Thanks, that agrees with what I have heard before too. At least part of as far as being a new tartan and not ancient! -----Original Message----- From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@direcway.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:44 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye There was not an ancient Boyd Tartan, as a matter of fact there was no Boyd tartan until it was designed in the 1950's by the current Chieftains father, Gilbert Allan Rowland Boyd. He assumed the title after the murder of his brother Josslyn Victor Hay who held both Boyd and Hay titles.The next in line was his sister but the Boyd title would not pass to a woman. The younger brother Gilbert accepted the Boyd title and had his name changed from Hay to Boyd. The Boyd tartan is predominantly red but has blue, green and yellow. I was told when I first purchased my kilt that it was fashioned after the Brodie tartan with some adjustments. Joe Boyd Williams I have seen what is called an ancient Boyd tartan but it is only the modern tartan woven with faded wool. ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book > with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well and > it is clearly blue. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > >> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, ancient, >> battle. They can be different colors usually. >> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy library >> to look up the Boyd tartans. >> >> Emalu >> >> >> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces >>> in >>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>> different >>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>> different so >>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>> the >>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in >>> the >>> US that had one made in blue? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were >>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >>> and natural in color and tone. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>> > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>> > Muhammad in >>> > Medina. >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> > >>> > >>> >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>> Ever >>> >> read "The Red Tent"? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>> women...some >>> >>> man in >>> >>> the Middle East? >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>> >>>> offspring >>> >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>> >>>> blankets, >>> >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>> to >>> >>>> the >>> >>> girls. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Emalu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >>>> trees >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >> >>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >> trees >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> > RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> > >>> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> > trees >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

The tartan ebooks show the Boyd tartan as designed in 1956. So maybe the Stewart was actually what my dad bought and grandmother made. Anyway, we surely were a cute foursome. On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Thanks, that agrees with what I have heard before too. At least part > of as > far as being a new tartan and not ancient! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@direcway.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:44 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > There was not an ancient Boyd Tartan, as a matter of fact there was no > Boyd > tartan until it was designed in the 1950's by the current Chieftains > father, > > Gilbert Allan Rowland Boyd. He assumed the title after the murder of > his > brother Josslyn Victor Hay who held both Boyd and Hay titles.The next > in > line was his sister but the Boyd title would not pass to a woman. The > younger brother Gilbert accepted the Boyd title and had his name > changed > from Hay to Boyd. > > The Boyd tartan is predominantly red but has blue, green and yellow. I > was > told when I first purchased my kilt that it was fashioned after the > Brodie > tartan with some adjustments. > > Joe Boyd Williams > I have seen what is called an ancient Boyd tartan but it is only the > modern > tartan woven with faded wool. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a >> book >> with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well >> and >> it is clearly blue. >> >> On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: >> >>> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >>> ancient, >>> battle. They can be different colors usually. >>> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >>> library > >>> to look up the Boyd tartans. >>> >>> Emalu >>> >>> >>> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>>> pieces >>>> in >>>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>>> different >>>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>>> different so >>>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>>> the >>>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or >>>> something in > >>>> the >>>> US that had one made in blue? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or >>>> jean, >>>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if >>>> it >>>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi >>>> (India), >>>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>>> expensive >>>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>>> tweed >>>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>>> were >>>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know >>>> of. >>>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>>> muted >>>> and natural in color and tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>>> Muhammad in >>>>> Medina. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>>> Ever >>>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>>> women...some >>>>>>> man in >>>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>>> to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> girls. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >