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Debbie With any published tree, you still need to be able to check what are the facts, etc In the case of Robert Boyd, the Glover of Kilmarnock, I think that I have seen about 5 books "incorrectly" state that he is the son of the Earl. Bit the Earl's son was born in 1670 and not in 1689 AND DIED IN 1702 and not in 1761. I assume in Bruce's case with his father's death certificate, he would need to make a footnote and tell the sorry as to why it is wrong, so that in a few decades, someone does not cite the Death Certificate as the true records when it is clearly not. I assume that we can all point to some errors in paper work in our trees. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shields Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Mary Helton Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy My understanding is that Burke’s peerage is “a source.” I believe that, like WIKIPEDIA, some family or agent of a family is considered the “owner” of the entry, but if the editors believe they are being given poor information, the entry can be revised. It is not an original source. All sources must be treated with some degree of skepticism. My favorite example is that of the Death Certificate of my own father. He died at home, some 20 miles from the town office, in Ryegate, VT. So the physician who came in response to the care-giver’s alert filled out the form using information from my younger sister. Dad was born in the detached village of Florence near Pueblo, Colorado. At age 10, the family moved to Berthoud, CO. Answering the doctor’s questions late at night, my sister put Dad's birthplace as Berthoud (where his father is buried). So there is an error in that as filed. Starting about 1830, Scottish DC’s list the name and relationship of the informant, which helps evaluate the value of the information. > On Dec 26, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike, > > I was once told that Burkes Peerage - and thus other similar sites/books > were only secondary sources (thus not primary sources) so should we be > taking these sites as 'gospel'? > > Debbie >

Mary and list Thank you for posting this advice. There are some other sources that could also be used when you are doing your own tree – 1) Bourke’s Peerage and Baronetage; 2) Debrett’s Peerage; 3) I am not sure if in the New England History and Genealogical Society publications, if they may also have a suitable list of abbreviations that could be used in compiling your family tree. What ever source you use, you need to have an list of those abbreviations that you use at the beginning of your book – before your start your story – or as an appendix at the end. BUT YOUR MUST CLEARLY SHOW WHAT ABBREVIATIONS YOU HAVE USED IN THE TEXT OF YOUR STORY AND TREE. Good writing in 2020 of your articles, for your Clan Society, your local Genealogical Society or your own family book. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:47 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Mary Helton Subject: [CLANBOYD] Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy https://www.geni.com/projects/Abbreviations-Acronyms-for-Genealogy-The-Accepted/3096

Mike, I was once told that Burkes Peerage - and thus other similar sites/books were only secondary sources (thus not primary sources) so should we be taking these sites as 'gospel'? Debbie On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 20:24, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Mary and list > > Thank you for posting this advice. > > There are some other sources that could also be used when you are doing > your > own tree – > > 1) Bourke’s Peerage and Baronetage; > > 2) Debrett’s Peerage; > > 3) I am not sure if in the New England History and Genealogical Society > publications, if they may also have a suitable list of abbreviations that > could be used in compiling your family tree. > > What ever source you use, you need to have an list of those abbreviations > that you use at the beginning of your book – before your start your story > – > or as an appendix at the end. BUT YOUR MUST CLEARLY SHOW WHAT > ABBREVIATIONS > YOU HAVE USED IN THE TEXT OF YOUR STORY AND TREE. > > Good writing in 2020 of your articles, for your Clan Society, your local > Genealogical Society or your own family book. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Mary Helton > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy > > > https://www.geni.com/projects/Abbreviations-Acronyms-for-Genealogy-The-Accepted/3096 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

My understanding is that Burke’s peerage is “a source.” I believe that, like WIKIPEDIA, some family or agent of a family is considered the “owner” of the entry, but if the editors believe they are being given poor information, the entry can be revised. It is not an original source. All sources must be treated with some degree of skepticism. My favorite example is that of the Death Certificate of my own father. He died at home, some 20 miles from the town office, in Ryegate, VT. So the physician who came in response to the care-giver’s alert filled out the form using information from my younger sister. Dad was born in the detached village of Florence near Pueblo, Colorado. At age 10, the family moved to Berthoud, CO. Answering the doctor’s questions late at night, my sister put Dad's birthplace as Berthoud (where his father is buried). So there is an error in that as filed. Starting about 1830, Scottish DC’s list the name and relationship of the informant, which helps evaluate the value of the information. > On Dec 26, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike, > > I was once told that Burkes Peerage - and thus other similar sites/books > were only secondary sources (thus not primary sources) so should we be > taking these sites as 'gospel'? > > Debbie > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 20:24, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mary and list >> >> Thank you for posting this advice. >> >> There are some other sources that could also be used when you are doing >> your >> own tree – >> >> 1) Bourke’s Peerage and Baronetage; >> >> 2) Debrett’s Peerage; >> >> 3) I am not sure if in the New England History and Genealogical Society >> publications, if they may also have a suitable list of abbreviations that >> could be used in compiling your family tree. >> >> What ever source you use, you need to have an list of those abbreviations >> that you use at the beginning of your book – before your start your story >> – >> or as an appendix at the end. BUT YOUR MUST CLEARLY SHOW WHAT >> ABBREVIATIONS >> YOU HAVE USED IN THE TEXT OF YOUR STORY AND TREE. >> >> Good writing in 2020 of your articles, for your Clan Society, your local >> Genealogical Society or your own family book. >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane, Aust. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:47 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Mary Helton >> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy >> >> >> https://www.geni.com/projects/Abbreviations-Acronyms-for-Genealogy-The-Accepted/3096 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >> confirm the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Debbie Rea > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Thanks Bruce - I think it was Bruce Durie, a Scottish genealogist and perhaps now Sir Bruce said that to me many years ago. So good to have this all re-confirmed! Debbie On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 22:54, Bruce Shields <[email protected]> wrote: > My understanding is that Burke’s peerage is “a source.” I believe that, > like WIKIPEDIA, some family or agent of a family is considered the “owner” > of the entry, but if the editors believe they are being given poor > information, the entry can be revised. It is not an original source. All > sources must be treated with some degree of skepticism. > > My favorite example is that of the Death Certificate of my own father. He > died at home, some 20 miles from the town office, in Ryegate, VT. So the > physician who came in response to the care-giver’s alert filled out the > form using information from my younger sister. Dad was born in the > detached village of Florence near Pueblo, Colorado. At age 10, the family > moved to Berthoud, CO. Answering the doctor’s questions late at night, my > sister put Dad's birthplace as Berthoud (where his father is buried). So > there is an error in that as filed. Starting about 1830, Scottish DC’s > list the name and relationship of the informant, which helps evaluate the > value of the information. > > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > I was once told that Burkes Peerage - and thus other similar sites/books > > were only secondary sources (thus not primary sources) so should we be > > taking these sites as 'gospel'? > > > > Debbie > > > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 20:24, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Mary and list > >> > >> Thank you for posting this advice. > >> > >> There are some other sources that could also be used when you are doing > >> your > >> own tree – > >> > >> 1) Bourke’s Peerage and Baronetage; > >> > >> 2) Debrett’s Peerage; > >> > >> 3) I am not sure if in the New England History and Genealogical > Society > >> publications, if they may also have a suitable list of abbreviations > that > >> could be used in compiling your family tree. > >> > >> What ever source you use, you need to have an list of those > abbreviations > >> that you use at the beginning of your book – before your start your > story > >> – > >> or as an appendix at the end. BUT YOUR MUST CLEARLY SHOW WHAT > >> ABBREVIATIONS > >> YOU HAVE USED IN THE TEXT OF YOUR STORY AND TREE. > >> > >> Good writing in 2020 of your articles, for your Clan Society, your local > >> Genealogical Society or your own family book. > >> > >> Mike Boyd > >> Brisbane, Aust. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD > >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:47 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Cc: Mary Helton > >> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy > >> > >> > >> > https://www.geni.com/projects/Abbreviations-Acronyms-for-Genealogy-The-Accepted/3096 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________ > >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > >> confirm the facts in original sources. > >> > >> Clan Boyd Society, International > >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > >> > > > > > > -- > > Debbie Rea > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > > > Clan Boyd Society, International > > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > Bruce P. Shields > 6405 Garfield Rd > Hyde Park VT 05655 > (802) 888 5165 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

Debbie and all I am sorry that I do not know the "Primary" sources Burke's and Debrett's I had "assumed" - big assumption - that they came from family sources, but I have no idea. But it was to the use of their Abbreviations that I was referring to, to Mary's website that she sent us. Both Burke's and Debrett's family trees would be superior to many of the IT trees that I have seen in recent years on Boyd families. But even The Scots Peerage, which is based on the Lord Lyons office - as far as the Boyd family is concerned is wrong in sections - such as the first Earl's son being Robert Boyd the glover, when in fact he was a soldier. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 8:33 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Mary Helton Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy Mike, I was once told that Burkes Peerage - and thus other similar sites/books were only secondary sources (thus not primary sources) so should we be taking these sites as 'gospel'? Debbie On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 20:24, Mike Boyd <[email protected]d.com> wrote: > Mary and list > > Thank you for posting this advice. > > There are some other sources that could also be used when you are doing > your > own tree – > > 1) Bourke’s Peerage and Baronetage; > > 2) Debrett’s Peerage; > > 3) I am not sure if in the New England History and Genealogical Society > publications, if they may also have a suitable list of abbreviations that > could be used in compiling your family tree. > > What ever source you use, you need to have an list of those abbreviations > that you use at the beginning of your book – before your start your story > – > or as an appendix at the end. BUT YOUR MUST CLEARLY SHOW WHAT > ABBREVIATIONS > YOU HAVE USED IN THE TEXT OF YOUR STORY AND TREE. > > Good writing in 2020 of your articles, for your Clan Society, your local > Genealogical Society or your own family book. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Mary Helton > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Abbreviations and Acronyms used in Genealogy > > > https://www.geni.com/projects/Abbreviations-Acronyms-for-Genealogy-The-Accepted/3096 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community