I am one of the people searching for my family in the Chester, Delaware county. I am searching the following line 1870 Census Lower Chichester Township county of Delaware James Boyd age 60 born in MD. Apprx. 1810 he worked as a watchman,married to Deborah (unknown maiden name)age 55 born in MD. approx. 1815 , had the following children James JR. age 27 born in Del. Approx. 1843 was also a watchman, Margaret age 24 born in Del.approx. 1846 worked in a Cotton Factory, and Mary age 33 born in Del.approx. 1848 worked in a Cotton Factory The next Census I found was 1880 Lower Chichester , county Delaware, City: South Chester,where James Jr. got married in that time period and the 1880 census reads James Boyd Jr.Age 37 born in MD?(last census had Del.?) works in ship yard 2,. married Emma (FERGUSON)age 30 born in MD.approx. 1850, my great great grandparents. had the following children Theodore age 10 born approx. 1870 my great grandfather born in MD. approx. , and Horace age 2, born approx.1878. I can not find this family before 1870 and am lost at this point.I have tried spelling variations for their last name.I have put each name into Ancestry.com ,And can not find them before 1870 census. If you know of this family or have any ideas for me to try next. Please let me know. I never thought it would be this hard to search this line. All is now failing and I do not know what to do next. Thanks For Any Help You Can Give Me. Virginia Eckert (BOYD) eveckert@dejazzd.com

A few weeks ago I received an e-mail from a fellow Boyd researcher named Barbara England of the great state of Tennessee. I have tried every which way to reply and keep getting mail failures. Can anyone of the Clan Boyd help me locate her so we can compare notes? Thanks in advance. Mel Van Vickle 314-752-5879

In a message dated 9/16/2004 6:19:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, richboyd@speednetllc.com writes: Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? I have 3 e-mail accounts. (One is for personal mail, one for things like this web site, and one for the gen soc. I have been a board member on for several years.) Neither of the two dedicated ones seem to get Spam. The personal one, where friends send those darned 'you just have to see this' and 'send to 7 people in 7 minutes' messages, with scores of names on them, seem to be the source of spam to my name, only on that account. Now I open one a bit, see the list of names, and deleted the thing. Don't want to lose my friends! So now if I get a gen. message on that one, I send instructions to never send one of those again, etc. Madora

All of the Griffith's Land Valuations are now on the web site. http://clanboyd.info If your ancestor lived in Ireland during these years you may find him on these lists. Many Thanks to Karen for doing all the work it takes to get these on line. Rich Boyd 1 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Antrim-Page 1 2 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Antrim-Page 2 3 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Armagh 4 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Carlow 5 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Cavan 6 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Clare 7 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Cork 8 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Donegal 9 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Down 10 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Dublin 11 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Fermanagh 12 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Galway 13 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Kildare 14 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Kilkenny 15 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Laois(Queens) 16 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Leitrim 17 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Limerick 18 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Londonderry(Derry) 19 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Longford 20 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Louth 21 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Mayo 22 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Meath 23 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Monaghan 24 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Offaly(Kings) 25 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Roscommon 26 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Sligo 27 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - Tipperary 28 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Tyrone 29 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Waterford 20 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Westmeath 31 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Wexford 32 Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 - County Wicklow

Hi Ron, A search of old occupations does not show an occupation "Burgis" but I would suggest that it most probably was an another spelling/older spelling version of "Burgess": BURGESS - represented a borough at official levels .................. England: burgess *a (esp. vested) citizen of a town or borough *a holder either of land or a house in a borough, with special judicial privileges and a part to play in running the borough. ............... My dictionary: * burgess - a citizen or freeman of a British borough. * formerly, a member of the British Parliament representing a borough, corporate town, or university. * a member of the House of Burgesses, the lower house of the legislature of Md. or Va before the American Revolution. Hope the above is helpful to you :-) Kind Regards, Karen from Ohio, USA

I'm doing some transcription of marriages from the Berwick upon Tweed area (1654) and the word "Burgis" keeps appearing. It appears to be some sort of job/occupation or the like. Can anyone clarify please. Regards. Ron

Spyware (also called sneakware and stealthware) is software that comes hidden in free downloadable software and tracks you online movements, while it mines the information stored on your computer, or uses the information stored on your CPU and storage for some other task like displaying banner ads. Shirley -------------- Original message -------------- > They aren't harvesters, Rich, they are called spy-ware. They get your email > addy & sell it to anyone & everyone. > > JanC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RichBoyd" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > > > > > > My problem is different than many. My email address was on my web site. > > They are harvester programs that go to web sites and reap all the email > > addresses. > > > > I have taken my email address off the site and put it in a graphic which > the > > harvesters can't see. But it is a little late. > > > > Speednet picks up all the junk and spam and puts it in a separate file. > But > > you still have to spend time to go in there and delete it. > > > > Rich > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > > > > > > > I get very little spam. AOL has a pretty good screener and an icon on > > their > > > letter where we can click on to report spam. I also have Norton > > Security, > > > which helps. > > > > > > Virginia > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >

I can't help but wonder what else it is deleting. My server spam filter filters as much good stuff I want to get (contacts form other researchers) as the stuff I don't want. An example: I am trying to send information that was requested to a lady, and my emails are bounced back. She is on aol. So much for the effectiveness of the server spam filter. Jane in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McAllister" <damcallister@centurytel.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > I don't. They seem to get rid of all of that sex and drugs stuff just > fine. > I use mac.com. > Dee > On Sep 16, 2004, at 6:17 AM, RichBoyd wrote: > > > Jan > > > > You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk > > mail! > > > > Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > > > > Rich > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > > >> Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a > > filter. > >> You need to change from speednetllc.com. > >> > >> I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and > >> I > >> don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but > >> doubt > >> that I need it. > >> > >> JanC > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > >> Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > >> > >> > >>> This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. > >>> My > >> guess is 95 percent > >>> of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > >> tiring and tedious > >>> but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one > >>> single > >> email that might help > >>> me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a > > spam > >> file > >>> and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > >>> > >>> <<<<<<< > >>> 1. NEWS AND NOTES > >>> 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > >>> > >>> Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > >>> history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > >>> was going through the attic at the old family house. > >>> > >>> She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with > >>> all > >>> the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > >>> were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She > >>> decided > >>> to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she > >>> booted up > >>> her computer and away she surfed. > >>> > >>> Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: > >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > >>> and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > >>> locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > >>> She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > >>> family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > >>> She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > >>> found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > >>> initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in > >>> the > >>> rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable > >>> people > >>> willing to help her find the answers. > >>> > >>> Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even > >>> able > >>> to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > >>> family Bible record with her post on the boards. > >>> > >>> Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > >>> posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: > >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > >>> And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > >>> the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > >>> COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > >>> RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > >>> > >>> Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > >>> information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated > >>> individuals > >>> who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > >>> belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > >>> sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > >>> amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > >>> sources and in such a short time. > >>> > >>> She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > >>> Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming > >>> e- > >>> mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox > >>> with > >>> increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > >>> for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address > >>> all > >>> over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam > >>> seem > >>> to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. > >>> If > >>> you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > >>> supply a means by which they can reach you. > >>> > >>> With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > >>> Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > >>> unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > >>> friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy > >>> try > >>> out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her > >>> inbox > >>> of spam. > >>> > >>> Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that > >>> she > >>> downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a > >>> thought > >>> as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > >>> mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included > >>> in > >>> her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail > >>> Jail" > >>> approved sender list. > >>> > >>> At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > >>> However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from > >>> those > >>> who had information for her and from those who had found her listing > >>> on > >>> the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh > >>> yes, > >>> and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just > >>> stopped. > >>> What on earth could be the problem? > >>> > >>> Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she > >>> had > >>> set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off > >>> she > >>> trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: > >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > >>> to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk > >>> did > >>> not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > >>> all she had contributed? What nerve! > >>> > >>> Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor > >>> of > >>> the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on > >>> the > >>> HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > >>> > >>> Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that > >>> served so > >>> well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use > >>> e-mail > >>> to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > >>> blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, > >>> wouldn't > >>> allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review > >>> editor > >>> to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were > >>> being > >>> trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. > >>> Neither > >>> the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > >>> messages from spamblockers. > >>> > >>> This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > >>> lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the > >>> actual > >>> poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily > >>> someone > >>> in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > >>> > >>> Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another > >>> spam-blocking > >>> program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all > >>> your > >>> spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > >>> spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > >>> stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > >>> obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > >>> http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > >>> unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > >>> > >>> Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > >>> bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > >>> not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to > >>> explain > >>> the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but > >>> wiser, > >>> with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > >>> restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well > >>> for > >>> genealogists who are researching on the Net. > >>> > >>> Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail > >>> filters, > >>> and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > >>> RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be > >>> sent > >>> a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or > >>> bounced > >>> -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > >>> and other Internet resources. > >>> > >>> And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > >>> including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > >>> editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > >>> tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > >>> > >>> > >>> "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is > > granted > >>> unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is > >>> used > >>> for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following > >>> notice > >>> appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > >>> Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

They aren't harvesters, Rich, they are called spy-ware. They get your email addy & sell it to anyone & everyone. JanC ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > > My problem is different than many. My email address was on my web site. > They are harvester programs that go to web sites and reap all the email > addresses. > > I have taken my email address off the site and put it in a graphic which the > harvesters can't see. But it is a little late. > > Speednet picks up all the junk and spam and puts it in a separate file. But > you still have to spend time to go in there and delete it. > > Rich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <VPierce851@aol.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > > > > I get very little spam. AOL has a pretty good screener and an icon on > their > > letter where we can click on to report spam. I also have Norton > Security, > > which helps. > > > > Virginia > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

Rich - nope, I receive none. My server Infowest filters everything. I had a problem with my other server Burgoyne. I received over a hundred msgs today, and not one spam or junk mail.. Infowest is based in Southern Utah...maybe you could use them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [ClanBoyd] spam > Jan > > You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk mail! > > Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a > filter. > > You need to change from speednetllc.com. > > > > I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I > > don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt > > that I need it. > > > > JanC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > > Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > > > > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My > > guess is 95 percent > > > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > > tiring and tedious > > > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single > > email that might help > > > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a > spam > > file > > > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > > > > > <<<<<<< > > > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > > > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > > > > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > > > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > > > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > > > > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > > > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > > > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > > > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > > > her computer and away she surfed. > > > > > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > > > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > > > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > > > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > > > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > > > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > > > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > > > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > > > willing to help her find the answers. > > > > > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > > > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > > > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > > > > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > > > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > > > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > > > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > > > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > > > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > > > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > > > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > > > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > > > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > > > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > > > sources and in such a short time. > > > > > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > > > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > > > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > > > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > > > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > > > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > > > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > > > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > > > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > > > > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > > > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > > > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > > > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > > > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > > > of spam. > > > > > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > > > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > > > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > > > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > > > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > > > approved sender list. > > > > > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > > > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > > > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > > > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > > > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > > > What on earth could be the problem? > > > > > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > > > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > > > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > > > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > > > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > > > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > > > > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > > > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > > > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > > > > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > > > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > > > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > > > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > > > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > > > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > > > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > > > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > > > messages from spamblockers. > > > > > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > > > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > > > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > > > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > > > > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > > > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > > > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > > > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > > > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > > > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > > > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > > > > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > > > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > > > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > > > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > > > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > > > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > > > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > > > > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > > > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > > > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > > > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > > > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > > > and other Internet resources. > > > > > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > > > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > > > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > > > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > > > > > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is > granted > > > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > > > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > > > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > > > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

I receive Clan boyd e-mail because I am interested in the Family, not how to get out of spam and how my comp works. If the Clan Boyd is going to become a computer infor board please remove me form your mail. boydrobert

Rich, I get very little because my ISP use a through filter system. Some does get through, but not very much. Having said this I suppose I'll be covered-up with SPAM now. Hope not. Maybe I should knock on wood. Jim. At 08:17 AM 9/16/04, you wrote: >Jan > >You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk mail! > >Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > >Rich > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> >To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a >filter. > > You need to change from speednetllc.com. > > > > I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I > > don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt > > that I need it. > > > > JanC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > > Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > > > > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My > > guess is 95 percent > > > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > > tiring and tedious > > > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single > > email that might help > > > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a >spam > > file > > > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > > > > > <<<<<<< > > > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > > > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > > > > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > > > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > > > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > > > > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > > > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > > > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > > > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > > > her computer and away she surfed. > > > > > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > > > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > > > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > > > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > > > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > > > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > > > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > > > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > > > willing to help her find the answers. > > > > > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > > > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > > > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > > > > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > > > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > > > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > > > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > > > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > > > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > > > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > > > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > > > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > > > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > > > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > > > sources and in such a short time. > > > > > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > > > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > > > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > > > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > > > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > > > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > > > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > > > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > > > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > > > > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > > > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > > > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > > > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > > > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > > > of spam. > > > > > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > > > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > > > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > > > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > > > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > > > approved sender list. > > > > > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > > > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > > > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > > > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > > > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > > > What on earth could be the problem? > > > > > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > > > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > > > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > > > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > > > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > > > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > > > > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > > > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > > > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > > > > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > > > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > > > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > > > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > > > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > > > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > > > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > > > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > > > messages from spamblockers. > > > > > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > > > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > > > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > > > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > > > > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > > > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > > > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > > > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > > > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > > > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > > > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > > > > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > > > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > > > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > > > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > > > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > > > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > > > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > > > > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > > > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > > > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > > > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > > > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > > > and other Internet resources. > > > > > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > > > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > > > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > > > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > > > > > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is >granted > > > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > > > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > > > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > > > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

My problem is different than many. My email address was on my web site. They are harvester programs that go to web sites and reap all the email addresses. I have taken my email address off the site and put it in a graphic which the harvesters can't see. But it is a little late. Speednet picks up all the junk and spam and puts it in a separate file. But you still have to spend time to go in there and delete it. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: <VPierce851@aol.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] spam > I get very little spam. AOL has a pretty good screener and an icon on their > letter where we can click on to report spam. I also have Norton Security, > which helps. > > Virginia > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

I don't. They seem to get rid of all of that sex and drugs stuff just fine. I use mac.com. Dee On Sep 16, 2004, at 6:17 AM, RichBoyd wrote: > Jan > > You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk > mail! > > Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > >> Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a > filter. >> You need to change from speednetllc.com. >> >> I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and >> I >> don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but >> doubt >> that I need it. >> >> JanC >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM >> Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner >> >> >>> This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. >>> My >> guess is 95 percent >>> of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is >> tiring and tedious >>> but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one >>> single >> email that might help >>> me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a > spam >> file >>> and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. >>> >>> <<<<<<< >>> 1. NEWS AND NOTES >>> 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem >>> >>> Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family >>> history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she >>> was going through the attic at the old family house. >>> >>> She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with >>> all >>> the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who >>> were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She >>> decided >>> to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she >>> booted up >>> her computer and away she surfed. >>> >>> Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >>> and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, >>> locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. >>> She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old >>> family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. >>> She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she >>> found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the >>> initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in >>> the >>> rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable >>> people >>> willing to help her find the answers. >>> >>> Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even >>> able >>> to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the >>> family Bible record with her post on the boards. >>> >>> Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually >>> posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ >>> And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on >>> the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data >>> COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to >>> RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ >>> >>> Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional >>> information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated >>> individuals >>> who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had >>> belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the >>> sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally >>> amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online >>> sources and in such a short time. >>> >>> She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in >>> Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming >>> e- >>> mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox >>> with >>> increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible >>> for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address >>> all >>> over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam >>> seem >>> to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. >>> If >>> you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to >>> supply a means by which they can reach you. >>> >>> With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into >>> Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the >>> unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her >>> friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy >>> try >>> out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her >>> inbox >>> of spam. >>> >>> Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that >>> she >>> downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a >>> thought >>> as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- >>> mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included >>> in >>> her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail >>> Jail" >>> approved sender list. >>> >>> At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! >>> However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from >>> those >>> who had information for her and from those who had found her listing >>> on >>> the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh >>> yes, >>> and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just >>> stopped. >>> What on earth could be the problem? >>> >>> Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she >>> had >>> set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off >>> she >>> trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi >>> to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk >>> did >>> not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after >>> all she had contributed? What nerve! >>> >>> Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor >>> of >>> the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on >>> the >>> HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. >>> >>> Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that >>> served so >>> well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use >>> e-mail >>> to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- >>> blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, >>> wouldn't >>> allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review >>> editor >>> to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were >>> being >>> trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. >>> Neither >>> the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" >>> messages from spamblockers. >>> >>> This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing >>> lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the >>> actual >>> poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily >>> someone >>> in your address book and not from the list itself by name. >>> >>> Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another >>> spam-blocking >>> program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all >>> your >>> spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the >>> spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy >>> stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to >>> obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: >>> http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been >>> unsubbed from many of her busier lists. >>> >>> Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was >>> bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, >>> not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to >>> explain >>> the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but >>> wiser, >>> with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly >>> restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well >>> for >>> genealogists who are researching on the Net. >>> >>> Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail >>> filters, >>> and consideration must be given as to how they will work with >>> RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be >>> sent >>> a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or >>> bounced >>> -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists >>> and other Internet resources. >>> >>> And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, >>> including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the >>> editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need >>> tweaking and it might even be the culprit. >>> >>> >>> "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is > granted >>> unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is >>> used >>> for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following >>> notice >>> appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb >>> Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > >

I get very little spam. AOL has a pretty good screener and an icon on their letter where we can click on to report spam. I also have Norton Security, which helps. Virginia

Jan You are the only person I ever heard of who doesn't get spam or junk mail! Anybody else out there that doesn't get ANY spam or junk mail? Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a filter. > You need to change from speednetllc.com. > > I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I > don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt > that I need it. > > JanC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM > Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > > > > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My > guess is 95 percent > > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is > tiring and tedious > > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single > email that might help > > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a spam > file > > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > > > <<<<<<< > > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > > her computer and away she surfed. > > > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > > willing to help her find the answers. > > > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > > sources and in such a short time. > > > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > > of spam. > > > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > > approved sender list. > > > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > > What on earth could be the problem? > > > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > > messages from spamblockers. > > > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > > and other Internet resources. > > > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is granted > > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

Rich - spam (or junk mail) is your server's fault...they don't use a filter. You need to change from speednetllc.com. I have Infowest, and never receive spam. Infowest filters spam...and I don't have a fire-wall on my computer. I have Nortons to scan, but doubt that I need it. JanC ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: [ClanBoyd] A message about spam from Listowner > This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My guess is 95 percent > of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is tiring and tedious > but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single email that might help > me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a spam file > and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. > > <<<<<<< > 1. NEWS AND NOTES > 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem > > Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family > history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she > was going through the attic at the old family house. > > She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all > the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who > were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided > to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up > her computer and away she surfed. > > Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, > locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. > She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old > family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. > She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she > found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the > initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the > rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people > willing to help her find the answers. > > Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able > to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the > family Bible record with her post on the boards. > > Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually > posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ > And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on > the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data > COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to > RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ > > Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional > information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals > who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had > belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the > sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally > amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online > sources and in such a short time. > > She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in > Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- > mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with > increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible > for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all > over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem > to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If > you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to > supply a means by which they can reach you. > > With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into > Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the > unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her > friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try > out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox > of spam. > > Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she > downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought > as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- > mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in > her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" > approved sender list. > > At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! > However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those > who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on > the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, > and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. > What on earth could be the problem? > > Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had > set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she > trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did > not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after > all she had contributed? What nerve! > > Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of > the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the > HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. > > Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so > well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail > to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- > blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't > allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor > to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being > trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither > the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" > messages from spamblockers. > > This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing > lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual > poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone > in your address book and not from the list itself by name. > > Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking > program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your > spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the > spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy > stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to > obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been > unsubbed from many of her busier lists. > > Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was > bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, > not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain > the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, > with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly > restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for > genealogists who are researching on the Net. > > Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, > and consideration must be given as to how they will work with > RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent > a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced > -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists > and other Internet resources. > > And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, > including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the > editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need > tweaking and it might even be the culprit. > > > "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is granted > unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used > for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice > appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb > Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37." > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

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This is fairly long but is very informative and well worth reading. My guess is 95 percent of my email is spam. I just live with that fact and delete it. It is tiring and tedious but I believe the only real solution as I don't want to miss one single email that might help me find some new data on my family. My spamblocker puts the spam in a spam file and I check everyone to make certain it is not something important. <<<<<<< 1. NEWS AND NOTES 1a. Spamblocker: Solution May Be the Problem Lucy Lister is probably a lot like you. She started doing her family history research a few years ago when her grandma passed away and she was going through the attic at the old family house. She located some ancient unlabeled family photos and the Bible with all the family vital records listed in it. Lucy had many questions -- who were these people -- in the photos and in the family Bible? She decided to learn as much as she could about her family history, so she booted up her computer and away she surfed. Lucy discovered the RootsWeb mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ and used the index to subscribe to several lists for surnames, locations, and topics she found in the items in her grandma's attic. She had some questions about fraternal organizations mentioned in old family records, organizations her grandpa had apparently belonged to. She wondered about the original owner of the Civil War era boot she found in a cobwebbed corner of the attic and the old sword with the initials R.H.M. engraved on the handle she located tucked away up in the rafter. She had numerous questions, but found many knowledgeable people willing to help her find the answers. Lucy also posted queries on the RootsWeb message boards: http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reach a wider audience. She was even able to include a photo of the old boot and the sword plus a scan of the family Bible record with her post on the boards. Lucy learned more and more details, names and dates, and eventually posted her surnames on RootsWeb Surname List: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ And when she had enough information compiled from what she learned on the lists and boards, she uploaded a GEDCOM (Genealogical Data COMmunication) file, created by her computer genealogy program, to RootsWeb's WorldConnect: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ Time went by and Lucy received many valuable replies with additional information from new-found cousins and also from unrelated individuals who knew about the fraternal organizations to which her granddad had belonged. A sword collector was able to date the era during which the sword was made and even identify the manufacturer. It was literally amazing how much Lucy Lister learned from her involvement in online sources and in such a short time. She still had plenty she wanted to learn. However, a new foe stood in Lucy's path--causing her problems as she tried to sort her incoming e- mails each day. This intruder -- SPAM -- was entering her mailbox with increasing frequency. Lucy realized that RootsWeb was not responsible for this spam and she also knew she had plastered her e-mail address all over the Net in her attempts to learn about her family. Alas, spam seem to be an inevitable offshoot of doing genealogical research online. If you want to learn anything and get responses from others--you need to supply a means by which they can reach you. With this confounded spam becoming more and more of an intrusion into Lucy's daily e-mail existence, she sought a way to cut down on the unwanted mail. She expressed her unhappiness with the spammers to her friend, who wasn't doing genealogy on the Net and she suggested Lucy try out a new superduper spamblocker that she found that had rid her inbox of spam. Lucy was so eager to try out the new "E-mail Jail" spamblocker that she downloaded it and installed it that very day. She didn't give a thought as to how this wonderful new program might impact her genealogical e- mail usage as one who frequently heard from individuals not included in her address book and, therefore, were not on the required "E-mail Jail" approved sender list. At first, it seemed as if Lucy had found the solution--no more spam! However, she soon noticed that she had stopped receiving mail from those who had information for her and from those who had found her listing on the RSL, or via WorldConnect, mailing lists, and message boards. Oh yes, and that was another problem: Mail from her mailing lists just stopped. What on earth could be the problem? Lucy assumed there must be a problem at RootsWeb as she thought she had set up "E-mail Jail" to permit mail through from her lists. So, off she trotted to the RootsWeb HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi to post a message about her "problem" and, guess what? The HelpDesk did not even bother to reply. Was the HelpDesk just ignoring her -- after all she had contributed? What nerve! Lucy figured she'd get some action by dropping a note to the editor of the RootsWeb Review. Surely the editor could whip those ingrates on the HelpDesk into shape and make them reply to her. But, no replies came. Eventually Lucy determined that the wonderful spamblocker that served so well for her friend was completely unworkable when trying to use e-mail to communicate with others in doing genealogical research. This spam- blocker was too restrictive and didn't work with mailing lists, wouldn't allow replies from the HelpDesk personnel or the RootsWeb Review editor to get through to her. The replies were being held hostage or were being trashed awaiting confirmation that the sender wasn't a spammer. Neither the editor nor the HelpDesk had time to respond to such "challenge" messages from spamblockers. This type of spamblocker, when used by those subscribed to mailing lists won't work either as the list messages are coming from the actual poster--who might be any other list member and not necessarily someone in your address book and not from the list itself by name. Lucy finally ditched "E-mail Jail" and tried out another spam-blocking program. This one, "E-mail Kleaner" was supposed to "wash away all your spam" by returning mail from unknown senders as "User Unknown" so the spammers would think your e-mail address had gone dead. Again, Lucy stopped receiving her list mail. When she checked Password Central to obtain a list of all her subscribed lists: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ she discovered she had been unsubbed from many of her busier lists. Uh oh...she soon came to the realization that "E-mail Kleaner" was bouncing back all her list mail to RootsWeb. Plus once again, no one, not even a list administrator, was able to get through to her to explain the problem. In the end, Lucy Lister emerged a bit battered, but wiser, with the realization that spamblockers or filters that are overly restrictive or set to the highest security levels, do not work well for genealogists who are researching on the Net. Selectivity is the keyword when choosing and setting up e-mail filters, and consideration must be given as to how they will work with RootsWeb's resources. If people sending you e-mail are going to be sent a "challenge" response, have their mail imprisoned, trashed or bounced -- then the filters won't work for you if you are using mailing lists and other Internet resources. And, if you find you are not receiving the e-mail you are expecting, including that of list mail and replies from the HelpDesk and/or the editor, consider the possibility that your spamblocker might need tweaking and it might even be the culprit. "REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is granted unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb Review: 15 September 2004, Vol. 7, No. 37."

I agree. JanC ----- Original Message ----- From: "RichBoyd" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: [ClanBoyd] attachments > Karen > > I don't like the digests for that reason. My Isp makes attachments out of > the digests. I think most ISPs do. > > Solution...drop the digest and sign up for the regular list. > > Rich Boyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "karenmcmillan" <diggingupbones@cfl.rr.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:34 PM > Subject: [ClanBoyd] RE: CLANBOYD-D Digest V04 #156 > > > > Is there a way, that you can send things through with out them being > attachments? I don't like to open attachments, but hate to > > miss anything about the Clan. > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: CLANBOYD-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:CLANBOYD-D-request@rootsweb.com] > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:02 AM > > To: CLANBOYD-D@rootsweb.com > > Subject: CLANBOYD-D Digest V04 #156 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > BOOKS http://clanboyd.info/books/forsale > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >