Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a third or fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was also true in the German lineages. Karen in FL. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@highstream.net] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:37 AM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The Scot naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop just because you've moved to Ireland or America. They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , a bad situation. You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage in your research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds are pretty good that it was used. joe Boyd Williams Cape Carancahua, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because they had > lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids > anything > other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and the > daughters were named Elizabeth... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and a >> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. >> Anna Grace >> >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >> >> > I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) >> > Francis b. 1747 d.1797, >> > Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, >> > James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), >> > John b. 1825 d.1901, >> > Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 >> > >> > Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There may >> > have >> > been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. >> > Jane in Ohio >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> > >> > >> >> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, >> >> not far away, out of Andrew and David >> >> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >> >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >> >> >> >>> James, >> >>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots >> >>> in >> >>> Cecil >> >>> Co. Md. >> >>> Jane in Ohio >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> >> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most >> >>>> with >> >>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >> >>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> Ireland. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >> >>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was >> >>>>> made >> >>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King >> >>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since >> >>>>> passed >> >>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to >> >>>>> plant >> >>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the >> >>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land >> >>>>> once >> >>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by >> >>>>> land >> >>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The >> >>>>> Scottish >> >>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the >> >>>>> land >> >>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >> >>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >> >>>>> ancestors >> >>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually >> >>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the >> >>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in >> >>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because >> >>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information >> >>>>> on >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >> >>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >> >>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 >> >>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can >> >>>>> be >> >>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. >> >>>>> Many >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but >> >>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have >> >>>>> been >> >>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >> >>>>> 1718) >> >>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain >> >>>>> land >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. >> >>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to >> >>>>> this >> >>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to >> >>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years >> >>>>> 1718 >> >>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located >> >>>>> at >> >>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >> >>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, >> >>>>> our >> >>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >> >>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >> >>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >> >>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, >> >>>>> and to >> >>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to >> >>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation >> >>>>> upon >> >>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >> >>>>> encouragement"......... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >> >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>>>> trees >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>>> >> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>>> trees >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>> >> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>> trees >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >> trees >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> > >> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> > trees >> > >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The Scot naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop just because you've moved to Ireland or America. They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , a bad situation. You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage in your research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds are pretty good that it was used. joe Boyd Williams Cape Carancahua, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because they had > lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids > anything > other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and the > daughters were named Elizabeth... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and a >> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. >> Anna Grace >> >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >> >> > I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) >> > Francis b. 1747 d.1797, >> > Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, >> > James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), >> > John b. 1825 d.1901, >> > Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 >> > >> > Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There may >> > have >> > been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. >> > Jane in Ohio >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> > >> > >> >> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, >> >> not far away, out of Andrew and David >> >> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >> >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >> >> >> >>> James, >> >>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots >> >>> in >> >>> Cecil >> >>> Co. Md. >> >>> Jane in Ohio >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> >> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most >> >>>> with >> >>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >> >>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> Ireland. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >> >>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was >> >>>>> made >> >>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King >> >>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since >> >>>>> passed >> >>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to >> >>>>> plant >> >>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the >> >>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land >> >>>>> once >> >>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by >> >>>>> land >> >>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The >> >>>>> Scottish >> >>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the >> >>>>> land >> >>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >> >>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >> >>>>> ancestors >> >>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually >> >>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the >> >>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in >> >>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because >> >>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information >> >>>>> on >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >> >>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >> >>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 >> >>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can >> >>>>> be >> >>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. >> >>>>> Many >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but >> >>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have >> >>>>> been >> >>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >> >>>>> 1718) >> >>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain >> >>>>> land >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. >> >>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to >> >>>>> this >> >>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to >> >>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years >> >>>>> 1718 >> >>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located >> >>>>> at >> >>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >> >>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, >> >>>>> our >> >>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >> >>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >> >>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >> >>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, >> >>>>> and to >> >>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to >> >>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation >> >>>>> upon >> >>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >> >>>>> encouragement"......... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >> >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>>>> trees >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>>> >> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>>> trees >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>> >> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>> trees >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >> trees >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> > >> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> > trees >> > >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

Hi Dennis, I've been away for a while so don't know if you received a reply to your message or not so I thought I'd put my two cents worth in just in case you didn't :-) You asked: "Can anyone tell me if it is true that there exists an 1890 US veterans census index for SC but no census detail?" I believe that your library is in error...see below: South Carolina Censuses: Federal censuses were taken in South Carolina at ten-year intervals beginning in 1790. They are available on microfilm for 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880, 1900, 1910, and 1920. The 1890 schedules were destroyed, except those for Civil War veterans and widows, which are at the South Carolina Department of Archives and History, the National Archives, and on microfilm at the LDS Family History Library. About the 1890 Veterans Census from NARA: Practically all of the schedules for the States Alabama through Kansas and approximately half of those for Kentucky appear to have been destroyed, possibly by fire, before the transfer of the remaining schedules to the National Archives in 1943. Special Schedules of the Eleventh Census (1890) Enumerating Union Veterans and Widows of Union Veterans of the Civil War. M123. 118 rolls An act of March 1, 1889, provided that the Superintendent of Census in taking the Eleventh Census should "cause to be taken on a special schedule of inquiry, according to such form as he may prescribe, the names, organizations, and length of service of those who had served in the Army, Navy, or Marine Corps of the United States in the war of the rebellion, and who are survivors at the time of said inquiry, and the widows of soldiers, sailors, or marines." Each schedule calls for the following information: name of the veteran (or if he did not survive, the names of both the widow and her deceased husband); the veteran's rank, company, regiment or vessel, date of enlistment, date of discharge, and length of service in years, months, and days; post office and address of each person listed; disability incurred by the veteran; and remarks necessary to a complete statement of his term of service. See: http://www.archives.gov/index.html ------------------------------------------------ Also, you said: "If it is true that the Civil War Pension Index says that John P. Boyd's rank was Lt. then perhaps there is an additional file somewhere which NARA did not send to me." If you only sent for John P. Boyd's pension file then I would *assume* that you received all the information contained in that pension file....some contain alot of info, some don't. However, you might consider also sending for his Compiled Military Service Record (CMSR)....which *may* give you more information....and would answer the question you have concerning his rank. An explanation of an CMSR would be a bit too long to send to the list...but if you go to the following you will get a complete and accurate explanation : -) Compiled Military Service Record (CMSR) http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/military/civil-war/index.html#cmsr Every person that has served in the military has an CMSR. As with a pension record, a persons CMSR may contain alot of information....or very little. We have obtained CMSR's that are one pagers with little info....and we have them that contain 50 pages with tons of info.......but you never know until you obtain it. :-) Just one additional note in reference to the censuses.....I have personally not seen any *on-line* censuses that are complete so I would suggest that you may want to check them out personally at your library or thru the LDS Family History Library . Well, that's my two cents worth......hope the above is helpful to you :-) Kind Regards, Karen from Ohio, USA

It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because they had lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids anything other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and the daughters were named Elizabeth... ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and a > good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. > Anna Grace > > On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > > > I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) > > Francis b. 1747 d.1797, > > Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, > > James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), > > John b. 1825 d.1901, > > Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 > > > > Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There may > > have > > been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. > > Jane in Ohio > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > > >> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, > >> not far away, out of Andrew and David > >> Anna Grace Boyd Foster > >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > >> > >>> James, > >>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots > >>> in > >>> Cecil > >>> Co. Md. > >>> Jane in Ohio > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> > >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >>> > >>> > >>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most > >>>> with > >>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM > >>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland > >>>>> and > >>>>> Ireland. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > >>>>> > >>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > >>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was > >>>>> made > >>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King > >>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". > >>>>> > >>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since > >>>>> passed > >>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to > >>>>> plant > >>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the > >>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land > >>>>> once > >>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by > >>>>> land > >>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The > >>>>> Scottish > >>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the > >>>>> land > >>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > >>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the > >>>>> ancestors > >>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually > >>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > >>>>> > >>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the > >>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in > >>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because > >>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information > >>>>> on > >>>>> the > >>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > >>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area > >>>>> in > >>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > >>>>> > >>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > >>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter > >>>>> of > >>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 > >>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. > >>>>> > >>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl > >>>>> of > >>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can > >>>>> be > >>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name > >>>>> of > >>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. > >>>>> Many > >>>>> of > >>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but > >>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have > >>>>> been > >>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> -- > >>>>> --- > >>>>> > >>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* > >>>>> > >>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen > >>>>> 1718) > >>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain > >>>>> land > >>>>> in > >>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. > >>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William > >>>>> and > >>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to > >>>>> this > >>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north > >>>>> of > >>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to > >>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years > >>>>> 1718 > >>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located > >>>>> at > >>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > >>>>> > >>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > >>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, > >>>>> our > >>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > >>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > >>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > >>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, > >>>>> and to > >>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to > >>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation > >>>>> upon > >>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable > >>>>> encouragement"......... > >>>>> > >>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms > >>>>> of > >>>>> the > >>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > >>>>> > >>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>>> > >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>>>> trees > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>> > >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>>> trees > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and a good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. Anna Grace On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) > Francis b. 1747 d.1797, > Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, > James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), > John b. 1825 d.1901, > Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 > > Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There may > have > been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. > Jane in Ohio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, >> not far away, out of Andrew and David >> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >> >>> James, >>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots >>> in >>> Cecil >>> Co. Md. >>> Jane in Ohio >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>> >>> >>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most >>>> with >>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>> >>>> >>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland >>>>> and >>>>> Ireland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >>>>> >>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was >>>>> made >>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King >>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". >>>>> >>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since >>>>> passed >>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to >>>>> plant >>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the >>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land >>>>> once >>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by >>>>> land >>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The >>>>> Scottish >>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the >>>>> land >>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >>>>> ancestors >>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually >>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >>>>> >>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the >>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in >>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because >>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information >>>>> on >>>>> the >>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area >>>>> in >>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >>>>> >>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter >>>>> of >>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 >>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. >>>>> >>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl >>>>> of >>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can >>>>> be >>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name >>>>> of >>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. >>>>> Many >>>>> of >>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but >>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have >>>>> been >>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >>>>> >>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >>>>> 1718) >>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain >>>>> land >>>>> in >>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. >>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William >>>>> and >>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to >>>>> this >>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north >>>>> of >>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to >>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years >>>>> 1718 >>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located >>>>> at >>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >>>>> >>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, >>>>> our >>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, >>>>> and to >>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to >>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation >>>>> upon >>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >>>>> encouragement"......... >>>>> >>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >>>>> >>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) Francis b. 1747 d.1797, Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), John b. 1825 d.1901, Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There may have been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. Jane in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, > not far away, out of Andrew and David > Anna Grace Boyd Foster > On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > > > James, > > What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots in > > Cecil > > Co. Md. > > Jane in Ohio > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > > >> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most > >> with > >> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM > >> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >> > >> > >>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland and > >>> Ireland. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > >>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > >>> > >>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > >>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was > >>> made > >>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King > >>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". > >>> > >>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since passed > >>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to > >>> plant > >>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the > >>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land > >>> once > >>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by land > >>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The Scottish > >>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the land > >>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > >>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the > >>> ancestors > >>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually > >>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > >>> > >>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the > >>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in > >>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because > >>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information on > >>> the > >>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > >>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area > >>> in > >>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > >>> > >>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > >>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter > >>> of > >>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 > >>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. > >>> > >>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl of > >>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can be > >>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name of > >>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. Many > >>> of > >>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but > >>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have been > >>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> --- > >>> > >>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* > >>> > >>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen > >>> 1718) > >>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain land > >>> in > >>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. > >>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William and > >>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to > >>> this > >>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north > >>> of > >>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to > >>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years > >>> 1718 > >>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located at > >>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > >>> > >>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > >>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, > >>> our > >>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > >>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > >>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > >>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, > >>> and to > >>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to > >>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation > >>> upon > >>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable > >>> encouragement"......... > >>> > >>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms of > >>> the > >>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > >>> > >>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, not far away, out of Andrew and David Anna Grace Boyd Foster On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > James, > What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots in > Cecil > Co. Md. > Jane in Ohio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most >> with >> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >> >>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland and >>> Ireland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >>> >>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was >>> made >>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King >>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". >>> >>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since passed >>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to >>> plant >>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the >>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land >>> once >>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by land >>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The Scottish >>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the land >>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >>> ancestors >>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually >>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >>> >>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the >>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in >>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because >>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information on >>> the >>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area >>> in >>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >>> >>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter >>> of >>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 >>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. >>> >>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl of >>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can be >>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name of >>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. Many >>> of >>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but >>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have been >>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >>> >>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >>> 1718) >>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain land >>> in >>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. >>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William and >>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to >>> this >>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north >>> of >>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to >>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years >>> 1718 >>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located at >>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >>> >>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, >>> our >>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, >>> and to >>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to >>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation >>> upon >>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >>> encouragement"......... >>> >>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms of >>> the >>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >>> >>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

James, What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots in Cecil Co. Md. Jane in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most with > east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM > Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland and > > Ireland. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > > > > In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > > Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was made > > to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King > > James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". > > > > Most of the large estates from this time have long since passed > > into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to plant > > the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the > > grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land once > > they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by land > > grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The Scottish > > Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the land > > with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > > Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the ancestors > > of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually > > unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > > > > Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the > > Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in > > those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because > > large tracts of land are involved there is far more information on the > > Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > > Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area in > > Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > > > > Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > > Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter of > > Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 > > August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. > > > > Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl of > > Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can be > > assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name of > > Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. Many of > > the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but > > tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have been > > destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *The Petition of Ulstermen* > > > > Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen 1718) > > to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain land in > > "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. > > Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William and > > another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to this > > country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north of > > Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to > > believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years 1718 > > and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located at > > Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > > > > "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > > Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, our > > neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > > commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > > Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > > Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, and to > > insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to > > transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation upon > > our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable encouragement"......... > > > > The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms of the > > New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > > > > This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

Actually I'm motivated by a recent burial in my area. I have no idea whether the LDS for instance, has these people listed anywhere. Anna Grace B.F On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > Probably very few, unless a priest or pastor buried them...they have > to keep > a list of their buriel & birth records, or should. It depends on the > time-frame you're talking about Ana. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > > >> Does anyone know what records are kept of private graveyards? A >> friend's wife was just buried "at home" and I'm sure her death was >> recorded but not the fammily cemetery contents. >> Ana Grace Boyd Foster >> On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >>> And old Bible records are awful, in most cases. When I qualified one >>> of my >>> ancestors for the DAR, all I had was a very poorly written page, and >>> the 1st >>> name was spelled strange (1801). I thought "this isn't going to >>> fly....their going to turn this down. But they didn't... >>> >>> I recently had my son Steve put on checking/savings at the >>> bank....filled >>> out the card, he signed it, gave them a copy of his driver's >>> license...Steven K. Curtis. Got a statement from the bank & they had >>> spelled his name Stephen. >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Natalie" <natwick@comcast.net> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? >>> >>> >>>> Inscriptions on gravestones are usually what the family designates >>>> to >>>> go >>> on >>>> them.....in spite of what records exist or do not exist. So, once >>>> again....we are usually at the mercy of the person giving the >>>> information....and if the engraver (mason) got it right !!! Natalie >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:19 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Do you know whether the records were checked against the tombstones >>>>> themselves where they existed? The church records for my Gr >>>>> Grandfather >>>>> didn't include his name or his wife's but when I went to the >>>>> graveyard >>> it >>>>> was clearly there. Somewhere I think I remember reading that >>>>> records >>> were >>>>> made of graveyards where records didn't any more exist or never >>>>> had. >>>>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The LDS microfilmed all of the church records in the British Isles >>> years >>>>>> ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, church records are only as accurate as the person who >>>>>> wrote >>>>>> the >>>>>> entries....many of them were illiterate, so spellings of names can >>>>>> be >>>>>> wrong.....just like in early U.S. They spelled many names >>>>>> phontically. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Janet Hallahan" <jhallahan@comcast.net> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:30 AM >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting! So what do we think, are the LDS records the ones >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> these churches? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

The problem with the civil war pension program, is that the Gov't didn't have a good list of the troops to begin with. Then afterward, the men made their claims, and had to prove where they fought. The civil war records & Revolutionary war records are spotty. My gr.grandfather in Texas, for example, fought in Arkansas. There is not one record of him being in the civil war...just his memoirs (which are great)...he talked about their food, and how he gave a Yank a drink of water, etc. But he did get a small pension from Texas, for being a Texas Ranger. It seems everyone rushed in to claim a pension from the Gov't. The same thing happened after the Rev. War....pensions & free land in KY, etc. JanC ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. D. Smith" <hdennissmith@earthlink.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [Boyd] John P. Boyd - PA to SC - 1800s > Hi, > > Back in 2003 I posted a query to this list asking for help in discovering > information relative to John P. BOYD, the father of my grandfather's first > wife. In response, Karen provided some very helpful information. (Her > response is below.) I have been a little slow in following up and checking > out the information but have done so and now return with more data and more > questions. > > I have received from NARA a copy of the widow's pension file for Francis E. > (Sharp) BOYD which states she married John P. BOYD on 5 Mar 1871 in the town > of Due West, Abbeville Co., SC. > > The application further states that John P. BOYD enlisted in Co "H" of the > 1st Regiment of Pennsylvania Cavalry Volunteers on 15 Jan 1863 and was > discharged 20 Aug 1865 and died 1 Apr 1902. > > I found John P. BOYD and his family on the 1880 census of Abbeville, Co., > SC. He states that his age is 37 and that he was born in PA, his father was > born in PA and his mother was born in MD. > > The widow's pension application was rejected because the name John P. BOYD > could not be found on the muster rolls of the 1st PA Cav. > > Some of the forms have his name as John P. BOYD or STEWARD. I have no > explanation for the dual surnames. > > > The information which Karen provided from the Pension Index gives his rank > as Lt. while the file says he was a Private. > > Karen says he appeared on the index to the 1890 veterans schedule. Heritage > Quest has no 1890 census records for SC and my local library tells me that > the 1890 veterans schedule for SC does not survive. Apparently only the > index has survived. > > I have located John P. Boyd on the 1880 and 1900 Federal Census for > Abbeville Co., SC. He gave age as 37 in 1880 and a birth date of May 1845 > in 1900. > > Using the Heritage Quest search function, I have not been able to find this > John P. Boyd/Steward on any census before 1880. I would expect him to be in > PA in 1850 & 1860. He could be anywhere in 1870. The pension app. doesn't > state where he enlisted 'or where he was mustered out. > > Searches of the on-line Soldiers and Sailors system under both Boyd and > Steward have failed to turn up anyone who is likely to be this person. > > Can anyone tell me if it is true that there exists an 1890 US veterans > census index for SC but no census detail? > > If it is true that the Civil War Pension Index says that John P. Boyd's rank > was Lt. then perhaps there is an additional file somewhere which NARA did > not send to me. > > Thanks in advance for any additional help. > > Dennis Smith > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bschode [mailto:bschode@neo.rr.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:57 PM > > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ClanBoyd] Re: John P. Boyd - PA to SC - 1800s > > > > > > Hi Dennis, > > > > > > You may want to check the SC 1890 Veterans Schedule...as the following > > is listed in the Index for that Schedule....perhaps this is your John P. > > Boyd...and perhaps the Schedule will give you additional information: > > > > Census: > > BOYD, JOHN P. > > State: SC 1890 Veterans Schedule > > County: Abbeville County > > Township: Diamond Hill Township > > ................................. > > > > The following is listed in the "Civil War Pension Index": > > John P. Boyd > > Lt. 1st PA Cav. > > State Filed: South Carolina > > Widow: Francis E. Boyd > > Application No: 775609 > > Date filed: 1902 Dec 30 > > > > > > You may want to try to obtain his "Compiled Service Record" from NARA as > > many service records contain much personal and family information > > concerning a soldier and also the pension record (above) which may also > > be helpful to you as many times they also contain much personal and > > family information. Note: When requesting these records always request > > the *complete/entire* records so that you receive all of the information > > regarding a particular soldier. > > > > See the following NARA page for a complete explanation of the above > > records, and information about obtaining both the Compiled Military > > Service Record and Pension Record: > > > > Civil War Records > > http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/military/civil_war > _records.html#cmsr > > Obtaining the above records should provide you with an exact death date > so you may also be able to locate a death certificate, obituary, and > possibly a cemetery record. > > > Since you know what year John P. Boyd's first child was born(1870) there > is a very good chance that John P. Boyd and Frances E. Sharp were > married in 1869 or 1870 so you may want to search for their marriage > record....the following URL will give you information concerning SC > vital records. You may also want to check to see if the Abbeville County > Genealogical Society has any information about your John P. Boyd family. > The SC GenWeb web site should have the contact information. > See:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3837/ > > Hope something in the above is helpful to you :-) > > Kind Regards, > Karen from Ohio, USA > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005 > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

James, I come from Hamilton County, Ohio Boyds who apparently settled in Green Township in north Cincinnati sometime in the early 1800's. Earliest records I have indicate a Joseph Boyd married Rebecca Crawford from PA in 1810. They had 7 children - James married Catharine Mills, John, Margaret married Joseph Morton, Elizabeth married John Bracken, Martha married John Moore, Rebecca ??, and Joseph, my G, G, Grandfather married Bertha Henn. They had 7 children living at the time of the 1900 census- Alice b 1870, Laura b 1874, Emma b 1876, Helen b 1879, unknown girl's name, and my G, Grandfather James Boyd. James Boyd was a plaster contractor like his dad Joseph. When he married they had one son, Lawrence Genter Boyd who also became a plaster contractor. This was my Grandfather who was born in 1892. Lawrence Genter Boyd married Sophia who was born in Germany in 1893. They had one son, my father, born about 1919 - Lawrence Garrison Boyd. All of these Boyds lived in the Cincinnati area until my dad was stationed in Texas during WWII and married a Texas girl. I would be interested to know if you have any relationships that fit into this tree structure. The only male branches in my tree would have happened sometime in the 1810's when Joseph Sr. had three sons, James, John and then my ancestor Joseph Jr. Do you hane a James born about that time who married a Catharine Mills? Regards Gary M. Boyd, AIA Gary M. Boyd, AIA Exec. VP - 3D/I T: 713.871.7004 C: 713.294.9829 Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld -----Original Message----- From: James & Carolyn Boyd <jcbyd@cvtv.net> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed Jul 27 20:41:06 2005 Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most with east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland and > Ireland. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > > In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was made > to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King > James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". > > Most of the large estates from this time have long since passed > into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to plant > the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the > grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land once > they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by land > grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The Scottish > Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the land > with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the ancestors > of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually > unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > > Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the > Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in > those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because > large tracts of land are involved there is far more information on the > Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area in > Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > > Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter of > Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 > August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. > > Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl of > Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can be > assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name of > Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. Many of > the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but > tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have been > destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *The Petition of Ulstermen* > > Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen 1718) > to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain land in > "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. > Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William and > another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to this > country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north of > Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to > believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years 1718 > and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located at > Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > > "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, our > neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, and to > insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to > transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation upon > our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable encouragement"......... > > The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms of the > New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > > This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

Let's remember that in the earliest days of the country Ohio was Virginia On Jul 27, 2005, at 9:41 PM, James & Carolyn Boyd wrote: > How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most > with > east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM > Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland and >> Ireland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >> >> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was made >> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King >> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". >> >> Most of the large estates from this time have long since passed >> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to >> plant >> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the >> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land once >> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by land >> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The Scottish >> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the land >> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >> ancestors >> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually >> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >> >> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the >> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in >> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because >> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information on >> the >> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area in >> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >> >> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter >> of >> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 >> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. >> >> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl of >> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can be >> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name of >> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. Many >> of >> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but >> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have been >> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >> >> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen 1718) >> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain land >> in >> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. >> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William and >> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to this >> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north of >> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to >> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years >> 1718 >> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located at >> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >> >> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, our >> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, and >> to >> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to >> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation upon >> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable encouragement"......... >> >> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms of >> the >> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >> >> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

Probably very few, unless a priest or pastor buried them...they have to keep a list of their buriel & birth records, or should. It depends on the time-frame you're talking about Ana. ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > Does anyone know what records are kept of private graveyards? A > friend's wife was just buried "at home" and I'm sure her death was > recorded but not the fammily cemetery contents. > Ana Grace Boyd Foster > On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > And old Bible records are awful, in most cases. When I qualified one > > of my > > ancestors for the DAR, all I had was a very poorly written page, and > > the 1st > > name was spelled strange (1801). I thought "this isn't going to > > fly....their going to turn this down. But they didn't... > > > > I recently had my son Steve put on checking/savings at the > > bank....filled > > out the card, he signed it, gave them a copy of his driver's > > license...Steven K. Curtis. Got a statement from the bank & they had > > spelled his name Stephen. > > > > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Natalie" <natwick@comcast.net> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > > > > > >> Inscriptions on gravestones are usually what the family designates to > >> go > > on > >> them.....in spite of what records exist or do not exist. So, once > >> again....we are usually at the mercy of the person giving the > >> information....and if the engraver (mason) got it right !!! Natalie > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:19 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > >> > >> > >>> Do you know whether the records were checked against the tombstones > >>> themselves where they existed? The church records for my Gr > >>> Grandfather > >>> didn't include his name or his wife's but when I went to the > >>> graveyard > > it > >>> was clearly there. Somewhere I think I remember reading that records > > were > >>> made of graveyards where records didn't any more exist or never had. > >>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > >>> > >>>> The LDS microfilmed all of the church records in the British Isles > > years > >>>> ago. > >>>> > >>>> Of course, church records are only as accurate as the person who > >>>> wrote > >>>> the > >>>> entries....many of them were illiterate, so spellings of names can > >>>> be > >>>> wrong.....just like in early U.S. They spelled many names > >>>> phontically. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Janet Hallahan" <jhallahan@comcast.net> > >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:30 AM > >>>> Subject: RE: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Interesting! So what do we think, are the LDS records the ones for > >>>>> these churches? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>> > >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most with east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland and > Ireland. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > > In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was made > to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King > James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". > > Most of the large estates from this time have long since passed > into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to plant > the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the > grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land once > they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by land > grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The Scottish > Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the land > with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the ancestors > of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually > unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > > Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the > Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in > those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because > large tracts of land are involved there is far more information on the > Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area in > Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > > Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter of > Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 > August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. > > Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl of > Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can be > assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name of > Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. Many of > the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but > tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have been > destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *The Petition of Ulstermen* > > Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen 1718) > to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain land in > "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. > Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William and > another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to this > country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north of > Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to > believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years 1718 > and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located at > Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > > "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, our > neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, and to > insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to > transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation upon > our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable encouragement"......... > > The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms of the > New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > > This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >

Thanks for this Janet......kindest regards Halden Boyd x ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Hallahan" <jhallahan@comcast.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: RE: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > Found this on the Internet - any help? > > "St Andrew's Parish Church, Kilmarnock, was built as a chapel of ease > for the mill-workers in its vicinity in 1841. In the wake of the 1843 > Disruption, which led to the formation of the Free Church of Scotland, > they revolted and joined the Free Church in 1844 and formed a new > congregation called Free St Andrew's in Faulds Street, Kilmarnock, > depleting what was still the relatively new congregation of St Andrew's > Parish Church. At the 1929 union of churches, Free St Andrew's became > part of the Church of Scotland and became known as St Andrew's North > Church." > > Also - my ancestors are from the United Church of Scotland, any thoughts > if that is the same/different as the Free Church of Scotland? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Boyd [mailto:dboyd@duurstede.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 6:13 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > > When you search for Kilmarnock for cemetery records you get 4 sources. > > Monumental inscriptions, St Andrew Cemetery Kilmarnock Scotland : abt > 1700 - 1950 > > Monumental inscriptions, St Andrews Parish Church Kilmarnock Ayr > Scotland > > Monumental inscriptions, St Andrews Parish Church Kilmarnock > Scotland : 19-20th century > > Pre-1855 gravestone inscriptions in Kilmarnock and Loudoun district : > a summary of and index to pre 1855 gravestone > inscriptions found in burial grounds in the parishes of Dunlop > Stewarton Fenwick Kilmaurs Kilmarnock Riccarton Galson and Loudon. > > Has anyone borrowed any of these resources to know how useful they > are for Boyd ancestry? Is St Andrews the only cemetery in > Kilmarnock ? My Boyd line in Kilmarnock is associated with the Free > Church of Scotland - would they be buried at St Andrews? It can take > months to get the microfiche sent and seems a waste if they are not > actual inscriptions but simply an index. > > Thanks for any assistance! > Debbie > > > >> here is the web site for the LDS Genealogical library catalog. >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/ click on library then on family >> history catalog. You can look at places or names. Then you will >> have to find a local family history library, which should be close >> to you and order in the film or fiche. >> >> Emalu >> >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

Hi, Back in 2003 I posted a query to this list asking for help in discovering information relative to John P. BOYD, the father of my grandfather's first wife. In response, Karen provided some very helpful information. (Her response is below.) I have been a little slow in following up and checking out the information but have done so and now return with more data and more questions. I have received from NARA a copy of the widow's pension file for Francis E. (Sharp) BOYD which states she married John P. BOYD on 5 Mar 1871 in the town of Due West, Abbeville Co., SC. The application further states that John P. BOYD enlisted in Co "H" of the 1st Regiment of Pennsylvania Cavalry Volunteers on 15 Jan 1863 and was discharged 20 Aug 1865 and died 1 Apr 1902. I found John P. BOYD and his family on the 1880 census of Abbeville, Co., SC. He states that his age is 37 and that he was born in PA, his father was born in PA and his mother was born in MD. The widow's pension application was rejected because the name John P. BOYD could not be found on the muster rolls of the 1st PA Cav. Some of the forms have his name as John P. BOYD or STEWARD. I have no explanation for the dual surnames. The information which Karen provided from the Pension Index gives his rank as Lt. while the file says he was a Private. Karen says he appeared on the index to the 1890 veterans schedule. Heritage Quest has no 1890 census records for SC and my local library tells me that the 1890 veterans schedule for SC does not survive. Apparently only the index has survived. I have located John P. Boyd on the 1880 and 1900 Federal Census for Abbeville Co., SC. He gave age as 37 in 1880 and a birth date of May 1845 in 1900. Using the Heritage Quest search function, I have not been able to find this John P. Boyd/Steward on any census before 1880. I would expect him to be in PA in 1850 & 1860. He could be anywhere in 1870. The pension app. doesn't state where he enlisted 'or where he was mustered out. Searches of the on-line Soldiers and Sailors system under both Boyd and Steward have failed to turn up anyone who is likely to be this person. Can anyone tell me if it is true that there exists an 1890 US veterans census index for SC but no census detail? If it is true that the Civil War Pension Index says that John P. Boyd's rank was Lt. then perhaps there is an additional file somewhere which NARA did not send to me. Thanks in advance for any additional help. Dennis Smith > -----Original Message----- > From: bschode [mailto:bschode@neo.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:57 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ClanBoyd] Re: John P. Boyd - PA to SC - 1800s > > > Hi Dennis, > > > You may want to check the SC 1890 Veterans Schedule...as the following > is listed in the Index for that Schedule....perhaps this is your John P. > Boyd...and perhaps the Schedule will give you additional information: > > Census: > BOYD, JOHN P. > State: SC 1890 Veterans Schedule > County: Abbeville County > Township: Diamond Hill Township > ................................. > > The following is listed in the "Civil War Pension Index": > John P. Boyd > Lt. 1st PA Cav. > State Filed: South Carolina > Widow: Francis E. Boyd > Application No: 775609 > Date filed: 1902 Dec 30 > > > You may want to try to obtain his "Compiled Service Record" from NARA as > many service records contain much personal and family information > concerning a soldier and also the pension record (above) which may also > be helpful to you as many times they also contain much personal and > family information. Note: When requesting these records always request > the *complete/entire* records so that you receive all of the information > regarding a particular soldier. > > See the following NARA page for a complete explanation of the above > records, and information about obtaining both the Compiled Military > Service Record and Pension Record: > > Civil War Records > http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/military/civil_war _records.html#cmsr Obtaining the above records should provide you with an exact death date so you may also be able to locate a death certificate, obituary, and possibly a cemetery record. Since you know what year John P. Boyd's first child was born(1870) there is a very good chance that John P. Boyd and Frances E. Sharp were married in 1869 or 1870 so you may want to search for their marriage record....the following URL will give you information concerning SC vital records. You may also want to check to see if the Abbeville County Genealogical Society has any information about your John P. Boyd family. The SC GenWeb web site should have the contact information. See:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3837/ Hope something in the above is helpful to you :-) Kind Regards, Karen from Ohio, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 7/27/2005

Does anyone know what records are kept of private graveyards? A friend's wife was just buried "at home" and I'm sure her death was recorded but not the fammily cemetery contents. Ana Grace Boyd Foster On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > And old Bible records are awful, in most cases. When I qualified one > of my > ancestors for the DAR, all I had was a very poorly written page, and > the 1st > name was spelled strange (1801). I thought "this isn't going to > fly....their going to turn this down. But they didn't... > > I recently had my son Steve put on checking/savings at the > bank....filled > out the card, he signed it, gave them a copy of his driver's > license...Steven K. Curtis. Got a statement from the bank & they had > spelled his name Stephen. > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Natalie" <natwick@comcast.net> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > > >> Inscriptions on gravestones are usually what the family designates to >> go > on >> them.....in spite of what records exist or do not exist. So, once >> again....we are usually at the mercy of the person giving the >> information....and if the engraver (mason) got it right !!! Natalie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? >> >> >>> Do you know whether the records were checked against the tombstones >>> themselves where they existed? The church records for my Gr >>> Grandfather >>> didn't include his name or his wife's but when I went to the >>> graveyard > it >>> was clearly there. Somewhere I think I remember reading that records > were >>> made of graveyards where records didn't any more exist or never had. >>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >>> >>> >>> On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>>> The LDS microfilmed all of the church records in the British Isles > years >>>> ago. >>>> >>>> Of course, church records are only as accurate as the person who >>>> wrote >>>> the >>>> entries....many of them were illiterate, so spellings of names can >>>> be >>>> wrong.....just like in early U.S. They spelled many names >>>> phontically. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Janet Hallahan" <jhallahan@comcast.net> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:30 AM >>>> Subject: RE: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Interesting! So what do we think, are the LDS records the ones for >>>>> these churches? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

And old Bible records are awful, in most cases. When I qualified one of my ancestors for the DAR, all I had was a very poorly written page, and the 1st name was spelled strange (1801). I thought "this isn't going to fly....their going to turn this down. But they didn't... I recently had my son Steve put on checking/savings at the bank....filled out the card, he signed it, gave them a copy of his driver's license...Steven K. Curtis. Got a statement from the bank & they had spelled his name Stephen. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie" <natwick@comcast.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > Inscriptions on gravestones are usually what the family designates to go on > them.....in spite of what records exist or do not exist. So, once > again....we are usually at the mercy of the person giving the > information....and if the engraver (mason) got it right !!! Natalie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > > > > Do you know whether the records were checked against the tombstones > > themselves where they existed? The church records for my Gr Grandfather > > didn't include his name or his wife's but when I went to the graveyard it > > was clearly there. Somewhere I think I remember reading that records were > > made of graveyards where records didn't any more exist or never had. > > Anna Grace Boyd Foster > > > > > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > >> The LDS microfilmed all of the church records in the British Isles years > >> ago. > >> > >> Of course, church records are only as accurate as the person who wrote > >> the > >> entries....many of them were illiterate, so spellings of names can be > >> wrong.....just like in early U.S. They spelled many names phontically. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Janet Hallahan" <jhallahan@comcast.net> > >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:30 AM > >> Subject: RE: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > >> > >> > >>> Interesting! So what do we think, are the LDS records the ones for > >>> these churches? > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees > >> > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

Her answer is at the bottom of the message. :) -~ Jodie ~- -----Original Message----- From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:41 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] RE: CLANBOYD-D Digest V05 #131 Thank goodness; I thought it was just me! Anna Grace Boyd Foster On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Deborah I think you did something wrong her, we didn't see what you > were sending. > > -----Original Message----- > From: deborah tolbert [mailto:ddtolbert@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Boyd] RE: CLANBOYD-D Digest V05 #131 > > > >> From: CLANBOYD-D-request@rootsweb.com >> Reply-To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> To: CLANBOYD-D@rootsweb.com >> Subject: CLANBOYD-D Digest V05 #131 >> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:00:02 -0600 >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> CLANBOYD-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 131 >> >> Today's Topics: >> #1 Re: [Boyd] RE: CLANBOYD-D Digest V ["Jan Curtis" >> <jcurtis@infowest.com] >> #2 Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? ["Jan Curtis" >> <jcurtis@infowest.com] >> #3 Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? [agfoster@headscheme.com] >> >> Administrivia: >> To unsubscribe from CLANBOYD-D, send a message to >> >> CLANBOYD-D-request@rootsweb.com >> >> that contains in the body of the message the command >> >> unsubscribe >> >> and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your >> software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >> >> ______________________________ >> X-Message: #1 >> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:12:39 -0600 >> From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <008d01c5918f$e190a0f0$49c921d1@default> >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] RE: CLANBOYD-D Digest V05 #117 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Just delete everything below your msg. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "deborah tolbert" <ddtolbert@hotmail.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:03 PM >> Subject: [Boyd] RE: CLANBOYD-D Digest V05 #117 >> >> >>> Karen thanks for the tips on trying to find my family. >>> Judy thank you for the census info. This is my 2nd great >>> grandfather, >> from >>> Louisa. No 'late bloomer' here. :-) I find lots of info on these >> message >>> boards and I really appreciate all the help, Thanks so much. Could >> someone >>> tell me how to post a reply to this site w/o having to have this >>> whole string behind it. It is so tiresome reading and rereading the >>> same >> posts, >>> esp, when the topics are sooooo much on another track. Thanks for >>> any >> help. >>> Deborah Perkey Tolbert >> >> ______________________________ > Thanks for the reponse to my question. I had several replies and lots > of different ways to do it. I really appreciate it, because I learned > a lot. > Thanks again. > Deborah Perkey Tolbert

Inscriptions on gravestones are usually what the family designates to go on them.....in spite of what records exist or do not exist. So, once again....we are usually at the mercy of the person giving the information....and if the engraver (mason) got it right !!! Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? > Do you know whether the records were checked against the tombstones > themselves where they existed? The church records for my Gr Grandfather > didn't include his name or his wife's but when I went to the graveyard it > was clearly there. Somewhere I think I remember reading that records were > made of graveyards where records didn't any more exist or never had. > Anna Grace Boyd Foster > > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > >> The LDS microfilmed all of the church records in the British Isles years >> ago. >> >> Of course, church records are only as accurate as the person who wrote >> the >> entries....many of them were illiterate, so spellings of names can be >> wrong.....just like in early U.S. They spelled many names phontically. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Hallahan" <jhallahan@comcast.net> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:30 AM >> Subject: RE: [Boyd] Kilmarnock graveyards? >> >> >>> Interesting! So what do we think, are the LDS records the ones for >>> these churches? >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >