The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire I then looked to see if I could see a marriage and there was no marriage in the 1994 IGI for the UK for a George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnstoun between 1672 and 1691. However I did find a possible birth for THE George who married Elizabeth as follows:- George BOYD (M).............. B: Abt 1661 B: 8 Jun 1936 LOGAN F#: 177927 @ Spouse: Elizabeth JOHNSTON of Parish of Airth, Stirling, E: Pre-1970 P#: 70 Scotland SP: Pre-1970 O#: 2720 If the above George is George Boyd (R5 see below) father, you might expect that he was married in the early 1680's and this would, I would estimate, place George as the 4th or 5th child. By using the ISYS program on the 1994 IGI for the UK I was only able to find one other child born to this George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnstoun/Johnston which was a son - a James Boyd born possibly in late 1693 at Airth. His details are below:- John BOYD (M).............. C: 25 Feb 1687 B: 14 Jun 1990 ARIZO Ba: C114692 Father: George BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 22 Feb 1991 ARIZO So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elspet JOHNSTON SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO George BOYD (M)........... C: 17 May 1692 B: 17 Apr 1974 SLAKE Ba: 7331611 84 Father: Georg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 6 Jun 1974 SLAKE So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 20 Aug 1974 SLAKE James BOYD (M)............. C: 3 Jan 1694 B: 11 Oct 1887 Ba: 7331612 6 Father: Gorg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 28 Feb 1945 ALBER So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTON SP: 5 Mar 1946 SLAKE If it is accepted that George was born in Airth, Stirlingshire instead of Co. Antrim then George's parents MIGHT be - Q1 George Boyd, bc 1661 (Parish of Airth, Stirlingshire), d / /17xx ( , Ireland?), bu , mc 168x (Anglican Church, Airth?), Elizabeth Johnston, dau of and (nee ) Johnston, b / /166x ( ), d / /17xx ( , Ireland?), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] R3? John Boyd, b / /1687 (Airth) R5? George Boyd, b / /1691 (Airth), R6? James Boyd, b / /1693 (Airth) QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? If we accept that this George Boyd was born in 1661, it could mean that he married between 1681 to 1686. So, determining when they married may help us to work out if John Boyd, born in 1687 is their first child or the second, third or fourth (unlikely to have that may born in this 5-year window) children. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? In the IGI it provides one Church record and two private trees, that these three are of the same family. Not a high degree of confidence. I am aware that in some of the IT trees that I have seen online or in websites, but which I now can’t put my hands on, I think that I have seen about six children listed. But I can’t recall the names, sex or dates of these births. David Boyd of Oxfordshire, England, tell us his DNA test results match those of a descendant of George Boyd of Compass, PA. And I think that noticed a few days ago, when Bob Boyd, posted the DNA results, that at least two people had the starting point as a George Boyd born in 1661. So, I am not quite sure if one of these is David of Oxfordshire, or a third party who is also researching this same Boyd family from Airth. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Now might also be a good time to ask the list if any members belong to the Stirlingshire at ROOTSWEB.COM net list. If so, feel free to post these articles on this family to that net lit. I have a list of over 30 people researching this family, so is there one of that number that could also join this Stirlingshire net list at rootsweb.com There are “quite” a number of other Boyd families in Airth in the 1600’s, plus a number from Stirling (City) itself, and I think several other places as well in this County. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? If I recall, the Johnston Clan came from between Lockerbie and Moffat and east of the M74, but I am not quite sure how far East they went. They were a Border Clan. But they could also have had an Estate near Airth, as well. As far as I know, no one has yet provided any advice from the Johnston side of this family. So that may also be explored. And as Boyd families had Estates in Dumfriesshire from before 1450, it may mean that both this Boyd family and the Johnston family moved to the Airth area, for yet an unknown reason, prior to 1670. And this Boyd family maybe linked to Boyds form this Border part of Scotland. Please discuss, my questions!! Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Hello Mike, Taking your questions: QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? I have an image of the Church record for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston --- 4th June 1686 at Airth in Scotland. James Logan and John Logan are listed and look like names of the officials who carried out the marriage. Record is crystal clear and very brief. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) I have only located two other Boyds in the 1685-1700 period at Airth. Fathers were John & Malcolm. QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? I'd like to think so in Ireland. I have yet to find any Irish records that can help. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Didn't find any. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? I haven't (Did I pass the test, Mike?) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 06:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire I then looked to see if I could see a marriage and there was no marriage in the 1994 IGI for the UK for a George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnstoun between 1672 and 1691. However I did find a possible birth for THE George who married Elizabeth as follows:- George BOYD (M).............. B: Abt 1661 B: 8 Jun 1936 LOGAN F#: 177927 @ Spouse: Elizabeth JOHNSTON of Parish of Airth, Stirling, E: Pre-1970 P#: 70 Scotland SP: Pre-1970 O#: 2720 If the above George is George Boyd (R5 see below) father, you might expect that he was married in the early 1680's and this would, I would estimate, place George as the 4th or 5th child. By using the ISYS program on the 1994 IGI for the UK I was only able to find one other child born to this George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnstoun/Johnston which was a son - a James Boyd born possibly in late 1693 at Airth. His details are below:- John BOYD (M).............. C: 25 Feb 1687 B: 14 Jun 1990 ARIZO Ba: C114692 Father: George BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 22 Feb 1991 ARIZO So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elspet JOHNSTON SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO George BOYD (M)........... C: 17 May 1692 B: 17 Apr 1974 SLAKE Ba: 7331611 84 Father: Georg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 6 Jun 1974 SLAKE So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 20 Aug 1974 SLAKE James BOYD (M)............. C: 3 Jan 1694 B: 11 Oct 1887 Ba: 7331612 6 Father: Gorg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 28 Feb 1945 ALBER So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTON SP: 5 Mar 1946 SLAKE If it is accepted that George was born in Airth, Stirlingshire instead of Co. Antrim then George's parents MIGHT be - Q1 George Boyd, bc 1661 (Parish of Airth, Stirlingshire), d / /17xx ( , Ireland?), bu , mc 168x (Anglican Church, Airth?), Elizabeth Johnston, dau of and (nee ) Johnston, b / /166x ( ), d / /17xx ( , Ireland?), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] R3? John Boyd, b / /1687 (Airth) R5? George Boyd, b / /1691 (Airth), R6? James Boyd, b / /1693 (Airth) QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? If we accept that this George Boyd was born in 1661, it could mean that he married between 1681 to 1686. So, determining when they married may help us to work out if John Boyd, born in 1687 is their first child or the second, third or fourth (unlikely to have that may born in this 5-year window) children. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? In the IGI it provides one Church record and two private trees, that these three are of the same family. Not a high degree of confidence. I am aware that in some of the IT trees that I have seen online or in websites, but which I now can’t put my hands on, I think that I have seen about six children listed. But I can’t recall the names, sex or dates of these births. David Boyd of Oxfordshire, England, tell us his DNA test results match those of a descendant of George Boyd of Compass, PA. And I think that noticed a few days ago, when Bob Boyd, posted the DNA results, that at least two people had the starting point as a George Boyd born in 1661. So, I am not quite sure if one of these is David of Oxfordshire, or a third party who is also researching this same Boyd family from Airth. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Now might also be a good time to ask the list if any members belong to the Stirlingshire at ROOTSWEB.COM net list. If so, feel free to post these articles on this family to that net lit. I have a list of over 30 people researching this family, so is there one of that number that could also join this Stirlingshire net list at rootsweb.com There are “quite” a number of other Boyd families in Airth in the 1600’s, plus a number from Stirling (City) itself, and I think several other places as well in this County. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? If I recall, the Johnston Clan came from between Lockerbie and Moffat and east of the M74, but I am not quite sure how far East they went. They were a Border Clan. But they could also have had an Estate near Airth, as well. As far as I know, no one has yet provided any advice from the Johnston side of this family. So that may also be explored. And as Boyd families had Estates in Dumfriesshire from before 1450, it may mean that both this Boyd family and the Johnston family moved to the Airth area, for yet an unknown reason, prior to 1670. And this Boyd family maybe linked to Boyds form this Border part of Scotland. Please discuss, my questions!! Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

David only one out of five!!! The marriage in 1686 at Airth, Stirlingshire - can you provide the name of the Church please so I can include that in Chapter 5/266 and cite the source. Years ago, I have assumed that the brother James Boyd, born 1687, was the third son, but I will now have to make him the first child on that marriage data There is an website form wikitree www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 That I have been tying to get time to research and reply to. This run by four people - 2 private and Carol Miller and Bill Boyd (not any of the several that I know of). Does anyone have contact with these two people. In this it says "Elizabeth Jannet Boyd formerly Johnston born 1665 in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland Daughter of James Johnston and Katherine (Stuart) Johnston [siblings unknown] Wife of Robert Boyd - married 5 Oct 1685 in Wester Jaw Falkirk, Clackmamman, Scotland Mother of George Boyd, Sr., James Boyd, William Boyd, Robert Boyd, Jr. and John Boyd. Died 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester Co., PA" Oh, a thought just occurred to me. Could there be TWO ELIZABETH JANNET JOHNSTONS, one married a Robert Boyd and a Second marriage the above George Boyd I have not heard of the Wester Jaw Church in Falkirk. I have only visited Falkirk, STIRLINGSHIRE twice, but I was not looking for Churches. Nor am I aware of any Falkirk in Clakmannan!! 1) This John Boyd, was born about 17005 - 1750; when your John Boyd was born in 1687; And his wife is given as Anne Lettice and not Mary Stewart. (I have not yet followed this family down to the next generations but I suspect it will shoe it is i the PA and not in London.) 2) Robert Boyd, Jr. has that he was born 1697 - 1754, and married Alice Henderson; I have the family of Boyd of Sadsbury, Chester County, PA as - Q1 Robert Boyd, b 1678 ( ), d 1743 ( ), bu , m 170x ( , ), wife not given, dau of and , b 16xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:-B-1 [Lived: ] R1 James Boyd, bc 1703 ( ), d 1764 ( ), bu , m 172x ( , ), Jane/Janett Henderson, dau of and (nee ) Henderson, b 17xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), and had issue:-B-1-1 [Lived: ] (At this time I am not quite sure if Carol Miller, etc have confused James Boyd's wife as Robert Boyd's wife) I "understand" - I think that I am correct, that this is the family that are a few rows away from Rev Adam Boyd's family of Upper Octorara, in Parkesburg, PA - and this family were Presbyterian's and not Church of England, as George and Isabella Boyd's family At St Johns. At this period, you would not expect brothers to be of different religions. Especially just after the Killing Times. [I also notice that other IT tree have this Robert Boyd (1678 - 1743) as the FATHER OF George Boyd, when he was only 13 years older, and this Robert Boyd as the son of the Rev Adam Boyd II. (Square pegs in round holds comes to mind.) 3) William Boyd born 1696 - 1706, I think the location was in County Antrim, but the mother is given as having died in 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester County, PA. So that does not look right!!! 4.) James Boyd born 1695 - d 1764; this does not fit the IGI data and I think the Church Data that David Boyd of Oxfordshire has sent me At this time, I would ASSUME THAT SONS, JAMES, ROBERT AND JOHN, are not the brothers of George Boyd (1691 -1731), but COULD BE, the sons of an Elizabeth Jennet Johnston and a ROBERT BOYD and not the sons of Elizabeth Johnston and GEORGE BOYD. If anyone is in contact with Carol Miller and Bill Boyd form this Wikitree Boyd family, COULD YOU ASK THEM TO CONTACT ME PLEASE!!! Is any member of this list on the Stirlingshire Net list at rootsweb.com? If so, could you post this message to that net list please and also let this list know. I suspect that there is still quite a bit of work to be done to correct quite a number of IT BOYD trees that are out there. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 5:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire Hello Mike, Taking your questions: QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? I have an image of the Church record for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston --- 4th June 1686 at Airth in Scotland. James Logan and John Logan are listed and look like names of the officials who carried out the marriage. Record is crystal clear and very brief. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) I have only located two other Boyds in the 1685-1700 period at Airth. Fathers were John & Malcolm. QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? I'd like to think so in Ireland. I have yet to find any Irish records that can help. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Didn't find any. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? I haven't (Did I pass the test, Mike?) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 06:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire

Hello Mike, All five at the Old Airth Parish Church: George Baptism 1660, George Marriage 1686, John Baptism 1687, George Baptism 1691 and James Baptism 1694. The link you provide is just a transcription - spreading the wrong interpretation that it was Robert Boyd rather than George Boyd who married Elisabeth Johnston. Wester Jaw is on the opposite diagonal across Falkirk to Airth - similar distance away. Just over 10 miles by car. Clackmammanshire is the other side of the River Forth to Airth. It's a small county so perhaps a few small counties are lumped into one for Church records (guess). On there being a second Elizabeth Johnston - let's see the Church record. We seem to be getting hung up on one person's transcription error in IGI / LDS which is permeated as others blindly copy. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 21 December 2019 00:04 To: David Boyd <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire David only one out of five!!! The marriage in 1686 at Airth, Stirlingshire - can you provide the name of the Church please so I can include that in Chapter 5/266 and cite the source. Years ago, I have assumed that the brother James Boyd, born 1687, was the third son, but I will now have to make him the first child on that marriage data There is an website form wikitree www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 That I have been tying to get time to research and reply to. This run by four people - 2 private and Carol Miller and Bill Boyd (not any of the several that I know of). Does anyone have contact with these two people. In this it says "Elizabeth Jannet Boyd formerly Johnston born 1665 in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland Daughter of James Johnston and Katherine (Stuart) Johnston [siblings unknown] Wife of Robert Boyd - married 5 Oct 1685 in Wester Jaw Falkirk, Clackmamman, Scotland Mother of George Boyd, Sr., James Boyd, William Boyd, Robert Boyd, Jr. and John Boyd. Died 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester Co., PA" Oh, a thought just occurred to me. Could there be TWO ELIZABETH JANNET JOHNSTONS, one married a Robert Boyd and a Second marriage the above George Boyd I have not heard of the Wester Jaw Church in Falkirk. I have only visited Falkirk, STIRLINGSHIRE twice, but I was not looking for Churches. Nor am I aware of any Falkirk in Clakmannan!! 1) This John Boyd, was born about 17005 - 1750; when your John Boyd was born in 1687; And his wife is given as Anne Lettice and not Mary Stewart. (I have not yet followed this family down to the next generations but I suspect it will shoe it is i the PA and not in London.) 2) Robert Boyd, Jr. has that he was born 1697 - 1754, and married Alice Henderson; I have the family of Boyd of Sadsbury, Chester County, PA as - Q1 Robert Boyd, b 1678 ( ), d 1743 ( ), bu , m 170x ( , ), wife not given, dau of and , b 16xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:-B-1 [Lived: ] R1 James Boyd, bc 1703 ( ), d 1764 ( ), bu , m 172x ( , ), Jane/Janett Henderson, dau of and (nee ) Henderson, b 17xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), and had issue:-B-1-1 [Lived: ] (At this time I am not quite sure if Carol Miller, etc have confused James Boyd's wife as Robert Boyd's wife) I "understand" - I think that I am correct, that this is the family that are a few rows away from Rev Adam Boyd's family of Upper Octorara, in Parkesburg, PA - and this family were Presbyterian's and not Church of England, as George and Isabella Boyd's family At St Johns. At this period, you would not expect brothers to be of different religions. Especially just after the Killing Times. [I also notice that other IT tree have this Robert Boyd (1678 - 1743) as the FATHER OF George Boyd, when he was only 13 years older, and this Robert Boyd as the son of the Rev Adam Boyd II. (Square pegs in round holds comes to mind.) 3) William Boyd born 1696 - 1706, I think the location was in County Antrim, but the mother is given as having died in 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester County, PA. So that does not look right!!! 4.) James Boyd born 1695 - d 1764; this does not fit the IGI data and I think the Church Data that David Boyd of Oxfordshire has sent me At this time, I would ASSUME THAT SONS, JAMES, ROBERT AND JOHN, are not the brothers of George Boyd (1691 -1731), but COULD BE, the sons of an Elizabeth Jennet Johnston and a ROBERT BOYD and not the sons of Elizabeth Johnston and GEORGE BOYD. If anyone is in contact with Carol Miller and Bill Boyd form this Wikitree Boyd family, COULD YOU ASK THEM TO CONTACT ME PLEASE!!! Is any member of this list on the Stirlingshire Net list at rootsweb.com? If so, could you post this message to that net list please and also let this list know. I suspect that there is still quite a bit of work to be done to correct quite a number of IT BOYD trees that are out there. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 5:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire Hello Mike, Taking your questions: QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? I have an image of the Church record for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston --- 4th June 1686 at Airth in Scotland. James Logan and John Logan are listed and look like names of the officials who carried out the marriage. Record is crystal clear and very brief. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) I have only located two other Boyds in the 1685-1700 period at Airth. Fathers were John & Malcolm. QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? I'd like to think so in Ireland. I have yet to find any Irish records that can help. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Didn't find any. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? I haven't (Did I pass the test, Mike?) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 06:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire