, spelling of names was apparently not as much of an identity issue then as it is now. I have heard folks argue that this is because people were uneducated and could not read or write. In my family, however, everyone, with very few exceptions, could read and write. But they varied the spellings of their name anyway. Other folks have argued that a lot of the records we look at for our families were created by others (e.g., doctors sending birth certificate data, clerks completing death certificates, census takers completing census forms). This is certainly a valid point. Often, people's names were being spelled by other people fulfilling a service for the family member or the government or the church, etc. On the other hand, finding examples of signatures of a single person that varied according to perhaps mood at the time is not unheard of. I have Adam Clarke's signature on a marriage certificate and Adam Clark's signature on an earlier marriage certificate -- same person, different mood? location? who know! And, just to keep things interesting, his signature on probate documents after his father's death could maybe have an 'e' on it or not!! Handwriting was not clear enough to actually enable us to make an absolute claim one way or the other! In addition to people's names being spelled variously by other folks creating records about them and people's own lack of consistency for spelling their own names, another phenomena was not uncommon in communities. Sometimes, if there were two families in the same community who were not related to each other, one of the families would change the spelling of its family name in order to make it clear from which family a person hailed! So the family might have been Clarke in West Virginia and Clark in Ohio because there was already a Clarke family in Ohio when they arrived. You might also find another naming pattern interesting as you begin your search for your family members. The designations of Junior and Senior were not always used the way they are today. It is possible that two unrelated people from the same community with the same acquired designations of Senior and Junior! In order to clarify which person was which, the older person would become senior and the younger one junior. (That's a kick in the pants for a genealogist!) Furthermore, within families designations of junior or senior could be attached to people who were not father and son (or mother and daughter). I have a McCullough family grouping where this occurred.. Jethro J. McCullough had a son he named Jethro Tull McCullough (the Tull being his mother's maiden name). Jethro J.'s brother Oliver McCullough named his son exactly after Jethro J. Ergo, the nephew was always referred to as Jethro J. McCullough, Jr., and the uncle as Jethro J. McCullough, Sr. (There are still family researchers who have refused to accept evidence to the contrary and insist on putting Jethro J. McCullough, Jr., on the family tree as the son of Jethro J. McCullough, Sr., because they cannot accept that traditions then differed from traditions now.) Just to make your day, at one point in the mid to late 1800s Clark/Clarke was the 7th most common name in the U.S. There are a lot of us who are definitely NOT related to each other living in the same communities!! Good luck with your research! Karen

At 09:59 AM 10/26/04, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/26/2004 10:59:56 AM Central Standard Time, >starf@ssisp.com writes: > > > I am new to the list and sure you have already had this discussion but > > can't find it in the archives. > > Does anyone know about a discussion, about the E on the end of the name > > CLARK in the year 1865? > > I appreciate your help. > > Star > >I don't know if there has been a discussion of this issue or not. However, I >do know that my family was notably inconsistent about the use of the final >'e.' When the family came in from Ireland in the 1700s, they used the final >'e.' After a few decades, though, most had ceased using it -- except for my >line. The older generations' tombstones have the 'e' on some and not on >others. <snip> Just be glad you're dealing with Clark(e) and not Flanagan/Flannagan/Flanegin/Flenakin/about 2 dozen other ways family and functionaries have spelled the name over time :-). Lorena /|\ Searching for: F l a n a g a n (NY state), F l o r i o, C o c c i a, M a r t i n g a n o; F o l e y, F e r g u s o n, M o r g a n <http://users.ev1.net/~ljwolfe/fam-tree/>

I am new to the list and sure you have already had this discussion but can't find it in the archives. Does anyone know about a discussion, about the E on the end of the name CLARK in the year 1865? I appreciate your help. Star

Sue, Thank you for helping me to relay that information to the list. The person who sent it to me is very wise with such matters and includes her refs. Hopefully, it will be a help to others on this list, as it was to me. Much appreciated Chris From the email address of Chris and Tony Hamilton --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!

Would anyone know if there is any documented proof that the Samuel Clark who died in Portland (Saint John) ............' Samuel CLARK ®3. Born Circa 1780 ®63. Died 23 Oct 1818 ®63 in Saint John,NB®7. Religion Baptist.'............... was the son of William Clark & Ruth Peckham - the last RI census for them (1779) does not list a son named Samuel. Thanks for the info, Kate

Hi everyone, I'm new to this list & thought I'd say hello. I'm looking for the parents of David A Clark b abt 1798 d 1847 in New York state married Eunice Beach b 1810 in NY? d 1870 McLean County Illinois Children: Elias b 1830 in NY d ? Henry A b 3-3-1833 NY, d 4-26-1906 Tuscola County Michigan, m Elizabeth Lettelier Caroline b 1835 in NY, d ?, m? male child b bef 1840, d bef 1850 in NY Charles b 6-20-1843, never married? d Melissa E b 9-14-1843 in NY, M Robert Wells, d 4-6-1920 Tuscola Co MI David b 1847 in NY, d ? David & family were in Rockland Co, NY in 1840 and Eunice & the children were in Erie Co, NY in 1850 David having died in 1847. Thanks, Ann in Michigan

Most of the Clark's I'm researching are on my father's side, but I just noticed one on my mother's side, married to my 3rd.G.Grand-Aunt. Aaron W. CLARK (b.1808-, Hardy, Virginia;d.18 Nov 1869) Elizabeth "Betsy Ann" STEINBECK (b.1808) married 21 Jul 1825, , Hardy, Virginia Elizabeth is the daughter of: Frederick STEINBECK (b.Abt 1770/1775-Berlin, Prussia;d.21 Mar 1823-Romney, Hardy County,Virginia) Sarah "Sally" ECKHART(ECKERT) (b.1783-, Hampshire, Virginia;d.11 May 1853-Randolph or Hardy County, Virginia) married Abt 1798/1800 children: 1. William A. STEINBECK (b.1799/1800-Berlin, West Virginia?;d.4 Sep 1881) 2. Henry D. STEINBECK (b.4 Feb 1801-Petersburg, Hardy, Virginia;d.4 Sep 1881-Alum Bridge, West Virginia) 3. Elizabeth "Betsy Ann" STEINBECK (see above) 4. Daniel "Christian" STEINBECK (b.1812-Luneys Creek, Hardy, Virginia;d.25 Jun 1881-Troy, West Virginia) My line comes down through Henry and his wife, Julia Ann CAPITO. More on that line by request, since it's not a Clark(e) line :-) Lorena /|\ Searching for: F l a n a g a n (NY state), F l o r i o, C o c c i a, M a r t i n g a n o; F o l e y, F e r g u s o n, M o r g a n <http://users.ev1.net/~ljwolfe/fam-tree/>

Sandy: I am descended from David E. Clark (b. 1822) from the Johnson/Emmanuel County area (allied to Tarver, Cowart & Frost) and would be interested in joining any future gatherings of this group of Georgia Clarks. I will be out of town this weekend, otherwise I would love to participate in this one! My Clarks may or may not be connected with John 1768, but it is certainly possible. Is there a smaller email list for this group of researchers? If so, I would very much like to be a part of the list. Thanks very much Karen Clarke Atlanta, GA silverjz@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: sandy <slsamz@charter.net> Sent: Oct 19, 2004 3:58 PM To: CLARKE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clarke-Clark] GA Clark gathering Genealogy researchers who are descendants of several CLARK pioneer families will gather this coming Sat., Oct. 23rd in Laurens County, GA to meet each other face to face and compare notes. This gathering is the result of many of these folks meeting on Rootsweb while researching four CLARK siblings. John Clark b. 1768 settled in Laurens county, GA about 1810. His brother Eli was there a short time and moved on to Colquitt County, GA. Their brother Henry CLARK settled in Montgomery County, GA about 1810. Their sister Hester CLARK who m. Thomas Lindsey also lived in the Montgomery County area prior to moving her family to the Colquitt County area after Thomas was killed. We invite any descendants of these CLARK lines or their allied families to join us at the Cadwell Community Center in Cadwell, GA just south of Dublin, GA in Laurens County. Bring a picnic lunch to share. We will eat about noon but will be there most of the day. Questions off the list to slsamz@charter! .net Sandy ==== CLARKE Mailing List ==== Search, Subscribe & Unsubscribe http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/c/clarke.html http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/c/clark.html