Good morning all The place of birth of George Boyd of Compass, PA? I first became aware of George Boyd of Compass, PA when I read an article in Dean Road in 1998. In the October 1998 issue of Dean Road, page 16, Vera Metz of 375 Harrison St., Twin Falls ID 83301 USA said that George was born in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland. I am not sure on what bases she has made this claim? Airth, Stirlingshire is about 1 km from the south bank of the River Forth - about 12 kms SE of Stirling Town and about 6 kms north of Grangemouth. It is also in a part of Scotland where a number of Boyd's were frequent, although not as frequent as in Ayrshire. So armed with this information, I was able to consult the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK and found the following entries:- George BOYD (M)...... C: 31 May 1691 B: 11 Oct 1887 LOGAN F#: 177846 @ Rel: Hugh FINDLAY Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: Pre-1970 P#: 199 (no parents listed) SP: Pre-1970 O#: 7130 Georg BOYD (M)............. C: 31 May 1691 B: 11 Oct 1887 Ba: C114692 Father: Robert BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 21 Feb 1945 ALBER So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO George BOYD (M)........... B: 1691 B: 21 Oct 1980 OGDEN Ba: F801962 10 @^_- Spouse: Isabella Mrs BOYD Antrim, Ulster Province, Ireland E: 8 Nov 1980 OGDEN So: 1260781 George BOYD (M)........... C: 17 May 1692 B: 17 Apr 1974 SLAKE Ba: 7331611 84 Father: Georg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 6 Jun 1974 SLAKE So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 20 Aug 1974 SLAKE John BOYD (M).............. C: 25 Feb 1687 B: 14 Jun 1990 ARIZO Ba: C114692 Father: George BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 22 Feb 1991 ARIZO So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elspet JOHNSTON SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO While these 4 entries fit around the time of George's date of birth - one said he was born in Co Antrim, Ireland and the other 3 in Airth, Stirlingshire. There also appears to be some confusion over the name of the George Boyd father, who was born in Airth's. One entry said it was Robert and another said Georg. Perhaps by using the batch number, the source of these entries can be found from the LDS centre. There might even be a book written which includes this George Boyd and the author could be a Hugh Findlay which the LDS centre might be able to confirm. From those early readings, it was “generally” agreed that George and his family came from County Antrim. But the town unknown. Mr Gary Boyd Roberts of Boston, MA in 2016, told me, that “he had been told” that George came from Ballymoney, but his source had not supplied him with any data to support this “claim”. I have not been back to Ireland since I was told this information and at this time I am planning to go to the USA in late May/June in 2020 and I am not sure, when I will make my next visit to Ireland. But searching the County Antrim and more particularly, the Ballymoney records, may need to be undertaken by others of this family, to see what “records” they can look at and to make a list of those, and the results of their search so that others know, what had been researched and what still needs to be researched. While the gravestone at St. Johns, Compass, PA tell us that George was born in 1691, it does not tell us the “day” or “month” or “location” of his birth. SO, QUESTION ONE – Are these IGI entries above “our George Boyd”? As best that might be determined is that we can say they are “most likely” that he was born in Airth. Stirlingshire. But there could be other records that have not yet been put into the IGI records or yet to be made available. THE SECOND QUESTION – WAS HE BORN IN COUNTY ANTRIM OR AIRTH? From the 1994 IGI for the UK, it is known that George Boyd had a younger brother Baptised on 4 January 1694 in Airth, to the same parents as him – George Boyd and Elizabeth/Elspet Johnson. This would suggest that, if this is the same family, that George Boyd, the father, and his wife Elizabeth Johnston, did not migrate from Scotland until after 4 January 1694. And it is “thought” that George Boyd, the son, married Isabella in County Antrim in about 1709 or 1710. So, this would provide a possible window of about 15 or 16 years that this migration might have taken place. If any records of this migration can be found today? The THIRD QUESTION – ANY RECORD OF GEORGE BOYD, THE FATHER, AND ELIZABETH JOHNSTON LIVING IN COUNTY ANTRIM? Since I first went to County Antrim in 2004, I have never found any such family. However, that does not mean that there are no records of this family in Ireland – just that I have not yet found them. And if the family moved there in 1694, it would mean that George, the son, was only 3 years old. So that tell us that he is not going by himself, but would to have parents there. While if he arrived in 1709, this would make him 18 years old and may or may not have travelled with his parents. The FOURTH QUESTION – ANY GRAVES FOR GEORGE BOYD, THE FATHER, AND ELIZABETH JOHNSTON While I do have some Cemetery Records for some of the County Antrim Cemeteries, but there are still many that I do not have. I am aware of the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, which produced a series of Volumes for the County Down Gravestone Inscriptions. But I have not seen any Volumes for Antrim – but I am sure that the Minister at Church of Ireland, in Ballycastle, gave me a few pages for one Volume that covered the old Church at Ballymoney. But those pages never got back to Brisbane for some reason. So, are any members of this list a member of the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, Northern Ireland. And can you advise if there is a series of Volumes for County Antrim Cemeteries. Or if someone is going to Belfast next Summer in 2020, could you either join the Ulster Historical Foundation or visit their Library. (I have an idea that I may have seen this Library in the Queens University area about a decade ago, but I can’t recall if you can just walk in off the street or if it is only available to members? Does anyone know?) The Ulster Historical Foundation, maybe the best source to see if there are any records of a grave for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston in County Antrim or not. Or are there other records that need to be consulted? Hear, I am ASSUMING that they are in a Church of Ireland Churchyard in County Antrim? I have Dorothy Arthur’s books on the graves at St Patricks, Ballymoney, [which I assume is the C of I for Ballymoney], but that does not list any suitable candidates for their Graves. THE FIFTH QUESTION – WAS GEORGE BOYD, THE SON’S FATHER ROBERT BOYD AND NOT GEORGE BOYD? In the above list of IGI entries, the second entry shows that his father as Robert Boyd and the 4th and 5th entries show George Boyd. So, while this entry is from the Church Records, is it correct or has there been an transcription error? David Boyd of Oxfordshire, are you able to confirm this one way or the other? So, that George Boyd, the son’s father can be determined, as either GEORGE or ROBERT. And as you can see there are still many questions, with when and where George Boyd, the son, was born, yet to be determined to a higher level of satisfaction. I hope that these Questions and observations, will help those researching the place of birth of George Boyd, the son, in 1691, to be able to find some of the answers that people have been searching for, these past 25 years or more. And remember to tell the list where, and what sources you have looked at, so that others are not also looking at those same sources without any success. (I can list these research efforts at the bottom of Family Chapter 5/266, as a record of what sources have proved unfruitful.) Good Hunting. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Hello Mike, Just catching up with the backlog of e-mails. I have an image of the Church record. George Boyd, Bptzd. 31 May 1691. Quote (or how it looks): Sabbath the last of May 1691 The ??? day George Boyd son lawful (damage) And Elizabeth Johnston now baptized by Ron Whyt To know who the father was you need to look at the sibling other baptisms, John 1687 & James 1694. Also look at the Boyd who married a Elizabeth (or Elspet) Johnston. It was a George and not as many have wrongly written as Robert. I have yet to see any Antrim records for this period. Antrim is probably cited because they did come from Ireland to the US but they were Scots. I have seen claimed that parents George died in 1712 and Elizabeth in 1705, but no evidence. George the baby we are discussing died in 1731 in Compass PA. The tombstone is in find-a-grave. These are Haplogroup A Boyds. We are up against the issue with anyone can post on Ancestry or FamilySearch. Some is reliable and some needs deeper analysis. Thank you. David Boyd <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 04:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The place of birth of George Boyd of Compass, PA? Good morning all The place of birth of George Boyd of Compass, PA? I first became aware of George Boyd of Compass, PA when I read an article in Dean Road in 1998. In the October 1998 issue of Dean Road, page 16, Vera Metz of 375 Harrison St., Twin Falls ID 83301 USA said that George was born in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland. I am not sure on what bases she has made this claim? Airth, Stirlingshire is about 1 km from the south bank of the River Forth - about 12 kms SE of Stirling Town and about 6 kms north of Grangemouth. It is also in a part of Scotland where a number of Boyd's were frequent, although not as frequent as in Ayrshire. So armed with this information, I was able to consult the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK and found the following entries:- George BOYD (M)...... C: 31 May 1691 B: 11 Oct 1887 LOGAN F#: 177846 @ Rel: Hugh FINDLAY Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: Pre-1970 P#: 199 (no parents listed) SP: Pre-1970 O#: 7130 Georg BOYD (M)............. C: 31 May 1691 B: 11 Oct 1887 Ba: C114692 Father: Robert BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 21 Feb 1945 ALBER So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO George BOYD (M)........... B: 1691 B: 21 Oct 1980 OGDEN Ba: F801962 10 @^_- Spouse: Isabella Mrs BOYD Antrim, Ulster Province, Ireland E: 8 Nov 1980 OGDEN So: 1260781 George BOYD (M)........... C: 17 May 1692 B: 17 Apr 1974 SLAKE Ba: 7331611 84 Father: Georg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 6 Jun 1974 SLAKE So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 20 Aug 1974 SLAKE John BOYD (M).............. C: 25 Feb 1687 B: 14 Jun 1990 ARIZO Ba: C114692 Father: George BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 22 Feb 1991 ARIZO So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elspet JOHNSTON SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO While these 4 entries fit around the time of George's date of birth - one said he was born in Co Antrim, Ireland and the other 3 in Airth, Stirlingshire. There also appears to be some confusion over the name of the George Boyd father, who was born in Airth's. One entry said it was Robert and another said Georg. Perhaps by using the batch number, the source of these entries can be found from the LDS centre. There might even be a book written which includes this George Boyd and the author could be a Hugh Findlay which the LDS centre might be able to confirm. From those early readings, it was “generally” agreed that George and his family came from County Antrim. But the town unknown. Mr Gary Boyd Roberts of Boston, MA in 2016, told me, that “he had been told” that George came from Ballymoney, but his source had not supplied him with any data to support this “claim”. I have not been back to Ireland since I was told this information and at this time I am planning to go to the USA in late May/June in 2020 and I am not sure, when I will make my next visit to Ireland. But searching the County Antrim and more particularly, the Ballymoney records, may need to be undertaken by others of this family, to see what “records” they can look at and to make a list of those, and the results of their search so that others know, what had been researched and what still needs to be researched. While the gravestone at St. Johns, Compass, PA tell us that George was born in 1691, it does not tell us the “day” or “month” or “location” of his birth. SO, QUESTION ONE – Are these IGI entries above “our George Boyd”? As best that might be determined is that we can say they are “most likely” that he was born in Airth. Stirlingshire. But there could be other records that have not yet been put into the IGI records or yet to be made available. THE SECOND QUESTION – WAS HE BORN IN COUNTY ANTRIM OR AIRTH? From the 1994 IGI for the UK, it is known that George Boyd had a younger brother Baptised on 4 January 1694 in Airth, to the same parents as him – George Boyd and Elizabeth/Elspet Johnson. This would suggest that, if this is the same family, that George Boyd, the father, and his wife Elizabeth Johnston, did not migrate from Scotland until after 4 January 1694. And it is “thought” that George Boyd, the son, married Isabella in County Antrim in about 1709 or 1710. So, this would provide a possible window of about 15 or 16 years that this migration might have taken place. If any records of this migration can be found today? The THIRD QUESTION – ANY RECORD OF GEORGE BOYD, THE FATHER, AND ELIZABETH JOHNSTON LIVING IN COUNTY ANTRIM? Since I first went to County Antrim in 2004, I have never found any such family. However, that does not mean that there are no records of this family in Ireland – just that I have not yet found them. And if the family moved there in 1694, it would mean that George, the son, was only 3 years old. So that tell us that he is not going by himself, but would to have parents there. While if he arrived in 1709, this would make him 18 years old and may or may not have travelled with his parents. The FOURTH QUESTION – ANY GRAVES FOR GEORGE BOYD, THE FATHER, AND ELIZABETH JOHNSTON While I do have some Cemetery Records for some of the County Antrim Cemeteries, but there are still many that I do not have. I am aware of the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, which produced a series of Volumes for the County Down Gravestone Inscriptions. But I have not seen any Volumes for Antrim – but I am sure that the Minister at Church of Ireland, in Ballycastle, gave me a few pages for one Volume that covered the old Church at Ballymoney. But those pages never got back to Brisbane for some reason. So, are any members of this list a member of the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, Northern Ireland. And can you advise if there is a series of Volumes for County Antrim Cemeteries. Or if someone is going to Belfast next Summer in 2020, could you either join the Ulster Historical Foundation or visit their Library. (I have an idea that I may have seen this Library in the Queens University area about a decade ago, but I can’t recall if you can just walk in off the street or if it is only available to members? Does anyone know?) The Ulster Historical Foundation, maybe the best source to see if there are any records of a grave for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston in County Antrim or not. Or are there other records that need to be consulted? Hear, I am ASSUMING that they are in a Church of Ireland Churchyard in County Antrim? I have Dorothy Arthur’s books on the graves at St Patricks, Ballymoney, [which I assume is the C of I for Ballymoney], but that does not list any suitable candidates for their Graves. THE FIFTH QUESTION – WAS GEORGE BOYD, THE SON’S FATHER ROBERT BOYD AND NOT GEORGE BOYD? In the above list of IGI entries, the second entry shows that his father as Robert Boyd and the 4th and 5th entries show George Boyd. So, while this entry is from the Church Records, is it correct or has there been an transcription error? David Boyd of Oxfordshire, are you able to confirm this one way or the other? So, that George Boyd, the son’s father can be determined, as either GEORGE or ROBERT. And as you can see there are still many questions, with when and where George Boyd, the son, was born, yet to be determined to a higher level of satisfaction. I hope that these Questions and observations, will help those researching the place of birth of George Boyd, the son, in 1691, to be able to find some of the answers that people have been searching for, these past 25 years or more. And remember to tell the list where, and what sources you have looked at, so that others are not also looking at those same sources without any success. (I can list these research efforts at the bottom of Family Chapter 5/266, as a record of what sources have proved unfruitful.) Good Hunting. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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