I remember my Dad saying the Boyds wore the Stewart, either hunting or dress because they were a part of the Stewart clan. Someone at the Highland Games Boyd tent at Grandfather's Mt. told me the same. As to when I was a child! too long ago to count. But it was in 1976 that I bought the so-called Boyd tartan at St. Andrews. On Aug 16, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Joe Williams wrote: > When were you a child? > If the tartan looked like Royal Stewart then it probably was Royal > Stewart. A few years back Stewart tartan was available everywhere. > My kilt took almost six months for delivery because the Boyd tartan > had to be woven. It was not popular enough to keep on hand. > Technically a tartan can be any color. The thread count is what has to > be correct. > The modern Boyd tartan is again, mainly red with some blue, green and > yellow. > > If you want to see a picture go to > > www.tartans.scotland.net and type in Boyd. You will have two > choices. The Boyd family tartan is the one Lord Kilmarnock designed. > > Joe Boyd Williams > Cape Carancahua, Texas > ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> When I was a child my cousins and I had "Boyd" outfits that were much >> like the Royal Stewart tartan. >> It wasn't till I went to Scotland that I was sold the blue with >> orange stripe "Boyd Sept" tartan. >> >> On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: >> >>> Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a >>> Tartan >>> Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and >>> it >>> doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had >>> them and >>> it was red. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM >>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a >>> book >>> with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well >>> and it is clearly blue. >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: >>> >>>> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >>>> ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. >>>> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >>>> library to look up the Boyd tartans. >>>> >>>> Emalu >>>> >>>> >>>> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>>>> pieces in >>>>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>>>> different >>>>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>>>> different so >>>>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. >>>>> Interesting >>>>> the >>>>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or >>>>> something >>>>> in the >>>>> US that had one made in blue? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>>>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>> >>>>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or >>>>> jean, >>>>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread >>>>> if it >>>>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi >>>>> (India), >>>>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>>>> expensive >>>>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>>>> tweed >>>>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>>>> were >>>>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know >>>>> of. >>>>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>>>> muted >>>>> and natural in color and tone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>>>> Muhammad in >>>>>> Medina. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>>>> Ever >>>>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>>>> women...some >>>>>>>> man in >>>>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as >>>>>>>>> male >>>>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were >>>>>>>>> given >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> girls. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

The tartan ebooks show the Boyd tartan as designed in 1956. So maybe the Stewart was actually what my dad bought and grandmother made. Anyway, we surely were a cute foursome. On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Thanks, that agrees with what I have heard before too. At least part > of as > far as being a new tartan and not ancient! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@direcway.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:44 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > There was not an ancient Boyd Tartan, as a matter of fact there was no > Boyd > tartan until it was designed in the 1950's by the current Chieftains > father, > > Gilbert Allan Rowland Boyd. He assumed the title after the murder of > his > brother Josslyn Victor Hay who held both Boyd and Hay titles.The next > in > line was his sister but the Boyd title would not pass to a woman. The > younger brother Gilbert accepted the Boyd title and had his name > changed > from Hay to Boyd. > > The Boyd tartan is predominantly red but has blue, green and yellow. I > was > told when I first purchased my kilt that it was fashioned after the > Brodie > tartan with some adjustments. > > Joe Boyd Williams > I have seen what is called an ancient Boyd tartan but it is only the > modern > tartan woven with faded wool. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a >> book >> with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well >> and >> it is clearly blue. >> >> On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: >> >>> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >>> ancient, >>> battle. They can be different colors usually. >>> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >>> library > >>> to look up the Boyd tartans. >>> >>> Emalu >>> >>> >>> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>>> pieces >>>> in >>>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>>> different >>>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>>> different so >>>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>>> the >>>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or >>>> something in > >>>> the >>>> US that had one made in blue? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or >>>> jean, >>>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if >>>> it >>>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi >>>> (India), >>>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>>> expensive >>>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>>> tweed >>>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>>> were >>>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know >>>> of. >>>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>>> muted >>>> and natural in color and tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>>> Muhammad in >>>>> Medina. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>>> Ever >>>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>>> women...some >>>>>>> man in >>>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>>> to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> girls. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? >>>>>> db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

When I was a child my cousins and I had "Boyd" outfits that were much like the Royal Stewart tartan. It wasn't till I went to Scotland that I was sold the blue with orange stripe "Boyd Sept" tartan. On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a > Tartan > Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it > doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had > them and > it was red. > > -----Original Message----- > From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book > with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well > and it is clearly blue. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > >> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >> ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. >> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >> library to look up the Boyd tartans. >> >> Emalu >> >> >> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>> pieces in >>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>> different >>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>> different so >>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>> the >>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >>> in the >>> US that had one made in blue? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if >>> it >>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with >>> expensive >>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris >>> tweed >>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>> were >>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more >>> muted >>> and natural in color and tone. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>> Muhammad in >>>> Medina. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> >>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>> Ever >>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>> women...some >>>>>> man in >>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>> to >>>>>>> the >>>>>> girls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

Thanks, that agrees with what I have heard before too. At least part of as far as being a new tartan and not ancient! -----Original Message----- From: Joe Williams [mailto:joekate@direcway.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:44 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye There was not an ancient Boyd Tartan, as a matter of fact there was no Boyd tartan until it was designed in the 1950's by the current Chieftains father, Gilbert Allan Rowland Boyd. He assumed the title after the murder of his brother Josslyn Victor Hay who held both Boyd and Hay titles.The next in line was his sister but the Boyd title would not pass to a woman. The younger brother Gilbert accepted the Boyd title and had his name changed from Hay to Boyd. The Boyd tartan is predominantly red but has blue, green and yellow. I was told when I first purchased my kilt that it was fashioned after the Brodie tartan with some adjustments. Joe Boyd Williams I have seen what is called an ancient Boyd tartan but it is only the modern tartan woven with faded wool. ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book > with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well and > it is clearly blue. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > >> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, ancient, >> battle. They can be different colors usually. >> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy library >> to look up the Boyd tartans. >> >> Emalu >> >> >> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces >>> in >>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>> different >>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>> different so >>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>> the >>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in >>> the >>> US that had one made in blue? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were >>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >>> and natural in color and tone. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>> > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>> > Muhammad in >>> > Medina. >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> > >>> > >>> >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>> Ever >>> >> read "The Red Tent"? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>> women...some >>> >>> man in >>> >>> the Middle East? >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>> >>>> offspring >>> >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>> >>>> blankets, >>> >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>> to >>> >>>> the >>> >>> girls. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Emalu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >>>> trees >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >> >>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >> trees >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> > RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> > >>> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> > trees >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a Tartan Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had them and it was red. -----Original Message----- From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well and it is clearly blue. On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, > ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. > I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy > library to look up the Boyd tartans. > > Emalu > > > At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >> pieces in >> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >> different >> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >> different so >> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >> the >> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >> in the >> US that had one made in blue? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >> were >> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >> and natural in color and tone. >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >> > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >> > Muhammad in >> > Medina. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> > >> > >> >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >> Ever >> >> read "The Red Tent"? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >> >> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >> women...some >> >>> man in >> >>> the Middle East? >> >>> >> >>> Jan >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >> >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >> >>>> >> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >> >>>> offspring >> >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >> >>>> blankets, >> >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >> to >> >>>> the >> >>> girls. >> >>>> >> >>>> Emalu >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>>> trees >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>> RING OF BOYDS >> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>> >> >>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>> trees >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >> RING OF BOYDS >> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >> trees >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> > RING OF BOYDS >> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> > >> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> > trees >> > >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

When were you a child? If the tartan looked like Royal Stewart then it probably was Royal Stewart. A few years back Stewart tartan was available everywhere. My kilt took almost six months for delivery because the Boyd tartan had to be woven. It was not popular enough to keep on hand. Technically a tartan can be any color. The thread count is what has to be correct. The modern Boyd tartan is again, mainly red with some blue, green and yellow. If you want to see a picture go to www.tartans.scotland.net and type in Boyd. You will have two choices. The Boyd family tartan is the one Lord Kilmarnock designed. Joe Boyd Williams Cape Carancahua, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > When I was a child my cousins and I had "Boyd" outfits that were much > like the Royal Stewart tartan. > It wasn't till I went to Scotland that I was sold the blue with orange > stripe "Boyd Sept" tartan. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Karen McMillan wrote: > >> Did you see the one from Rich that said no blue tartans? I have a >> Tartan >> Book by Robert Bain called "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and it >> doesn't show a Boyd tartan at all, but when we were there they had them >> and >> it was red. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:38 PM >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book >> with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well >> and it is clearly blue. >> >> On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: >> >>> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, >>> ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. >>> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy >>> library to look up the Boyd tartans. >>> >>> Emalu >>> >>> >>> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >>>> pieces in >>>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>>> different >>>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>>> different so >>>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>>> the >>>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >>>> in the >>>> US that had one made in blue? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >>>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >>>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >>>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >>>> were >>>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >>>> and natural in color and tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>>>> Muhammad in >>>>> Medina. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>>> Ever >>>>>> read "The Red Tent"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>>> women...some >>>>>>> man in >>>>>>> the Middle East? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>>>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>>>> offspring >>>>>>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>>>> blankets, >>>>>>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>>> to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> girls. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emalu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>>>>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>>> trees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>>> trees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>>> >>>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>> trees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>> trees >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

There was not an ancient Boyd Tartan, as a matter of fact there was no Boyd tartan until it was designed in the 1950's by the current Chieftains father, Gilbert Allan Rowland Boyd. He assumed the title after the murder of his brother Josslyn Victor Hay who held both Boyd and Hay titles.The next in line was his sister but the Boyd title would not pass to a woman. The younger brother Gilbert accepted the Boyd title and had his name changed from Hay to Boyd. The Boyd tartan is predominantly red but has blue, green and yellow. I was told when I first purchased my kilt that it was fashioned after the Brodie tartan with some adjustments. Joe Boyd Williams I have seen what is called an ancient Boyd tartan but it is only the modern tartan woven with faded wool. ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book > with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well and > it is clearly blue. > > On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > >> Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, ancient, >> battle. They can be different colors usually. >> I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy library >> to look up the Boyd tartans. >> >> Emalu >> >> >> At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >>> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces >>> in >>> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >>> different >>> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >>> different so >>> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >>> the >>> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in >>> the >>> US that had one made in blue? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >>> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >>> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >>> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >>> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >>> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >>> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were >>> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >>> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >>> and natural in color and tone. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>> > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>> > Muhammad in >>> > Medina. >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >>> > >>> > >>> >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >>> Ever >>> >> read "The Red Tent"? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >>> women...some >>> >>> man in >>> >>> the Middle East? >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>> >>>> offspring >>> >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>> >>>> blankets, >>> >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >>> to >>> >>>> the >>> >>> girls. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Emalu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >>>> trees >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >>> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> >> RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >> >>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> >> trees >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> > RING OF BOYDS >>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> > >>> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> > trees >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- trees >> > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > >

Well it's interesting that the St. Andrew's woolen warehouse had a book with the Boyd tartan in it and I have seen it in other books as well and it is clearly blue. On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Quint Hart wrote: > Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, > ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. > I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy > library to look up the Boyd tartans. > > Emalu > > > At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >> The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several >> pieces in >> Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out >> different >> according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look >> different so >> maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting >> the >> Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something >> in the >> US that had one made in blue? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >> To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >> as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >> was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >> and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >> dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >> e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they >> were >> earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >> How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >> and natural in color and tone. >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >> > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >> > Muhammad in >> > Medina. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> > >> > >> >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. >> Ever >> >> read "The Red Tent"? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >> >> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than >> women...some >> >>> man in >> >>> the Middle East? >> >>> >> >>> Jan >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >> >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >> >>>> >> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >> >>>> offspring >> >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >> >>>> blankets, >> >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given >> to >> >>>> the >> >>> girls. >> >>>> >> >>>> Emalu >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>>> RING OF BOYDS >> >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>>> trees >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >>> RING OF BOYDS >> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>> >> >>> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >>> trees >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> >> RING OF BOYDS >> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> >> trees >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> > RING OF BOYDS >> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> > >> > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> > trees >> > >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

Thanks, I thought that was strange that one would have been invented in the US! -----Original Message----- From: Rich [mailto:richboyd@speednetllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:17 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye There is no blue Boyd tartan. Rich Clan Boyd Society http://clanboyd.info Karen McMillan wrote: >The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces in >Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out different >according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look different so >maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting the >Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in the >US that had one made in blue? > >-----Original Message----- >From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > >I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were >earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >and natural in color and tone. > > >On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > >>No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>Muhammad in >>Medina. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> >> >> >>>It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever >>>read "The Red Tent"? >>> >>> >>>On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some >>>>man in >>>>the Middle East? >>>> >>>>Jan >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>> >>>>>blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>offspring >>>>>were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>blankets, >>>>>clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>girls. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Emalu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>RING OF BOYDS >>>>>http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>trees >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>trees >> >> >> > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

There is no blue Boyd tartan. Rich Clan Boyd Society http://clanboyd.info Karen McMillan wrote: >The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces in >Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out different >according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look different so >maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting the >Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in the >US that had one made in blue? > >-----Original Message----- >From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > >I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were >earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >and natural in color and tone. > > >On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > >>No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout >>Muhammad in >>Medina. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> >>To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye >> >> >> >> >>>It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever >>>read "The Red Tent"? >>> >>> >>>On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some >>>>man in >>>>the Middle East? >>>> >>>>Jan >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>>>To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>>> >>>>>blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>>>offspring >>>>>were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>>>blankets, >>>>>clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>girls. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Emalu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>>RING OF BOYDS >>>>>http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>>> >>>>>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>>trees >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>>RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>>trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>trees >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>trees >> >> >> > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > > >

The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces in Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out different according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look different so maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting the Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in the US that had one made in blue? -----Original Message----- From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted and natural in color and tone. On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout > Muhammad in > Medina. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever >> read "The Red Tent"? >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some >>> man in >>> the Middle East? >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>> offspring >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>> blankets, >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to >>>> the >>> girls. >>>> >>>> Emalu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

Remember most Clans have at least 2 different Tartans. Dress, ancient, battle. They can be different colors usually. I'll try to get time Thursday while I'm working at the genealogy library to look up the Boyd tartans. Emalu At 12:59 PM 8/16/05 -0400, you wrote: >The early Tartans were made from Plant dyes. We bought several pieces in >Scotland - all the same Clan (not Boyd) and the colors turned out different >according to what material they were on. The ones on wool look different so >maybe the ones made from flax also came out different. Interesting the >Boyd tartan being red. Isn't there also a Boyd society or something in the >US that had one made in blue? > >-----Original Message----- >From: agfoster@headscheme.com [mailto:agfoster@headscheme.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:28 AM >To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > >I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, >as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it >was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), >and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive >dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed >e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were >earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. >How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted >and natural in color and tone. > > >On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout > > Muhammad in > > Medina. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > > > > >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever > >> read "The Red Tent"? > >> > >> > >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > >> > >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some > >>> man in > >>> the Middle East? > >>> > >>> Jan > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> > >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM > >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye > >>> > >>> > >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. > >>>> > >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male > >>>> offspring > >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue > >>>> blankets, > >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to > >>>> the > >>> girls. > >>>> > >>>> Emalu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>>> RING OF BOYDS > >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>>> > >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>>> trees > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >>> > >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >>> trees > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > >==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

I don't understand why the work clothes cloth, a tough denim or jean, as it was known even in the 1700s, was woven out of blue thread if it was so precious. In many cultures, homespun(American), khadi (India), and others were either not dyed at all or certainly not with expensive dyes. Scotland has a long history of weaving (Paisley and Harris tweed e.g.) so it must also have dyes. If it's like other cultures, they were earth natural dyes. There aren't' many blues in those that I know of. How about the tartan colors? The really early ones are much more muted and natural in color and tone. On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout > Muhammad in > Medina. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever >> read "The Red Tent"? >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some >>> man in >>> the Middle East? >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>> offspring >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>> blankets, >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to >>>> the >>> girls. >>>> >>>> Emalu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

If all you Boyds are like my passel you have minds that are constantly curious about every and anything. It appears to have been a characteristic of the line for as far back as I have gotten. On Aug 16, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Karen McMillan wrote: > Some how - and I am not sure its all meaningful, but I am learning a > little > more about the ClanBoyd's thinking! But the trivia is interesting! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Curtis [mailto:jcurtis@infowest.com] > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:56 PM > To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout > Muhammad in > Medina. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever >> read "The Red Tent"? >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: >> >>> LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some >>> man in >>> the Middle East? >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> >>> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM >>> Subject: [Boyd] blue dye >>> >>> >>>> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >>>> >>>> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >>>> offspring >>>> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue >>>> blankets, >>>> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to >>>> the >>> girls. >>>> >>>> Emalu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>>> RING OF BOYDS >>>> http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>>> >>>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>>> trees >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >>> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >>> >>> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >>> trees >>> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

Some how - and I am not sure its all meaningful, but I am learning a little more about the ClanBoyd's thinking! But the trivia is interesting! -----Original Message----- From: Jan Curtis [mailto:jcurtis@infowest.com] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:56 PM To: CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout Muhammad in Medina. ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever > read "The Red Tent"? > > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some > > man in > > the Middle East? > > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM > > Subject: [Boyd] blue dye > > > > > >> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. > >> > >> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male > >> offspring > >> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue blankets, > >> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to > >> the > > girls. > >> > >> Emalu > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees

In Biblical time blue dye was taken from an animal known as the chilazon. It is a boneless invertebrate, having a shell that grows with it. In ancient times, animals such as these were renowned for their dyes (Pliny 9:60,61). The Bible commands that a blue string be worn on the corners of the Israelites' prayer shawls, a blue dyed with this extract. The dye is removed from a cyst near the head of the snail, preferably while the animal is still alive. It is boiled with alum as a clarifyer to produce the dye. Only a few drops of dye could be obtained from each snail, and acc ording to one modern researcher, over 8000 snails would be needed to make a single cubic centimeter of the dye. This explains its high cost and its restriction to royalty. Thus the term "blue blood." John from Arkansas

It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever read "The Red Tent"? On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some > man in > the Middle East? > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM > Subject: [Boyd] blue dye > > >> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. >> >> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male >> offspring >> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue blankets, >> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to >> the > girls. >> >> Emalu >> >> >> >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- >> trees >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > trees >

No, but I've traveled the Middle East, and I've read a lot obout Muhammad in Medina. ----- Original Message ----- From: <agfoster@headscheme.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Boyd] blue dye > It appears to have been a quaint Judeo Christian Muslim concept. Ever > read "The Red Tent"? > > > On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Jan Curtis wrote: > > > LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some > > man in > > the Middle East? > > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> > > To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM > > Subject: [Boyd] blue dye > > > > > >> Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. > >> > >> blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male > >> offspring > >> were considered more valuable than female they got the blue blankets, > >> clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to > >> the > > girls. > >> > >> Emalu > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > >> RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > >> > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > >> trees > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd- > > trees > > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

LOL - who came up with the idea that men are better than women...some man in the Middle East? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quint Hart" <qhart@plmw.com> To: <CLANBOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: [Boyd] blue dye > Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. > > blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male offspring > were considered more valuable than female they got the blue blankets, > clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to the girls. > > Emalu > > > > ==== CLANBOYD Mailing List ==== > RING OF BOYDS http://k.webring.com/wrman?ring=clanboydwebring&addsite > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=boyd-trees > > >

Guess I'll jump in on the blue color. blue was harder to obtain and more expensive. So ----- as male offspring were considered more valuable than female they got the blue blankets, clothes, etc, while the easier, cheaper pink colors were given to the girls. Emalu