I posted this before, but received no response. Let me try again. A friend of mine with no access to the internet is a McCORMICK. In different books on clans McCORMICK is variously listed as part of the BUCHANAN Clan or the MacLEAN of LOCH BUIE Clan. 1. How does she find out which of these clans her particular McCORMICK family is part of? 2. Does anyone know how to go about this? 3. Has anyone had a similar problem? Thanks for any help you can supply. I will pass it along to my friend. Cate Daniell New Mexico, USA CLANS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > CLANS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 9 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [CLANS-L] "This is Why We Honour S [Joebroom@aol.com] > #2 [CLANS-L] Re: CLANS Question [Pattyfraz@aol.com] > #3 [CLANS-L] Re: Clan McQueen ["Jane Macgillivray" <jane@providen] > #4 [CLANS-L] Re: Culloden [FortIII@aol.com] > #5 [CLANS-L] Carruthers, a Sept to th [gcarruth@netcom.ca] > #6 Re: [CLANS-L] Re: CLANS Question [Joebroom@aol.com] > #7 Re: [CLANS-L] Re: CLANS Question [Pattyfraz@aol.com] > #8 [CLANS-L] Gunn in Cass Co., GA and [RFDSAD@aol.com] > #9 [CLANS-L] MacCutcheon-MacDonald of [Mac McCutchan <yekcim@erols.com>] > #10 [CLANS-L] McCurry/MacCurry [Debbie Fowler <micajah@mindspring.] > #11 [CLANS-L] The Generation after Cul [MrMacF@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CLANS-D, send a message to > > CLANS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CLANS-L] "This is Why We Honour Scotland ..." > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:19:46 EST > From: Joebroom@aol.com > To: CLANS-L@rootsweb.com > > The following was posted to the Nova-Scotia List this morning. I thought > there would be many on this list who would appreciate reading this. > > ********************* > > Premier of Nova Scotia officiates at Opening of Gaelic College: > The English address delivered by the Hon. Angus L. Macdonald, at St. Ann's > C. B., July 26th, 1938 > > Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen: > 'I am here today to make a very small payment on a very great debt. The > debt is one that many of us ow, and that none of us can ever fully repay. > It is a debt to Scotland and to the sons and daughters of that land. > 'I have never ceased to marvel as I attend Scottish gatherings in this > country. Here we are in Nova Scotia, three thousand miles away from > Scotland. Only a few of us have ever seen it. Only a few of us can ever > hope to see that romantic country. Not many of us can hope with any > confidence to see the great border country immortalized by Scott, or the > regions where Burns lived and sand, or, going a little further north, the > bonnie banks of Loch Lomond. Most of us will have to see in picture and > imagination only the great Pass of Killiecrankie. Few of us can take the > Road to the Isles or visit the misty Isle of Skye and see the Coolins and > Culloden with all its tragic memories must remain only an image in our > hearts. Not many of us have seen that land. Most of us are separated from > Scotland by at least a century in time. We are the great grandchildren, > and perhaps in some cases we are even further removed than that, from the > Scottish pioneers, and yet over all those miles and across those years > Scotland calls and always her children answer. You are answering today, > and this memorial which you establish here to the memory of the pioneers > will speak, I hope, through the centuries, telling the world that Scotsmen > do not forget. > 'I believe that if a resident of another plant could look down on this > earthly scene and view the characteristics of the different races that > inhabit the earth, he would put down as most significant the Scotsman's > love of Scotland. Such a gazer from the stars would find that every race, > every man worth of the name, honours the fatherland, but he would find > Scottish affection deeper and stronger than most, or perhaps than anyother > in the world. > 'If he sought the reason for this warmth, where would he find it? He would > not find it entirely in the physical characteristics, in the geography of > Scotland, itself. It is true that it is a lovely land, a land of beauty > everywhere, beauty of mountain and gle, of loch and driver, of bank and > brae, of forest and sea. I always remember the words of Ramsay macDonald, > former Prime Minister of Great Britain, used in speaking of the Highlands > of Scotland. "We must guard the Highlands. They are not the place of great > wealth. They are not and never have been the place of softening material > comfort. But they bave been designed by the fingers and fashioned creation > to be the embodiment of the chastest and most imspiring beauty that the eye > of man can light upon in these islands." > 'Recognizing, however, all the natural beauty of Scotland, we must be > mindful, that other lands, too, have their natural charm. It cannot be, > thenentirely or even chiefly a matter of the physical appearance of the > country that creates in Scotsmen so deep an affection for the old land. > 'Nor would he find the cause in the mere history of the land and the > people. He is coming nearer to the real cause when he gets on historical > ground, for the history of a people represents their characters and is > influenced and shaped and formed largely by the people themselves. It is a > great history - that of Scotland, if one traces it from the earliest days > to the present time. Back to the days of Imperial Rome, it extends, and > thence down the centuries to the great days of Wallace and Bruce. It > records clan feuds and the struggles between Highlander and Lowlander and > betwen Scotsmen and Sassenach, the struggle for the re-establishment of the > Stuart line, with its unhappy ending at Culloden, the union of Crowns in > 1707, and the Scottish contribution to British achievement for two > centuries since. That is a great pagent, but by itself it does not expalin > the Scotsman's affection for Scotland. Our spectator will find the cause > of this affection in the characters of the people of Scotland, themselves. > He will find here a people who venerate religion and cherish education, who > have a deep sense of loyalty to family, clan, chief and King, a people of > proud and independent spirit, proud of their race and of their country. > These are the corner-stones of Scottish character and I believe that many a > Scotsman and many a decendant of Scotsmen, perhaps thousands of miles away > from the old land, has been helped and inspired by the recollection of > these qualities of his own people. I do not think it is too much to say > that many a Scotsman has been kept on the straight path by pride of > Scotland, and by a desire to maintain unsullied the reputation of Scotland. > 'That is why we honour Scotland. That is why we are under a debt to > Scotland. That is why we try to pay back that debt by erecting this > memorial and by endeavouring to preserve the language, traditions, the > music of our fathers. > 'These aims are altogether commendable, but yet let me be allowed to issue > a warning. Let us not live in the past alone. Let us not be content with > mere ancestor worship. Let us look to the past, of course. Let us recall > the glories of our race and our country, but let us do so with the right > purpose in mind. Let us recall those glories to that we in our day may > seek to imitate them, so that we in our day may show forth to the world > those virtues which I have already mentioned, which have distinguished the > Scotsman in every part of the earth. We live in a time when much of what > was old and cherished is being questioned and doubted, but it seems to me > that there are a few matters which should be beyond dispute. The value of > the great Scottish virtues, of hones pride, of self reliance, of > independence of spirit, of a deep religious sense, of love of education - > surely these are beyond all doubt. Particularly in these days is there a > need for the Scottish spirit of independence and self reliance. It is a > time when a great many people are seeking the easy way. They are seeking > the way which involves the lease effort for themselves and the most > supervision on the part of some outside authority, whether it be a private > organization or public society in the form of Government. The tendency of > many people is to lean on somebody else in these days. That has never been > the spirit of Scotland. If we lose that independence of mind and that self > reliance which ought to be ours we shall be easy victims ov every new > theory of Government that is advanced. We shall be an easy prey to the > dictator. We shall lose that democrcay which no people in the world have > defended and maintained more vigorously than the people of Scotland. > 'And so, this memorial be not merely a reminder of the heroic achievements > of our pioneer fathers and mothers let it not be merely a place where the > ancient language of Scotland is preserved and fostered. These are ends in > themselves altogether worthy, but more important still it will be to make > this place a centre from which the spirit of Scotland may radiate. > 'It now gives me great pleasure to declare this institution open for the > advancement of education in the Gaelic Language, and dedicated for the > preservation of the customs, literature, music and sons of the Scottish > race, and to the "Glory of God".'" > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CLANS-L] Re: CLANS Question > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:49:09 EST > From: Pattyfraz@aol.com > To: CLANS-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 2/3/1999 9:24:22 AM Central Standard Time, CLANS-D- > request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > Hi All, > > > > Being new to not only the CLANS list, but genealogy research, I hope > > that I am not going to make a fool of myself with this question? I have two > > lots of ancestors that came from Scotland, MITCHELL's and CALDOW's, are > > there clans of these names??, I've never heard of there being any. > > > > Regards, > > Joan. > > AUSTRALIA. > > > > I am in the same boat as Joan. I am fairly new to genealogy research in > general, but am just starting to research outside of the United States. I > have been in touch with a new "cousin" in Ottawa, Canada, who has shared his > many years of research of the FRAZER/FRASER family with me and my husband. I > have searched some of the clan sites (one being a FRASER clan website) and > still cannot make out from what information I have what clan would be ours, as > it looks to me like there is more than one FRAZER/FRASER clan. > > So far, Samuel FRAZER is as far back as the family has been researched. He > was born in 1751 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, but apparently moved to and lived > the rest of his life in County Armagh, Ireland. His descendants (he was > supposedly married four or five times and had at least 21 children) spread > throughout the world into Canada, England, Australia, and the United States > (that I know of) with both the spellings of FRASER and FRAZER. Of the last > five of his children, two used FRASER and three used FRAZER. My husband is > descended from the fourth from the last child, William FRAZER. William was > born ca. 1812 in County Armagh, Ireland - came to the Bytown (Ottawa), Canada, > area in the 1847-1849 timeframe. He was a boot and shoemaker. He married > first Mary ??? in Ireland and second Margaret FULTON in Canada. Margaret was > also from County Armagh, but the families did not know each other in Ireland. > William died May 12, 1889 and is buried in St. James Cemetery in Hull, Quebec > (cemetery records supposedly destroyed in a fire). > > Can anyone help me identify the FRAZER/FRASER clan for this family or if you > have any additional information about this family. Please let me know if > additional details will help. > > Thanks! > > Patty Frazer > Pattyfraz@aol.com > St. Louis, MO, USA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CLANS-L] Re: Clan McQueen > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:03 -0000 > From: "Jane Macgillivray" <jane@providence2000.freeserve.co.uk> > To: CLANS-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello Jerri, > I have an ancestor James McQueen, married to Isabel Mackeson (sic), with > known children James (died 1852), Anne (died 1854) and William (b 1789 died > 1858). James was born at what looks like Arrive, parish of Kincardine - this > is from family Bible not OPR, his birth does not figure. William married > Mary Buchanan born 1799. I know that William, a teacher and Greek scholar, > was living in manor house near Glasgow - there are also names Robert and > Archibald and Helen in family. I don't know which Kincardine it was, but > notice there > is Kincardine parish near Perth. > Best regards, Jane > -----Original Message----- > From: The Otto's <tjotto@voyager.net> > To: CLANS-L@rootsweb.com <CLANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 03 February 1999 13:31 > Subject: [CLANS-L] Clan McQueen > > >Just found out about this site. Looking for Clan McQueen from Doune, > >Perthshire, Scotland and Kilmadock Parish. Archibald McQueen married Janet > >Drummond in Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland in 1765. Four known children:John > >10/23/1768; Elen 11/30/1771; > >Archibald 12/10/1775; and James (my g.g.g.grandfather)3/4/1779. > >Any fellow clansmen out there? > > > >Jerri Otto > >tjotto@voyager.net > > > >______________________________ > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CLANS-L] Re: Culloden > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:19:02 EST > From: FortIII@aol.com > To: CLANS-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello Joe and list, > > Hear are some neat URLs about the history of the Battle of Culloden. > <A HREF="http://www.highlanderweb.co.uk/culloden/home.htm">Culloden </A> > <A HREF="http://www.queenofscots.co.uk/culloden/cull.html">CULLODEN MOOR AND > THE STORY OF THE BATTLE</A> > <A HREF="http://www.virtual-pc.com/journal/lineage.htm">Scottish Military > Historical Society - Lineage</A> > > Happy browsing, > Ann > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CLANS-L] Carruthers, a Sept to the Bruce Clan > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:44:03 -0500 (EST) > From: gcarruth@netcom.ca > To: CLANS-L@rootsweb.com > > I am researching the Carruthers surname, specifically those that migrated from Scotland to Canada. The object of my search is > my GGGrandfather William Carruthers 1815-1887 who migrated to Canada in the 1840's. He married Jane (Jean) Steven from the > Huntingdon Quebec area and they settled in the Morewood/Winchester Ontario area in the mid 1840's. His tree is tied to the > following surnames: > > Shearer, Watt, Nimmo, McGaan, Steven, Casselman, Fetterly, McGibbon, Kinnaird, Brimacombe