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Hello David, Thank you for your reply. I may not have explained myself so well. Cadets of Chiefs are called Chieftains, cadets of Chieftains [Ceann Tighe] are called? in Gaelic?....... My only thought is *Duine Uasal* but I think that a head of a Cadet had another name. Thank you in advance. Grant On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Clan Scott Information < info@clanscottsociety.org> wrote: > Grant, > > The "Head of the House" - as you describe him - would be called the > Chief. Those who were the head of a branch of the clan would be > called Chieftain. > > David Scott > Clan Scott Society > > At 06:29 AM 12/26/2011, you wrote: > >Hello to Everyone on the list! > > > >I have a question? > > > >Chieftains were known in Gaelic as Ceann-tighe, 'Head of the House'. > > > >But within the major branches of a Clan, each branch would also have its > >own Cadets as sub-branches. > > > >What is the name given to the head of a Cadet within a branch Clan? > > > >All the best! > > > >Grant MacLea South > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello to Everyone on the list! I have a question? Chieftains were known in Gaelic as Ceann-tighe, 'Head of the House'. But within the major branches of a Clan, each branch would also have its own Cadets as sub-branches. What is the name given to the head of a Cadet within a branch Clan? All the best! Grant MacLea South

Grant, The "Head of the House" - as you describe him - would be called the Chief. Those who were the head of a branch of the clan would be called Chieftain. David Scott Clan Scott Society At 06:29 AM 12/26/2011, you wrote: >Hello to Everyone on the list! > >I have a question? > >Chieftains were known in Gaelic as Ceann-tighe, 'Head of the House'. > >But within the major branches of a Clan, each branch would also have its >own Cadets as sub-branches. > >What is the name given to the head of a Cadet within a branch Clan? > >All the best! > >Grant MacLea South > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lauren, Thank you again for this wealth of information. I went out snooping the web on the surname changes. I came across a posting on Ancestry that I would like to pass by you before I start digging at this person site or should just walk away. They are showing James V Stewart b.1512 having m. Margaret Erskine. From this union comes Baron James Renfrew , there is no birth or death information only that it was in Renfrew , Renfrewshire ,Scotland. The good Baron had a son Symon who was born in 1613 again in Renfrewshire but passing in Virginia in 1690. You mentioned the surname Rentfrew as the Tartan Paisley District. In your opinion would my next search been in the Paisley District for both clan information as well as possible history? When a name is not located in the Clan books is it because they may not be of Scottish origin? Just thinking ahead of other lines I have yet to locate a Clan for. Thank you kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd McLachlan " < listsmonster @ gmail .com> To: clans@ rootsweb .com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:44:00 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CLANS] line of Clan that goes no where Hello Kim: There is no Renfroe clan. Perhaps they used the term loosely? The surname Renfrew has the Tartan "Paisley District" listed for it in Dr. Phil Smith's "Tartans for Me!." This suggests there is no clan affiliation to that name. Renfroe and Renfro are not listed. The names Renfrew , Renfroe and Renfro are not listed in the book "Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia," nor are they listed in "Scots Kith and Kin." Black's "Surnames of Scotland" lists Renfrew on page 688: RENFREW . Of local origin from the town of the same name in Renfrewshire . Adam de Reynfru of the county of Edeneburk rendered homage in 1296 ( Bain ,II, p.201), and Robert Reynfreu or Ryenfru , a Scots prsioner of war from Stirling was incarcerated in the Castle of Old Sarum between 1304-07 ( Bain , II, 1644,1688 1944). Galfridus renfrew appears in Aberdeen, 1408 ( CWA ., p.315). Bartholomew Renfrew appears as a charter witness in Glasgow in 1481 (LCD., p 194). Robert Renfrew in Abbey parish, Paisley, 1772 ( Kilbarchan ). Andrew Renfrew in Eaglesham died in 1939. Renfroe and Renfro are not listed in the book, nor were they provided as alternate spellings for Renfrew --- however, that was the name that came to mind to me when I first read your post, so it is not too much of a stretch. Things may have changed when they jumped the pond.... spelling does not count in genealogy and was only formalized in the last 150 or so years. When I served as Genealogist and Chair of the Genealogical Committee for Clan Stewart Society in America (over 10 yrs), I heard many, many family legends. Yours is not among what I recall. There were 6 King James of Scotland. Which one ties to your legend? In a copy of a rare Stewart book that I have, I do see that King James II is listed not only with issue from his wife, Marie, daughter of Arnold, Duke of Gueldres , but also " The king has a also a natural son, James Stewart of Sitcks and Ballechin , ancestor of the Stewarts of Ballchin ." It is likely that you may have some tie to the Stewart clan, but perhaps not of the name Renfroe . You will have to track your collateral lines and see what comes to light. With roots in Virginia and the Carolinas , it is most likely you will find SOME clan in your heritage. Yours Aye, Lauren Boyd McLachlan , FSA Scot Clans List Admin On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, < kmillerus @comcast.net> wrote: > Hello everyone, > Thank you for your time as I try to figure this family line/clan of mine. Going on those lovely family stories which also seem to be untrue and chasing shadows in the dark. I thought for the longest time that I had located my family clan sad to say it was at our locate Highland games where I was shown the "proof" of our clan. Hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction of this journey that I my locate the correct clan and make contact with them for more information in the way of history of our lines. > Sorry for going on so much...here is my family puzzle. I come from the line of RENFROE , I have 10 generation of Renfroe . Starting in Scotland? and crossing over to Virginia to North Carolina and into Alabama and my grandmother ending in Oklahoma . > The starting point being of Symon and I apologize now for my stupidity as this I have followed the dreaded family stories. Been told at first he was of the Renfroe clan of Renfrewshire and then told of he was of the Stewart clan being one of King James offspring. I'm very interested in the history of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover the truth of where our clan might come from. > The spelling seems to have come from RENFREW , to RENFROE to even RENFRO . > I thank the page so much for letting me post here and I try to uncover yet another family riddle. > > thank you > kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@ rootsweb .com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lauren Boyd McLachlan Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@ rootsweb .com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much for this wealth of information. I have just begun my search of the surname in Scotland and your information will give me a place to start. Thank you again for this kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd McLachlan" <listsmonster@gmail.com> To: clans@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:44:00 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CLANS] line of Clan that goes no where Hello Kim: There is no Renfroe clan. Perhaps they used the term loosely? The surname Renfrew has the Tartan "Paisley District" listed for it in Dr. Phil Smith's "Tartans for Me!." This suggests there is no clan affiliation to that name. Renfroe and Renfro are not listed. The names Renfrew, Renfroe and Renfro are not listed in the book "Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia," nor are they listed in "Scots Kith and Kin." Black's "Surnames of Scotland" lists Renfrew on page 688: RENFREW. Of local origin from the town of the same name in Renfrewshire. Adam de Reynfru of the county of Edeneburk rendered homage in 1296 (Bain,II, p.201), and Robert Reynfreu or Ryenfru, a Scots prsioner of war from Stirling was incarcerated in the Castle of Old Sarum between 1304-07 (Bain, II, 1644,1688 1944). Galfridus renfrew appears in Aberdeen, 1408 (CWA., p.315). Bartholomew Renfrew appears as a charter witness in Glasgow in 1481 (LCD., p 194). Robert Renfrew in Abbey parish, Paisley, 1772 (Kilbarchan). Andrew Renfrew in Eaglesham died in 1939. Renfroe and Renfro are not listed in the book, nor were they provided as alternate spellings for Renfrew --- however, that was the name that came to mind to me when I first read your post, so it is not too much of a stretch. Things may have changed when they jumped the pond.... spelling does not count in genealogy and was only formalized in the last 150 or so years. When I served as Genealogist and Chair of the Genealogical Committee for Clan Stewart Society in America (over 10 yrs), I heard many, many family legends. Yours is not among what I recall. There were 6 King James of Scotland. Which one ties to your legend? In a copy of a rare Stewart book that I have, I do see that King James II is listed not only with issue from his wife, Marie, daughter of Arnold, Duke of Gueldres, but also " The king has a also a natural son, James Stewart of Sitcks and Ballechin, ancestor of the Stewarts of Ballchin." It is likely that you may have some tie to the Stewart clan, but perhaps not of the name Renfroe. You will have to track your collateral lines and see what comes to light. With roots in Virginia and the Carolinas, it is most likely you will find SOME clan in your heritage. Yours Aye, Lauren Boyd McLachlan, FSA Scot Clans List Admin On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <kmillerus@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello everyone, > Thank you for your time as I try to figure this family line/clan of mine. Going on those lovely family stories which also seem to be untrue and chasing shadows in the dark. I thought for the longest time that I had located my family clan sad to say it was at our locate Highland games where I was shown the "proof" of our clan. Hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction of this journey that I my locate the correct clan and make contact with them for more information in the way of history of our lines. > Sorry for going on so much...here is my family puzzle. I come from the line of RENFROE , I have 10 generation of Renfroe . Starting in Scotland? and crossing over to Virginia to North Carolina and into Alabama and my grandmother ending in Oklahoma . > The starting point being of Symon and I apologize now for my stupidity as this I have followed the dreaded family stories. Been told at first he was of the Renfroe clan of Renfrewshire and then told of he was of the Stewart clan being one of King James offspring. I'm very interested in the history of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover the truth of where our clan might come from. > The spelling seems to have come from RENFREW, to RENFROE to even RENFRO. > I thank the page so much for letting me post here and I try to uncover yet another family riddle. > > thank you > kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lauren Boyd McLachlan Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Al, Kim: mtDNA does not track genealogically as our Female DNA (mtDNA) mutates every 5,000 - 10, 000 years and women's surnames change at least once per generation, if not more. Surnames have only existed for about 1,000 years -- and men's Y-DNA mutates within 1,000 years... and they generally do not change surnames. There is more detail to it than that, however, my intent is merely to explain that women's DNA is not very useful for genealogy. It is of archaeological interest. The Clan Blair has an excellent primmer on line for DNA 101. http://blairdna.com/dna101.html The Scottish Clans DNA project was begun by John Hansen over 8 years ago. We have been tracking the migration of the Scots. The Project has just been taken on by Dr. Bruce Durie of Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland. There is a discussion list available at Scot-DNA@rootsweb.com Yours Aye, Lauren Team Member, Scot Clans DNA Project -- Lauren Boyd McLachlan Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996

Hello Kim: There is no Renfroe clan. Perhaps they used the term loosely? The surname Renfrew has the Tartan "Paisley District" listed for it in Dr. Phil Smith's "Tartans for Me!." This suggests there is no clan affiliation to that name. Renfroe and Renfro are not listed. The names Renfrew, Renfroe and Renfro are not listed in the book "Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia," nor are they listed in "Scots Kith and Kin." Black's "Surnames of Scotland" lists Renfrew on page 688: RENFREW. Of local origin from the town of the same name in Renfrewshire. Adam de Reynfru of the county of Edeneburk rendered homage in 1296 (Bain,II, p.201), and Robert Reynfreu or Ryenfru, a Scots prsioner of war from Stirling was incarcerated in the Castle of Old Sarum between 1304-07 (Bain, II, 1644,1688 1944). Galfridus renfrew appears in Aberdeen, 1408 (CWA., p.315). Bartholomew Renfrew appears as a charter witness in Glasgow in 1481 (LCD., p 194). Robert Renfrew in Abbey parish, Paisley, 1772 (Kilbarchan). Andrew Renfrew in Eaglesham died in 1939. Renfroe and Renfro are not listed in the book, nor were they provided as alternate spellings for Renfrew --- however, that was the name that came to mind to me when I first read your post, so it is not too much of a stretch. Things may have changed when they jumped the pond.... spelling does not count in genealogy and was only formalized in the last 150 or so years. When I served as Genealogist and Chair of the Genealogical Committee for Clan Stewart Society in America (over 10 yrs), I heard many, many family legends. Yours is not among what I recall. There were 6 King James of Scotland. Which one ties to your legend? In a copy of a rare Stewart book that I have, I do see that King James II is listed not only with issue from his wife, Marie, daughter of Arnold, Duke of Gueldres, but also " The king has a also a natural son, James Stewart of Sitcks and Ballechin, ancestor of the Stewarts of Ballchin." It is likely that you may have some tie to the Stewart clan, but perhaps not of the name Renfroe. You will have to track your collateral lines and see what comes to light. With roots in Virginia and the Carolinas, it is most likely you will find SOME clan in your heritage. Yours Aye, Lauren Boyd McLachlan, FSA Scot Clans List Admin On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, <kmillerus@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello everyone, > Thank you for your time as I try to figure this family line/clan of mine. Going on those lovely family stories which also seem to be untrue and chasing shadows in the dark. I thought for the longest time that I had located my family clan sad to say it was at our locate Highland games where I was shown the "proof" of our clan. Hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction of this journey that I my locate the correct clan and make contact with them for more information in the way of history of our lines. > Sorry for going on so much...here is my family puzzle. I come from the line of RENFROE , I have 10 generation of Renfroe . Starting in Scotland? and crossing over to Virginia to North Carolina and into Alabama and my grandmother ending in Oklahoma . > The starting point being of Symon and I apologize now for my stupidity as this I have followed the dreaded family stories. Been told at first he was of the Renfroe clan of Renfrewshire and then told of he was of the Stewart clan being one of King James offspring. I'm very interested in the history of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover the truth of where our clan might come from. > The spelling seems to have come from RENFREW, to RENFROE to even RENFRO. > I thank the page so much for letting me post here and I try to uncover yet another family riddle. > > thank you > kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lauren Boyd McLachlan Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996

"I'm very interested in the history of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover the truth of where our clan might come from." You might try looking for them as a "Sept" of another clan. That's how I confirmed my DOCHERTY connection to the McGREGOR/GREGOR clan - although my GPa had always told me that. Also, if you're talking about your maternal GMa, your MTdna would be the same as her and you might try tracking that dna line (whether you're Male or Female you can test this) which could indicate some Scottish connections. However, the Ydna line is more commonly tracked through Males for genealogical research - did your GMa have a brother? He wouldn't necessary have to be alive - any living line of Male descendance from him could be used as their Ydna would be the same. You might refer to Megan Smolenyak's book on DNA Research in Genealogy for information on this. Also, Professor Bryan Sykes of Oxford University is researching the Scottish Clan's dna lines. You can look into this using Google. Al Doherty (paternal GPa was Docherty) Pickering, Ontario, Canada

Thank you, been searching on that site but haven't been able to turn anything up. Might try researching the surname. Just feel like I'm hitting a brick wall on this one. Thanks for your time and help kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Henderson" <buffy4@shaw.ca> To: clans@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2010 6:29:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CLANS] line of Clan that goes no where km, you could try electricscotland.com or simply search clans of Scotland. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: <kmillerus@comcast.net> To: <CLANS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: [CLANS] line of Clan that goes no where > Hello everyone, > Thank you for your time as I try to figure this family line/clan of mine. > Going on those lovely family stories which also seem to be untrue and > chasing shadows in the dark. I thought for the longest time that I had > located my family clan sad to say it was at our locate Highland games > where I was shown the "proof" of our clan. Hoping someone might be able to > point me in the right direction of this journey that I my locate the > correct clan and make contact with them for more information in the way of > history of our lines. > Sorry for going on so much...here is my family puzzle. I come from the > line of RENFROE , I have 10 generation of Renfroe . Starting in Scotland? > and crossing over to Virginia to North Carolina and into Alabama and my > grandmother ending in Oklahoma . > The starting point being of Symon and I apologize now for my stupidity as > this I have followed the dreaded family stories. Been told at first he was > of the Renfroe clan of Renfrewshire and then told of he was of the Stewart > clan being one of King James offspring. I'm very interested in the history > of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover > the truth of where our clan might come from. > The spelling seems to have come from RENFREW, to RENFROE to even RENFRO. > I thank the page so much for letting me post here and I try to uncover yet > another family riddle. > > thank you > kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/07/10 23:26:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, Thank you for your time as I try to figure this family line/clan of mine. Going on those lovely family stories which also seem to be untrue and chasing shadows in the dark. I thought for the longest time that I had located my family clan sad to say it was at our locate Highland games where I was shown the "proof" of our clan. Hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction of this journey that I my locate the correct clan and make contact with them for more information in the way of history of our lines. Sorry for going on so much...here is my family puzzle. I come from the line of RENFROE , I have 10 generation of Renfroe . Starting in Scotland? and crossing over to Virginia to North Carolina and into Alabama and my grandmother ending in Oklahoma . The starting point being of Symon and I apologize now for my stupidity as this I have followed the dreaded family stories. Been told at first he was of the Renfroe clan of Renfrewshire and then told of he was of the Stewart clan being one of King James offspring. I'm very interested in the history of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover the truth of where our clan might come from. The spelling seems to have come from RENFREW, to RENFROE to even RENFRO. I thank the page so much for letting me post here and I try to uncover yet another family riddle. thank you kim

km, you could try electricscotland.com or simply search clans of Scotland. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: <kmillerus@comcast.net> To: <CLANS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: [CLANS] line of Clan that goes no where > Hello everyone, > Thank you for your time as I try to figure this family line/clan of mine. > Going on those lovely family stories which also seem to be untrue and > chasing shadows in the dark. I thought for the longest time that I had > located my family clan sad to say it was at our locate Highland games > where I was shown the "proof" of our clan. Hoping someone might be able to > point me in the right direction of this journey that I my locate the > correct clan and make contact with them for more information in the way of > history of our lines. > Sorry for going on so much...here is my family puzzle. I come from the > line of RENFROE , I have 10 generation of Renfroe . Starting in Scotland? > and crossing over to Virginia to North Carolina and into Alabama and my > grandmother ending in Oklahoma . > The starting point being of Symon and I apologize now for my stupidity as > this I have followed the dreaded family stories. Been told at first he was > of the Renfroe clan of Renfrewshire and then told of he was of the Stewart > clan being one of King James offspring. I'm very interested in the history > of my grandmother line and only wish to ask where do I locate or uncover > the truth of where our clan might come from. > The spelling seems to have come from RENFREW, to RENFROE to even RENFRO. > I thank the page so much for letting me post here and I try to uncover yet > another family riddle. > > thank you > kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/07/10 23:26:00

Thank You! My family Campbell Clan was from Arbroath, Rescobie. I can post what I have. Do these places in Scotland support the locale from which Clan I was born to? Kathy > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:57:48 -0700 > From: listsmonster@gmail.com > To: clans@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CLANS] Welcome message to the "CLANS" mailing list has been updated > > Welcome to the CLANS mailing list! > ____________________all above this line is canned by Rootsweb________________ > Dear Clans List Posters: > > Ceud Mile Failte! A Hundred Thousand Welcomes! > > This list exists to support the Clans and to help you locate which > clan you may have been born to. It is NOT a genealogical list. It is > more of a clan topic discussion list. > > We will help you find the resources for your clan, here at Rootsweb > and in general. And as it is not a general genealogy list, there will > be more "talk" than mention of genealogy. We might expect that you > will post just enough genealogy, when necessary to help us to help you > figure out which clans are "your" clans. > > Please bear in mind that the genealogical portion of the Clans lists > and boards should keep within the time frame of the Clan System being > active in Scotland. This would be up through 1745-47 as it was quashed > following the Jacobite Wars. > > This is not to say that the various Clans lists and boards are not for > genealogical queries and posts. This is to provide a reminder that > they are CLAN specific and not general in time and place. Period circa > 1000 through 1747 and Scotland, Ireland, Europe in geographic nature. > Think of those under the Clan system and where they would have been, > as such. Where and when their Chiefs resided, origins of the name and > time frame/locations descended from. > > Remember that clan lists and boards are more inclusive than strictly > Genealogy and History, but that there are guidelines as posted by John > Hansen when he requested the Boards. > > If you are looking for general genealogy of a specific Family, then > the matching surname list and board is where to find it. If you are > looking to find out more about the clans and which your family may be > associated to then this is the list for you. It is clan specfic, not > genealogy specific. > > Genealogy on this list is focused on that of the Clan era... up > through circa 1747 and only in the areas of the Scottish > clans...Scotland, Ireland and a bit of Europe. Not the USA, Canada or > Australia, etc. > > To subscribe to any list at Rootsweb, send a message to > listname-request@rootsweb.com where "listname" is substituted for the > name of the list. > > In example, for MacLeod it would be: MacLeod-request@rootsweb.com > > Please post questions and information specific to the Clans, the Clan > organization(s) that supports the fellowship of your clan, as well as > related history and events the organization may be supporting, etc. > > You are also encouraged to participate in the Scottish Clans DNA > Project. The project is tracking the migration of all Scots world > wide. There is also a discussion list at Rootsweb for the project > which you may join, whether or not you are a participant in the > project. You need only have an interest. Send a message to > Scot-DNA-request@rootsweb.com . Follow the steps as you do to join > any of Rootsweb's lists. > > If you are interested in attending the Scottish Games, take a look to > the Scottish Information Society's website for the most comprehensive > games listing on the Internet. > http://www.scottishinfo.org and > http://www.scottishinfo.org/scottish.htm > > Yours Aye, > > Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot > Clans List Admin > Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996 > > ____________________all below this line is canned by Rootsweb________________ > > To post a message to this list, send your email to: > > CLANS@rootsweb.com > > Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also > added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com > > General information about the mailing list, including links to the > list archives, can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/CLANS.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send > an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in > the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > Sincerely, > > The CLANS List Administrator > CLANS-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger

Welcome to the CLANS mailing list! ____________________all above this line is canned by Rootsweb________________ Dear Clans List Posters: Ceud Mile Failte! A Hundred Thousand Welcomes! This list exists to support the Clans and to help you locate which clan you may have been born to. It is NOT a genealogical list. It is more of a clan topic discussion list. We will help you find the resources for your clan, here at Rootsweb and in general. And as it is not a general genealogy list, there will be more "talk" than mention of genealogy. We might expect that you will post just enough genealogy, when necessary to help us to help you figure out which clans are "your" clans. Please bear in mind that the genealogical portion of the Clans lists and boards should keep within the time frame of the Clan System being active in Scotland. This would be up through 1745-47 as it was quashed following the Jacobite Wars. This is not to say that the various Clans lists and boards are not for genealogical queries and posts. This is to provide a reminder that they are CLAN specific and not general in time and place. Period circa 1000 through 1747 and Scotland, Ireland, Europe in geographic nature. Think of those under the Clan system and where they would have been, as such. Where and when their Chiefs resided, origins of the name and time frame/locations descended from. Remember that clan lists and boards are more inclusive than strictly Genealogy and History, but that there are guidelines as posted by John Hansen when he requested the Boards. If you are looking for general genealogy of a specific Family, then the matching surname list and board is where to find it. If you are looking to find out more about the clans and which your family may be associated to then this is the list for you. It is clan specfic, not genealogy specific. Genealogy on this list is focused on that of the Clan era... up through circa 1747 and only in the areas of the Scottish clans...Scotland, Ireland and a bit of Europe. Not the USA, Canada or Australia, etc. To subscribe to any list at Rootsweb, send a message to listname-request@rootsweb.com where "listname" is substituted for the name of the list. In example, for MacLeod it would be: MacLeod-request@rootsweb.com Please post questions and information specific to the Clans, the Clan organization(s) that supports the fellowship of your clan, as well as related history and events the organization may be supporting, etc. You are also encouraged to participate in the Scottish Clans DNA Project. The project is tracking the migration of all Scots world wide. There is also a discussion list at Rootsweb for the project which you may join, whether or not you are a participant in the project. You need only have an interest. Send a message to Scot-DNA-request@rootsweb.com . Follow the steps as you do to join any of Rootsweb's lists. If you are interested in attending the Scottish Games, take a look to the Scottish Information Society's website for the most comprehensive games listing on the Internet. http://www.scottishinfo.org and http://www.scottishinfo.org/scottish.htm Yours Aye, Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot Clans List Admin Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996 ____________________all below this line is canned by Rootsweb________________ To post a message to this list, send your email to: CLANS@rootsweb.com Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/CLANS.html To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Sincerely, The CLANS List Administrator CLANS-admin@rootsweb.com

Hello Jenn: It would be rare, indeed, to actually descend from Mary. Many of us grew up with a similar family legend. Most bear no fruit. You would have to descend from her son, King James VI & I and one of his 3 children: Henry Fredrick had no issue; Elizabeth was mother to Sophia, who was mother to King George I of England (same line Queen Elizabeth descends through); or Charles I. see: http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/stuarts.pdf http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/hanover.pdf http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/Windsor%20family%20tree.pdf There is possibility of "wrong side of the sheets" descendancy, but it is more difficult to prove. Seems you have your work cut out for you if you are going to attempt to reconstruct a lost lineage. Likely you are aware you must start from the current generation and go backward in time, not begin with Mary and go forward. To suggest your tartan, one would have to know more of your background... what are your Scottish surnames? Stewart/Stuart (and the other 23 spellings) have 66 tartans, some of which are specialized to certain branches or cadets of the family. The Royal Stewart, by protocol, is to be worn (contrary to popular belief) by only the current Royal family. Anyone, Stewart or not, Scottish or not, may wear the Ancient Hunting Stewart, which is the National Tartan of Scotland. It is a pretty green. In Heraldry, there is no such thing as a "family crest." Heraldic law holds that only the person who earns or is awarded or has inherited by birthright ("Armigor") may use the crest of the Armigor who it is assigned/ belongs to. The crest is that symbol that is above the shield on a coat of arms. Clansmen/women may wear the crest of their Chief, but only encircled in a bucklet, never on its own. Most Stewarts use the Stewart of Gallway clansman badge --- it has a pelican feeding her young blood from a wound it has poked in its own breast and bears the Latin motto that translates, "Strength Grows from the Wound." You will find more about the Stewarts on the Clan Stewart in America, Inc. website. Stewart, technically is not a clan -- but rather is a House. The Royal House of Stewart -- and the Society is made of several "clans" and cadets of the original line, which began with Walter Fitz Alan, First High Steward of Scotland. He came to Scotland with King Duncan I circa 1050, from Dol in Britany, where his Ancestors had been the Senechals since 385AD. The Stewarts are Norman in origin. Do take a look to the CSSA website and consider joining. They are a great group of people and I am certain that Lisa Polk, the Chair of the Genealogical Committee and a Genealogist for Clan Stewart Society in America, will look forward to your contact. Unless things have changed (do check!) her Society address would be genealogist@clansstewart.org Consider, also, attending a Scottish Games event near you. If you have never been, you are in for a treat! The URL for CSSA's website is http://www.clansstewart.org and note there are TWO s in the URL. Even if it does not "pan out" that your wondeful family legend is true, to have Stuart ancestry is to have a very fine and proud ancestry -- whether Royalty or farmer -- tinker or gypsy. It is all interesting. Good luck to you in your genealogical endeavor. Yours Aye, Lauren Clans List Admin Genealogist Emeritas, Clan Stewart Society in America (retired -- send no queries! ) :) On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Jenn Carman <novembersrain@gmail.com> wrote: > I am told by my mother I am a descendant of Mary, Queen of Scots. > The family history was traced back to her, but now it is lost, and no one > has any information now. I would like to know how to find out other > ancestors as well, and to also find my family tartan and crest. Can anyone > tell me how I can do this knowing only I am a descendant of Mary, Queen of > Scots? > Thank you, > Jenn > > -- > If I had to run, if I had to crawl,If I had to swim a hundred rivers, just > to climb a thousand walls, Always know that I would find a way, to get to > where you are,There's no place that far > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am told by my mother I am a descendant of Mary, Queen of Scots. The family history was traced back to her, but now it is lost, and no one has any information now. I would like to know how to find out other ancestors as well, and to also find my family tartan and crest. Can anyone tell me how I can do this knowing only I am a descendant of Mary, Queen of Scots? Thank you, Jenn -- If I had to run, if I had to crawl,If I had to swim a hundred rivers, just to climb a thousand walls, Always know that I would find a way, to get to where you are,There's no place that far

Hi, Isaac Lawson, my gggg grandfather came to Rockbridge Co., VA in the Kerr's Creek area with his wife and children in 1782, according to the personal property and tax lists of the county. He was married to Agnes [surname unknown]. All of their children were married in Rockbridge, the earliest in 1799 and the last known in 1817. Isaac Lawson and Robert Lawson are listed among the names of persons taking seats in the of the Old Monmouth Meeting House on 05 Sept 1790, which became the New Monmouth Presbyterian Church. I am seeking information about the parents and siblings of Isaac Lawson and what his relationship, if any, is to Robert Lawson, who came to Rockbridge in 1784. In corresponding with Robert McLaren, I have learned that "Lawson" is connected with this Highland Clan. My cousin has participated in the Lawson DNA Project and has a haplo group of R1b1c. Is this a Highland group? I would appreciate any information about the Lawson families who came to the colonies. Thank you for your assistance, Barbara [Lawson] Shackelford TN

I don't have the answer. But have you googled for info, or gone on the Wales list or message board? They may have some ideas. Carol ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I am looking for information on the Black Wyatt Clan and the Red Wyatt Clan of Wales. They were there in the 12th Century. Can someone tell me where I can find out about them. Le

Hello Janie: I presume you are using the term "clan" loosely. There were no clans in North Carolina. You may want to post your query to the Davis surname list, which exists to support genealogy of the Davis name in any place in time and any location. If you have Clan Davis specific questions/queries (Scotland up thru 1747), you may desire to post to the Clan Davis list or board. Clan lists/boards are not primarily genealogical in nature. Their focus is on the clans, the organization, general information. They do not exist to duplicate the surname boards and lists. Yours Aye, Lauren Clans List Admin On 6/26/07, Janie Steffens <jcsfm@msn.com> wrote: > Looking for information on Davis Clan arriving in NC in 1734. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >