Good morning all In recent days I found this website Elizabeth Jennet (Johnston) Boyd (1665-1705) | WikiTree FREE... www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 When I clicked on her son George Boyd, Sr. I found this data – “George Boyd Sr. (bef 31 May 1691 - 1731) m. Isabella Irvine (1695 - 1749). m. Isobel Burns (1695 - 07 Jun 1779) on 13 Jul 1718.” For the last two or three decades that I became aware of this family, it was simply recorded as George and Isabella Boyd, with no surname was given for Isabella. But in this website, George Boyd, Sr. is listed as having married twice. From the dates of the five known sons of George and Isabella Boyd, their first son born was Patrick Boyd in about 1710 – thus suggesting his parents married in about 1708 or 1709 – which is ASSUMED to be in County Antrim and a Church of Ireland Church as he is listed as one of the founders of St Johns Church in PA. There is no date given for when George married Isabella Irvine. But if she was born in 1695, it would appear that she was only 13 or 14 years old, when she married. Not impossible, but getting to the unlikely stage. While George would be only 17 or 18 years old. This seems very young for a male of this period, unless his father had some wealth. However, Isabella Irvine is given as having died in 1749. (I am not sure that I have ever seen anyone from this family provide her death date.) Even though there is no gravestone for Isabella at St Johns, can her death be found in the Church records? Then we have a strange twist. George is said to have married a second time on 13 July 1718, while his first wife is still alive, to an Isobel Burns, born 1695 and died 7 June 1779. This marriage looks like it should or could have taken place in County Antrim. So, is this second marriage to another George Boyd? Or has a second marriage been added in mistake? Or could Isabella/Isobel have remarried sometime after George Boyd died in 1731 and either Irvine or Burns became her surname? Barry Boyd of Dallas, Texas, tell us, that Isabella is buried beside George Boyd at St Johns, PA, but there is no gravestone for her. The family tells us that the fifth son, Robert Boyd, was born 1720 and died in 1782. And there is no mention of any of the brothers being half-brothers. This “CLAIM”, that George Boyd had two wives needs to be researched further by this family. At this time, it is my view, without any evidence, that this second marriage on 13 July 1718 to Isobel Burns IS A SEPARATE MARRIAGE OF ANOTHER BOYD FAMILY. And, I look forward to seeing the result of this family’s research into the origins of this family. From this wikitree, it tells us that four people manage this family. Two are private, but it does list a Carol Miller and Bill Boyd, whom can be contacted through the wikitree system. Have any list members tried to contact either of these people? And are they descendants of George and Isabella Boyd? Thank you for your assistance Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Fake news Mike. You should know that. Wikitree is worse then Ancestry. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:00 PM Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Good morning all > > > > In recent days I found this website > > > *Elizabeth Jennet (Johnston) Boyd (1665-1705) | WikiTree FREE...* > > www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 > > > > When I clicked on her son George Boyd, Sr. > > > > I found this data – > > > > “George Boyd Sr. [image: clip_image001] [image: clip_image002] (bef 31 > May 1691 - 1731) m. Isabella Irvine (1695 - 1749). m. Isobel Burns (1695 > - 07 Jun 1779) on 13 Jul 1718.” > > > > For the last two or three decades that I became aware of this family, it > was simply recorded as George and Isabella Boyd, with no surname was given > for Isabella. > > > > But in this website, George Boyd, Sr. is listed as having married twice. > > > > From the dates of the five known sons of George and Isabella Boyd, their > first son born was Patrick Boyd in about 1710 – thus suggesting his parents > married in about 1708 or 1709 – which is ASSUMED to be in County Antrim and > a Church of Ireland Church as he is listed as one of the founders of St > Johns Church in PA. > > > > There is no date given for when George married Isabella Irvine. But if > she was born in 1695, it would appear that she was only 13 or 14 years old, > when she married. Not impossible, but getting to the unlikely stage. While > George would be only 17 or 18 years old. This seems very young for a > male of this period, unless his father had some wealth. > > > > However, Isabella Irvine is given as having died in 1749. (I am not sure > that I have ever seen anyone from this family provide her death date.) Even > though there is no gravestone for Isabella at St Johns, can her death be > found in the Church records? > > > > Then we have a strange twist. George is said to have married a second > time on 13 July 1718, while his first wife is still alive, to an Isobel > Burns, born 1695 and died 7 June 1779. This marriage looks like it > should or could have taken place in County Antrim. > > > > So, is this second marriage to another George Boyd? Or has a second > marriage been added in mistake? Or could Isabella/Isobel have remarried > sometime after George Boyd died in 1731 and either Irvine or Burns became > her surname? Barry Boyd of Dallas, Texas, tell us, that Isabella is > buried beside George Boyd at St Johns, PA, but there is no gravestone for > her. > > > > The family tells us that the fifth son, Robert Boyd, was born 1720 and > died in 1782. And there is no mention of any of the brothers being > half-brothers. > > > > This “CLAIM”, that George Boyd had two wives needs to be researched > further by this family. > > > > At this time, it is my view, without any evidence, that this second > marriage on 13 July 1718 to Isobel Burns IS A SEPARATE MARRIAGE OF ANOTHER > BOYD FAMILY. And, I look forward to seeing the result of this family’s > research into the origins of this family. > > > > From this wikitree, it tells us that four people manage this family. Two > are private, but it does list a Carol Miller and Bill Boyd, whom can be > contacted through the wikitree system. Have any list members tried to > contact either of these people? And are they descendants of George and > Isabella Boyd? > > > > Thank you for your assistance > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, Aust. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Colin I suspect it is not true, but I need to find out from researchers of this family, if George had one or two wives. And the date of his marriage!! And I need to “advertise” that there is “CONFLICT” in this published data. BUT I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT A DECADE, BUT STILL CAN’T FIND ANYONE, WHOM MIGHT HAVE LOOKED FOR PRIMARY SOURCES IN COUNTY ANTRIM. I live in hope! Mike Boyd From: Colin Brooks Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:16 AM To: clanboyd Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Did George Boyd (1691-1731) of Compass, PA (formerly of County Antrim) have two wives? Fake news Mike. You should know that. Wikitree is worse then Ancestry. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:00 PM Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: Good morning all In recent days I found this website Elizabeth Jennet (Johnston) Boyd (1665-1705) | WikiTree FREE... www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 When I clicked on her son George Boyd, Sr. I found this data – “George Boyd Sr. (bef 31 May 1691 - 1731) m. Isabella Irvine (1695 - 1749). m. Isobel Burns (1695 - 07 Jun 1779) on 13 Jul 1718.” For the last two or three decades that I became aware of this family, it was simply recorded as George and Isabella Boyd, with no surname was given for Isabella. But in this website, George Boyd, Sr. is listed as having married twice.

Hi Colin, Ancestry is not as evil as you paint it! Sure, if you naively accept other people's trees into your own, that's foolish. But Ancestry does have a lot of valuable info available that shouldn't be scorned: censuses, birth/death certs, wills, draft registration, military records, newspaper articles, plus tons of actual credible resources that others download (photos, DAR books and applications, etc.) Other people's trees also show their sources for you to examine and accept or reject. It does cost money when some other tree-makers are free, but I stick with it because it's familiar and I love the format. Melanie Gustin -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Did George Boyd (1691-1731) of Compass, PA (formerly of County Antrim) have two wives? Colin I suspect it is not true, but I need to find out from researchers of this family, if George had one or two wives. And the date of his marriage!! And I need to “advertise” that there is “CONFLICT” in this published data. BUT I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT A DECADE, BUT STILL CAN’T FIND ANYONE, WHOM MIGHT HAVE LOOKED FOR PRIMARY SOURCES IN COUNTY ANTRIM. I live in hope! Mike Boyd From: Colin Brooks Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:16 AM To: clanboyd Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Did George Boyd (1691-1731) of Compass, PA (formerly of County Antrim) have two wives? Fake news Mike. You should know that. Wikitree is worse then Ancestry. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:00 PM Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: Good morning all In recent days I found this website Elizabeth Jennet (Johnston) Boyd (1665-1705) | WikiTree FREE... www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 When I clicked on her son George Boyd, Sr. I found this data – “George Boyd Sr. (bef 31 May 1691 - 1731) m. Isabella Irvine (1695 - 1749). m. Isobel Burns (1695 - 07 Jun 1779) on 13 Jul 1718.” For the last two or three decades that I became aware of this family, it was simply recorded as George and Isabella Boyd, with no surname was given for Isabella. But in this website, George Boyd, Sr. is listed as having married twice.

Melanie, I just wanted to say I appreciate your response regarding Ancestry. I too have used Ancestry and find they have digitalized may of their records and have added the resources of many states that have digitalized their records. I find the sources be of great help. I find a lot of people are only interested in seeing how many people they can copy from a tree to make their own tree appear bigger. But many of those same people use other programs and do the same thing. I for one enjoy the use of the resources you have mentioned and since I cannot get to all the repositories to do the research myself I do appreciate Ancestry. Karen M. On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:33 PM Melanie Gustin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Colin, > > Ancestry is not as evil as you paint it! Sure, if you naively accept > other > people's trees into your own, that's foolish. But Ancestry does have a > lot > of valuable info available that shouldn't be scorned: censuses, > birth/death > certs, wills, draft registration, military records, newspaper articles, > plus > tons of actual credible resources that others download (photos, DAR books > and applications, etc.) Other people's trees also show their sources for > you to examine and accept or reject. It does cost money when some other > tree-makers are free, but I stick with it because it's familiar and I love > the format. > > Melanie Gustin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Did George Boyd (1691-1731) of Compass, PA > (formerly > of County Antrim) have two wives? > > Colin > I suspect it is not true, but I need to find out from researchers of this > family, if George had one or two wives. And the date of his marriage!! > > And I need to “advertise” that there is “CONFLICT” in this published data. > BUT I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT A DECADE, BUT STILL CAN’T FIND > ANYONE, > WHOM MIGHT HAVE LOOKED FOR PRIMARY SOURCES IN COUNTY ANTRIM. > > I live in hope! > > Mike Boyd > > From: Colin Brooks > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:16 AM > To: clanboyd > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Did George Boyd (1691-1731) of Compass, PA > (formerly > of County Antrim) have two wives? > > Fake news Mike. You should know that. Wikitree is worse then Ancestry. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:00 PM Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good morning all > > > > In recent days I found this website > > > > Elizabeth Jennet (Johnston) Boyd (1665-1705) | WikiTree FREE... > www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 > > > > When I clicked on her son George Boyd, Sr. > > > > I found this data – > > > > “George Boyd Sr. (bef 31 May 1691 - 1731) m. Isabella Irvine (1695 - > 1749). m. Isobel Burns (1695 - 07 Jun 1779) on 13 Jul 1718.” > > > > For the last two or three decades that I became aware of this family, it > was simply recorded as George and Isabella Boyd, with no surname was given > for Isabella. > > > > But in this website, George Boyd, Sr. is listed as having married twice. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Folks, the Primary data of Census, wills birth, etc with Ancestry is quite good. And with any transcriptions, there is likely to be errors - so you need to read the introduction to the website and to make a suitable NOTE or footnote if the data being used is form Primary sources or from transcribed information. However, with regard to the Boyd Family trees - many of these are RUBBISH AS THEY CONNECT A JAMES BOYD IN THE USA WITH A JAMES BOYD IN IRELAND OR SOME UNRELATED PERIOD. In this case, many of these IT trees that include George and Isabella Boyd of Compass, PA, make incorrect connections to the Rev Adam Boyd family whom were Presbyterians and they have both families connected to Bishop Andrew Boyd's family - WHICH IS IN CORRECT. UNFORTUNATELY, MAN PEOPLE BELIEVE THESE FALSE TREES. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Gustin Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 4:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Did George Boyd (1691-1731) of Compass, PA (formerly of County Antrim) have two wives? Hi Colin, Ancestry is not as evil as you paint it! Sure, if you naively accept other people's trees into your own, that's foolish. But Ancestry does have a lot of valuable info available that shouldn't be scorned: censuses, birth/death certs, wills, draft registration, military records, newspaper articles, plus tons of actual credible resources that others download (photos, DAR books and applications, etc.) Other people's trees also show their sources for you to examine and accept or reject. It does cost money when some other tree-makers are free, but I stick with it because it's familiar and I love the format. Melanie Gustin