I have seen several documents that had the X. The words, HIS MARK, were written above the X. -------------- Original message -------------- > Andrew Boyd made his X the first time he voted in Frederick but wrote > his name the next year. I have wondered whether that "autograph" still > exists or whether it was just notated that he wrote it. There is > something about seeing handwriting that is such a personal connection. > And yes, people did suffer from disease without Celebrex. But the Boyds > (mine at least) seem to have lived to a pretty healthy old age. > Anna Grace > On Jul 7, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > > > Our ancestors were NOT as illiterate as we have often thought. The > > problem > > is, they read and wrote in their native language!!! Phonetic spelling > > was > > used more widely then, than it is now and it was thought to be a sign > > of > > high intelligence to be able to spell names and words in more then one > > manner. Look at Napoleon, he never spelled his name the same way > > twice. > > > > And yes the spelling was often determined by the clerk and whether > > they were > > of the same cultural group, i.e. German or English. > > I have church records from Frederick, MD. in which the family name > > changed > > spelling each time the church got a new clerk. And I do know that at > > least > > some of the family could read and write German. > > > > Another matter that is often over looked when we look at legal records. > > When you see that an X was used take a good look at it and also, keep > > in > > mind the age of the person. If you know someone with arthritis, watch > > how > > hard it is for them to use a pen or to write anything. Our ancestors > > didn't > > have our modern medicines to help them, think how painful and hard it > > would > > have been to write. > > Jane in Ohio > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan Curtis" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] BOYDE > > > > > >> Changing spelling of names was common (because most of the people were > >> illiterate)....my one family spelled their name Gohalston, Golson, > >> Golsan, > >> Golston, Gholston, Goldstein, Gulston, and I have even more bizarre > >> spellings of other names. > >> > >> JanC > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Harry Boyde" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:47 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] BOYDE > >> > >> > >>> Thanks for asking!! Until my father came along our family name was > >>> Boyd. > >> No > >>> E.! As a youngster my father was teased by his mother's family and > >>> some > >>> friends about belonging to a black family that lived near him also > >>> with > >> the > >>> Boyd name. He was very displeased with the teasing and eventially > >>> added > >> the > >>> E to our name. I forgot to mention his father died when he was 6 yrs. > > and > >>> mother died at 12. He was raised by grandparents and an uncle on his > >> mothers > >>> side.I was born with the E and have never seen a need to change. As > >>> I am > > a > >>> world traveler by profession, I can tell you that England, Ireland > >>> and > >>> Scotland have plenty of Boyde's with E listed in their phone books. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Rich" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:32 PM > >>> Subject: [Boyd] BOYDE > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> When I type the surname BOYDE in the search engine of my web site I > > get > >>>> 100+ hits. > >>>> Lots of Boyde's in early records in Canada and the U.S. > >>>> > >>>> When I type BOYD I get 1475 hits. > >>>> > >>>> When I type the BOID I get 60 hits. BOIDE gets only 4 hits. > >>>> > >>>> When I type BOYED I get 23 hits. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Harry: > >>>> Where did your name get the "e" on it? I haven't seen that except in > >>>> medieval docs. My understanding/reading is that it comes from the > >> Norman > >>>> French for "beauty" or the Gaelic for "fair" > >>>> Anna Grace > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Harry Boyde wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>> > >>>> > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >

A lot of time, a "Mark" was for cattle identification. ----- Original Message ----- From: <hboyde@comcast.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] BOYDE > I have seen several documents that had the X. The words, HIS MARK, were written above the X. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Andrew Boyd made his X the first time he voted in Frederick but wrote > > his name the next year. I have wondered whether that "autograph" still > > exists or whether it was just notated that he wrote it. There is > > something about seeing handwriting that is such a personal connection. > > And yes, people did suffer from disease without Celebrex. But the Boyds > > (mine at least) seem to have lived to a pretty healthy old age. > > Anna Grace > > On Jul 7, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > > > > > Our ancestors were NOT as illiterate as we have often thought. The > > > problem > > > is, they read and wrote in their native language!!! Phonetic spelling > > > was > > > used more widely then, than it is now and it was thought to be a sign > > > of > > > high intelligence to be able to spell names and words in more then one > > > manner. Look at Napoleon, he never spelled his name the same way > > > twice. > > > > > > And yes the spelling was often determined by the clerk and whether > > > they were > > > of the same cultural group, i.e. German or English. > > > I have church records from Frederick, MD. in which the family name > > > changed > > > spelling each time the church got a new clerk. And I do know that at > > > least > > > some of the family could read and write German. > > > > > > Another matter that is often over looked when we look at legal records. > > > When you see that an X was used take a good look at it and also, keep > > > in > > > mind the age of the person. If you know someone with arthritis, watch > > > how > > > hard it is for them to use a pen or to write anything. Our ancestors > > > didn't > > > have our modern medicines to help them, think how painful and hard it > > > would > > > have been to write. > > > Jane in Ohio > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jan Curtis" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] BOYDE > > > > > > > > >> Changing spelling of names was common (because most of the people were > > >> illiterate)....my one family spelled their name Gohalston, Golson, > > >> Golsan, > > >> Golston, Gholston, Goldstein, Gulston, and I have even more bizarre > > >> spellings of other names. > > >> > > >> JanC > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Harry Boyde" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:47 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] BOYDE > > >> > > >> > > >>> Thanks for asking!! Until my father came along our family name was > > >>> Boyd. > > >> No > > >>> E.! As a youngster my father was teased by his mother's family and > > >>> some > > >>> friends about belonging to a black family that lived near him also > > >>> with > > >> the > > >>> Boyd name. He was very displeased with the teasing and eventially > > >>> added > > >> the > > >>> E to our name. I forgot to mention his father died when he was 6 yrs. > > > and > > >>> mother died at 12. He was raised by grandparents and an uncle on his > > >> mothers > > >>> side.I was born with the E and have never seen a need to change. As > > >>> I am > > > a > > >>> world traveler by profession, I can tell you that England, Ireland > > >>> and > > >>> Scotland have plenty of Boyde's with E listed in their phone books. > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Rich" > > >>> To: > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:32 PM > > >>> Subject: [Boyd] BOYDE > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> When I type the surname BOYDE in the search engine of my web site I > > > get > > >>>> 100+ hits. > > >>>> Lots of Boyde's in early records in Canada and the U.S. > > >>>> > > >>>> When I type BOYD I get 1475 hits. > > >>>> > > >>>> When I type the BOID I get 60 hits. BOIDE gets only 4 hits. > > >>>> > > >>>> When I type BOYED I get 23 hits. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Harry: > > >>>> Where did your name get the "e" on it? I haven't seen that except in > > >>>> medieval docs. My understanding/reading is that it comes from the > > >> Norman > > >>>> French for "beauty" or the Gaelic for "fair" > > >>>> Anna Grace > > >>>> > > >>>> On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Harry Boyde wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > >>>> RING OF BOYDS > > >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > > trees > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > >>> > > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > >>> trees > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > >> > > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > >> trees > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > > trees > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >