Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a Tartan Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had them and it was red. -----Original Message----- From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well and it is clearly blue. On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, > ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. > I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy > library to look up the Boyd tartans. > > Emalu > > > At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >> pieces in >> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >> different >> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >> different so >> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >> the >> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >> in the >> US that had one made in blue? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >> were >> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >> and natural in color and tone. >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >> > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >> > Muhammad in >> > Medina. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> > >> > >> >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >> Ever >> >> read "The Red Tent"? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >> >> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >> women...some >> >>> man in >> >>> the Middle East? >> >>> >> >>> Jan >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >> >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >> >>>> >> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. 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