Hello listers Another brick wall. My Grand Uncle William Boyd was born 1869 in Stockyard Hill, Victoria, Australia. His parents were James Boyd (1833-1903) and Sarah Kirk (1843-1882). He emigrated to New Zealand. I have no idea when, or where he went. I have checked the shipping records between Aus & NZ but there are THOUSANDS (OK maybe not thousands, but lots) of Williams. He had no other names to help narrow the search. Since I don't know a date or landing location I have no way to track him. He is mentioned in his elder brothers newspaper obit. in 1942 as "Brother... William, New Zealand", so he was still alive during the 2nd World War. So my appeal is to anyone who has connections in or information of Boyds in NZ who might shed some light on this missing relative. Steve Boyd Melton, Victoria, Australia

Thank you Debbie for those websites. I have added them to Chapter 1 of Clan Boyd of Scotland for people's future reference Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 8:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Naming Patterns From https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/help/traditional-scottish-naming-patterns?ds_kid=39700046638991796&gclid=CjwKCAiA27LvBRB0EiwAPc8XWdEL-NKJTTBwHDIygBMZNmug7ZFCi8TENFmpajbCC4YfeYeUI4qWqRoC9N4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds *The pattern generally went as follows:* - The first son was named after the father's father. - The second son after the mother's father. - The third son after the father. - The first daughter after the mother's mother. - The second daughter after the father's mother. - The third daughter after the mother. Scotland Names Personal Genealogy - FamilySearch Wiki https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Scotland_Names_Personal <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Scotland_Names_Personal> *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:* - First son usually named for the father's father. - Second son usually named for the mother's father. - Third son usually named for the father. - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother. More items... <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Names_Personal> • 7 Oct 2019 Ireland Names Personal Genealogy - FamilySearch Wiki https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Ireland_Names_Personal <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Names_Personal> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 22:23, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Good list > > I am just about to include these two "naming patterns" under that > sub-heading in my Chapter 1 - Background on clan Boyd - in Clan Boyd of > Scotland, Volume 1. > > However, do people need to have more than three children listed for > Scotland > and 5 children listed for Ireland? > > Debbie (and any others that post any other naming patterns) are you also > able to cite the title, author, edition, page number of these sources > please > so that I can also include that for people reference. > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, aust. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Rea > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 10:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name > > Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: > > *The pattern generally went as follows:* > > - The first son was named after the father's father. > - The second son after the mother's father. > - The third son after the father. > - The first daughter after the mother's mother. > - The second daughter after the father's mother. > - The third daughter after the mother. > > The Irish naming pattern is: > > *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the > later 19th century:* > > - First son usually named for the father's father > - Second son usually named for the mother's father > - Third son usually named for the father > - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother > - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother > - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother > - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother > - Third daughter usually named for the mother > - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister > - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. > > > Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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Mary Thank you for this information. I have just added it to Chapter 5/266 for future reference. Have any of our PA cousins (or could they) contacted Rev. Nina George-Hacker, to see if there is any additional history on George Boyd's family. If someone does contact Rev Nina, could you ask if the Church, would like any additional data on this family and send me her Email or the Email of the person to whom I should write to. Thank you Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Mary Helton Subject: [CLANBOYD] [EXTERNAL] Infomation on St John's Episcopal Church Compas, PA I went to this church's website and copied the following interesting facts about it: In 1729, Baron Stiegel, Catharine the Great and Edmund Burke were born. That same year, a house of worship — St. John’s Church, 1520 King’s Highway, in the village of Compass — was built. Originally a mission of the Church of England, it is now an independent Episcopal parish. ‘Complex history’ This small church, situated in Chester County just feet from the Lancaster County line, has a rich — and complex — history, said the Rev. Nina George-Hacker, rector of the parish. George Ross, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and uncle of the man who married Betsy Ross, rented a pew at the church. The Rev. Edward Buchanan, brother of future president James Buchanan, served as rector from 1835 to 1845 and oversaw the construction of the stone church that still stands. The Rev. Thomas Barton, rector at St. James Church in Lancaster from 1759 to 1778 became the missionary priest to St. John’s. Barton, who had come to America from England, was forced to leave when the Revolutionary War broke out. He died and is buried in New York. St. James Cemetery has a cenotaph - a marker within a cemetery placed in honor of a person whose remains are buried elsewhere - in his honor. As a church that predated the American Revolution, one can imagine the tension within the congregation when the war for independence commenced. The early church St. John’s existed before either the Episcopal Church or the United States of America. John Miller, who owned the Compass Inn, sold the ground for 5 shillings. Martha Bezellon, whose headstone is attached to a wall in the Fellowship Hall, provided the funds. A 20-by-22-foot log house of worship was built as a mission of the Church of England. Twenty-four years later, a stone church was built on the same site and completed in 1762. Contact: Rev. Nina George-Hacker Suzanne Turpin - Administrative Assistant (717) 442-4302 1520 West King's Highway Gap, PA 17527 _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

From https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/help/traditional-scottish-naming-patterns?ds_kid=39700046638991796&gclid=CjwKCAiA27LvBRB0EiwAPc8XWdEL-NKJTTBwHDIygBMZNmug7ZFCi8TENFmpajbCC4YfeYeUI4qWqRoC9N4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds *The pattern generally went as follows:* - The first son was named after the father's father. - The second son after the mother's father. - The third son after the father. - The first daughter after the mother's mother. - The second daughter after the father's mother. - The third daughter after the mother. Scotland Names Personal Genealogy - FamilySearch Wiki https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Scotland_Names_Personal <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Scotland_Names_Personal> *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:* - First son usually named for the father's father. - Second son usually named for the mother's father. - Third son usually named for the father. - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother. More items... <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Names_Personal> • 7 Oct 2019 Ireland Names Personal Genealogy - FamilySearch Wiki https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Ireland_Names_Personal <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Names_Personal> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 22:23, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Good list > > I am just about to include these two "naming patterns" under that > sub-heading in my Chapter 1 - Background on clan Boyd - in Clan Boyd of > Scotland, Volume 1. > > However, do people need to have more than three children listed for > Scotland > and 5 children listed for Ireland? > > Debbie (and any others that post any other naming patterns) are you also > able to cite the title, author, edition, page number of these sources > please > so that I can also include that for people reference. > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, aust. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Rea > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 10:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name > > Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: > > *The pattern generally went as follows:* > > - The first son was named after the father's father. > - The second son after the mother's father. > - The third son after the father. > - The first daughter after the mother's mother. > - The second daughter after the father's mother. > - The third daughter after the mother. > > The Irish naming pattern is: > > *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the > later 19th century:* > > - First son usually named for the father's father > - Second son usually named for the mother's father > - Third son usually named for the father > - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother > - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother > - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother > - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother > - Third daughter usually named for the mother > - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister > - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. > > > Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

Good list I am just about to include these two "naming patterns" under that sub-heading in my Chapter 1 - Background on clan Boyd - in Clan Boyd of Scotland, Volume 1. However, do people need to have more than three children listed for Scotland and 5 children listed for Ireland? Debbie (and any others that post any other naming patterns) are you also able to cite the title, author, edition, page number of these sources please so that I can also include that for people reference. Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust. -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 10:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: *The pattern generally went as follows:* - The first son was named after the father's father. - The second son after the mother's father. - The third son after the father. - The first daughter after the mother's mother. - The second daughter after the father's mother. - The third daughter after the mother. The Irish naming pattern is: *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:* - First son usually named for the father's father - Second son usually named for the mother's father - Third son usually named for the father - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother - Third daughter usually named for the mother - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. Debbie

Sorry folks, I hit send before I added Bob Boyd to the address list. Just to make sure that we all can get his advise on who to both select an DNA company, what test to undertake and to ensure all those Boyds that have done or will done an DNA test in the New Year become linked to his BOYD-DNA PROJECT. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 7:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Boyd DNA testing and comparing results Good morning all On 7 December 2019, John Boyd, had this included in his reply to the list. “@David, thank you for mentioning FTDNA. I've had a couple of others reach out to me about this Boyd FTDNA Y-DNA Project, and will definitely be ordering the Y-111 test before too long. I'm hoping to take advantage of the sales, but we'll see.” I have recently seen from FTDNA that they had a “sale” on DNA testing, but as I automatically deleted it, so, I am not sure if it has finished for this period or not. [Perhaps other can advise on this aspect.] However, being a Boyd of GOOD SCOTS STOCK, I am quite sure that “early” in the new year FTDNA will have another sale where you can get this done at a reduced price to that normally offered. And I also assume that other DNA companies will as well. So compare their prices and the level of testing required, etc However, I think that there are three types of DNA tests that can be done. From my vary limited knowledge of DNA, I would link that you need to get all three done, so that you can trace your male Boyd line back as far as it can go, but also to be able to find 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc cousins of the females in your family Branch. The other aspect that people may need to get advice on, is with which ever company you choose to undertake, what are the processes that will allow you to have your DNA compared with other Companies. I had one DNA test taken in 2011 at the home of the President of the House of Boyd Society – which I understood was with FTDNA – and I had an second test done at Bannockburn in 2014, which I understood that the University of Strathclyde was also doing through FTDNA, but at no time have I received any message that I had one perfect match. (This may have occurred, as I found out by accident earlier this year that any connections or results from my 2011 test were going to Mrs McLachlan Email Address and not to me.) And the second aspect, I assume that a number of male Boyds have got DNA testing done but have not joined the BOYD DNA Project. So, Bob Boyd, what do these people need to do, to have their DNA results included in the BOYD DNA PROJECT? And those male Boyds that have not yet undertaken an DNA test – when you do – please ensure also to link your results to Bob’s DNA PROJECT. Thank you for helping to build this knowledge about Clan Boyd members. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: John Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 1:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Good afternoon everyone, @David, thank you for mentioning FTDNA. I've had a couple of others reach out to me about this Boyd FTDNA Y-DNA Project, and will definitely be ordering the Y-111 test before too long. I'm hoping to take advantage of the sales, but we'll see. Thank you everyone, John Boyd

Good morning all On 7 December 2019, John Boyd, had this included in his reply to the list. “@David, thank you for mentioning FTDNA. I've had a couple of others reach out to me about this Boyd FTDNA Y-DNA Project, and will definitely be ordering the Y-111 test before too long. I'm hoping to take advantage of the sales, but we'll see.” I have recently seen from FTDNA that they had a “sale” on DNA testing, but as I automatically deleted it, so, I am not sure if it has finished for this period or not. [Perhaps other can advise on this aspect.] However, being a Boyd of GOOD SCOTS STOCK, I am quite sure that “early” in the new year FTDNA will have another sale where you can get this done at a reduced price to that normally offered. And I also assume that other DNA companies will as well. So compare their prices and the level of testing required, etc However, I think that there are three types of DNA tests that can be done. From my vary limited knowledge of DNA, I would link that you need to get all three done, so that you can trace your male Boyd line back as far as it can go, but also to be able to find 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc cousins of the females in your family Branch. The other aspect that people may need to get advice on, is with which ever company you choose to undertake, what are the processes that will allow you to have your DNA compared with other Companies. I had one DNA test taken in 2011 at the home of the President of the House of Boyd Society – which I understood was with FTDNA – and I had an second test done at Bannockburn in 2014, which I understood that the University of Strathclyde was also doing through FTDNA, but at no time have I received any message that I had one perfect match. (This may have occurred, as I found out by accident earlier this year that any connections or results from my 2011 test were going to Mrs McLachlan Email Address and not to me.) And the second aspect, I assume that a number of male Boyds have got DNA testing done but have not joined the BOYD DNA Project. So, Bob Boyd, what do these people need to do, to have their DNA results included in the BOYD DNA PROJECT? And those male Boyds that have not yet undertaken an DNA test – when you do – please ensure also to link your results to Bob’s DNA PROJECT. Thank you for helping to build this knowledge about Clan Boyd members. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: John Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 1:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Good afternoon everyone, @David, thank you for mentioning FTDNA. I've had a couple of others reach out to me about this Boyd FTDNA Y-DNA Project, and will definitely be ordering the Y-111 test before too long. I'm hoping to take advantage of the sales, but we'll see. Thank you everyone, John Boyd

Mike, Yes, I have a line through Coryell County Texas.  Yes, from Montgomery County, Alabama originally.  This line goes through Edmond Boyd in South Carolina where I've been stuck on his father; Robert Boyd (subject of other inquiries). My grandfather, William Roy Boyd, Sr., was born in Gatesville, Coryell County, Texas on 1 Mar 1884 (see attached family bible page scans, page 3).  William Roy Boyd's father is James W. Boyd (b. 1855, d. 1922; native of Texas).  James W. Boyd is the son of Captain Walter Boyd: When Walter O. Boyd was born on November 1, 1827, in Montgomery, Alabama, his father, Walter, was 30 and his mother, Letitia, was 27. He married Margaret E Moseley on August 19, 1848, in Texas. They had ten children in 30 years. He died on December 18, 1907, in Gilmer, Texas, having lived a long life of 80 years, and was buried there. All of this can be find on my public Ancestry Tree ("Boyd Vasconcellos").   Regards, Bill On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 11:35:57 AM PST, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: Good morning all It would appear that “several” of William Boyd and Rebecca Sellers children moved in the 1850’s to Coryell County, Texas. Are there any people on this list researching Boyd families from this County? And did or could these families come from Montgomery or Pike Counties in Alabama. Thank you for your assistance. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Methodists from an early date organized into Conferences. I have visited the archives for the Vermont/ New Hampshire meeting which later merged with some others to form the NorthEast Conference. At some point, each state had its own Superintendent (who was not a Bishop, but exercised many of the function). My sister’s Father in Law was Superintendant for the State of Maine for many years from the 1930’s to about 1960. Each individual state conference 150 years or more ago attempted to maintain its own Methodist Seminary (i.e. college). It is possible that Maine’s became the Bangor Theological Seminary. New Hampshire’s may have dissolved. Vermont had one from about 1800 at Newbury, VT, but it was later collapsed into Wesleyan University in Connecticut. Boston’s venture thrived as Boston University. New Jersey’s as Drew, and a number of others retain the Methodist connection in the name — Southern Methodist, Ohio Wesleyan for instance. The written archives are fairly good. Because the Vermont effort was lodged with Wesleyan University, the Vermont papers have been preserved I think at the Vermont Historical Society. > On Dec 8, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all > > > > John Boyd in his query about William Boyd born in 1772 in Brunswick County, NC, said that William was Methodist Circuit Riding Preacher. But did not say when he became one. > > > > I do not know, the history of the Methodist Church in the USA. Or in the UK for that matter as well > > > > Do any members know of any sources for the history of the Methodist Church in the USA? If so, can you post those to the list for the benefit of other members please? > > > > Secondly, would there or could there be histories of the Methodist Church in either Brunswick County, NC or in Montgomery Co., AL? That may assist John in his research of this family. > > > > I am aware of a Boyd family from SW County Donegal, whom were Methodist, but I think their conversion took place after 1800 in Ireland, so I do not know if that might help find the origins of William’s parents? But a knowledge the Methodist Church in Brunswick County, NC, have provide useful background to help John undertake his research. > > > > Thank for your assistance in helping John > > > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, Aust > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

David If he contacts you, you will get promoted to Chief Inspector - no questions!!! It is very good that others, feed of information provided by others on this list. Folks, post your brick walls and lets see if they can be broken down in time for Xmas, but 'OTHERS" adding to what is known, etc. And if David can make contact with this descendant of Colonel Andrew Boyd, the son of Rev Adam Boyd and Jane Craighead, and he has already done his DNA test, which will tell us if these two families are directly connected or not. And thus allow quite a bit of new research to be undertaken and FORCE QUITE A NUMBER OF EDITS TO TAKE PLACE, AS TO THE ORIGINS OF BOTH FAMILIES ON VARIOUS WEBSITE AND TREES. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 4:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Located male Boyd in Rev. Adam Boyd's line Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - son Col. Andrew Reed Boy I have reached out to a present-day Boyd that Colin Brooks and Mike led me to. Let's see whether he acknowledges. Thank you. David Boyd <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Good morning all It would appear that “several” of William Boyd and Rebecca Sellers children moved in the 1850’s to Coryell County, Texas. Are there any people on this list researching Boyd families from this County? And did or could these families come from Montgomery or Pike Counties in Alabama. Thank you for your assistance. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Good morning all In the last few days, John Boyd posted that his Boyd family of Montgomery Co., AL – which is next to Pike County, AL.- had thought it have come from Brunswick County, North Carolina. Are there any other people researching their Boyd family from Brunswick County, NC on this list? Brunswick County is on the coast and joins the South Carolina. From the website that John cited, it mentioned an “Ron Head” supplying information on this family, but no dates are given when he posted this information. In my two decades or more of being on the net, this name does not ring any bells for me. Perhaps others, have come across him and has his contact details for John. It will be interesting to see this Boyd family’s history develop in the future. With this County, being on coast, it “might be expected that family came directly from overseas – Ireland, Scotland or England? Thank you for your assistance Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - son Col. Andrew Reed Boy I have reached out to a present-day Boyd that Colin Brooks and Mike led me to. Let's see whether he acknowledges. Thank you. David Boyd <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]

Hi all John Boyd in his query about William Boyd born in 1772 in Brunswick County, NC, said that William was Methodist Circuit Riding Preacher. But did not say when he became one. I do not know, the history of the Methodist Church in the USA. Or in the UK for that matter as well Do any members know of any sources for the history of the Methodist Church in the USA? If so, can you post those to the list for the benefit of other members please? Secondly, would there or could there be histories of the Methodist Church in either Brunswick County, NC or in Montgomery Co., AL? That may assist John in his research of this family. I am aware of a Boyd family from SW County Donegal, whom were Methodist, but I think their conversion took place after 1800 in Ireland, so I do not know if that might help find the origins of William’s parents? But a knowledge the Methodist Church in Brunswick County, NC, have provide useful background to help John undertake his research. Thank for your assistance in helping John Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust

In the family letters written to Alexander Shields/ Agnes Young (1825-1850) similar names are distinguished by the farm name. These are all in Loudoun Parish. For instance, John Young of Meadowfoot is commonly referenced in the letters as Meadowfoot. There are at least three Andrew Youngs — Andrew Young Newintax, Andrew Young Hareshaw. There were so many William Youngs that all were marked in some way. The eldest of them had farmed for nearly 50 years at The Hill of Lanfine — it took much pondering of the letters to realize that his name was William Young at Hill, not William surnamed Hill. There were at one point more than five Youngs named Alexander. One who graduated Glasgow in medicine was normally referred to as Dr. Alexander. The Andersons of Loudoun Parish who moved to Glover, VT, used nicknames. There were at one point about five named James Anderson. The father was known as Mossend, from the name of the farm in Darvel he migrated from. His son was Skellyhill, the farm he had last occupied. Several others in the next generation were distinguished by occupation: Carpenter Jimmy, Cooper Jimmy. > On Dec 8, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: > > In our Shields who originated in Scotland everyone was called John or > Thomas or Elizabeth with no Sr, Jr, I, II, III or anything else! Very > confusing! > > Debbie > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019, 04:28 Colin Brooks, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The use of Jr. in colonial times in America referred to the younger person >> of the same name ie John Boyd. I have also seen III used for 3 John Boyds. >> No one used Sr. That is a genealogy term not seen until post 1776. >> Tombstones will have I, II, III as in the George Boyd of Chester, PA family >> we were just talking about. >> This is in reference to legal or "government" records. Family stories >> WILL include Sr. and Jr. but that's for clarity and written well after the >> people died. So consider the source and don't assume Jr. means a familial >> connection. HOWEVER, my research shows a clear pattern of first name >> repetition in Boyd families such that I can almost name a specific family >> just off the 1st name of the men. Women don't seem to have the same variety >> but unique mother to daughter names do pass down. >> >> Colin Brooks >> The 1718 Project >> [email protected] >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:48 PM Mary Helton via CLANBOYD < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 12/7/2019 11:56:48 AM Central Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> If I remember correctly sometimes, if there was a person with the same >>> name in a community, not related to each other necessarily (but could be >> as >>> in Uncle and Nephew) they were often called Sr and Jr to distinguish one >>> from the other. Anyone else heard this? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >> confirm the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

In our Shields who originated in Scotland everyone was called John or Thomas or Elizabeth with no Sr, Jr, I, II, III or anything else! Very confusing! Debbie On Sun, 8 Dec 2019, 04:28 Colin Brooks, <[email protected]> wrote: > The use of Jr. in colonial times in America referred to the younger person > of the same name ie John Boyd. I have also seen III used for 3 John Boyds. > No one used Sr. That is a genealogy term not seen until post 1776. > Tombstones will have I, II, III as in the George Boyd of Chester, PA family > we were just talking about. > This is in reference to legal or "government" records. Family stories > WILL include Sr. and Jr. but that's for clarity and written well after the > people died. So consider the source and don't assume Jr. means a familial > connection. HOWEVER, my research shows a clear pattern of first name > repetition in Boyd families such that I can almost name a specific family > just off the 1st name of the men. Women don't seem to have the same variety > but unique mother to daughter names do pass down. > > Colin Brooks > The 1718 Project > [email protected] > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:48 PM Mary Helton via CLANBOYD < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2019 11:56:48 AM Central Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > If I remember correctly sometimes, if there was a person with the same > > name in a community, not related to each other necessarily (but could be > as > > in Uncle and Nephew) they were often called Sr and Jr to distinguish one > > from the other. Anyone else heard this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

The use of Jr. in colonial times in America referred to the younger person of the same name ie John Boyd. I have also seen III used for 3 John Boyds. No one used Sr. That is a genealogy term not seen until post 1776. Tombstones will have I, II, III as in the George Boyd of Chester, PA family we were just talking about. This is in reference to legal or "government" records. Family stories WILL include Sr. and Jr. but that's for clarity and written well after the people died. So consider the source and don't assume Jr. means a familial connection. HOWEVER, my research shows a clear pattern of first name repetition in Boyd families such that I can almost name a specific family just off the 1st name of the men. Women don't seem to have the same variety but unique mother to daughter names do pass down. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected] On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:48 PM Mary Helton via CLANBOYD < [email protected]> wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/7/2019 11:56:48 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > If I remember correctly sometimes, if there was a person with the same > name in a community, not related to each other necessarily (but could be as > in Uncle and Nephew) they were often called Sr and Jr to distinguish one > from the other. Anyone else heard this? >

In a message dated 12/7/2019 11:56:48 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: If I remember correctly sometimes, if there was a person with the same name in a community, not related to each other necessarily (but could be as in Uncle and Nephew) they were often called Sr and Jr to distinguish one from the other. Anyone else heard this? Quaker naming patterns: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/357299/curious-know-how-quakers-started-using-biblical-first-names#:~:targetText=Quakers%20usually%20followed%20a%20naming,pattern%20sometimes%20varied%20by%20order. Colonial naming patterns:https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/walker/29775/ This book can also be very helpful in researching naming patterns:Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer

The Head of the Boyd Households listed in NC in the 1790 Census BOYD,Meriam NC Co:Chowan Twp:Unknown BOYD,William NC Co:Pasquotank Twp:Unknown BOYD,Roger NC Co:Pasquotank Twp:Unknown BOYD,Sarah NC Co:Cumberland Twp:Unknown BOYD,Frances NC Co:Moore Twp:Unknown BOYD,James NC Co:Robeson Twp:Unknown BOYD,John NC Co:Halifax Twp:Unknown BOYD,James NC Co:Nash Twp:Unknown BOYD,Joshua NC Co:Warren Twp:Unknown BOYD,Joshua NC Co:Caswell Twp:Unknown BOYD,John NC Co:Chatham Twp:Unknown BOYD,George NC Co:Chatham Twp:Unknown BOYD,John NC Co:Lincoln Twp:Unknown BOYD,William NC Co:Lincoln Twp:Unknown BOYD,William NC Co:Wilkes Twp:Unknown BOYD,Robert NC Co:Wilkes Twp:Unknown BOYD,Robert Jr NC Co:Wilkes Twp:Unknown BOYD,Thomas NC Co:Wilkes Twp:Unknown BOYD,William NC Co:Craven Twp:Unknown BOYD,Coleman NC Co:Jones Twp:Unknown BOYD,Josiah NC Co:Wayne Twp:Unknown BOYD,James NC Co:Guilford Twp:Unknown BOYD,Robert NC Co:Iredell Twp:Unknown BOYD,John NC Co:Montgomery Twp:Unknown BOYD,Samuel NC Co:Montgomery Twp:Unknown from Ch 5/266 – S4/T1! BOYD,Andrew NC Co:Rockingham Twp:Unknown BOYD,William NC Co:Rockingham Twp:Unknown BOYD,Phenehas NC Co:Stokes Twp:Unknown BOID,William NC Co:Randolph Twp:Unknown BOYDE,William NC Co:Beaufort Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Thomas NC Co:Beaufort Twp:Unknown BOYDE,William Esqr NC Co:Beaufort Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Thomas NC Co:Beaufort Twp:Unknown BOYDE,William NC Co:Beaufort Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Applum NC Co:Dobbs Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Robert Sr NC Co:Pitt Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Isaac NC Co:Pitt Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Joseph Sr NC Co:Pitt Twp:Unknown BOYDE,William NC Co:Pitt Twp:Unknown BOYDE,Robert Jr NC Co:Pitt Twp:Unknown And if we follow the naming pattern, for the children listed in the website that John Boyd cited, where the first son is listed as William Boyd, this would suggest that William Boyd, born in 1772, own father MIGHT HAVE ALSO BEEN A “WILLIAM BOYD” I count ten William Boyd’s listed hear. Can anyone “identify” any of these William Boyd, that we can help John to remove them from his list of possible fathers? Thank you for your assistance Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Good morning list John, you mentioned that your William Boyd, born about 1772 and from the website you cited came from Brunswick County, NC. This give us a good starting point to work with. Brunswick County, NC was formed in 1764 from New Hanover and Bladen Counties. Brunswick County is on the coast and joins the South Carolina border. This location would suggest, that he has arrived by ship. But it is hard to say if he came from another US Colony or from Ireland, Scotland or England. I have just looked at the 1790 US Census, listing for North Carolina, but there are no entries for any of these three Counties. (I will post that list separately to the list.) And if we are working on the naming pattern, as William’s first son was called William Boyd, there are nine William Boyd’s listed in other Counties that might be his father. Hear, I am assuming, that at 18 years old – your William Boyd, would have still been living with his father. You have not said where you live, but I would ask your local Library or your County Library to see if there are any County histories for both Brunswick Co., NC and for Montgomery Co., AL., to see if they can’t get a loan of those histories for you to go through, to see if you can find more data on this family. I think I saw mention of Pike County, Alabama. That is a County that Boyds moved to, so your William Boyd, “might be” a part of those Boyd migration, and he moved a little further west than the rest of the family. You will also need to look at the 1800, 1810 and 1820 Census for Brunswick County, NC to see what it tells you about this William Boyd and his family structure, plus the 1830, 1840 and 1850 Census for Montgomery County, AL. And it would appear that some of the sons would have had their own household in these later Census, so make a list of those other Boyds in Montgomery County and where they live in relationship to your William Boyd. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: John Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 1:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Good afternoon everyone, @Mike, thank you for reaching out. You've given me a lot to consider, and I'm going to be frank with you, I may not have a lot to offer as far as answers. I'm not a member of any sites that would offer documents, so anything behind a paywall (such as birth and death certificates, wills and testaments, etc) aren't something I have access to. I do not know the location in NC. All the resources I've found, such as https://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/getperson.php?personID=I13727&tree=mykindred01, just say North Carolina. What I can say is that the aforementioned link does mention William Boyd moved to Montgomery, AL from Brunswick County (city unknown) circa 1821. It also appears he married Rebecca Sellers in Brunswick County, NC as well. Thank you everyone, John Boyd