When I was a child my cousins and I had "Boyd" outfits that were much like the Royal Stewart tartan. It wasn't till I went to Scotland that I was sold the blue with orange stripe "Boyd Sept" tartan. On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a > Tartan > Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it > doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had > them and > it was red. > > -----Original Message----- > From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book > with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well > and it is clearly blue. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > >> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >> ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. >> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >> library to look up the Boyd tartans. >> >> Emalu >> >> >> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>> pieces in >>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>> different >>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>> different so >>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>> the >>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >>> in the >>> US that had one made in blue? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if >>> it >>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>> expensive >>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>> tweed >>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>> were >>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>> muted >>> and natural in color and tone. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>> Muhammad in >>>> Medina. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> >>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>> Ever >>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>> women...some >>>>>> man in >>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>> to >>>>>>> the >>>>>> girls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

Hello Boyds I meant no blue BOYD tartan. I see no blue whatsoever in my Boyd kilt. Of course I may be color blind but my wife Jerri Lynn says there is no blue in the tartan either. I can take a closeup photo with my digital camera if anyone wants to see the actual tartan color and the sett. My kilt was made in Scotland for Dunedin Scottish of Florida. Of course your computer shows color differently but on my computer there is still no blue in the tartan. Actually it is the sett that makes the tartan. The sett is the design of the tartan, not the color. Colors may actually be off color in the same tartar but the sett must remain the same. Email me and I'll send a close-up scan of my Boyd kilt. richboyd@speednetLLC.com Best Regards Rich Boyd agfoster@headscheme.com wrote: > When I was a child my cousins and I had "Boyd" outfits that were much > like the Royal Stewart tartan. > It wasn't till I went to Scotland that I was sold the blue with > orange stripe "Boyd Sept" tartan. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > >> Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a >> Tartan >> Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it >> doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had >> them and >> it was red. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book >> with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well >> and it is clearly blue. >> >> On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: >> >>> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >>> ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. >>> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >>> library to look up the Boyd tartans. >>> >>> Emalu >>> >>> >>> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>>> pieces in >>>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>>> different >>>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>>> different so >>>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>>> the >>>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >>>> in the >>>> US that had one made in blue? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread >>>> if it >>>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>>> expensive >>>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>>> tweed >>>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>>> were >>>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>>> muted >>>> and natural in color and tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>>> Muhammad in >>>>> Medina. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>>>> >>>> Ever >>>> >>>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>>>>> >>>> women...some >>>> >>>>>>> man in >>>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> girls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

And what is the Sett? -----Original Message----- From: Rich [mailto:richboyd@speednetllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:52 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Boyd] Boyd Tartan Hello Boyds I meant no blue BOYD tartan. I see no blue whatsoever in my Boyd kilt. Of course I may be color blind but my wife Jerri Lynn says there is no blue in the tartan either. I can take a closeup photo with my digital camera if anyone wants to see the actual tartan color and the sett. My kilt was made in Scotland for Dunedin Scottish of Florida. Of course your computer shows color differently but on my computer there is still no blue in the tartan. Actually it is the sett that makes the tartan. The sett is the design of the tartan, not the color. Colors may actually be off color in the same tartar but the sett must remain the same. Email me and I'll send a close-up scan of my Boyd kilt. richboyd@speednetLLC.com Best Regards Rich Boyd agfoster@headscheme.com wrote: > When I was a child my cousins and I had "Boyd" outfits that were much > like the Royal Stewart tartan. > It wasn't till I went to Scotland that I was sold the blue with > orange stripe "Boyd Sept" tartan. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > >> Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a >> Tartan >> Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it >> doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had >> them and >> it was red. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book >> with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well >> and it is clearly blue. >> >> On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: >> >>> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >>> ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. >>> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >>> library to look up the Boyd tartans. >>> >>> Emalu >>> >>> >>> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>>> pieces in >>>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>>> different >>>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>>> different so >>>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>>> the >>>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >>>> in the >>>> US that had one made in blue? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread >>>> if it >>>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>>> expensive >>>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>>> tweed >>>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>>> were >>>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>>> muted >>>> and natural in color and tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>>> Muhammad in >>>>> Medina. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>>>> >>>> Ever >>>> >>>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>>>>> >>>> women...some >>>> >>>>>>> man in >>>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> girls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees