Jan You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk mail! Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a filter. > You need to change from speednetllc.com. > > I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I > don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt > that I need it. > > JanC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My > guess is 95 percent > > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > tiring and tedious > > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single > email that might help > > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a spam > file > > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > > > <<<<<<< > > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > > her computer and away she surfed. > > > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > > willing to help her find the answers. > > > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > > sources and in such a short time. > > > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > > of spam. > > > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > > approved sender list. > > > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > > What on earth could be the problem? > > > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > > messages from spamblockers. > > > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > > and other Internet resources. > > > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is granted > > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

I don't. They seem to get rid of all of that sex and drugs stuff just fine. I use mac.com. Dee On Sep 16, 2004, at 6:17 AM, RichBoyd wrote: > Jan > > You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk > mail! > > Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > >> Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a > filter. >> You need to change from speednetllc.com. >> >> I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and >> I >> don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but >> doubt >> that I need it. >> >> JanC >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM >> Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner >> >> >>> This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. >>> My >> guess is 95 percent >>> of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is >> tiring and tedious >>> but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one >>> single >> email that might help >>> me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a > spam >> file >>> and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. >>> >>> <<<<<<< >>> 1. NEWS AND NOTES >>> 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem >>> >>> Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family >>> history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she >>> was going through the attic at the old family house. >>> >>> She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with >>> all >>> the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who >>> were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She >>> decided >>> to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she >>> booted up >>> her computer and away she surfed. >>> >>> Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >>> and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, >>> locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. >>> She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old >>> family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. >>> She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she >>> found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the >>> initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in >>> the >>> rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable >>> people >>> willing to help her find the answers. >>> >>> Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even >>> able >>> to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the >>> family Bible record with her post on the boards. >>> >>> Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually >>> posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ >>> And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on >>> the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data >>> COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to >>> RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ >>> >>> Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional >>> information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated >>> individuals >>> who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had >>> belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the >>> sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally >>> amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online >>> sources and in such a short time. >>> >>> She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in >>> Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming >>> e- >>> mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox >>> with >>> increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible >>> for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address >>> all >>> over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam >>> seem >>> to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. >>> If >>> you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to >>> supply a means by which they can reach you. >>> >>> With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into >>> Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the >>> unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her >>> friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy >>> try >>> out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her >>> inbox >>> of spam. >>> >>> Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that >>> she >>> downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a >>> thought >>> as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- >>> mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included >>> in >>> her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail >>> Jail" >>> approved sender list. >>> >>> At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! >>> However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from >>> those >>> who had information for her and from those who had found her listing >>> on >>> the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh >>> yes, >>> and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just >>> stopped. >>> What on earth could be the problem? >>> >>> Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she >>> had >>> set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off >>> she >>> trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi >>> to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk >>> did >>> not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after >>> all she had contributed? What nerve! >>> >>> Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor >>> of >>> the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on >>> the >>> HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. >>> >>> Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that >>> served so >>> well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use >>> e-mail >>> to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- >>> blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, >>> wouldn't >>> allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review >>> editor >>> to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were >>> being >>> trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. >>> Neither >>> the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" >>> messages from spamblockers. >>> >>> This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing >>> lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the >>> actual >>> poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily >>> someone >>> in your address book and not from the list itself by name. >>> >>> Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another >>> spam-blocking >>> program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all >>> your >>> spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the >>> spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy >>> stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to >>> obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: >>> http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been >>> unsubbed from many of her busier lists. >>> >>> Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was >>> bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, >>> not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to >>> explain >>> the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but >>> wiser, >>> with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly >>> restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well >>> for >>> genealogists who are researching on the Net. >>> >>> Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail >>> filters, >>> and consideration must be given as to how they will work with >>> RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be >>> sent >>> a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or >>> bounced >>> -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists >>> and other Internet resources. >>> >>> And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, >>> including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the >>> editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need >>> tweaking and it might even be the culprit. >>> >>> >>> "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is > granted >>> unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is >>> used >>> for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following >>> notice >>> appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb >>> Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > >

I can't help but wonder what else it is deleting. My server spam filter filters as much good stuff I want to get (contacts form other researchers) as the stuff I don't want. An example: I am trying to send information that was requested to a lady, and my emails are bounced back. She is on aol. So much for the effectiveness of the server spam filter. Jane in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McAllister" <damcallister@centurytel.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > I don't. They seem to get rid of all of that sex and drugs stuff just > fine. > I use mac.com. > Dee > On Sep 16, 2004, at 6:17 AM, RichBoyd wrote: > > > Jan > > > > You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk > > mail! > > > > Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > > > > Rich > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > > >> Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a > > filter. > >> You need to change from speednetllc.com. > >> > >> I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and > >> I > >> don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but > >> doubt > >> that I need it. > >> > >> JanC > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > >> Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > >> > >> > >>> This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. > >>> My > >> guess is 95 percent > >>> of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > >> tiring and tedious > >>> but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one > >>> single > >> email that might help > >>> me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a > > spam > >> file > >>> and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > >>> > >>> <<<<<<< > >>> 1. NEWS AND NOTES > >>> 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > >>> > >>> Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > >>> history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > >>> was going through the attic at the old family house. > >>> > >>> She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with > >>> all > >>> the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > >>> were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She > >>> decided > >>> to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she > >>> booted up > >>> her computer and away she surfed. > >>> > >>> Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: > >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > >>> and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > >>> locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > >>> She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > >>> family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > >>> She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > >>> found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > >>> initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in > >>> the > >>> rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable > >>> people > >>> willing to help her find the answers. > >>> > >>> Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even > >>> able > >>> to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > >>> family Bible record with her post on the boards. > >>> > >>> Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > >>> posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: > >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > >>> And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > >>> the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > >>> COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > >>> RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > >>> > >>> Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > >>> information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated > >>> individuals > >>> who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > >>> belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > >>> sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > >>> amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > >>> sources and in such a short time. > >>> > >>> She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > >>> Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming > >>> e- > >>> mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox > >>> with > >>> increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > >>> for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address > >>> all > >>> over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam > >>> seem > >>> to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. > >>> If > >>> you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > >>> supply a means by which they can reach you. > >>> > >>> With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > >>> Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > >>> unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > >>> friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy > >>> try > >>> out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her > >>> inbox > >>> of spam. > >>> > >>> Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that > >>> she > >>> downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a > >>> thought > >>> as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > >>> mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included > >>> in > >>> her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail > >>> Jail" > >>> approved sender list. > >>> > >>> At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > >>> However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from > >>> those > >>> who had information for her and from those who had found her listing > >>> on > >>> the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh > >>> yes, > >>> and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just > >>> stopped. > >>> What on earth could be the problem? > >>> > >>> Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she > >>> had > >>> set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off > >>> she > >>> trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: > >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > >>> to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk > >>> did > >>> not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > >>> all she had contributed? What nerve! > >>> > >>> Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor > >>> of > >>> the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on > >>> the > >>> HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > >>> > >>> Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that > >>> served so > >>> well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use > >>> e-mail > >>> to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > >>> blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, > >>> wouldn't > >>> allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review > >>> editor > >>> to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were > >>> being > >>> trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. > >>> Neither > >>> the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > >>> messages from spamblockers. > >>> > >>> This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > >>> lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the > >>> actual > >>> poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily > >>> someone > >>> in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > >>> > >>> Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another > >>> spam-blocking > >>> program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all > >>> your > >>> spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > >>> spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > >>> stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > >>> obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > >>> http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > >>> unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > >>> > >>> Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > >>> bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > >>> not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to > >>> explain > >>> the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but > >>> wiser, > >>> with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > >>> restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well > >>> for > >>> genealogists who are researching on the Net. > >>> > >>> Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail > >>> filters, > >>> and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > >>> RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be > >>> sent > >>> a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or > >>> bounced > >>> -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > >>> and other Internet resources. > >>> > >>> And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > >>> including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > >>> editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > >>> tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > >>> > >>> > >>> "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is > > granted > >>> unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is > >>> used > >>> for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following > >>> notice > >>> appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > >>> Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

Rich, I get very little because my ISP use a through filter system. Some does get through, but not very much. Having said this I suppose I'll be covered-up with SPAM now. Hope not. Maybe I should knock on wood. Jim. At 08:17 AM 9/16/04, you wrote: >Jan > >You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk mail! > >Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > >Rich > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> >To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a >filter. > > You need to change from speednetllc.com. > > > > I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I > > don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt > > that I need it. > > > > JanC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > > Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > > > > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My > > guess is 95 percent > > > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > > tiring and tedious > > > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single > > email that might help > > > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a >spam > > file > > > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > > > > > <<<<<<< > > > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > > > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > > > > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > > > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > > > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > > > > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > > > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > > > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > > > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > > > her computer and away she surfed. > > > > > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > > > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > > > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > > > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > > > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > > > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > > > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > > > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > > > willing to help her find the answers. > > > > > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > > > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > > > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > > > > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > > > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > > > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > > > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > > > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > > > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > > > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > > > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > > > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > > > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > > > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > > > sources and in such a short time. > > > > > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > > > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > > > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > > > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > > > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > > > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > > > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > > > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > > > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > > > > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > > > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > > > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > > > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > > > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > > > of spam. > > > > > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > > > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > > > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > > > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > > > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > > > approved sender list. > > > > > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > > > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > > > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > > > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > > > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > > > What on earth could be the problem? > > > > > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > > > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > > > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > > > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > > > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > > > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > > > > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > > > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > > > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > > > > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > > > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > > > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > > > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > > > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > > > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > > > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > > > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > > > messages from spamblockers. > > > > > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > > > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > > > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > > > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > > > > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > > > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > > > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > > > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > > > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > > > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > > > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > > > > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > > > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > > > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > > > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > > > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > > > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > > > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > > > > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > > > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > > > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > > > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > > > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > > > and other Internet resources. > > > > > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > > > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > > > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > > > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > > > > > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is >granted > > > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > > > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > > > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > > > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

Rich - nope, I receive none. My server Infowest filters everything. I had a problem with my other server Burgoyne. I received over a hundred msgs today, and not one spam or junk mail.. Infowest is based in Southern Utah...maybe you could use them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [ClanBoyd] spam > Jan > > You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk mail! > > Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a > filter. > > You need to change from speednetllc.com. > > > > I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I > > don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt > > that I need it. > > > > JanC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > > Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > > > > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My > > guess is 95 percent > > > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > > tiring and tedious > > > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single > > email that might help > > > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a > spam > > file > > > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > > > > > <<<<<<< > > > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > > > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > > > > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > > > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > > > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > > > > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > > > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > > > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > > > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > > > her computer and away she surfed. > > > > > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > > > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > > > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > > > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > > > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > > > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > > > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > > > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > > > willing to help her find the answers. > > > > > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > > > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > > > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > > > > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > > > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > > > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > > > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > > > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > > > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > > > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > > > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > > > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > > > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > > > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > > > sources and in such a short time. > > > > > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > > > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > > > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > > > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > > > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > > > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > > > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > > > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > > > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > > > > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > > > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > > > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > > > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > > > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > > > of spam. > > > > > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > > > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > > > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > > > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > > > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > > > approved sender list. > > > > > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > > > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > > > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > > > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > > > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > > > What on earth could be the problem? > > > > > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > > > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > > > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > > > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > > > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > > > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > > > > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > > > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > > > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > > > > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > > > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > > > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > > > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > > > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > > > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > > > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > > > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > > > messages from spamblockers. > > > > > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > > > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > > > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > > > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > > > > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > > > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > > > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > > > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > > > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > > > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > > > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > > > > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > > > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > > > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > > > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > > > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > > > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > > > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > > > > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > > > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > > > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > > > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > > > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > > > and other Internet resources. > > > > > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > > > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > > > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > > > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > > > > > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is > granted > > > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > > > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > > > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > > > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >