Merry Christmas and Happiest of New Years for all my Boyd Cousins. David F Boyd-Ellis-Hall > On Dec 24, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Melanie Gustin <[email protected]> wrote: > > Merry Christmas, Mike. May you and your widespread family stay safe. > Melanie > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 7:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Merry Christmas > > Good morning all > > > > I wish all my friends on this list a Merry Christmas and good hunting in 2020 with your family tree work. > > > > During my trip to the USA in June, I was able to find more Boyd families. But I still have not had time to sort all that information out yet. I now have some 1000 Boyd family Chapters in the Clan Boyd Pyramid plus another 7,000 Boyd families that I have yet to process. And we have not yet even scratched the surface of descendants of Clan Boyd and its descendants. > > > > On Xmas day, I will be having to drive 10 miles to have breakfast with six grandchildren; then drive an hour in the opposite direction to have lunch with three more grandchildren and after that drive another hour to get to my daughters two grandchildren for dinner. So, no jeer until after dinner, as I will be on the road for about 3 hours during the day, if the fires do not stop from getting there. In New South Wales, they have declared their second week of Fire Emergency and advising people to be careful about driving to visit family during this next week. > > > > Enjoy your family wherever you are in the World. And I will look forward to corresponding with some of you directly in the New Year, or seeing your wisdom on the net to others that we all can learn from. > > > > Have an enjoyable Christmas. > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Merry Christmas, Mike. May you and your widespread family stay safe. Melanie -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 7:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Merry Christmas Good morning all I wish all my friends on this list a Merry Christmas and good hunting in 2020 with your family tree work. During my trip to the USA in June, I was able to find more Boyd families. But I still have not had time to sort all that information out yet. I now have some 1000 Boyd family Chapters in the Clan Boyd Pyramid plus another 7,000 Boyd families that I have yet to process. And we have not yet even scratched the surface of descendants of Clan Boyd and its descendants. On Xmas day, I will be having to drive 10 miles to have breakfast with six grandchildren; then drive an hour in the opposite direction to have lunch with three more grandchildren and after that drive another hour to get to my daughters two grandchildren for dinner. So, no jeer until after dinner, as I will be on the road for about 3 hours during the day, if the fires do not stop from getting there. In New South Wales, they have declared their second week of Fire Emergency and advising people to be careful about driving to visit family during this next week. Enjoy your family wherever you are in the World. And I will look forward to corresponding with some of you directly in the New Year, or seeing your wisdom on the net to others that we all can learn from. Have an enjoyable Christmas. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Australia _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Terry welcome to the net list. What sources have you looked at? And in 1851, did he come to WA or to one of the eastern states? And as he was aged 24 years old, did he come with any other family members? As you say he arrived in 1851, that sounds like he came into Victoria for the Gold rush. so you may need to look at passenger list for Melbourne, Geelong or even Portland in Victoria. I can see that his parents are listed as James Boyd and Jane. Holborn is between Trafalgar Square and St Pauls and I could see at least three other Boyd families in the 1820's there and they seem to go back to the 1750's. There are a number of Boyd families in London going back to 1604 or earlier. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Terry Boyd Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Boyd's in Western Australia My Name is Terence Stanley Boyd (born 1st May 1946) and I live in Western Australia, my Great Grandfather (James Balinger Boyd) came to Australia in about 1851 I have traced my family since then but he was born in Holborn in London in 1827. Can any of the Boyd Clan help me with his arrival in Australia as I cannot find his arrival date. Terry Boyd

My Name is Terence Stanley Boyd (born 1st May 1946) and I live in Western Australia, my Great Grandfather (James Balinger Boyd) came to Australia in about 1851 I have traced my family since then but he was born in Holborn in London in 1827. Can any of the Boyd Clan help me with his arrival in Australia as I cannot find his arrival date. Terry Boyd

Hi all John Boyd of Carrickfergus, later removed to Chester. The outline of this family comes from Burke’s Distinguished Families of America, The Lineages of 1600 Families of British Origins now resident in the United States of America, [no date], p 2573. Dr John Boyd, whom came to Carrickfergus in 1650 form Scotland, was said to have an younger son John Boyd, which Burke’s outline as – “The younger son, John Boyd, of Carrickfergus removed to Chester, m 1st Miss Dicksen, and by her had issue, town sons, 1. Archibald, of whom presently. 2. Robert. He m., 2ndly, Matilda, dau of Captain Dodson, R. M. A., and had further issue, 1. Janney, m., 2ndly M I Sparkes” Unfortunately, this tree does not provide either dates or locations. We are told that Archibald was born in 1726, suggesting that his father married Miss Dicksen in about 1718 or 1719, but I have not been able to find any marriage entry or birth entry for this John Boyd. One website suggested he was born in 1700. But that leaves a 50-year gap between when his father, Dr John Boyd, arrived in Carrickfergus, and this John Boyd’s birth. (Suggesting to me there could be at least one generation missing form this tree.) And the IGI for the UK, does not have any entries for Carrickfergus prior to 1700. When it says that this John Boyd “removed to Chester”, I am assuming they mean Chester (town), in Cheshire, England. Again, this family does not seem to appear in the IGI for the UK. From the map this would appear to be a port that appears to be well inland, but I have no idea why this family choose this part of England to migrate to. Hopefully, some of the Boyds of England, can do some research at Chester to see what might be found on this family. As you can see this John Boyd married a second time to Matilda Dodson, but there is no data to indicate when and where this took place. And it also seems strange that they had only one child – “Janney Boyd”. She has married twice herself but the first husband in not listed and the name of her second husband seems to be Mr Sparkes, but very little data to be able to trace their family. If you descend from the second son Robert Boyd (or any other children), we would like to hear from you please about your connections to this family. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

I have hardback copies of both: The Boyds of Boyds Tank, by Frank Ewell Boyd & William Taylor Boyd. (1970). 107 p. 71-126643 MARC. Captives' Mansion by S. R.. Slaymaker II, published in 1973. [title given by Brenda Cornelius, # 5 researchers list] The Boyds of Boyds Tank is crammed full with Boyd connections and family. The Slaymaker Book describes itself as "An American family chronicle covering nine generations and 200 years in a Pennsylvania rural manor". It mentions the Boyds but it's only to support the main theme. I smiled at: "In early years Amos [Slaymaker] would have kept clear of James Boyd's affairs. Boyd's designs were so transparently dishonest that eventually detection and legal retribution were foregone conclusions. But by 1811 Amos must have felt confident to make right any situation and to profit from it as well" Does, any list members know if the Lancaster County Historical Society actually does house these “Slaymaker Papers”? I am told yes - 5 or so boxes of them but not all to do with the Boyds. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 13 December 2019 03:01 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Known books on hte familyof Geroge and Isabella Boyd o Compass, PA - ch 5/266 Good morning all I recent weeks, there have been a number of queries concerning the family of George and Isabella Boyd of Compass, PA. I do not have an full list of publications on this family only these two 1. The Boyds of Boyds Tank, by Frank Ewell Boyd & William Taylor Boyd. (1970). 107 p. 71-126643 MARC. [This can be purchased from Mrs E. Boyd, 291 Chewacia Drive, Auburn GA 36830 for $US 6.50 - as advised by Raymond Ryan] (As I was given this advice about 25 years ago, I would very much doubt that Mrs Boyd is still alive today, but some relative me still live at this address?) 2. Captives' Mansion by S. R.. Slaymaker II, published in 1973. [title given by Brenda Cornelius, # 5 researchers list] I assume that the Boyd “Captive’ Mansion”, is different from the “Slaymaker Papers” that many people talk about. It is my “understanding, that these “Slaymaker Papers” at held at the Lancaster County Historical Society in Pennsylvania. I was taken to this Society in 2010, but we did not look at those Papers, but at other Boyd families, that they had. Does, any list members know if the Lancaster County Historical Society actually does house these “Slaymaker Papers”? And has anyone “researched” these papers? And is there further work that need to be done with these Papers? 3. While I was at the New England Historical and Genealogical Society, Boston, MA in 2016, doing research as the Chairman of the Historical Committee of the House of Boyd Society, I was given pages 132, 139, 192-193, 198 and 209, of a book that seems to be titled “Boyd Family” – I was not given the title page. If my memory is now correct after three and a quarter-years, this work was done by Gary Boyd Roberts, whom can be reached C/- of NEHGS, in Boston, MA. And he is descendant of this family of George and Isabella Boyd of Compass, PA, but I am not quite sure which of the five brothers he descends from. Nor am I sure of when this publication was written, to know if its data is dated or not. Or how widely this publication was circulated. So, it may mean those wishing to determine how much is already known, may need to contact the NEHGS to see if this book is available or can be copied. 4. Amongst the additional papers I was given by the NEHGS staff, was letter of 3 January 1965 from Mary Canada of Durham, NC – who was also a descendant of this family. [She is new to me.] She starts that her goal is to get something written up for the “Virginia Genealogist”. I know that I have not come across this source in the last 10 years of doing trips to the USA. So, it may be worth some of our Virginia cousins seeing, if after 1965, if she had written any articles for this “Journal”? 5. Mrs Mary Canada, in her 1965 letter to Gary Boyd Roberts, also mentioned Lancaster County Historical Society – “Papers”, xxi, No 10, 1917, page 160 and Vol. Xiii, No 6, June 4, 1909 page 135. So, this Journal, may also need to be searched for any other references to the George and Isabella Boyd’s family or their Family in Halifax County, Virginia or Granville County, North Carolina. 6. Mrs Mary Canada in her 1965 letter mentioned Margaret Jamieson (Mrs C. M) of Marks, Mississippi. (And she has a whole contingent working with her.) I have not heard of Mrs Margaret Jamieson of MS before and I am unaware if she has written anything up on her own research of this family of George and Isabella Boyd of Compass, PA. 7. Since I became Chairman of the Historical Committee in April 2002, I been sent from time to time, some of the writings of Walter Boyd of NC. But I am not yet aware if also has or has not written any book on his research. 8. While it is known that a number of members of this family were in the War of Independence and some are listed in the 1990 DAR Patriot Index, and therefore assume that there is some DAR data on various members of this family, but I can’t cite any DAR reference to them. Are list members aware of any other books, publications, articles on this family that I can add to the bottom of Family Chapter 5/266? Thank you for your assistance. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. (Folder 16A #7B) _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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Hello Mike, I looked up the book you mentioned and there is indeed a Volume 2. You have to keep in mind that in the UK the general interest in a certain county in Kentucky and book published 25 years ago is not one of the hottest books to read. I live in a small town and with a small library to match. I looked online but would need to arrange shipping to the UK. I would need to know that it would help me move forward before jumping in. There are several other books that may also help and it's not clear why this would be a good bet for me.. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 12 December 2019 21:30 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Book about George and Isabella Boyd's family David When I was at the Library in Covington, Kenton Co., KY, they pulled out a list of the County Histories they had by the "Turner Publishing Co., Paducah, KY." It seems that their Christian County, KY book was on that list. It was titled - "Family histories: Christian County, Kentucky," Publisher Turner Publishing co, 1986, ISBN 093802101X (v.1) I assume that the "(v 1)" means that there were only one Volume. However, they did not have any history for Trigg County, KY or for Stewart County, TN, at Covington, KY, where it is known other parts of this family of George and Isabella also settled. So it may also be worth asking your Library, if they have those histories as well, as that will. While others (or yourself), maybe able to list other Counties in both KY and TN and later in Missouri, where this family migrated to to see if other Turner Publishing Company publications on those Counties have been produced or not. In the 1880's, another series of County histories were produced. So, your Vol. 2 may refer to that series? Or there could be other County histories done to make the 200th Anniversary, but other people. But, as in all cases use your local Library to see what they can find for you for both the Turner Publishing Co, and any other County History. [And if they can't get it for you by an Inter-Library Loan - I am sure that one of the members of this list will live near an Library that will have that book you are after and be able to tell you what sections of the book you need to copy, etc. Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust. -----Original Message----- From: Work Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Book about George and Isabella Boyd's family Mary, could you tell me if the book is known as Vol 2 ? I’d like to find a copy. David Boyd-Hall > On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Mary Helton via CLANBOYD > <[email protected]> wrote: > > List:Mike Boyd stated the following- > "It has been assumed that the four sons of George and Isabella Boyd of > Compass, PA came to Boyd’s Ferry – now South Boston – Dan River, in > Halifax County in the 1740’s. I am not sure if anyone has the year of > this migration or if all four brothers came together or if some may > have followed one of them down to Halifax County." > > I have a Family History Book of Christian County Kentucky (1991) that > talks about this family and I will post here what it says. > Boyd Family > > Blessings,Mary Helton-Lasser > _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Mike, All five at the Old Airth Parish Church: George Baptism 1660, George Marriage 1686, John Baptism 1687, George Baptism 1691 and James Baptism 1694. The link you provide is just a transcription - spreading the wrong interpretation that it was Robert Boyd rather than George Boyd who married Elisabeth Johnston. Wester Jaw is on the opposite diagonal across Falkirk to Airth - similar distance away. Just over 10 miles by car. Clackmammanshire is the other side of the River Forth to Airth. It's a small county so perhaps a few small counties are lumped into one for Church records (guess). On there being a second Elizabeth Johnston - let's see the Church record. We seem to be getting hung up on one person's transcription error in IGI / LDS which is permeated as others blindly copy. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 21 December 2019 00:04 To: David Boyd <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire David only one out of five!!! The marriage in 1686 at Airth, Stirlingshire - can you provide the name of the Church please so I can include that in Chapter 5/266 and cite the source. Years ago, I have assumed that the brother James Boyd, born 1687, was the third son, but I will now have to make him the first child on that marriage data There is an website form wikitree www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 That I have been tying to get time to research and reply to. This run by four people - 2 private and Carol Miller and Bill Boyd (not any of the several that I know of). Does anyone have contact with these two people. In this it says "Elizabeth Jannet Boyd formerly Johnston born 1665 in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland Daughter of James Johnston and Katherine (Stuart) Johnston [siblings unknown] Wife of Robert Boyd - married 5 Oct 1685 in Wester Jaw Falkirk, Clackmamman, Scotland Mother of George Boyd, Sr., James Boyd, William Boyd, Robert Boyd, Jr. and John Boyd. Died 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester Co., PA" Oh, a thought just occurred to me. Could there be TWO ELIZABETH JANNET JOHNSTONS, one married a Robert Boyd and a Second marriage the above George Boyd I have not heard of the Wester Jaw Church in Falkirk. I have only visited Falkirk, STIRLINGSHIRE twice, but I was not looking for Churches. Nor am I aware of any Falkirk in Clakmannan!! 1) This John Boyd, was born about 17005 - 1750; when your John Boyd was born in 1687; And his wife is given as Anne Lettice and not Mary Stewart. (I have not yet followed this family down to the next generations but I suspect it will shoe it is i the PA and not in London.) 2) Robert Boyd, Jr. has that he was born 1697 - 1754, and married Alice Henderson; I have the family of Boyd of Sadsbury, Chester County, PA as - Q1 Robert Boyd, b 1678 ( ), d 1743 ( ), bu , m 170x ( , ), wife not given, dau of and , b 16xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:-B-1 [Lived: ] R1 James Boyd, bc 1703 ( ), d 1764 ( ), bu , m 172x ( , ), Jane/Janett Henderson, dau of and (nee ) Henderson, b 17xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), and had issue:-B-1-1 [Lived: ] (At this time I am not quite sure if Carol Miller, etc have confused James Boyd's wife as Robert Boyd's wife) I "understand" - I think that I am correct, that this is the family that are a few rows away from Rev Adam Boyd's family of Upper Octorara, in Parkesburg, PA - and this family were Presbyterian's and not Church of England, as George and Isabella Boyd's family At St Johns. At this period, you would not expect brothers to be of different religions. Especially just after the Killing Times. [I also notice that other IT tree have this Robert Boyd (1678 - 1743) as the FATHER OF George Boyd, when he was only 13 years older, and this Robert Boyd as the son of the Rev Adam Boyd II. (Square pegs in round holds comes to mind.) 3) William Boyd born 1696 - 1706, I think the location was in County Antrim, but the mother is given as having died in 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester County, PA. So that does not look right!!! 4.) James Boyd born 1695 - d 1764; this does not fit the IGI data and I think the Church Data that David Boyd of Oxfordshire has sent me At this time, I would ASSUME THAT SONS, JAMES, ROBERT AND JOHN, are not the brothers of George Boyd (1691 -1731), but COULD BE, the sons of an Elizabeth Jennet Johnston and a ROBERT BOYD and not the sons of Elizabeth Johnston and GEORGE BOYD. If anyone is in contact with Carol Miller and Bill Boyd form this Wikitree Boyd family, COULD YOU ASK THEM TO CONTACT ME PLEASE!!! Is any member of this list on the Stirlingshire Net list at rootsweb.com? If so, could you post this message to that net list please and also let this list know. I suspect that there is still quite a bit of work to be done to correct quite a number of IT BOYD trees that are out there. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 5:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire Hello Mike, Taking your questions: QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? I have an image of the Church record for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston --- 4th June 1686 at Airth in Scotland. James Logan and John Logan are listed and look like names of the officials who carried out the marriage. Record is crystal clear and very brief. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) I have only located two other Boyds in the 1685-1700 period at Airth. Fathers were John & Malcolm. QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? I'd like to think so in Ireland. I have yet to find any Irish records that can help. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Didn't find any. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? I haven't (Did I pass the test, Mike?) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 06:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire

Hi all In the book Burke’s Distinguished Families of America, The Lineages of 1600 Families of British Origins now resident in the United States of America, [no date], p 2573, it tells us - “John Boyd, Surgeon, b. in Scotland and emigrated to Ireland in 1650, settling in Carrickfergus. He had issue,” Unfortunately, this outline does not tell us very much about where in Scotland this John Boyd came from. I can assume that him being an Surgeon, would mean that he is not the eldest son in his family. In 1650, Carrickfergus, would have been the main port for SE part of County Antrim, before Belfast was developed. I am not sure, if he may show up in any of the County Antrim records, after this period. It would appear from the outline of the family, that he and his family lived in Carrickfergus for over 50 years or more – as his son, John Boyd, is termed “of Carrickfergus”. But sources say he was born in 1700, which seems a very big gap between him and his father. It would suggest to me that that there is at least one generation missing or someone in the 1700’s has started this Boyd family in the wrong place. In 1650, was during the period of the Commonwealth under Oliver Cromwell. So, did he come to Ireland as part of Cromwell’s Forces? Or did he flee Scotland due to Cromwell’s Forces? And there are more questions about this 1650 migration that could be asked about this migration. This tree only list two sons, Robert Boyd, the Lieut.-Governor of Gibraltar (which is not true) and John Boyd. [I will do a separate article on both off these.] This seems a small family for this period. (In the New Year, I will write to the Carrickfergus Library to see if they can provide any other data on this Dr John Boyd and his family.) It will also depend on when this John Boyd graduated in Medicine from either Glasgow or Edinburgh Universities and how much experience he had before he came to Carrickfergus in 1650. So his age could go form 1630 to even as early as 1610. Thank you for your assistance inbuilding this family further. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust

David only one out of five!!! The marriage in 1686 at Airth, Stirlingshire - can you provide the name of the Church please so I can include that in Chapter 5/266 and cite the source. Years ago, I have assumed that the brother James Boyd, born 1687, was the third son, but I will now have to make him the first child on that marriage data There is an website form wikitree www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-5911 That I have been tying to get time to research and reply to. This run by four people - 2 private and Carol Miller and Bill Boyd (not any of the several that I know of). Does anyone have contact with these two people. In this it says "Elizabeth Jannet Boyd formerly Johnston born 1665 in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland Daughter of James Johnston and Katherine (Stuart) Johnston [siblings unknown] Wife of Robert Boyd - married 5 Oct 1685 in Wester Jaw Falkirk, Clackmamman, Scotland Mother of George Boyd, Sr., James Boyd, William Boyd, Robert Boyd, Jr. and John Boyd. Died 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester Co., PA" Oh, a thought just occurred to me. Could there be TWO ELIZABETH JANNET JOHNSTONS, one married a Robert Boyd and a Second marriage the above George Boyd I have not heard of the Wester Jaw Church in Falkirk. I have only visited Falkirk, STIRLINGSHIRE twice, but I was not looking for Churches. Nor am I aware of any Falkirk in Clakmannan!! 1) This John Boyd, was born about 17005 - 1750; when your John Boyd was born in 1687; And his wife is given as Anne Lettice and not Mary Stewart. (I have not yet followed this family down to the next generations but I suspect it will shoe it is i the PA and not in London.) 2) Robert Boyd, Jr. has that he was born 1697 - 1754, and married Alice Henderson; I have the family of Boyd of Sadsbury, Chester County, PA as - Q1 Robert Boyd, b 1678 ( ), d 1743 ( ), bu , m 170x ( , ), wife not given, dau of and , b 16xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:-B-1 [Lived: ] R1 James Boyd, bc 1703 ( ), d 1764 ( ), bu , m 172x ( , ), Jane/Janett Henderson, dau of and (nee ) Henderson, b 17xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), and had issue:-B-1-1 [Lived: ] (At this time I am not quite sure if Carol Miller, etc have confused James Boyd's wife as Robert Boyd's wife) I "understand" - I think that I am correct, that this is the family that are a few rows away from Rev Adam Boyd's family of Upper Octorara, in Parkesburg, PA - and this family were Presbyterian's and not Church of England, as George and Isabella Boyd's family At St Johns. At this period, you would not expect brothers to be of different religions. Especially just after the Killing Times. [I also notice that other IT tree have this Robert Boyd (1678 - 1743) as the FATHER OF George Boyd, when he was only 13 years older, and this Robert Boyd as the son of the Rev Adam Boyd II. (Square pegs in round holds comes to mind.) 3) William Boyd born 1696 - 1706, I think the location was in County Antrim, but the mother is given as having died in 1705 in Sadsbury, Chester County, PA. So that does not look right!!! 4.) James Boyd born 1695 - d 1764; this does not fit the IGI data and I think the Church Data that David Boyd of Oxfordshire has sent me At this time, I would ASSUME THAT SONS, JAMES, ROBERT AND JOHN, are not the brothers of George Boyd (1691 -1731), but COULD BE, the sons of an Elizabeth Jennet Johnston and a ROBERT BOYD and not the sons of Elizabeth Johnston and GEORGE BOYD. If anyone is in contact with Carol Miller and Bill Boyd form this Wikitree Boyd family, COULD YOU ASK THEM TO CONTACT ME PLEASE!!! Is any member of this list on the Stirlingshire Net list at rootsweb.com? If so, could you post this message to that net list please and also let this list know. I suspect that there is still quite a bit of work to be done to correct quite a number of IT BOYD trees that are out there. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 5:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire Hello Mike, Taking your questions: QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? I have an image of the Church record for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston --- 4th June 1686 at Airth in Scotland. James Logan and John Logan are listed and look like names of the officials who carried out the marriage. Record is crystal clear and very brief. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) I have only located two other Boyds in the 1685-1700 period at Airth. Fathers were John & Malcolm. QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? I'd like to think so in Ireland. I have yet to find any Irish records that can help. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Didn't find any. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? I haven't (Did I pass the test, Mike?) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 06:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire

Hello Mike, Taking your questions: QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? I have an image of the Church record for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston --- 4th June 1686 at Airth in Scotland. James Logan and John Logan are listed and look like names of the officials who carried out the marriage. Record is crystal clear and very brief. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) I have only located two other Boyds in the 1685-1700 period at Airth. Fathers were John & Malcolm. QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? I'd like to think so in Ireland. I have yet to find any Irish records that can help. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Didn't find any. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? I haven't (Did I pass the test, Mike?) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 06:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire The Children of George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston of Airth, Stirlingshire I then looked to see if I could see a marriage and there was no marriage in the 1994 IGI for the UK for a George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnstoun between 1672 and 1691. However I did find a possible birth for THE George who married Elizabeth as follows:- George BOYD (M).............. B: Abt 1661 B: 8 Jun 1936 LOGAN F#: 177927 @ Spouse: Elizabeth JOHNSTON of Parish of Airth, Stirling, E: Pre-1970 P#: 70 Scotland SP: Pre-1970 O#: 2720 If the above George is George Boyd (R5 see below) father, you might expect that he was married in the early 1680's and this would, I would estimate, place George as the 4th or 5th child. By using the ISYS program on the 1994 IGI for the UK I was only able to find one other child born to this George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnstoun/Johnston which was a son - a James Boyd born possibly in late 1693 at Airth. His details are below:- John BOYD (M).............. C: 25 Feb 1687 B: 14 Jun 1990 ARIZO Ba: C114692 Father: George BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 22 Feb 1991 ARIZO So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elspet JOHNSTON SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO George BOYD (M)........... C: 17 May 1692 B: 17 Apr 1974 SLAKE Ba: 7331611 84 Father: Georg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 6 Jun 1974 SLAKE So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 20 Aug 1974 SLAKE James BOYD (M)............. C: 3 Jan 1694 B: 11 Oct 1887 Ba: 7331612 6 Father: Gorg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 28 Feb 1945 ALBER So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTON SP: 5 Mar 1946 SLAKE If it is accepted that George was born in Airth, Stirlingshire instead of Co. Antrim then George's parents MIGHT be - Q1 George Boyd, bc 1661 (Parish of Airth, Stirlingshire), d / /17xx ( , Ireland?), bu , mc 168x (Anglican Church, Airth?), Elizabeth Johnston, dau of and (nee ) Johnston, b / /166x ( ), d / /17xx ( , Ireland?), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] R3? John Boyd, b / /1687 (Airth) R5? George Boyd, b / /1691 (Airth), R6? James Boyd, b / /1693 (Airth) QUESTION ONE – has anyone found the date and location of marriage got George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston? If we accept that this George Boyd was born in 1661, it could mean that he married between 1681 to 1686. So, determining when they married may help us to work out if John Boyd, born in 1687 is their first child or the second, third or fourth (unlikely to have that may born in this 5-year window) children. QUESTION TWO – with a four-year gap between the Baptisms of John Boyd and George Boyd, it may indicate that a fourth child was born in this period. (However, as I only have the 1994 IGI copied down to Margaret Boyd, there could be a child listed in the second half born to them.) QUESTION THREE – where there more children than just the above three born to this couple? In the IGI it provides one Church record and two private trees, that these three are of the same family. Not a high degree of confidence. I am aware that in some of the IT trees that I have seen online or in websites, but which I now can’t put my hands on, I think that I have seen about six children listed. But I can’t recall the names, sex or dates of these births. David Boyd of Oxfordshire, England, tell us his DNA test results match those of a descendant of George Boyd of Compass, PA. And I think that noticed a few days ago, when Bob Boyd, posted the DNA results, that at least two people had the starting point as a George Boyd born in 1661. So, I am not quite sure if one of these is David of Oxfordshire, or a third party who is also researching this same Boyd family from Airth. QUESTION FOUR – where there any daughters born to this couple and did those families stay in the Airth area of Stirlingshire? Now might also be a good time to ask the list if any members belong to the Stirlingshire at ROOTSWEB.COM net list. If so, feel free to post these articles on this family to that net lit. I have a list of over 30 people researching this family, so is there one of that number that could also join this Stirlingshire net list at rootsweb.com There are “quite” a number of other Boyd families in Airth in the 1600’s, plus a number from Stirling (City) itself, and I think several other places as well in this County. QUESTION FIVE – has anyone consulted Clan Johnston over this marriage? Or the Johnston named rootsweb.com net list? If I recall, the Johnston Clan came from between Lockerbie and Moffat and east of the M74, but I am not quite sure how far East they went. They were a Border Clan. But they could also have had an Estate near Airth, as well. As far as I know, no one has yet provided any advice from the Johnston side of this family. So that may also be explored. And as Boyd families had Estates in Dumfriesshire from before 1450, it may mean that both this Boyd family and the Johnston family moved to the Airth area, for yet an unknown reason, prior to 1670. And this Boyd family maybe linked to Boyds form this Border part of Scotland. Please discuss, my questions!! Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Mike, Just catching up with the backlog of e-mails. I have an image of the Church record. George Boyd, Bptzd. 31 May 1691. Quote (or how it looks): Sabbath the last of May 1691 The ??? day George Boyd son lawful (damage) And Elizabeth Johnston now baptized by Ron Whyt To know who the father was you need to look at the sibling other baptisms, John 1687 & James 1694. Also look at the Boyd who married a Elizabeth (or Elspet) Johnston. It was a George and not as many have wrongly written as Robert. I have yet to see any Antrim records for this period. Antrim is probably cited because they did come from Ireland to the US but they were Scots. I have seen claimed that parents George died in 1712 and Elizabeth in 1705, but no evidence. George the baby we are discussing died in 1731 in Compass PA. The tombstone is in find-a-grave. These are Haplogroup A Boyds. We are up against the issue with anyone can post on Ancestry or FamilySearch. Some is reliable and some needs deeper analysis. Thank you. David Boyd <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 10 December 2019 04:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] The place of birth of George Boyd of Compass, PA? Good morning all The place of birth of George Boyd of Compass, PA? I first became aware of George Boyd of Compass, PA when I read an article in Dean Road in 1998. In the October 1998 issue of Dean Road, page 16, Vera Metz of 375 Harrison St., Twin Falls ID 83301 USA said that George was born in Airth, Stirlingshire, Scotland. I am not sure on what bases she has made this claim? Airth, Stirlingshire is about 1 km from the south bank of the River Forth - about 12 kms SE of Stirling Town and about 6 kms north of Grangemouth. It is also in a part of Scotland where a number of Boyd's were frequent, although not as frequent as in Ayrshire. So armed with this information, I was able to consult the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK and found the following entries:- George BOYD (M)...... C: 31 May 1691 B: 11 Oct 1887 LOGAN F#: 177846 @ Rel: Hugh FINDLAY Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: Pre-1970 P#: 199 (no parents listed) SP: Pre-1970 O#: 7130 Georg BOYD (M)............. C: 31 May 1691 B: 11 Oct 1887 Ba: C114692 Father: Robert BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 21 Feb 1945 ALBER So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO George BOYD (M)........... B: 1691 B: 21 Oct 1980 OGDEN Ba: F801962 10 @^_- Spouse: Isabella Mrs BOYD Antrim, Ulster Province, Ireland E: 8 Nov 1980 OGDEN So: 1260781 George BOYD (M)........... C: 17 May 1692 B: 17 Apr 1974 SLAKE Ba: 7331611 84 Father: Georg BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 6 Jun 1974 SLAKE So: 934260 Mother: Elizabeth JOHNSTOUN SP: 20 Aug 1974 SLAKE John BOYD (M).............. C: 25 Feb 1687 B: 14 Jun 1990 ARIZO Ba: C114692 Father: George BOYD Airth, Stirling, Scotland E: 22 Feb 1991 ARIZO So: 1040210,1040328 Mother: Elspet JOHNSTON SP: 2 Mar 1991 ARIZO While these 4 entries fit around the time of George's date of birth - one said he was born in Co Antrim, Ireland and the other 3 in Airth, Stirlingshire. There also appears to be some confusion over the name of the George Boyd father, who was born in Airth's. One entry said it was Robert and another said Georg. Perhaps by using the batch number, the source of these entries can be found from the LDS centre. There might even be a book written which includes this George Boyd and the author could be a Hugh Findlay which the LDS centre might be able to confirm. From those early readings, it was “generally” agreed that George and his family came from County Antrim. But the town unknown. Mr Gary Boyd Roberts of Boston, MA in 2016, told me, that “he had been told” that George came from Ballymoney, but his source had not supplied him with any data to support this “claim”. I have not been back to Ireland since I was told this information and at this time I am planning to go to the USA in late May/June in 2020 and I am not sure, when I will make my next visit to Ireland. But searching the County Antrim and more particularly, the Ballymoney records, may need to be undertaken by others of this family, to see what “records” they can look at and to make a list of those, and the results of their search so that others know, what had been researched and what still needs to be researched. While the gravestone at St. Johns, Compass, PA tell us that George was born in 1691, it does not tell us the “day” or “month” or “location” of his birth. SO, QUESTION ONE – Are these IGI entries above “our George Boyd”? As best that might be determined is that we can say they are “most likely” that he was born in Airth. Stirlingshire. But there could be other records that have not yet been put into the IGI records or yet to be made available. THE SECOND QUESTION – WAS HE BORN IN COUNTY ANTRIM OR AIRTH? From the 1994 IGI for the UK, it is known that George Boyd had a younger brother Baptised on 4 January 1694 in Airth, to the same parents as him – George Boyd and Elizabeth/Elspet Johnson. This would suggest that, if this is the same family, that George Boyd, the father, and his wife Elizabeth Johnston, did not migrate from Scotland until after 4 January 1694. And it is “thought” that George Boyd, the son, married Isabella in County Antrim in about 1709 or 1710. So, this would provide a possible window of about 15 or 16 years that this migration might have taken place. If any records of this migration can be found today? The THIRD QUESTION – ANY RECORD OF GEORGE BOYD, THE FATHER, AND ELIZABETH JOHNSTON LIVING IN COUNTY ANTRIM? Since I first went to County Antrim in 2004, I have never found any such family. However, that does not mean that there are no records of this family in Ireland – just that I have not yet found them. And if the family moved there in 1694, it would mean that George, the son, was only 3 years old. So that tell us that he is not going by himself, but would to have parents there. While if he arrived in 1709, this would make him 18 years old and may or may not have travelled with his parents. The FOURTH QUESTION – ANY GRAVES FOR GEORGE BOYD, THE FATHER, AND ELIZABETH JOHNSTON While I do have some Cemetery Records for some of the County Antrim Cemeteries, but there are still many that I do not have. I am aware of the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, which produced a series of Volumes for the County Down Gravestone Inscriptions. But I have not seen any Volumes for Antrim – but I am sure that the Minister at Church of Ireland, in Ballycastle, gave me a few pages for one Volume that covered the old Church at Ballymoney. But those pages never got back to Brisbane for some reason. So, are any members of this list a member of the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, Northern Ireland. And can you advise if there is a series of Volumes for County Antrim Cemeteries. Or if someone is going to Belfast next Summer in 2020, could you either join the Ulster Historical Foundation or visit their Library. (I have an idea that I may have seen this Library in the Queens University area about a decade ago, but I can’t recall if you can just walk in off the street or if it is only available to members? Does anyone know?) The Ulster Historical Foundation, maybe the best source to see if there are any records of a grave for George Boyd and Elizabeth Johnston in County Antrim or not. Or are there other records that need to be consulted? Hear, I am ASSUMING that they are in a Church of Ireland Churchyard in County Antrim? I have Dorothy Arthur’s books on the graves at St Patricks, Ballymoney, [which I assume is the C of I for Ballymoney], but that does not list any suitable candidates for their Graves. THE FIFTH QUESTION – WAS GEORGE BOYD, THE SON’S FATHER ROBERT BOYD AND NOT GEORGE BOYD? In the above list of IGI entries, the second entry shows that his father as Robert Boyd and the 4th and 5th entries show George Boyd. So, while this entry is from the Church Records, is it correct or has there been an transcription error? David Boyd of Oxfordshire, are you able to confirm this one way or the other? So, that George Boyd, the son’s father can be determined, as either GEORGE or ROBERT. And as you can see there are still many questions, with when and where George Boyd, the son, was born, yet to be determined to a higher level of satisfaction. I hope that these Questions and observations, will help those researching the place of birth of George Boyd, the son, in 1691, to be able to find some of the answers that people have been searching for, these past 25 years or more. And remember to tell the list where, and what sources you have looked at, so that others are not also looking at those same sources without any success. (I can list these research efforts at the bottom of Family Chapter 5/266, as a record of what sources have proved unfruitful.) Good Hunting. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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Good morning all Boyd of Broadmeadows, Selkirkshire In the book Burke’s Distinguished Families of America, The Lineages of 1600 Families of British Origins now resident in the United States of America, [no date], p 2574, it tells us - The eldest son, John Boyd, of Broadmeadows, Selkirkshire, Scotland, b 30 Mar. 1771; m 6 Dec. 1799, Jane, dau of Capt. T. Robert Robb, 84th Regt of Foot, and d. 1849, leaving issue, 1. Archibald, b 25 May 1801; m Miss Duddingstone, of Sandford. 2. William Mitchell, of Edinburgh, b 29 Aug. 1803; m Miss Hamilton, of Kildonan, Ayrshire, and by her had issue. 3. Robert, m. Ann Bowden. 4. Sprott, of whom presently. 5. Philip Donville, b 14 Sept 1823. 1. Isabella, b 15 Jan. 1807 2. Fanny Mitchell, b 27 Mar. 1808. 3. Rebecca, b 20 Feb 1810. 4. Jane, b 26 April 1813; m Bertram Evans, and had issue. 5. Anne Montague Scot, b 9 April 1820; m Andrew Wauchope of Niddrie. 6. Margaret Alexine, b 25 Sept. 1830; m James Campbell, 50th Madras Native Infantry. It would appear that those birth, that are given come from a family Bible, as I could only, from a first look on the 1994 IGI, find only Anne Montague Scot Boyd’s birth entry and she was born at Reading, England in 1820. And I do not know enough history of this family to know if they came to England This Burke’s, does not say when John Boyd bought or obtained Broadmeadows. And in the New Year, I will have to visit my State Library, about 20 miles away, to see if find this family in their Landed Gentry or Landed Commoners publications, to see if they might add further data to this family. It seems that Broadmeadows is still in existence. It is about 6 miles west of Selkirk (town) and just north of the A708 and appears from the website, to be able to be hired out to parties of up to 20 people or so. Does your family connect to any of these 11 children? And it seems from the Net that there were more than 11 children born to John and Jane. So, has anyone done any research at Selkirk Library, Church or other places on this family? Or do you have any additional information on it Thank you for your assistance. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd

Thank you, Mike, and to you and the other Boyd listees! Be safe with the wildfire danger. --Lorraine On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 5:56 PM Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Good morning all > > > > I wish all my friends on this list a Merry Christmas and good hunting in > 2020 with your family tree work. > > > > During my trip to the USA in June, I was able to find more Boyd families. > But I still have not had time to sort all that information out yet. I now > have some 1000 Boyd family Chapters in the Clan Boyd Pyramid plus another > 7,000 Boyd families that I have yet to process. And we have not yet even > scratched the surface of descendants of Clan Boyd and its descendants. > > > > On Xmas day, I will be having to drive 10 miles to have breakfast with six > grandchildren; then drive an hour in the opposite direction to have lunch > with three more grandchildren and after that drive another hour to get to > my daughters two grandchildren for dinner. So, no jeer until after dinner, > as I will be on the road for about 3 hours during the day, if the fires do > not stop from getting there. In New South Wales, they have declared their > second week of Fire Emergency and advising people to be careful about > driving to visit family during this next week. > > > > Enjoy your family wherever you are in the World. And I will look forward > to corresponding with some of you directly in the New Year, or seeing your > wisdom on the net to others that we all can learn from. > > > > Have an enjoyable Christmas. > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Good morning all I wish all my friends on this list a Merry Christmas and good hunting in 2020 with your family tree work. During my trip to the USA in June, I was able to find more Boyd families. But I still have not had time to sort all that information out yet. I now have some 1000 Boyd family Chapters in the Clan Boyd Pyramid plus another 7,000 Boyd families that I have yet to process. And we have not yet even scratched the surface of descendants of Clan Boyd and its descendants. On Xmas day, I will be having to drive 10 miles to have breakfast with six grandchildren; then drive an hour in the opposite direction to have lunch with three more grandchildren and after that drive another hour to get to my daughters two grandchildren for dinner. So, no jeer until after dinner, as I will be on the road for about 3 hours during the day, if the fires do not stop from getting there. In New South Wales, they have declared their second week of Fire Emergency and advising people to be careful about driving to visit family during this next week. Enjoy your family wherever you are in the World. And I will look forward to corresponding with some of you directly in the New Year, or seeing your wisdom on the net to others that we all can learn from. Have an enjoyable Christmas. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Australia

I got this reply as to what "CURATORS" from the Lanarkshire net list, which may be helpful for others researching in Scotland. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 5:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Re: Clan Hamilton and the Boyds - Age at Matriculation Thank you Mark, that will help me in several Family Chapters. His parents, James Hamilton, first Earl of Abercorn and his mother, Marion Boyd, dau of 6th Lord Boyd, were married before 1603, and as he is the third son, I would estimate he was born about 1606 or 1607. Making him only about 14 or 15 years old when he matriculated at Glasgow University in 1621. Previously, I had mentally worked on about 20 to 22 years when they matriculated. Hopefully, this will help others to estimate someone’s birth from their matriculation date. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Highland Family Heritage Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Re: Clan Hamilton and the Boyds A curator was a legal guardian of a boy from age 14 and a girl from age 12 until they reached adulthood. Before the age of 14 and 12 the term was a "tutor". These are legal definitions under Scots law which applied right up until the modern age when the age of majority was lowered at first from 21 to 18 and then to 16. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 December 2019 04:39 To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Clan Hamilton and the Boyds _______________________________________________

Hi All Clan Hamilton and the Boyds In 2015, during my trip to Edinburgh as Chairman of the Historical Committee of the House of Boyd Society, I found the book A History of The House of Hamilton, by Lt Col. George Hamilton, 1933, which on page 35, said – “3. Sir William Hamilton, matriculated at Glasgow University in 1621, [m]. On 19 July of that year he chose curators, his next of kin on his father’s side being, Sir George Hamilton of Greenlaw, [A], and Sir Frederick Hamilton, and on his mother’s side William Boyd of Bonshaw and Adam Boyd of Templeton. [l] He was created a Baronet, presumably “of Westport,” in 1627. [n].” Book footnotes:- [l] IX 1d., 47; [m] III Mun. Univ. Glasg., 75; [n] GEC. Barts. Mike Boyd’s Notes:- [A] This Sir George Hamilton of Greenlaw would appear to be his uncle – his father’s brother. In 1614 as a recusant Papist he was ordered to be removed from Ireland. And I am not sure what relationship Sir Frederick Hamilton is, but he could be Sir George’s younger brother, and 8th son of Lord Claude Hamilton, whose ancestors became the Viscount Boyne. James Hamilton, MASTER OF PAISLEY and afterward 1st Earl of Abercorn, married before 1603 Marion Boyd, daughter of Thomas Boyd, 6th Lord Boyd. Lord James, was one of the nine Chief Undertakers of the Plantation of Ireland for James VI and I. While Marion’s brother, Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay, one of the 50 Undertakers, and was granted 1,500 acres of land just to the west of the James Hamilton’s land at Newtownstewart, County Tyrone. This was bound by the River Finn, Mourne River and the Derg River. I am not sure what the term “Curators” means in 1621. (So, in the New Year I will have to check at my Genealogical Society.) However, it is the two Boyd names, that I am writing about. 1. “William Boyd of Bonshaw”. There is a Cadet Branch of the Boyds of Bonshaw. But in about 1607, it is said that Thomas Boyd of Bonshaw sold his lands to Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay. And in 1613, after Sir Thomas Boyd sold his lands in County Tyrone to his brother-in-law, he is said to have returned to Scotland. With many people assuming it was to Bonshaw in Cunninghame, Ayrshire, that he returned to. But neither George Robertson or James Patterson seem to outline any Boyd family of Bonshaw in their books. At this time, I am not quite sure to which Boyd family this William Boyd belonged to – the old Bonshaw Cadet Branch or Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay? The Scots Peerage, Volume V, in 1907, tell us that Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay had no children living in 1634. 2. “Adam Boyd of Templeton.” This is the first time that I have seen such an location in Scotland. Dr Google tells me there is an area just north of the Glasgow Green in Glasgow by this name, but I have no idea or not if this is the right location Nor am I sure what the reference “IX 1d., 47” means. Hopefully, I can find out by June 2020, when I visit the LDS Library at Salt Lake City, so I can search for a copy of it. Has anyone heard of either of these two Boyds previously, and can you provide any more details about their families? Thank you for your assistance. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd [Folder 15D # 12B]

Good morning all As I was typing up the family of Boyds from Broadmeadows, Selkirkshire, Scotland, I googled a few of the names and found this website – SPROTT AND CATHERINE BOYD - WordPress.com connorhistorycom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/sprott-and... Sprott Boyd (1814-1902) and Catherine Cutler (1819-1894). By A.G. Connor, 2019 3 Sprott Boyd’s early years Edinburgh, Scotland Sprott Boyd was born on 26 December 1814 at Nicholson Square, Edinburgh, Scotland1. (This is an 37 page biography of the Family of Sprott Boyd (1814 – 1902) and Catherine Cutler (1819 – 1894) by Andrew George Connor, Perth, 2019 – BUT THERE IS NO CONTACT DETAILS FOR ANDREW.) Is Andrew on this net list? Or is there someone on this list from Perth, Australia whom could try to contact Andrew Connor in the New Year? Andrew takes this Boyd family back to a John Boyd born in 1700, whom married a Matilda Dobson, but does not take it back to a Dr John Boyd, who came to Carrickfergus, County Antrim in 1650, and is given as being a Surgeon who was born in Scotland. But not where or whom his parents were. Thank you for your assistance. Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust. [Ch 18/905]

Good morning all In the last few days, I answered a query from Mike Curtiss of the USA (Email [email protected]) which starts with the family of Samuel Boyd (1718 – 1804), whom it was said married Lady Jane Gurney, as his second marriage. This family is said to have come from Knockavaddy, in north eastern County Tyrone, where it is “said” that the Boyd house was built in 1690. But no one seems to know if this house was built by Samuel’s father or grandfather. Mike Curtiss has just replied with this data - “This Wier family comes from a long line of well-documented Covenantors. Thomas Wier (1708-1785) was a grandson of Rev. John Wier and Janet Ferguson, who were Covenantors that emigrated from Scotland to North Ireland in 1664. Their ancestors are documented in the book "Ten Tribes of Wier" and others. I don't know if that fact helps to identify Samuel Boyd (1718-1804) but I hope it can. What I assume to be true and what many sources tell us is that the children of Thomas Wier (1708-1785) intermarried and traveled with children of Samuel Boyd (1718-1804). So just to keep track of who's who: Thomas Wier (1708-1785) and Elizabeth Faulkner had the following children: *Samuel Wier (1760-1810); *Thomas Wier II (1763-1851)(married Mary Withrow, emigrated 1795); *Nancy Agnes Wier (1765-1843)(married James Boyd, emigrated 1795); *James Wier (1769-1840)(married Mary Hamilton, emigrated 1804). Samuel Boyd (1718-1804) had the following children: *William Boyd (1747-1815)(married Margaret Lyons, emigrated 1804); *James Boyd (1758-1845)(married Nancy Agnes Wier, emigrated 1795); *Samuel Boyd Jr. (b. 1759); *Rebecca Boyd (b. 1759)(many sources don't include her); *Jane Boyd (b. 1760)(married James Hamilton, emigrated 1804). Thomas Wier and Elizabeth Faulkner lived near Ballynagilly Township in County Tyrone, "3 leagues from Cookstown". Thomas and Elizabeth were members of Cookstown First Presbyterian Church, where their daughter Nancy married James Boyd in 1783. James Boyd (1758-1845) married Nancy Agnes Wier (1765-1843) on August 4, 1783 at Cookstown Presbyterian Church. James Boyd was a member of Carland Presbyterian Church (marriage is recorded there). The church was originally called "Donoughmore" and later "Dungannon." [this is according to some of the sources I'll list below].” It is the “Covenantors” aspect of the Wier, Ferguson, Hamilton and the Boyd and Gurney families that I would like to look at. 1. I do not know enough about the history of County Tyrone, to know if Covenantor families settled there or when? Does anyone have an sources, about Covenantors in County Tyrone? Or is this a question that I should contact the Local Studies Library in Dungannon in the New Year about? 2. While I am aware that there were some Covenantor Churches in County Antrim, would people wanting to try to find this Samuel Boyd’s Parents in Knockavaddy, need to also contact and go to the Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast? Or are the Covenantor Church records held somewhere else? 3. As the Boyd, Wier, and Hamilton families have migrated between 1795 and 1804, to Charleston, SC, I am hoping all three = and perhaps others – may have migrated from Scotland together as well. 4. It seems that the family of “Rev. John Wier and Janet Ferguson” came from Dalserf, Lanarkshire, Scotland about 1660. Although this date may not be too certain. I am not sure if he was the Minister in Dalserf or if his Wier family came from Dalserf. Nor is anything given on whom Janet Ferguson’s parents are, to see where she came from. (I am aware of several Ferguson families in Ayrshire, but I have no knowledge if they were also in Lanarkshire.) 5. It is known that the 7th Lord Boyd, third wife, was a strict Presbyterian and brough her children up as such. O1 Robert Boyd, who succeeded his grandfather as seventh Lord Boyd, b November 1595, d 28/8/1628, m 161x, (contract dated October 1614) Margaret Montgomerie[1], widow of Hugh Montgomerie, 5th Earl of Eglinton who died in 1615 or 1616 without issue to either husband, m secondly 161x, (contract dated 9 December 1617), Lady Christian Hamilton, widow with issue of Robert Lindsay, 10th Lord Lindsay of the Byrnes (who died 9 July 1616) and eldest daughter of Thomas Hamilton, First Earl of Haddington, b between 1588 and 1594, d before 6 February 1646 at the house of her daughter, Lady Ardross, in the parish of Elie and had issue:- And Lady Christian Boyd, is also listed as one of the Scottish Worthies. They only had one son, who died in 1640, whom was succeed by his uncle. I am aware that a number of Boyds were killed during the “Killing Times” due to being Covenantors, but I do not have any list of these people or from where they came in Scotland 6. So, at this time, if it looks like that the Wier Family were Covenantors, and I am assuming that Samuel Boyd’s ancestors were also most likely to have been so, as well. I am also aware that the Boyds of Bonshaw, were said to have had their house pulled down in this period due to being Covenantors, but I have no idea as to whom was the laird at this time, the house was demolished. 7. The other aspect that may held to confirm these “claims” is to find Lady Jane Gurney’s Scottish family and to see if they were (or she was) Covenantors. Thank you for your assistance Mike Boyd Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1]She was the daughter of Robert Montgomerie of Giffin, see chapter 2/111.

David and all This speculation may not be too far from the truth. I have a reference of 1941, saying that in 1560, “BOYDS” – yes plural – went to The Route, from Carrick, Ayrshire. But it did not say how many. Not did it say what they did in The Route. But “working” for Sorley Boy McDonnell could be one reason? The only Boyd family of Carrick, Ayrshire of this time period were the Boyds of Penkill. This Boyd family of Penkill starts with Adam Boyd, son of Alexander Boyd, third child of Lord Robert Boyd, who is normally called the Third Lord Boyd, but he does not seem to have granted the title after the 1469 forfeiture, and his wife Helen Kennedy, youngest daughter of John Kennedy, 2nd Lord Kennedy. They had five sons and three daughters. And only the first two sons are named. L1 Robert Boyd, second Laird of Penkill, bc 1533, dc 1596, mc 1556, Catherine Gordon, dau of Gordon, b 15xx, and had issue:- [Lived: ] - Clarke said he succeeded his father in 1554 as second Laird of Penkill . And L2 James Boyd, first Laird of Trochrig, bc 1534 ( , Scot.), d 21/6/1581 ( , Scot.), bu Cathedral of Glasgow, m 15xx (church, town, county, etc), Margaret Chalmers, dau of James and Annabella (nee Cunningham) Chalmers, of Gadgirth, b 15xx (Gadgirth, Scot.), d 15xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - This James Boyd was the second Protestant Archbishop of Glasgow. But the third to fifth sons are not named. And nothing seems to be known about them. So, could two or all three of these un-named sons of the first Laird of Penkill, have been those “Boyds” from Carrick, Ayrshire to have gone to The Route in County Antrim in 1560? Adam Boyd of Penkill is said to have married Helen Kennedy before December 1531, so by 1560, these three un-named sons could be aged between 15 years and about 24 years old. And with one elder brother, educated to go into the Church, would or could they also have received an “Education” to some degree? And would that education be good enough for them to become “servants” of Sorley Boy MacDonnell. Hear, I do not mean kitchen servants, but “land managers”; “Officers in his Army”; “Judges”; “Ships Captain”; or people of this nature in his household. So, when the “Giroma” sank only a km and half NE from the Tourist Office at the Giant Causeway, “COULD” some of these Spanish sailors have survived? AND COULD, one of these have been a young boy – say under 21 – and been taken in by one of these Boyds of Carrick? All I know about this shipwreck, is that Sorley Boy had his people get the ships cannons, which he then used in his castle. But I have no knowledge if there were any survivors of the “Giroma” or not? David, is this a question, that the people at Oxford College, might be able to answer? If there were or were not survivors? And if there were survivors, what happened to them, etc? This may prove the first part of this THEORY. I assume the second part of this theory, is were they any Jewish crew aboard? Either as slaves or those Jews forced to convert to the Catholic religion due to the Spanish Inquisition – which I think was happening in and around 1588. Hear, I am ASSUMING, that a young Jewish boy (or former Jewish Boy, whom may have converted to a Catholic) may have survived and was taken into one of these Boyd families and brought up as a Boyd. Nor would it explain, why in about 50-years later, that this Boyd family from the Spanish Armada, finished up in Airth, Stirlingshire? Airth as early as 1500, was a Royal Naval Port and Royal shipbuilding yards. So, could one of these Boyds, whom was a Ships Captain for Sorley Boy, or his adopted Spanish son – for whatever reason – have moved to Airth? (Perhaps this third part of the THEORY, will be more difficult to prove? Especially, if the Boyd father and the adopted son, both moved to Airth?) Of the dozen or so people that I know that can connect to the Head of the Clan, about half of these people belong to the Boyds of Penkill. And I think all of these are from female lines. However, I do not know enough about DNA tests to know if this group of people’s DNA can be compared to that of David’s family and those descendants of George Boyd of Compass, PA. Or would people need to consult some of the Universities in Ireland about any survivors from the “Giroma”? For your discussion. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 7:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Book about George and Isabella Boyd's family David Boyd-Hall and I are connected and I have often pondered why we have the "Aftrican" haplogroup A. I did ponder the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girona_(ship) Then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorley_Boy_MacDonnell Did we get the surname from our saviour's middle name Somhairle Buidhe Mac Domhnaill? Pure speculation that got me nowhere! Thank you. David Boyd [email protected]