Hi Natalie, No I don't belong to Ancestry.com. My father-in-law might, I need to ask.That might be the right time frame, I need to see when my great grandfather was born maybe I can get closer to Jackson. There is a interesting story regarding their coming to Illinois. Supposedly they came to Illinois after the civil war and settled near Charleston, IL. The story has it that a family of brothers from Kentucky with a grudge followed them there. The story is that they found one of the Boyd's in some pool room in Charleston and there was a big shoot out. All the brothers were killed but so was the Boyd. Nothing to substantiate this though. The other part of the story is that I am not sure if Jackson made the trip to Illinois, or died in Kentucky.I don't know if his wife wasn't an Alice Boyd, I don't have a clue as to where their graves are. I do know where my great grandfather is buried. It is Mound cemetery near Oblong, IL. The same cemetery Burl Ives is buried at. He, his wife and son Frank( who was killed in a knife fight) are all buried next to each other in unmarked graves, or the marking has worn off Anyway thanks for the info, that is more than I had Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie" <natwick@comcast.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns > Jeff: Not knowing your age, I don't know what time period you are looking > for. Do you belong to Ancestry.com? Jackson L. Boyd listed in 1870 as > age 8 with A.D. Boyd and Armilda Boyd...born Kentucky (P.O. Green River, > Hart, Kentucky); Jackon Boyd listed with Rachel Boyd as head; his age 18, > born Ky (1870 Census, Meramec, Jefferson, Missouri); and there are Jackson > Boyd's listed in Floyd, Kentucky in 1880. Several genealogies are listed > for ANDREW Jackson Boy in Kentucky; couple of Jackson Boyd's listed in Ky > land Grants, Pulaski County. Natalie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Boyd" <prairie1@shawneelink.net> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns > > >>I sure am envious of the folks that can trace their family back. I don't >>have much of a clue about mine after my great grandfather. The best I have >>ever come up with is his father a "Jackson Boyd" who was born as the death >>certificate of my ggf says in " Kentucky Country" >> Jeff >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <JodieK444@aol.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:02 PM >> Subject: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns >> >> >>> Usually after they got through naming the first several children after >>> fathers and mothers, they went to aunts, uncles and brothers and >>> sisters. Although >>> not 100 percent reliable, naming patterns can really help you match up >>> your >>> families. The name "Rosannah" in my Boyd family (who migrated from >>> Newberry, SC >>> to Meriwether County, GA) carried down for several generations and went >>> with >>> the family into Georgia, Alabama and sometimes, farther west. >>> >>> Another Boyd family in Meriwether (John and Eleanor Boyd of Abbeville, >>> SC) >>> carried the family names Hannah, Adam, Ebenezer and Alexander. After >>> tracking >>> this family for several generations (both earlier and later), I came to >>> the >>> conclusion they were probably not related to my Boyds from Newberry. >>> This John >>> Boyd's estate (he died in 1836) was settled in both Meriwether and >>> Abbeville. The >>> list of names of legatees in both cases was identical. >>> >>> Another lucky break came when I was tracking Robert Boyd, b. 1791, son >>> of >>> Hugh and Jennett Boyd of Newberry, who married Chloeretta Gray. They >>> also moved >>> to Meriwether. After much research, I found that Robert's daughter, >>> Julia Boyd, >>> married Benjamin White in Meriwether and had a daughter named Chloretta. >>> That >>> sure helped me connect Julia as a child of Robert and Chloeretta. Also, >>> there >>> was a Frederick Boyd in Meriwether. Since Chloeretta's father was >>> Frederick >>> Gray, it was worth the pursuit and I later "cemented" Frederick as a son >>> of >>> Robert and Chloeretta Gray Boyd. Bible and family records from this >>> family later >>> shared by a descendant "sealed the deal." We are still trying to figure >>> out >>> where the name of "McDuffie" came from in this family. McDuffie was >>> another son >>> of Robert and Chloretta. (Chloretta is seen in at least one source as >>> "Floretta" but her mother's name was Chloeretta Dawkins Gray and the >>> Bible record >>> clearly shows Robert's wife as "Chloeretta" or "Chloretta.") Robert >>> remarried >>> twice after Chloretta's death, both times to women named Martha. Now, >>> that has led >>> me on a merry chase! >>> >>> Although it is maddening and frustrating to search through all the >>> Johns, >>> Roberts, Elizabeths and other common names, you can usually latch onto >>> one child >>> whose name is just a little different and it is well worth the research >>> time >>> to check it out. >>> >>> Judy K. in Newnan, GA >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >

And don't forget John the 2nd.....lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McMillan" <diggingupbones@cfl.rr.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [Boyd] Jr and the younger > Didn't they some times refer to them as John the younger instead of Jr? And > when did Jr become the Senior and his son become Jr? Oh boy! Do we have a > lot to worry about! > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

It can get complicated, however. My 8th gr.grandfather in VA was Anthony....he had twin boys, who were named Anthony & William. William (1764 VA), was my ancestor. He named his oldest son Anthony, and youngest son William. Anthony, his son, named his oldest son William. This Anthony had 11 children, and NOT ONE of them named one of their sons Anthony...the name kind of died out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Jones" <howard.jones@uni.edu> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Jr and the younger > YES! In fact, in the 18th century and earlier, jr. and sr. were usually > used simply to denote which was the younger and witch the elder. With all > those same names, it was really necessary, I think. > > When the modern usage confining the terms to father and son came in, I don't > know. > > Howard V. Jones > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen McMillan" <diggingupbones@cfl.rr.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:23 PM > Subject: [Boyd] Jr and the younger > > > > Didn't they some times refer to them as John the younger instead of Jr? > > And > > when did Jr become the Senior and his son become Jr? Oh boy! Do we have > > a > > lot to worry about! > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

I was lucky on the Scot side of my family...in terms of genealogy. Samuel Dunlop came over 1734, settled in Bart Township in Lancaster, VA. He brought flax seed with him. He had a 100 acre land-grant. I have his Will & land records. In his Will he referred to his land (2 cows & a horse), as his "plantation." His son William moved to West VA....my ancestor. Their family kept good family records. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McMillan" <diggingupbones@cfl.rr.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: RE: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > And a great breed they are! My husband is Scot, but can't seem to find the > one that crossed the pond. > > -----Original Message----- > From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:06 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > My Swiss/German ancestors don't seem to have been as prolific. The > Scots not only had a passel of them, they all lived! We're a tough > breed. > > On Jul 30, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Karen McMillan wrote: > > > Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a > > third or > > fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was > > also > > true in the German lineages. > > Karen in FL. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@highstream.net] > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:37 AM > > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The > > Scot > > naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop > > just > > because you've moved to Ireland or America. > > They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , > > a bad > > > > situation. > > You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage > > in your > > > > research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds > > are > > pretty good that it was used. > > > > joe Boyd Williams > > Cape Carancahua, Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > > >> It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because > >> they had > >> lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids > >> anything > >> other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and > >> the > >> daughters were named Elizabeth... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >> > >> > >>> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and > >>> a > >>> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. > >>> Anna Grace > >>> > >>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > >>> > >>>> I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) > >>>> Francis b. 1747 d.1797, > >>>> Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, > >>>> James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), > >>>> John b. 1825 d.1901, > >>>> Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 > >>>> > >>>> Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There > >>>> may > >>>> have > >>>> been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. > >>>> Jane in Ohio > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from > >>>>> Frederick, > >>>>> not far away, out of Andrew and David > >>>>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster > >>>>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> James, > >>>>>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with > >>>>>> roots > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>> Co. Md. > >>>>>> Jane in Ohio > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> > >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals > >>>>>>> most > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> Ireland. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > >>>>>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort > >>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>> made > >>>>>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. > >>>>>>>> King > >>>>>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish > >>>>>>>> problem". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since > >>>>>>>> passed > >>>>>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> plant > >>>>>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the > >>>>>>>> land > >>>>>>>> once > >>>>>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by > >>>>>>>> land > >>>>>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The > >>>>>>>> Scottish > >>>>>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the > >>>>>>>> land > >>>>>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > >>>>>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the > >>>>>>>> ancestors > >>>>>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term > >>>>>>>> virtually > >>>>>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. > >>>>>>>> Because > >>>>>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more > >>>>>>>> information > >>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > >>>>>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same > >>>>>>>> area > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > >>>>>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the > >>>>>>>> daughter > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated > >>>>>>>> 29 > >>>>>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County > >>>>>>>> Tyrone. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, > >>>>>>>> Earl > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It > >>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the > >>>>>>>> name > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. > >>>>>>>> Many > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have > >>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> --- > > > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen > >>>>>>>> 1718) > >>>>>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain > >>>>>>>> land > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New > >>>>>>>> England. > >>>>>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the > >>>>>>>> north > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the > >>>>>>>> years > >>>>>>>> 1718 > >>>>>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them > >>>>>>>> located > >>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > >>>>>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many > >>>>>>>> others, > >>>>>>>> our > >>>>>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > >>>>>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > >>>>>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > >>>>>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New > >>>>>>>> England, > >>>>>>>> and to > >>>>>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned > >>>>>>>> Plantation > >>>>>>>> upon > >>>>>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable > >>>>>>>> encouragement"......... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the > >>>>>>>> rooms > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? > >>>>>>>> db=boyd- > >>>>>>>> trees > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? > >>>>>>> db=boyd- > >>>>>>> trees > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? > >>>>>> db=boyd- > >>>>>> trees > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>>> > >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>>>> trees > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>> > >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>>> trees > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

You're right - it was a tradition. And I have certainly used it my research thru the years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Williams" <joekate@highstream.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The Scot > naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop just > because you've moved to Ireland or America. > They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , a bad > situation. > You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage in your > research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds are > pretty good that it was used. > > joe Boyd Williams > Cape Carancahua, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because they had > > lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids > > anything > > other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and the > > daughters were named Elizabeth... > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > > > > >> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and a > >> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. > >> Anna Grace > >> > >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > >> > >> > I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) > >> > Francis b. 1747 d.1797, > >> > Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, > >> > James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), > >> > John b. 1825 d.1901, > >> > Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 > >> > > >> > Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There may > >> > have > >> > been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. > >> > Jane in Ohio > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > >> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >> > > >> > > >> >> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from Frederick, > >> >> not far away, out of Andrew and David > >> >> Anna Grace Boyd Foster > >> >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> James, > >> >>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with roots > >> >>> in > >> >>> Cecil > >> >>> Co. Md. > >> >>> Jane in Ohio > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> > >> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals most > >> >>>> with > >> >>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net > >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> > >> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM > >> >>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland > >> >>>>> and > >> >>>>> Ireland. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of > >> >>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort was > >> >>>>> made > >> >>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. King > >> >>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish problem". > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since > >> >>>>> passed > >> >>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook to > >> >>>>> plant > >> >>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of the > >> >>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the land > >> >>>>> once > >> >>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by > >> >>>>> land > >> >>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The > >> >>>>> Scottish > >> >>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the > >> >>>>> land > >> >>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from > >> >>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the > >> >>>>> ancestors > >> >>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term virtually > >> >>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but the > >> >>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, in > >> >>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. Because > >> >>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more information > >> >>>>> on > >> >>>>> the > >> >>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the > >> >>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same area > >> >>>>> in > >> >>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of > >> >>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the daughter > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated 29 > >> >>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County Tyrone. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, Earl > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It can > >> >>>>> be > >> >>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the name > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. > >> >>>>> Many > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots but > >> >>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have > >> >>>>> been > >> >>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> --- > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen > >> >>>>> 1718) > >> >>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain > >> >>>>> land > >> >>>>> in > >> >>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New England. > >> >>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William > >> >>>>> and > >> >>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came to > >> >>>>> this > >> >>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the north > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason to > >> >>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the years > >> >>>>> 1718 > >> >>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them located > >> >>>>> at > >> >>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of > >> >>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many others, > >> >>>>> our > >> >>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, > >> >>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the > >> >>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right > >> >>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New England, > >> >>>>> and to > >> >>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations to > >> >>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned Plantation > >> >>>>> upon > >> >>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable > >> >>>>> encouragement"......... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the rooms > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> the > >> >>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> >>>>> RING OF BOYDS > >> >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> >>>>> trees > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> >>>> RING OF BOYDS > >> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> >>>> > >> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> >>>> trees > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> >>> > >> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> >>> trees > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> >> > >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> >> trees > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > > >> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> > trees > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

If one knows the year of arrival, and the port, are there ships lists that would name them? I've found my Palatine immigrants in 1710 but no record of those who reportedly sailed out of Glasgow

And a great breed they are! My husband is Scot, but can't seem to find the one that crossed the pond. -----Original Message----- From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:06 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds My Swiss/German ancestors don't seem to have been as prolific. The Scots not only had a passel of them, they all lived! We're a tough breed. On Jul 30, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a > third or > fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was > also > true in the German lineages. > Karen in FL. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@highstream.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:37 AM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The > Scot > naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop > just > because you've moved to Ireland or America. > They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , > a bad > > situation. > You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage > in your > > research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds > are > pretty good that it was used. > > joe Boyd Williams > Cape Carancahua, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because >> they had >> lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids >> anything >> other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and >> the >> daughters were named Elizabeth... >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >> >>> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and >>> a >>> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. >>> Anna Grace >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >>> >>>> I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) >>>> Francis b. 1747 d.1797, >>>> Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, >>>> James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), >>>> John b. 1825 d.1901, >>>> Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 >>>> >>>> Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There >>>> may >>>> have >>>> been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. >>>> Jane in Ohio >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>> >>>> >>>>> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from >>>>> Frederick, >>>>> not far away, out of Andrew and David >>>>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >>>>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> James, >>>>>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with >>>>>> roots >>>>>> in >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> Co. Md. >>>>>> Jane in Ohio >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Ireland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >>>>>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. >>>>>>>> King >>>>>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish >>>>>>>> problem". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since >>>>>>>> passed >>>>>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The >>>>>>>> Scottish >>>>>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >>>>>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >>>>>>>> ancestors >>>>>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term >>>>>>>> virtually >>>>>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. >>>>>>>> Because >>>>>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >>>>>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same >>>>>>>> area >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >>>>>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the >>>>>>>> daughter >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated >>>>>>>> 29 >>>>>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County >>>>>>>> Tyrone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, >>>>>>>> Earl >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. >>>>>>>> Many >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >>>>>>>> 1718) >>>>>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New >>>>>>>> England. >>>>>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the >>>>>>>> north >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the >>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>> 1718 >>>>>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them >>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >>>>>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many >>>>>>>> others, >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >>>>>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >>>>>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >>>>>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New >>>>>>>> England, >>>>>>>> and to >>>>>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned >>>>>>>> Plantation >>>>>>>> upon >>>>>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >>>>>>>> encouragement"......... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the >>>>>>>> rooms >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

My Swiss/German ancestors don't seem to have been as prolific. The Scots not only had a passel of them, they all lived! We're a tough breed. On Jul 30, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a > third or > fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was > also > true in the German lineages. > Karen in FL. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@highstream.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:37 AM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The > Scot > naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop > just > because you've moved to Ireland or America. > They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , > a bad > > situation. > You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage > in your > > research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds > are > pretty good that it was used. > > joe Boyd Williams > Cape Carancahua, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because >> they had >> lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids >> anything >> other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and >> the >> daughters were named Elizabeth... >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >> >>> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and >>> a >>> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. >>> Anna Grace >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >>> >>>> I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) >>>> Francis b. 1747 d.1797, >>>> Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, >>>> James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), >>>> John b. 1825 d.1901, >>>> Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 >>>> >>>> Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There >>>> may >>>> have >>>> been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. >>>> Jane in Ohio >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>> >>>> >>>>> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from >>>>> Frederick, >>>>> not far away, out of Andrew and David >>>>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >>>>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> James, >>>>>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with >>>>>> roots >>>>>> in >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> Co. Md. >>>>>> Jane in Ohio >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Ireland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >>>>>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. >>>>>>>> King >>>>>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish >>>>>>>> problem". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since >>>>>>>> passed >>>>>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The >>>>>>>> Scottish >>>>>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >>>>>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >>>>>>>> ancestors >>>>>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term >>>>>>>> virtually >>>>>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. >>>>>>>> Because >>>>>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >>>>>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same >>>>>>>> area >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >>>>>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the >>>>>>>> daughter >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated >>>>>>>> 29 >>>>>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County >>>>>>>> Tyrone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, >>>>>>>> Earl >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. >>>>>>>> Many >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >>>>>>>> 1718) >>>>>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New >>>>>>>> England. >>>>>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the >>>>>>>> north >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the >>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>> 1718 >>>>>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them >>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >>>>>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many >>>>>>>> others, >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >>>>>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >>>>>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >>>>>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New >>>>>>>> England, >>>>>>>> and to >>>>>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned >>>>>>>> Plantation >>>>>>>> upon >>>>>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >>>>>>>> encouragement"......... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the >>>>>>>> rooms >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

Didn't they some times refer to them as John the younger instead of Jr? And when did Jr become the Senior and his son become Jr? Oh boy! Do we have a lot to worry about!

YES! In fact, in the 18th century and earlier, jr. and sr. were usually used simply to denote which was the younger and witch the elder. With all those same names, it was really necessary, I think. When the modern usage confining the terms to father and son came in, I don't know. Howard V. Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McMillan" <diggingupbones@cfl.rr.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: [Boyd] Jr and the younger > Didn't they some times refer to them as John the younger instead of Jr? > And > when did Jr become the Senior and his son become Jr? Oh boy! Do we have > a > lot to worry about! > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >

When did "Juniors" become popular? On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > The Scots-Irish took the naming pattern one step further. 1st son > after the fraternal grandfather, 2nd son after the maternal > grandfather, usually the 3rd son after the father or favorite relative > and the 4th son after the fraternal grandfather, again, if that 1st > chid had died. Occasionally you will find some family not sticking to > this pattern, but for the most part they did. > > Emalu > > At 10:36 AM 7/30/05 -0400, you wrote: >> Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a >> third or >> fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was >> also >> true in the German lineages. >> Karen in FL. >> >> -----Original Message----- > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

And don't forget George Foreman and all his Georges On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > I had one family that named 3 of their children John and one Jonathan! > We > did find records where the first John died before the second and the > second > before the third, etc. This was a German family and I know they always > wanted to follow the line. However, I haven't figured out where the > Jonathan came in when there was already a John who hadn't died yet. > However, again the first ones named John were born in Germany and the > Jonathan in the US after the family got here. Wonder it the family > decided > on Jonathan or if some one said that was the correct name for John. > That > happened with my friends son. Wanted to name him Rick or Rickie and > the > registrar said no not a proper name - had to be Richard! And that was > in > 1950! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quint Hart [mailto:qhart@plmw.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:02 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > The Scots-Irish took the naming pattern one step further. 1st son > after > the fraternal grandfather, 2nd son after the maternal grandfather, > usually > the 3rd son after the father or favorite relative and the 4th son > after the > fraternal grandfather, again, if that 1st chid had died. Occasionally > you > will find some family not sticking to this pattern, but for the most > part > they did. > > Emalu > > At 10:36 AM 7/30/05 -0400, you wrote: >> Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a >> third or >> fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was >> also >> true in the German lineages. >> Karen in FL. >> >> -----Original Message----- > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

I'll bet as people began to read more they picked out names from books (I have a friend whose name is Jean Valjean because his mother loved Les Miserable--the book, not the musical) On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > In one generataion if would appear that my Boyd family did name the > first > son after the fathers father and the first daughter after the father's > mother. After that no reason for any of their children and from there > on > down no one named in the brothers and sisters even carried any of the > names! > However I did find one child who had 12 children and his 12 children > do seem > to have a middle name after the generation before. I have often > wondered if > maybe some of them just started hearing "new" names and like them and > used > them. > Karen in FL > > -----Original Message----- > From: JodieK444@aol.com [mailto:JodieK444@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:02 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns > > Usually after they got through naming the first several children after > fathers and mothers, they went to aunts, uncles and brothers and > sisters. > Although > not 100 percent reliable, naming patterns can really help you match up > your > families. The name "Rosannah" in my Boyd family (who migrated from > Newberry, > SC > to Meriwether County, GA) carried down for several generations and > went with > > the family into Georgia, Alabama and sometimes, farther west. > > Another Boyd family in Meriwether (John and Eleanor Boyd of Abbeville, > SC) > carried the family names Hannah, Adam, Ebenezer and Alexander. After > tracking > this family for several generations (both earlier and later), I came > to the > conclusion they were probably not related to my Boyds from Newberry. > This > John > Boyd's estate (he died in 1836) was settled in both Meriwether and > Abbeville. The > list of names of legatees in both cases was identical. > > Another lucky break came when I was tracking Robert Boyd, b. 1791, son > of > Hugh and Jennett Boyd of Newberry, who married Chloeretta Gray. They > also > moved > to Meriwether. After much research, I found that Robert's daughter, > Julia > Boyd, > married Benjamin White in Meriwether and had a daughter named > Chloretta. > That > sure helped me connect Julia as a child of Robert and Chloeretta. Also, > there > was a Frederick Boyd in Meriwether. Since Chloeretta's father was > Frederick > Gray, it was worth the pursuit and I later "cemented" Frederick as a > son of > Robert and Chloeretta Gray Boyd. Bible and family records from this > family > later > shared by a descendant "sealed the deal." We are still trying to > figure out > where the name of "McDuffie" came from in this family. McDuffie was > another > son > of Robert and Chloretta. (Chloretta is seen in at least one source as > "Floretta" but her mother's name was Chloeretta Dawkins Gray and the > Bible > record > clearly shows Robert's wife as "Chloeretta" or "Chloretta.") Robert > remarried > twice after Chloretta's death, both times to women named Martha. Now, > that > has led > me on a merry chase! > > Although it is maddening and frustrating to search through all the > Johns, > Roberts, Elizabeths and other common names, you can usually latch onto > one > child > whose name is just a little different and it is well worth the > research time > > to check it out. > > Judy K. in Newnan, GA > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

I had one family that named 3 of their children John and one Jonathan! We did find records where the first John died before the second and the second before the third, etc. This was a German family and I know they always wanted to follow the line. However, I haven't figured out where the Jonathan came in when there was already a John who hadn't died yet. However, again the first ones named John were born in Germany and the Jonathan in the US after the family got here. Wonder it the family decided on Jonathan or if some one said that was the correct name for John. That happened with my friends son. Wanted to name him Rick or Rickie and the registrar said no not a proper name - had to be Richard! And that was in 1950! -----Original Message----- From: Quint Hart [mailto:qhart@plmw.com] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:02 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds The Scots-Irish took the naming pattern one step further. 1st son after the fraternal grandfather, 2nd son after the maternal grandfather, usually the 3rd son after the father or favorite relative and the 4th son after the fraternal grandfather, again, if that 1st chid had died. Occasionally you will find some family not sticking to this pattern, but for the most part they did. Emalu At 10:36 AM 7/30/05 -0400, you wrote: >Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a third or >fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was also >true in the German lineages. >Karen in FL. > >-----Original Message----- ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

In one generataion if would appear that my Boyd family did name the first son after the fathers father and the first daughter after the father's mother. After that no reason for any of their children and from there on down no one named in the brothers and sisters even carried any of the names! However I did find one child who had 12 children and his 12 children do seem to have a middle name after the generation before. I have often wondered if maybe some of them just started hearing "new" names and like them and used them. Karen in FL -----Original Message----- From: JodieK444@aol.com [mailto:JodieK444@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:02 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns Usually after they got through naming the first several children after fathers and mothers, they went to aunts, uncles and brothers and sisters. Although not 100 percent reliable, naming patterns can really help you match up your families. The name "Rosannah" in my Boyd family (who migrated from Newberry, SC to Meriwether County, GA) carried down for several generations and went with the family into Georgia, Alabama and sometimes, farther west. Another Boyd family in Meriwether (John and Eleanor Boyd of Abbeville, SC) carried the family names Hannah, Adam, Ebenezer and Alexander. After tracking this family for several generations (both earlier and later), I came to the conclusion they were probably not related to my Boyds from Newberry. This John Boyd's estate (he died in 1836) was settled in both Meriwether and Abbeville. The list of names of legatees in both cases was identical. Another lucky break came when I was tracking Robert Boyd, b. 1791, son of Hugh and Jennett Boyd of Newberry, who married Chloeretta Gray. They also moved to Meriwether. After much research, I found that Robert's daughter, Julia Boyd, married Benjamin White in Meriwether and had a daughter named Chloretta. That sure helped me connect Julia as a child of Robert and Chloeretta. Also, there was a Frederick Boyd in Meriwether. Since Chloeretta's father was Frederick Gray, it was worth the pursuit and I later "cemented" Frederick as a son of Robert and Chloeretta Gray Boyd. Bible and family records from this family later shared by a descendant "sealed the deal." We are still trying to figure out where the name of "McDuffie" came from in this family. McDuffie was another son of Robert and Chloretta. (Chloretta is seen in at least one source as "Floretta" but her mother's name was Chloeretta Dawkins Gray and the Bible record clearly shows Robert's wife as "Chloeretta" or "Chloretta.") Robert remarried twice after Chloretta's death, both times to women named Martha. Now, that has led me on a merry chase! Although it is maddening and frustrating to search through all the Johns, Roberts, Elizabeths and other common names, you can usually latch onto one child whose name is just a little different and it is well worth the research time to check it out. Judy K. in Newnan, GA ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

I sure am envious of the folks that can trace their family back. I don't have much of a clue about mine after my great grandfather. The best I have ever come up with is his father a "Jackson Boyd" who was born as the death certificate of my ggf says in " Kentucky Country" Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <JodieK444@aol.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns > Usually after they got through naming the first several children after > fathers and mothers, they went to aunts, uncles and brothers and sisters. > Although > not 100 percent reliable, naming patterns can really help you match up > your > families. The name "Rosannah" in my Boyd family (who migrated from > Newberry, SC > to Meriwether County, GA) carried down for several generations and went > with > the family into Georgia, Alabama and sometimes, farther west. > > Another Boyd family in Meriwether (John and Eleanor Boyd of Abbeville, SC) > carried the family names Hannah, Adam, Ebenezer and Alexander. After > tracking > this family for several generations (both earlier and later), I came to > the > conclusion they were probably not related to my Boyds from Newberry. This > John > Boyd's estate (he died in 1836) was settled in both Meriwether and > Abbeville. The > list of names of legatees in both cases was identical. > > Another lucky break came when I was tracking Robert Boyd, b. 1791, son of > Hugh and Jennett Boyd of Newberry, who married Chloeretta Gray. They also > moved > to Meriwether. After much research, I found that Robert's daughter, Julia > Boyd, > married Benjamin White in Meriwether and had a daughter named Chloretta. > That > sure helped me connect Julia as a child of Robert and Chloeretta. Also, > there > was a Frederick Boyd in Meriwether. Since Chloeretta's father was > Frederick > Gray, it was worth the pursuit and I later "cemented" Frederick as a son > of > Robert and Chloeretta Gray Boyd. Bible and family records from this family > later > shared by a descendant "sealed the deal." We are still trying to figure > out > where the name of "McDuffie" came from in this family. McDuffie was > another son > of Robert and Chloretta. (Chloretta is seen in at least one source as > "Floretta" but her mother's name was Chloeretta Dawkins Gray and the Bible > record > clearly shows Robert's wife as "Chloeretta" or "Chloretta.") Robert > remarried > twice after Chloretta's death, both times to women named Martha. Now, that > has led > me on a merry chase! > > Although it is maddening and frustrating to search through all the Johns, > Roberts, Elizabeths and other common names, you can usually latch onto one > child > whose name is just a little different and it is well worth the research > time > to check it out. > > Judy K. in Newnan, GA > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >

Usually after they got through naming the first several children after fathers and mothers, they went to aunts, uncles and brothers and sisters. Although not 100 percent reliable, naming patterns can really help you match up your families. The name "Rosannah" in my Boyd family (who migrated from Newberry, SC to Meriwether County, GA) carried down for several generations and went with the family into Georgia, Alabama and sometimes, farther west. Another Boyd family in Meriwether (John and Eleanor Boyd of Abbeville, SC) carried the family names Hannah, Adam, Ebenezer and Alexander. After tracking this family for several generations (both earlier and later), I came to the conclusion they were probably not related to my Boyds from Newberry. This John Boyd's estate (he died in 1836) was settled in both Meriwether and Abbeville. The list of names of legatees in both cases was identical. Another lucky break came when I was tracking Robert Boyd, b. 1791, son of Hugh and Jennett Boyd of Newberry, who married Chloeretta Gray. They also moved to Meriwether. After much research, I found that Robert's daughter, Julia Boyd, married Benjamin White in Meriwether and had a daughter named Chloretta. That sure helped me connect Julia as a child of Robert and Chloeretta. Also, there was a Frederick Boyd in Meriwether. Since Chloeretta's father was Frederick Gray, it was worth the pursuit and I later "cemented" Frederick as a son of Robert and Chloeretta Gray Boyd. Bible and family records from this family later shared by a descendant "sealed the deal." We are still trying to figure out where the name of "McDuffie" came from in this family. McDuffie was another son of Robert and Chloretta. (Chloretta is seen in at least one source as "Floretta" but her mother's name was Chloeretta Dawkins Gray and the Bible record clearly shows Robert's wife as "Chloeretta" or "Chloretta.") Robert remarried twice after Chloretta's death, both times to women named Martha. Now, that has led me on a merry chase! Although it is maddening and frustrating to search through all the Johns, Roberts, Elizabeths and other common names, you can usually latch onto one child whose name is just a little different and it is well worth the research time to check it out. Judy K. in Newnan, GA

Jeff: Not knowing your age, I don't know what time period you are looking for. Do you belong to Ancestry.com? Jackson L. Boyd listed in 1870 as age 8 with A.D. Boyd and Armilda Boyd...born Kentucky (P.O. Green River, Hart, Kentucky); Jackon Boyd listed with Rachel Boyd as head; his age 18, born Ky (1870 Census, Meramec, Jefferson, Missouri); and there are Jackson Boyd's listed in Floyd, Kentucky in 1880. Several genealogies are listed for ANDREW Jackson Boy in Kentucky; couple of Jackson Boyd's listed in Ky land Grants, Pulaski County. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boyd" <prairie1@shawneelink.net> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns >I sure am envious of the folks that can trace their family back. I don't >have much of a clue about mine after my great grandfather. The best I have >ever come up with is his father a "Jackson Boyd" who was born as the death >certificate of my ggf says in " Kentucky Country" > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JodieK444@aol.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:02 PM > Subject: [Boyd] Boyd naming patterns > > >> Usually after they got through naming the first several children after >> fathers and mothers, they went to aunts, uncles and brothers and sisters. >> Although >> not 100 percent reliable, naming patterns can really help you match up >> your >> families. The name "Rosannah" in my Boyd family (who migrated from >> Newberry, SC >> to Meriwether County, GA) carried down for several generations and went >> with >> the family into Georgia, Alabama and sometimes, farther west. >> >> Another Boyd family in Meriwether (John and Eleanor Boyd of Abbeville, >> SC) >> carried the family names Hannah, Adam, Ebenezer and Alexander. After >> tracking >> this family for several generations (both earlier and later), I came to >> the >> conclusion they were probably not related to my Boyds from Newberry. This >> John >> Boyd's estate (he died in 1836) was settled in both Meriwether and >> Abbeville. The >> list of names of legatees in both cases was identical. >> >> Another lucky break came when I was tracking Robert Boyd, b. 1791, son of >> Hugh and Jennett Boyd of Newberry, who married Chloeretta Gray. They also >> moved >> to Meriwether. After much research, I found that Robert's daughter, Julia >> Boyd, >> married Benjamin White in Meriwether and had a daughter named Chloretta. >> That >> sure helped me connect Julia as a child of Robert and Chloeretta. Also, >> there >> was a Frederick Boyd in Meriwether. Since Chloeretta's father was >> Frederick >> Gray, it was worth the pursuit and I later "cemented" Frederick as a son >> of >> Robert and Chloeretta Gray Boyd. Bible and family records from this >> family later >> shared by a descendant "sealed the deal." We are still trying to figure >> out >> where the name of "McDuffie" came from in this family. McDuffie was >> another son >> of Robert and Chloretta. (Chloretta is seen in at least one source as >> "Floretta" but her mother's name was Chloeretta Dawkins Gray and the >> Bible record >> clearly shows Robert's wife as "Chloeretta" or "Chloretta.") Robert >> remarried >> twice after Chloretta's death, both times to women named Martha. Now, >> that has led >> me on a merry chase! >> >> Although it is maddening and frustrating to search through all the Johns, >> Roberts, Elizabeths and other common names, you can usually latch onto >> one child >> whose name is just a little different and it is well worth the research >> time >> to check it out. >> >> Judy K. in Newnan, GA >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

In some of the cases I know of in my own family, they were named for past generations so names were repeated for some time. They might also be named for maternal forebears. In my own family they got away from that custom in the 19thC when Asbury McKendree BOyd was named for two Methodist ministers and his son Lawrence was named for his best friend, a Mr. Lawrence in Boston who named <his> first son Boyd. Anna Grace Boyd Foster On Jul 30, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a > third or > fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was > also > true in the German lineages. > Karen in FL. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@highstream.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:37 AM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > I believe you are mistakeing mental capabilities with tradition. The > Scot > naming pattern was used generally for generations, no reason to stop > just > because you've moved to Ireland or America. > They were smart enough to remove themselves from , in most instances , > a bad > > situation. > You should take the Scot naming pattern and use it to your advantage > in your > > research. The naming pattern wasn't used 100% of the time but the odds > are > pretty good that it was used. > > joe Boyd Williams > Cape Carancahua, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Curtis" <jcurtis@infowest.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds > > >> It seems their mentality was limited back then...probably because >> they had >> lived in feudal Europe. They could barely think to name their kids >> anything >> other than the usual names....Alexander, John, William, Samuel, and >> the >> daughters were named Elizabeth... >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >> >> >>> Unfortunately there were a ton of Alexanders, Johns and Williams and >>> a >>> good many Andrews. Maryland must have been a goodo place for them. >>> Anna Grace >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >>> >>>> I descend from Alexander Boyd b. circa 1712 d.1780 (in Maryland) >>>> Francis b. 1747 d.1797, >>>> Hugh b. 1767 d. 1811, >>>> James b. 1791 d.1872 (in Ohio), >>>> John b. 1825 d.1901, >>>> Sarah b. 1859 d.1926 >>>> >>>> Alexander had a brother Francis, that he named in his will. There >>>> may >>>> have >>>> been a brother Hugh in Chester Co. PA, as well. >>>> Jane in Ohio >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>> >>>> >>>>> What line of Boyds in Maryland are you from? Mine were from >>>>> Frederick, >>>>> not far away, out of Andrew and David >>>>> Anna Grace Boyd Foster >>>>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Jane C. Grezlik wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> James, >>>>>> What Ohio Boyd's are you looking for? I am an Ohio Boyd with >>>>>> roots >>>>>> in >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> Co. Md. >>>>>> Jane in Ohio >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "James & Carolyn Boyd" <jcbyd@cvtv.net> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:41 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> How do I get off the mailing list. The site is good but deals >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> east coast boyds not ohio boyds. jcbyd@cvtv.net >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rich" <richboyd@speednetllc.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:29 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] Scottish and Irish Boyds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below shows some reasons why Boyds and other Scots left Scotland >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Ireland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Petition of Ulstermen, 1718 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the beginning of the seventeenth-century, when James VI of >>>>>>>> Scotland became James I of England, (1603) a concerted effort >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>> to settle the province of Ulster in N. Ireland with Scots. >>>>>>>> King >>>>>>>> James thought of this as one way to cure the "Irish >>>>>>>> problem". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of the large estates from this time have long since >>>>>>>> passed >>>>>>>> into other hands. Some of the Undertakers (a man who undertook >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>> the land with settlers) did not adhere to the conditions of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> grants and, therefore, lost their estates. Others sold the >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>> they had obtained title. Many more estates were created by >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> grants between 1641 and 1703, after the 1641 rebellion. The >>>>>>>> Scottish >>>>>>>> Undertakers as part of their land grants undertook to plant the >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> with settlers (or undertenants) whom they brought over from >>>>>>>> Scotland. It was mainly these tennants who became the >>>>>>>> ancestors >>>>>>>> of the ethic group known today as Scotch-Irish, a term >>>>>>>> virtually >>>>>>>> unknown in Ireland where they are known as Ulster-Scots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very little documentation survives on the Undertenants, but >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Undertakers are a different story. It must be remembered that, >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> those times land was considered more valuable than people. >>>>>>>> Because >>>>>>>> large tracts of land are involved there is far more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Undertakers. As the undertenants were brought to Ireland by the >>>>>>>> Undertakers it is obvious that many of them came from the same >>>>>>>> area >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Scotland and were his near relatives. One such undertaker was: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay: second son of the sixth Lord Boyd of >>>>>>>> Kilmarnock, Scotland. He married Grizel Cunningham, the >>>>>>>> daughter >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Alexander Cunningham on 22 October 1603. Ulster patent dated >>>>>>>> 29 >>>>>>>> August 1610: Shean 1,500 acres, Strabane Barony, County >>>>>>>> Tyrone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marion, the sister of Thomas Boyd, married James Hamilton, >>>>>>>> Earl >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Abercorn and eventually acquired Sir Thomas Boyd's estate. It >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> assumed that Thomas Boyd brought over many settlers by the >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Boyd since the surname is quite common in Northern Ireland. >>>>>>>> Many >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Boyd's in America are descended from these Ulster-Scots >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> tracing them down is another thing altogether. Many records have >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> destroyed during the centuries of civil strife in the country. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The Petition of Ulstermen* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Three hundred people signed the memorial (Petition of Ulstermen >>>>>>>> 1718) >>>>>>>> to Governor Shute, March 6, 1718 asking encourgement to obtain >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> "that very excellant and renowned plantation called New >>>>>>>> England. >>>>>>>> Five heads of the Boyd family; John, Robert, Thomas, William >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> another Thomas signed the Petition. Captain William Boyd came >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> country fourteen times bringing Scottish pioneers from the >>>>>>>> north >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Ireland, and finally located at Londonderry. There is reason >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> believe that many of the Scottish Boyds who came between the >>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>> 1718 >>>>>>>> and 1750 from Ulster were his near kin. A number of them >>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> Bristol, Maine and Londonderry, NH. The Petition begins: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We whose names are the underwritteninhabitants of ye north of >>>>>>>> Ireland doe in our own names and in the names of many >>>>>>>> others, >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> neighbors, gentlemen, ministers, farmers, and tradesmen, >>>>>>>> commisionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend the >>>>>>>> Reverand William Macasky to repair to His Excellancy the Right >>>>>>>> Honorable Colonel Samuel Suitte (Shute) Governor of New >>>>>>>> England, >>>>>>>> and to >>>>>>>> insure His Excellancy of our sincere and hearty inclinations >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> transport ourselves to that excellant and renowned >>>>>>>> Plantation >>>>>>>> upon >>>>>>>> our obtaining from his Excellancy suitable >>>>>>>> encouragement"......... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original copy of the Petition of Ulstermen hangs in the >>>>>>>> rooms >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> New Hampshire Historical Society in Concord. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This from my web site: http://clanboyd.info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

The Scots-Irish took the naming pattern one step further. 1st son after the fraternal grandfather, 2nd son after the maternal grandfather, usually the 3rd son after the father or favorite relative and the 4th son after the fraternal grandfather, again, if that 1st chid had died. Occasionally you will find some family not sticking to this pattern, but for the most part they did. Emalu At 10:36 AM 7/30/05 -0400, you wrote: >Isn't that only true with the first and second son? If they had a third or >fourth son who would they have been named after? I believe this was also >true in the German lineages. >Karen in FL. > >-----Original Message-----