Bruce, I spent an hour or so, this afternoon trying to find my Naming Pattern details, for Scotland and Ireland and other counties. Without any luck There is an naming pattern used in Scotland. But that is "upset" when one of the children die and the name is re-used. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shields Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name I do not know the cultural origins of the Scottish Naming Pattern. I suspect it is extremely old, far predating Christian cultures. I am aware that analogous patterns exist in other European cultures. My son worked for agricultural extension in remote areas of Mali, West Africa. Nominally Muslim, they still maintained a standing stone dedicated to ancestors in a remote grove of trees which were never harvested. Following the birth of a child, they held some sort of naming ceremony involving placing blood as an offering to sanctify the name of that child, and pray that one of the ancestors would sponsor that child’s existence. I have at least two clear instances of re-using names following death of an infant in my own direct Shields line. My great grandfather’s uncle John Shields lived beside Loudoun Castle. He married Jean Young, a neighbor at Loudoun Altoun. His first child, born 1812, was William (paternal grandfather’s name). This William Shields died early in 1831. Late in 1831, Jean Young Shields gave birth to their 9th child, named William Shields. That is amply documented. I find a couple more instances of that in the next generation. But following 1850, family size begins to shrink dramatically — and I find no further instances of “filling in the grid.” But that fact baffled the earliest genealogist to work on that family. > On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Steve Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike > > I must comment on point 5 below. > > Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not > uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. > If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child > died before the second was born. > Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in some > sort of commemoration of the first child. > It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before the > age of about five. > > In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. > James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John born > in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . > I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. > > I thought this information might be useful to you. > > Steve Boyd > Melton, Victoria, Australia > > > Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 > > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married > > John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, > > PA > > To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Dave and List > > > ..............snip........... > > > > >In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – > >1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland > >2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in 1692 > >with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But I > >have not seen any hard evidence either way. > >3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, > >Stirlingshire in 1691 > >4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 > >January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. > >5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John > >Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would name > >two sons “John”. > > > ..............snip........... > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected] _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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Mike and others- I have a question I've been busy for the last couple of days so haven't been following this link. However.....You talk about p. 198 - Landowners, *E. Nottingham*, 1772: Andrew Boyd. Would this (E). Nottingham reference have anything to do with Nottingham, UK? I said this just before I googled "Nottingham and Boyd families" and when I did a lot of references came up about different Boyd families! One link caught my eye - *You could inherit a fortune if you live in Notts and have one of these surnames - *There are unclaimed estates for all these 131 different surnames -Clive Richard *Boyd*, born 11/09/1933 in Nottingham, died 30/12/2006 in Nottingham ( https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/you-could-inherit-fortune-you-657128 ). Kimberley, Nottinghamshire Genealogy - FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Gene... <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Genealogy>Guide to Kimberley, Nottinghamshire ancestry, family history and genealogy: ... BOYD = England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850 (FindMyPast) - free. GENUKI: Nottinghamshire https://www.genuki.org.uk › big › eng › NTT <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT>28 Aug 2019 - The Society of Genealogists' also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index accessible online via the website. ... The Nottingham Family History Society sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages ... Church Records - Ted Wildy's UK Marriage witness index <https://www.genuki.org.uk/mwi> entries for Nottinghamshire are no longer avaialble on the internet (2015)but may be become so on Genealogy Britain <http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/index.php/faqs-mainmenu-26/genealogy-faqs/wildymwi> - List of the Society of Genealogists' holdings <http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records> of Parish Registers for Nottinghamshire. - The Society of Genealogists' <http://www.sog.org.uk/> also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index accessible online via the website. - Information of the location of Quaker Records in Nottinghamshire <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm> - this leads to http://sites.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm provided by the Quaker FHS <http://www.qfhs.co.uk/>. This site leads to http://www.qfhs.co.uk/ - The Nottingham Family History Society <https://nottsfhs.org/> sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages and burials. ReferenceNo <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=AltRefNo&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> Level <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Level&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> Title <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Title&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> Date <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Date&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> 1 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DC/BI/4/1/3689 File Screveton: St Deny's, Lodge Lane 18 Jun 1957 2 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=1&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1352/3/1-5 Item Boyd Neel Orchestra 1948 - 1954 3 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=2&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1392/103 File Some pages of my life 1911 4 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=3&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1781 Collection DENTAL PRACTICE OF J W BOYD, 28 STATION ROAD, CARLTON 1924 - 1969 5 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=4&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1781/1/2 File Monthly treatment costs for each patient 1949 - 1957 6 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=5&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/2178/3/2 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from 'Elsie' re news at home (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor) nd [c 1946] 7 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=6&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/2178/3/3 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from mother, Mrs J Boyd, giving news of family (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor). nd [c 1946] 8 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/2619/1/2 File Notebook entitled 'Records and Notes of RJ Raines, 1944 - 1946' 10 Jun 1944 - 26 Apr 1946 9 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=8&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/BMWG/1/1/3/21 File Black Panthers for Beginners by Herb Boyd 1995 10 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=9&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/BMWG/1/15/48 File The African Origin of Christianity by Paul C Boyd 1991 - If you are looking for Methodist ancestors, start with a visit to The Methodist Heritage site. - There is also the Joiner Marriage Index <http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/marriage-records/Nottinghamshire/> for Nottinghamshire. Nottinghamshire Archives County House Castle Meadow Road Nottingham NG2 1AG Have you ever heard of Boyd's Marriage Index??? What about the Joiner Marriage Index? Debbie On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 07:38, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > S6 Mary Boyd, b 14/7/1736 ( , Chester Co. PA), d 1808 > ( ,Chester Co.), bu , m after 1768, Andrew > Boyd, of New London, PA, son of Robert and Jennet (nee ) > Boyd, > bc 17xx ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu > , and had issue:- ? [NEED TO SHOW THIS FAMILY AS SEPARATE CHAPTER - BOYD > OF > NEW LONDON, PA] > [Lived: ] > > - Andrew might have married first on 12/2/1761, Sarah Barnet at First > Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia (could this mean he was Part of the > Boyds > of Philadelphia [Ch 2/107]) > > the late Howard Valance Jones [HVJ] has provided the following > information:- > There is much possibility of confusion here with [Col.] Andrew Boyd (S8 - > see below), son of Rev Adam Boyd (R2). Probably the military service > usually credited to Mary's husband's cousin, Andrew, son of John, later of > Maury Co., TN, belongs to Mary's brother (S8) who died in Chester Co. in > 1786. > > There appears to be several other Andrew Boyd's in this area at this time > which as added to the confusion with the above 2 Andrew's:- > > Chester Co. tax lists show an Andrew, freeman (over 21 and unmarried) in > Sadsbury Twp., 1756-1759 [Mary's brother would have been only 16 in 1756]. > > More definitely this Andrew is the one in E. Nottingham Twp., 1762-1764, > with 100 acres, 1 grist mill, 4 horses, 4 cattle, a merchant miller and > singleman. > > There is also an Andrew Boyd in E. Nottingham Twp. 1787-1797, with 116 > acres, 1 brick house, log barn, 1 grist mill, 2 horses, 6 cattle. > > The marriage [of Mary and Andrew Boyd] seems to be quite autumnal, since > Mary was still unmarried in 1768 [at the time of the death of her father] > and already 32 years old. > > From History of Chester Co, Pennsylvania, Futhey & Cope, 18??,:- > > p. 57 - 18 Aug. 1759. Wagons furnished General Stanwix: one by Andrew > Boyd, > W. Nottingham > > p. 111 - 1777. Sub-lieutenants of the County include Andrew Boyd [Mary's > brother was already a colonel.] > > p. 198 - Landowners, E. Nottingham, 1772: Andrew Boyd > > (James Curran's note: Don't know what to make of this next entry. Mary's > brother did not have a son Andrew and HVJ doesn't show a son named Andrew > for her so it would seem he is not too certain of this information. So > who > is Andrew, Jr.??? If he is a son, he would have to be a son of a wife of > Andrew, Sr., previous to Mary Boyd, poss. Sarah Barnet.) > > p. 377 - 1777, 1778 Tax Assessors - Andrew Boyd, Sr., Andrew Boyd, Jr > > Chester Co., DB Q-2, 445. 15 May 1798. James Johnstone, New London, to > Andrew Boyd, E. Nottingham, 6 acres. Rec. 21 Feb. 1799 > > Chester Co., PA, WB 54. 47. Will of Andrew Boyd, East Nottingham, 23 Jan. > 1808, pr 4 Feb. 1808. Wife Mary. Sons John and James, Excrs: sons. > Wits.: > Walter Finney, John McDowell > > T1 John Boyd, b 177x ( ), d 18xx > ( ), bu , m ? > [Lived: ] > > T2 James Boyd, b 17xx ( ), d 18xx > ( ), bu , m ? > [Lived: ] > > T3 poss. Andrew Boyd, Jr., b 17xx ( ), d 18xx > ( ), bu m ? > [Lived: ] > > I have posted this information to the list to help stop any “confusion” > between those that are “direct” male descendants of Rev Adam Boyd’s son > Andrew and his son-in-law’s Andrew Boyd and husband of his daughter Mary > Boyd. > > This was also the Mary Boyd, born in 1736, that Kenneth Fenell, thought he > was descendant from, but it seems more likely that it was a daughter of > Captain Robert Boyd of Cumberland Valley, PA. > > And if there are any descendants of this family, I would like to hear form > you please. > > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Brooks > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 12:31 PM > To: clanboyd > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor > > There is a living male line of the Rev. Adam if this families online > profile is correct. The line is this: > Rev. Adam1- Col. Andrew Boyd2- James Boyd3 (b1785)- Andrew Reed Boyd4- > (b1825)- to Robert Friend Boyd born circa 1928- died April 7, 2018. 3 sons > and 1 daughter with 13 grandchildren and 5 great grandchildren. Died in > Norfolk, Virginia, Family lives in southern Virginia region. Obit is > online. > > So we have one male line at least. Anyone in VA able to reach out and try > to make a call? Places for sons are Norfolk, Cape Charles and Virginia > Beach, VA. At least one is a lawyer. > > -- > Colin Brooks > The 1718 Project > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family S6 Mary Boyd, b 14/7/1736 ( , Chester Co. PA), d 1808 ( ,Chester Co.), bu , m after 1768, Andrew Boyd, of New London, PA, son of Robert and Jennet (nee ) Boyd, bc 17xx ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- ? [NEED TO SHOW THIS FAMILY AS SEPARATE CHAPTER - BOYD OF NEW LONDON, PA] [Lived: ] - Andrew might have married first on 12/2/1761, Sarah Barnet at First Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia (could this mean he was Part of the Boyds of Philadelphia [Ch 2/107]) the late Howard Valance Jones [HVJ] has provided the following information:- There is much possibility of confusion here with [Col.] Andrew Boyd (S8 - see below), son of Rev Adam Boyd (R2). Probably the military service usually credited to Mary's husband's cousin, Andrew, son of John, later of Maury Co., TN, belongs to Mary's brother (S8) who died in Chester Co. in 1786. There appears to be several other Andrew Boyd's in this area at this time which as added to the confusion with the above 2 Andrew's:- Chester Co. tax lists show an Andrew, freeman (over 21 and unmarried) in Sadsbury Twp., 1756-1759 [Mary's brother would have been only 16 in 1756]. More definitely this Andrew is the one in E. Nottingham Twp., 1762-1764, with 100 acres, 1 grist mill, 4 horses, 4 cattle, a merchant miller and singleman. There is also an Andrew Boyd in E. Nottingham Twp. 1787-1797, with 116 acres, 1 brick house, log barn, 1 grist mill, 2 horses, 6 cattle. The marriage [of Mary and Andrew Boyd] seems to be quite autumnal, since Mary was still unmarried in 1768 [at the time of the death of her father] and already 32 years old. From History of Chester Co, Pennsylvania, Futhey & Cope, 18??,:- p. 57 - 18 Aug. 1759. Wagons furnished General Stanwix: one by Andrew Boyd, W. Nottingham p. 111 - 1777. Sub-lieutenants of the County include Andrew Boyd [Mary's brother was already a colonel.] p. 198 - Landowners, E. Nottingham, 1772: Andrew Boyd (James Curran's note: Don't know what to make of this next entry. Mary's brother did not have a son Andrew and HVJ doesn't show a son named Andrew for her so it would seem he is not too certain of this information. So who is Andrew, Jr.??? If he is a son, he would have to be a son of a wife of Andrew, Sr., previous to Mary Boyd, poss. Sarah Barnet.) p. 377 - 1777, 1778 Tax Assessors - Andrew Boyd, Sr., Andrew Boyd, Jr Chester Co., DB Q-2, 445. 15 May 1798. James Johnstone, New London, to Andrew Boyd, E. Nottingham, 6 acres. Rec. 21 Feb. 1799 Chester Co., PA, WB 54. 47. Will of Andrew Boyd, East Nottingham, 23 Jan. 1808, pr 4 Feb. 1808. Wife Mary. Sons John and James, Excrs: sons. Wits.: Walter Finney, John McDowell T1 John Boyd, b 177x ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu , m ? [Lived: ] T2 James Boyd, b 17xx ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu , m ? [Lived: ] T3 poss. Andrew Boyd, Jr., b 17xx ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu m ? [Lived: ] I have posted this information to the list to help stop any “confusion” between those that are “direct” male descendants of Rev Adam Boyd’s son Andrew and his son-in-law’s Andrew Boyd and husband of his daughter Mary Boyd. This was also the Mary Boyd, born in 1736, that Kenneth Fenell, thought he was descendant from, but it seems more likely that it was a daughter of Captain Robert Boyd of Cumberland Valley, PA. And if there are any descendants of this family, I would like to hear form you please. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust -----Original Message----- From: Colin Brooks Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 12:31 PM To: clanboyd Subject: [CLANBOYD] Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor There is a living male line of the Rev. Adam if this families online profile is correct. The line is this: Rev. Adam1- Col. Andrew Boyd2- James Boyd3 (b1785)- Andrew Reed Boyd4- (b1825)- to Robert Friend Boyd born circa 1928- died April 7, 2018. 3 sons and 1 daughter with 13 grandchildren and 5 great grandchildren. Died in Norfolk, Virginia, Family lives in southern Virginia region. Obit is online. So we have one male line at least. Anyone in VA able to reach out and try to make a call? Places for sons are Norfolk, Cape Charles and Virginia Beach, VA. At least one is a lawyer. -- Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected]

The Direct male line of Colonel Andrew Boyd, son of Rev Adam Boyd of Parkesburg, PA Thank you for this advice, Colin. This family had two Andrew Boyds. One was the eighth child and the other was the husband of his sister Mary Boyd, who married Andrew Boyd of New London, PA, son of Robert and Jennet Boyd. S6 Mary Boyd, b 14/7/1736 ( , Chester Co. PA), d 1808 ( ,Chester Co.), bu , m after 1768, Andrew Boyd, of New London, PA, son of Robert and Jennet (nee ) Boyd, bc 17xx ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- ? [Lived: ] The known details of this Colonel Andrew Reed Boyd line are – S8 Andrew Reed Boyd, b 20/10/1740 ( , Chester Co., PA), d 23/3/1786 ( ), bu Upper Octorara Church Cemetery, Chester Co. PA, m 17/2/1780 ( ), Jane Whitehill, dau of James and Abigail (nee Miller) Whitehill, b 1/7/1756 ( ), d 13/7/1836 ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - Colonel in the Revolution, acted as commissary for Chester Co. for nearly the entire Revolution. From One Hundred and Fiftieth Anniversary of the Upper Octorara Church, J. Smith Futhey, 1870:- "Andrew remained upon the homestead [Octorara]; was active during the war of the revolution, held a commission as Colonel, and was for a time Lieutenant of the county of Chester. His duties in this office, were, to call out, equip and forward troops as they were needed, and to have general oversight within the county, of supplying and maintaining the army in the field. His appointment to such a position shows the estimation in which he was held. " T4 James Boyd, b 9/3/1785 ( , Chester Co., PA), d 8/11/1852 ( ), bu Cabin Point Brick church Cemetery, Surry Co., VA, m 13/4/1820 ( , ), Elizabeth Gault, dau of and (nee ) Gault, b 17xx ( ), d 18xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: Va ] - had 8 children, only 2 sons survived to have families. In 1841, moved with family to Prince George Co., Va., and settled on land on Chippokes Creek. Move made because of "bronicial trouble." In 1843, bought land at Chippokes Creek. In 1851, sold Prince George Co. land to a Mr. Armistead. U1 Andrew Reed Boyd, b 182x ( ,PA), d /1/1865 (near Petersburg), bu , m 3/7/1851, Nancy Gray, of Surry Co., VA, dau of and (nee ) Gray, b 18xx, d 18xx, bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - 7 children only 1 son survives to have family - did any dau's marry? V2 Joseph Andrew Boyd, b 17/1/1857 ( , Petersburg, VA), d 19xx ( ), bu , m 1883 ( , ), Christie Annie Livesay, dau of and (nee ) Livesay, b 18xx ( ), d 19xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] W1 Herbert Reed Boyd, b 21/3/1887 (Petersburg, VA), d / /19xx ( ), bu , m 24/6/1919 ( ), Eula Jesse Arnold, of Pittsburgh, PA, dau of and (nee ) Arnold, b / /18xx ( ), d / /19xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - grad. 1912, Univ. College of Medicine in dentistry. 1917-18, service at Ft Eustis, VA as dentist X1 Herbert Reed Boyd, Jr., b 15/9/1925 ( ), m 5/8/1950 ( , ), Beverly Jane Lackey, dau of and (nee ) Lackey, b / /19xx ( , Norfolk, VA), and had issue:- [Lived: ] - Graduated 1948 Medical College of Virginia School of Dentistry. Served at Camp Stoneman, CA & Fort Lee, VA as dentist. And I have two sons listed for him X3 son Boyd, b 192x ( ), m ? [Lived: ] - It would seem that this un-named son is “Robert Friend Boyd born circa 1928- died April 7, 2018.” So, there are also male sons of Herbert Reed Boyd, Jr, whom could undertake this DNA test, as well. All I have is their names and they were born in Richmond, Virginia but not where they live today. So, any of the descendants of Herbert Reed Boyd, Jr, or his younger brother Robert Friend Boyd are on this list or known to those on Facebook, that may have already undertaken an DNA test, to compare their DNA to those that belong to George Boyd (1691-1731) or John Boyd (1687) of London, England and whom were both born in Airth. And hopefully those results allow us to confirm if Rev Adam Boyd’s family is a direct link to the above two Boy families. And if the DNA results do show us that they are not linked, that all those IT trees on this family can be informed to correct their records. Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Brooks Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 12:31 PM To: clanboyd Subject: [CLANBOYD] Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor There is a living male line of the Rev. Adam if this families online profile is correct. The line is this: Rev. Adam1- Col. Andrew Boyd2- James Boyd3 (b1785)- Andrew Reed Boyd4- (b1825)- to Robert Friend Boyd born circa 1928- died April 7, 2018. 3 sons and 1 daughter with 13 grandchildren and 5 great grandchildren. Died in Norfolk, Virginia, Family lives in southern Virginia region. Obit is online. So we have one male line at least. Anyone in VA able to reach out and try to make a call? Places for sons are Norfolk, Cape Charles and Virginia Beach, VA. At least one is a lawyer. -- Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected]

There is a living male line of the Rev. Adam if this families online profile is correct. The line is this: Rev. Adam1- Col. Andrew Boyd2- James Boyd3 (b1785)- Andrew Reed Boyd4- (b1825)- to Robert Friend Boyd born circa 1928- died April 7, 2018. 3 sons and 1 daughter with 13 grandchildren and 5 great grandchildren. Died in Norfolk, Virginia, Family lives in southern Virginia region. Obit is online. So we have one male line at least. Anyone in VA able to reach out and try to make a call? Places for sons are Norfolk, Cape Charles and Virginia Beach, VA. At least one is a lawyer. -- Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected]

Steve and list I have seen a name used at least three time - in both male and female names in some of the 960 Boyd Family trees that I have collected over the last 40 years. In this case, both of these John Boyds married and had their own children. The John Boyd , who is the ancestor of David Boyd of Oxfordshire, England, married in 1712 in London to an Mary Stewart and was born in Airth, Stirlingshire; While George Boyd's elder brother, John Boyd born 1690, is said to be born in Edinburgh and married in 1715 to Jane Craig, in Chester County, PA. I have just spent an hour on the website Thomas Boyd (abt.1446-1473) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree www.wikitree.com/wiki/Boyd-546 23/09/2017 · Is this your ancestor? Compare DNA and explore genealogy for Thomas Boyd born abt. 1446 Kilmarnock, Renfrewshire, Scotland died 1473 Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium including ancestors + children + 1 photos + Y-chromosome DNA + more in the free family tree community. And they list a third "John Boyd" born in 1705, who is said to be the brother of George Boyd, Sr. (1691-1731) and grandson of Rev Adam Boyd, II. I will have to do some queries on this data that may take a few days to write up. BUT IT STRONGLY LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE MIXING "SEVERAL" BOYD FAMILIES, THAT WENT TO PA. ( When I was coping those details, I made several Emails to people managing those sites, so it will be interesting to see what their sources are., etc and what more can be learnt about those sections of Clan Boyd.) Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Steve Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name Mike I must comment on point 5 below. Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child died before the second was born. Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in some sort of commemoration of the first child. It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before the age of about five. In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John born in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. I thought this information might be useful to you. Steve Boyd Melton, Victoria, Australia

I do not know the cultural origins of the Scottish Naming Pattern. I suspect it is extremely old, far predating Christian cultures. I am aware that analogous patterns exist in other European cultures. My son worked for agricultural extension in remote areas of Mali, West Africa. Nominally Muslim, they still maintained a standing stone dedicated to ancestors in a remote grove of trees which were never harvested. Following the birth of a child, they held some sort of naming ceremony involving placing blood as an offering to sanctify the name of that child, and pray that one of the ancestors would sponsor that child’s existence. I have at least two clear instances of re-using names following death of an infant in my own direct Shields line. My great grandfather’s uncle John Shields lived beside Loudoun Castle. He married Jean Young, a neighbor at Loudoun Altoun. His first child, born 1812, was William (paternal grandfather’s name). This William Shields died early in 1831. Late in 1831, Jean Young Shields gave birth to their 9th child, named William Shields. That is amply documented. I find a couple more instances of that in the next generation. But following 1850, family size begins to shrink dramatically — and I find no further instances of “filling in the grid.” But that fact baffled the earliest genealogist to work on that family. > On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Steve Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike > > I must comment on point 5 below. > > Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. > If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child died before the second was born. > Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in some sort of commemoration of the first child. > It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before the age of about five. > > In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. > James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John born in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . > I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. > > I thought this information might be useful to you. > > Steve Boyd > Melton, Victoria, Australia > > > Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 > > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married > > John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, > > PA > > To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Dave and List > > > ..............snip........... > > > > >In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – > >1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland > >2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in 1692 with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But I have not seen any hard evidence either way. > >3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, Stirlingshire in 1691 > >4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. > >5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would name two sons “John”. > > > ..............snip........... > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Mike I must comment on point 5 below. Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child died before the second was born. Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in some sort of commemoration of the first child. It was a  common occurance in earlier times for children to die before the age of about five. In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John born in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. I thought this information might be useful to you. Steve Boyd Melton, Victoria, Australia > Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married > John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, > PA > To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dave and List > ..............snip........... > >In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – >1)            John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland >2)            While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in 1692 with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena.  But I have not seen any hard evidence either way. >3)            The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, Stirlingshire in 1691 >4)            And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. >5)            And George and James’s parents also have a son named John Boyd born in 1687 at Airth.  So, it is very unlikely that they would name two sons “John”. > ..............snip...........

Hi there, this is Victor's oldest son.  You can remove Dad from the mailing list.  He passed in January. Thanks. Tristan On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 3:28:47 AM EST, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: Dave and List When I am unsure of the FACTS, I will either put a (?) after the statement or sometimes put “around the phrase”. I do that to question the FACTS, and to show people that what I said is questionable. In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – 1)            John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland 2)            While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in 1692 with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena.  But I have not seen any hard evidence either way. 3)            The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, Stirlingshire in 1691 4)            And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. 5)            And George and James’s parents also have a son named John Boyd born in 1687 at Airth.  So, it is very unlikely that they would name two sons “John”. I am aware, that some ladies did have a child every year but not with some many location variations. While John and Rev Adam Boyd’s father is said to be another Rev Adam Boyd, the son of another Rev Adam Boyd.  But very little seems to be known about him, with regards to dates and locations.  However, there seems to be quite a number of IT trees on all three Rev Adam Boyds, whom are said to be the descendants of Captain Adam Boyd, born in 1625 and died in 1649. With many of these trees, saying that Captain Adam Boyd was the son of Bishop Andrew Boyd, whom married Miss Cunningham about 1590.  There son Adam Boyd was born about 1599 and died in Glasgow in 1649. I have been trying for about two years to sit down and draft out some of these “CLAIMS”.  One of which with Captain Adam Boyd is that he had two sons after he died.  One in 1650 – which is possible, depending on the dates of his death in 1649 and the birth of his son Adam Boyd in 1650.  While the second son, John Boyd is said to be born in 1656.  SO THAT DOES NOT ADD UP IN MY VIEW. While I do not have PROOF, I am quite certain, from the above reasons, that Rev Adam Boyd and George Boyd of Compass, PA are not brothers. In pre 1730’s, I think that there are about 10 to 15 Boyd families in Chester County, PA.  There could be more!!  (And that is another project that I have been trying to get time to write up for Clan Boyd members for several years.) With regard to Rev Adam Boyd (b 1692), I have seen no evidence that he was born in 1692 or that it was in Ballymoney.  But these two events are cited by his descendants.  (But I am still not quite 100% in saying that it is a FACT. HOWEVER, I AM “QUITE SURE”, that there are two Boyd families.  And that John and Adam Boyd are not the brothers of John, George and James Boyd of Airth. While many Boyds came as part of the Plantation period, in County Antrim, there were Boyds there from 1560, from Carrick, Ayrshire, but it is not known, where they settled or what they did.  And by 1639, there were some 139 Boyd families living in Northern Ulster (But I do not know where this boundary was.).  But no one knows the origins of these families in Scotland.  DNA may play some part determining this in the future. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. From: David Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA Thanks, Mike. Picking up on a few points: > The Rev Adam Boyd’s family is “said” to have come from Ballymoney, County Antrim < “The Boyds of Boyd Tank” has a reference to the place, but not specifically for Adam. I suspect it may have been somewhere in the Slaymaker Papers. > born there in 1692 < Reason for my interest: I have pondered whether Rev Adam could have been a brother, born post Airth but before migration to US. The Irish records for this period have not survived. Now a present-day male-line descendent taking the test would help settle whether there could be something in this. > suggesting that his parents had fled Ireland due to King James’s action to capture Londonderry and put down the Protestants in Ireland. < I think us Boyds may have gone there due to the inducements to introduce more Protestants to Northern Ireland and part of the action to deal with the Catholic majority. E.g. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Battle_of_the_Boyne “King William's victory was followed by systematic efforts to Protestantize Ireland with Protestant settlers and legal restrictions on the rights of Catholics” > I am not aware of how many Boyd families that there were in and all around Ballymoney < Per The Boyds of Boys Tank p16: ”A Quaker family, the John Boyds of Ballymoney in Ireland, came to America in 1736 and settled in the same general area as did George Boyd…” > It is THOUGHT THAT GEORGE BOYDS’S family came to PA in about 1728 and built St John’s in 1729, with wife and five sons.  He was Church of Ireland in religion. < The book I reference states 1720s. Also, they were Protestants and their church affiliations were Episcopal, Presbyterian and Quaker. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 04 December 2019 00:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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Dave and List When I am unsure of the FACTS, I will either put a (?) after the statement or sometimes put “around the phrase”. I do that to question the FACTS, and to show people that what I said is questionable. In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – 1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland 2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in 1692 with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But I have not seen any hard evidence either way. 3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, Stirlingshire in 1691 4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. 5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would name two sons “John”. I am aware, that some ladies did have a child every year but not with some many location variations. While John and Rev Adam Boyd’s father is said to be another Rev Adam Boyd, the son of another Rev Adam Boyd. But very little seems to be known about him, with regards to dates and locations. However, there seems to be quite a number of IT trees on all three Rev Adam Boyds, whom are said to be the descendants of Captain Adam Boyd, born in 1625 and died in 1649. With many of these trees, saying that Captain Adam Boyd was the son of Bishop Andrew Boyd, whom married Miss Cunningham about 1590. There son Adam Boyd was born about 1599 and died in Glasgow in 1649. I have been trying for about two years to sit down and draft out some of these “CLAIMS”. One of which with Captain Adam Boyd is that he had two sons after he died. One in 1650 – which is possible, depending on the dates of his death in 1649 and the birth of his son Adam Boyd in 1650. While the second son, John Boyd is said to be born in 1656. SO THAT DOES NOT ADD UP IN MY VIEW. While I do not have PROOF, I am quite certain, from the above reasons, that Rev Adam Boyd and George Boyd of Compass, PA are not brothers. In pre 1730’s, I think that there are about 10 to 15 Boyd families in Chester County, PA. There could be more!! (And that is another project that I have been trying to get time to write up for Clan Boyd members for several years.) With regard to Rev Adam Boyd (b 1692), I have seen no evidence that he was born in 1692 or that it was in Ballymoney. But these two events are cited by his descendants. (But I am still not quite 100% in saying that it is a FACT. HOWEVER, I AM “QUITE SURE”, that there are two Boyd families. And that John and Adam Boyd are not the brothers of John, George and James Boyd of Airth. While many Boyds came as part of the Plantation period, in County Antrim, there were Boyds there from 1560, from Carrick, Ayrshire, but it is not known, where they settled or what they did. And by 1639, there were some 139 Boyd families living in Northern Ulster (But I do not know where this boundary was.). But no one knows the origins of these families in Scotland. DNA may play some part determining this in the future. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. From: David Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA Thanks, Mike. Picking up on a few points: > The Rev Adam Boyd’s family is “said” to have come from Ballymoney, County Antrim < “The Boyds of Boyd Tank” has a reference to the place, but not specifically for Adam. I suspect it may have been somewhere in the Slaymaker Papers. > born there in 1692 < Reason for my interest: I have pondered whether Rev Adam could have been a brother, born post Airth but before migration to US. The Irish records for this period have not survived. Now a present-day male-line descendent taking the test would help settle whether there could be something in this. > suggesting that his parents had fled Ireland due to King James’s action to capture Londonderry and put down the Protestants in Ireland. < I think us Boyds may have gone there due to the inducements to introduce more Protestants to Northern Ireland and part of the action to deal with the Catholic majority. E.g. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Battle_of_the_Boyne “King William's victory was followed by systematic efforts to Protestantize Ireland with Protestant settlers and legal restrictions on the rights of Catholics” > I am not aware of how many Boyd families that there were in and all around Ballymoney < Per The Boyds of Boys Tank p16: ”A Quaker family, the John Boyds of Ballymoney in Ireland, came to America in 1736 and settled in the same general area as did George Boyd…” > It is THOUGHT THAT GEORGE BOYDS’S family came to PA in about 1728 and built St John’s in 1729, with wife and five sons. He was Church of Ireland in religion. < The book I reference states 1720s. Also, they were Protestants and their church affiliations were Episcopal, Presbyterian and Quaker. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 04 December 2019 00:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA

Good afternoon list Kenneth Fenell, sent this website for one of this Boyd ancestors – Edward Boyd and his wife Margaret. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116967507/edward-boyd The website says that these two gravestones are at Dutch Valley Cemetery, Tuscarawas County, OHIO. He understands that this Edward Boyd came from PA, but does not seem to have any details of where in PA, this Boyd family came from. Does this Graveyard or details given on the stone, for Edward Boyd, ring any bells for anyone? And do any PA researchers have an missing Edward Boyd who was born in 1775 or 1786? Thank you for assisting Kenneth Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: KENNETH FENELL Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 5:53 AM To: Mike Boyd Subject: Re: [CLANBOYD] Boyd family of Captan Robert Boyd of Rocky Springs, now Franklin County, PA https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116967507/edward-boyd > On December 4, 2019 at 12:46 AM Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: >

Good afternoon list Kenneth, as you can see, had advised me that he has an number of Will Books for PA Counties, including BUCKS and NORTHAMPTON Counties. Given that it is now “thought”, that other Boyd families came an settled in this area of PA after 1729, and by the mid 1700’s had moved to Bedford/Franklin Counties in Virginia and perhaps into North Carolina – is it worth asking Kenneth to make a list of Boyd Wills for these two Counties. As a point of reference. And how easy is to get hold of these Will Books outside of PA? Hopefully this will allow those looking in VA/NC to know if their families came from this part of PA or not. It also raises the question of what other “books” might there be on these two PA Counties, that may assist people to determine, IF THERE BOYD ANCESTORS HAVE LIVED THERE; WHERE THEY HAD COME FROM TO SETTLE IN THIS PART OF PA; AND WHEN DID THEY “GO SOUTH”; (AND I ASSUME THERE ARE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS that might be added to this list.) Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. From: KENNETH FENELL Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 11:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: adam boyd hi mike i have been looking at you adam boyd post and not sure if this helps but hear is a link to a book on the rev thomas craighead family book https://books.google.com/books?id=9TqRIW4V6xcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=craighead&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjeyKO08f7kAhVOrlkKHfiTAGIQ6AEwAnoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=craighead&f=false on page 53 and 54 it has a jane or janet craighead married rev adam boyd that came to boston in 1715 form bellameny ireland and at some time moved to landcaster county where he died you you post on no 3 you say (3) In 1714, John Boyd’s brother was just Adam Boyd. He did not become a Presbyterian Minister until either 1722 or 1723 in Coleraine, County Londonderry – only about 5 miles from Ballymoney. When he did return to the USA, he first went to Boston, MA and only came to PA, after the Craighead family moved down to PA. so could this boyd family be both the same family plus if you need i have most of the pa will book i have bucks chester lancaster northampton and outhers plus 4 vols of chester county land records plus lots of church records form chester bucks landcaster and dolpin countys plus outhers i will be more than happy to look any thing up for you i did not want to post couse i am not sure if these 2 boys are the same or not

Firstly, I'm new to mailing list. I'm probably going to do some things wrong, as far as formatting and responding. I've already shown I don't know how to do it on another Boyd mailing list. Secondly, my first post to this mailing list will be a repeat of the one I sent to another Boyd mailing list about a week ago. I'm not here to spam, but I currently only have this one specific question. Please bear with me if you've seen this already. The more visibility I have to more experienced genealogist and researchers, the more successful my own endeavors will be. I'm new to genealogy. I've been working for a couple of years, off and on, to trace my paternal lineage. Alas, I'm not the greatest at taking notes when it matters, and I failed to properly document my sources when I initially think I traced my lineage back to Scotland. Now I'm stuck trying to track further back than William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL]. Below is what I have confirmed, but I need guidance, since I am new and don't have access to many of the resources stuck behind paywalls. At one point I felt like I found promising information on WikiTree, but that's also where my excitement got the best of me and I failed to document things. I've been digging into any and every resource I could, and modifying my search terms in out-of-the-box terms and methods, looking to see if other families that are related to William Boyd through marriage or other children have more information, but couldn't find anything to further my research. I'm starting to wonder if this is one of those situations where documentation was lost or not kept, because it seems a dozen people looking through Boyd and Sellers family histories stopped at this one person. Though this could have been because William wasn't in their direct line, just connected through marriage, and their focus was researching a different family name. One of my plans in the near future is to do a Y-DNA test and submitting it to the Boyd FTDNA Y-DNA Project, with the hopes I can get some further direction. Unfortunately that's going to be a while, at least until after the holidays. Does anyone have information on this paternal line (I'm also interested in the maternal side, but that will come later, but I assure you I will take anything related)? I would greatly appreciate your guidance in pointing me back on the road and in the right direction. William Boyd -- Born: 1772 in NC -- Died: 1852 in Montgomery, AL -- Spouse: Rebecca Sellers [b. 1776 d. 1861] -- Source: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Boyd-11903 James Jenken Boyd -- Born: May 20, 1822 in Pinetucky, AL -- Died: Aug 27, 1910 in Holder, TX -- Spouse: Penelope Jane Sellers [b. 1832] -- Source: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Boyd-11901 -- Source: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28196186/james-jenken-boyd -- Source: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJB-377 Charles Columbus Boyd (C.C. Boyd) -- Born: Feb 18, 1858 in Coryell County, TX -- Died: Oct 31, 1935 in Pleasant Valley, TX -- Spouse: Allie Richards [b. Aug 28, 1860 d. Jun 6, 1954] -- Source: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Boyd-12475 Oley Willie Boyd (aka O.W. Boyd) -- Born: Feb 12, 1898 -- Died: Sep 22, 1987 in Pleasant Valley, TX -- Spouse: Ila R Gammons Boyd [b. 1904 d. 1998] -- Source: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/7855808/oley-w-boyd Billy June Boyd -- Born: Jun 11, 1932 in Williams, TX -- Died: Sep 15, 2010 in Midland, TX -- Spouse: Willie Faye Johnson [b. Oct 31 1935] -- Source: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/58756683/bill-boyd Billy Don Boyd -- No information Jeromy Don Boyd (aka John Boyd or Johnathon Elijah Boyd) -- Born: Mar 4, 1984 in Victoria, TX -- Spouse: Mandy Morgan Hansen [b. Mar 7 1987] -- Source: Self

What I know is mentioned in the WIKI entry on Black. It sounds as though he would have connected to my late mentor, Rossell Hope Robbins. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fraser_Black <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fraser_Black> > On Dec 4, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Bruce for this advice. > > So the search for Mr Black’s cards system still continues. > > When it is found, it will need to be checked to see what he actually says about Clan Boyd or Boyd. And we need to point “what sources he cites” for this information, so that Boyd researchers can themselves look at those sources and make our own judgement IF CLAN BOYD CAME FORM BUTE OR NOT AND WHAT PERIOD, ETC > > Bruce,is it worth asking what Blacks “collection of rare books” entrails? > > And could one of these cite this “Claim” that Boyds came from Bute. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > > > From: Bruce Shields <> > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 7:20 AM > To: Mike Boyd <> ; [email protected] <> > Subject: Fwd: George Fraser Black Collection > > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Candace Reilly <[email protected] <>> >> Subject: George Fraser Black Collection >> Date: December 4, 2019 at 3:02:34 PM EST >> To: [email protected] <> >> >> Dear Bruce Shields, >> >> Thank you for your email concerning the George Fraser Black collection. We at Drew University did not receive any of his personal papers. We only received his collection of rare books, which were transferred from Fairleigh Dickinson University. I am not certain if Fairleigh every held his personal papers. >> >> Please let me know if you have any further questions. >> >> Best regards, >> Candace Reilly >> >> >> >> ----------------- >> Sixty years ago I recall being told at New York Public Library that they had the raw data cards from George Fraser Black’s massive study, “Surnames of Scotland”. I find no mention of that on the NYC Public Library web site today. A WIKI article on Black mentions that he had a collection of rare books which were transferred to Fairleigh Dickenson University, and later was possessed by Drew University. >> >> Do you have Black’s notes (which were on several thousand 3X5 index cards) to Scottish surnames? Do you know if they were preserved? >> >> Bruce P. Shields >> 6405 Garfield Rd >> Hyde Park VT 05655 >> (802) 888 5165 >> [email protected] <> >> -- >> <http://www.drew.edu/> >> Candace A. Reilly <http://www.drew.edu/directory/?q=email:jmann&utm_source=FIL_Email_Footer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FIL%2BEmail%2BFooter> | Methodist Library & Special Collections Associate | Library <http://www.drew.edu/library?utm_source=FIL_Email_Footer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FIL%2BEmail%2BFooter> >> Drew University | 36 Madison Ave | Madison, NJ 07940 >> 973-408-35 <tel:9734083472>90 | drew.edu <http://www.drew.edu/?utm_source=FIL_Email_Footer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FIL%2BEmail%2BFooter> >> > > > Bruce P. Shields > 6405 Garfield Rd > Hyde Park VT 05655 > (802) 888 5165 > [email protected] <> > Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Thank you Bruce for this advice. So the search for Mr Black’s cards system still continues. When it is found, it will need to be checked to see what he actually says about Clan Boyd or Boyd. And we need to point “what sources he cites” for this information, so that Boyd researchers can themselves look at those sources and make our own judgement IF CLAN BOYD CAME FORM BUTE OR NOT AND WHAT PERIOD, ETC Bruce,is it worth asking what Blacks “collection of rare books” entrails? And could one of these cite this “Claim” that Boyds came from Bute. Mike Boyd Brisbane From: Bruce Shields Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 7:20 AM To: Mike Boyd ; [email protected] Subject: Fwd: George Fraser Black Collection Begin forwarded message: From: Candace Reilly <[email protected]> Subject: George Fraser Black Collection Date: December 4, 2019 at 3:02:34 PM EST To: [email protected] Dear Bruce Shields, Thank you for your email concerning the George Fraser Black collection. We at Drew University did not receive any of his personal papers. We only received his collection of rare books, which were transferred from Fairleigh Dickinson University. I am not certain if Fairleigh every held his personal papers. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Best regards, Candace Reilly ----------------- Sixty years ago I recall being told at New York Public Library that they had the raw data cards from George Fraser Black’s massive study, “Surnames of Scotland”. I find no mention of that on the NYC Public Library web site today. A WIKI article on Black mentions that he had a collection of rare books which were transferred to Fairleigh Dickenson University, and later was possessed by Drew University. Do you have Black’s notes (which were on several thousand 3X5 index cards) to Scottish surnames? Do you know if they were preserved? Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected] -- Candace A. Reilly | Methodist Library & Special Collections Associate | Library Drew University | 36 Madison Ave | Madison, NJ 07940 973-408-3590 | drew.edu Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

> Begin forwarded message: > > From: Candace Reilly <[email protected]> > Subject: George Fraser Black Collection > Date: December 4, 2019 at 3:02:34 PM EST > To: [email protected] > > Dear Bruce Shields, > > Thank you for your email concerning the George Fraser Black collection. We at Drew University did not receive any of his personal papers. We only received his collection of rare books, which were transferred from Fairleigh Dickinson University. I am not certain if Fairleigh every held his personal papers. > > Please let me know if you have any further questions. > > Best regards, > Candace Reilly > > > > ----------------- > Sixty years ago I recall being told at New York Public Library that they had the raw data cards from George Fraser Black’s massive study, “Surnames of Scotland”. I find no mention of that on the NYC Public Library web site today. A WIKI article on Black mentions that he had a collection of rare books which were transferred to Fairleigh Dickenson University, and later was possessed by Drew University. > > Do you have Black’s notes (which were on several thousand 3X5 index cards) to Scottish surnames? Do you know if they were preserved? > > Bruce P. Shields > 6405 Garfield Rd > Hyde Park VT 05655 > (802) 888 5165 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > -- > <http://www.drew.edu/> > Candace A. Reilly <http://www.drew.edu/directory/?q=email:jmann&utm_source=FIL_Email_Footer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FIL%2BEmail%2BFooter> | Methodist Library & Special Collections Associate | Library <http://www.drew.edu/library?utm_source=FIL_Email_Footer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FIL%2BEmail%2BFooter> > Drew University | 36 Madison Ave | Madison, NJ 07940 > 973-408-35 <tel:9734083472>90 | drew.edu <http://www.drew.edu/?utm_source=FIL_Email_Footer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FIL%2BEmail%2BFooter> > Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Thanks, Mike. Picking up on a few points: > The Rev Adam Boyd’s family is “said” to have come from Ballymoney, County Antrim < “The Boyds of Boyd Tank” has a reference to the place, but not specifically for Adam. I suspect it may have been somewhere in the Slaymaker Papers. > born there in 1692 < Reason for my interest: I have pondered whether Rev Adam could have been a brother, born post Airth but before migration to US. The Irish records for this period have not survived. Now a present-day male-line descendent taking the test would help settle whether there could be something in this. > suggesting that his parents had fled Ireland due to King James’s action to capture Londonderry and put down the Protestants in Ireland. < I think us Boyds may have gone there due to the inducements to introduce more Protestants to Northern Ireland and part of the action to deal with the Catholic majority. E.g. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Battle_of_the_Boyne “King William's victory was followed by systematic efforts to Protestantize Ireland with Protestant settlers and legal restrictions on the rights of Catholics” > I am not aware of how many Boyd families that there were in and all around Ballymoney < Per The Boyds of Boys Tank p16: ”A Quaker family, the John Boyds of Ballymoney in Ireland, came to America in 1736 and settled in the same general area as did George Boyd…” > It is THOUGHT THAT GEORGE BOYDS’S family came to PA in about 1728 and built St John’s in 1729, with wife and five sons. He was Church of Ireland in religion. < The book I reference states 1720s. Also, they were Protestants and their church affiliations were Episcopal, Presbyterian and Quaker. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 04 December 2019 00:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA Dave and list The Rev Adam Boyd’s family is “said” to have come from Ballymoney, County Antrim. It is said that he was born there in 1692 (A year after George Boyd was born – thus making it unlikely that they are from the same family. Yet many of the IT seem to link these two families, through a variety of way.) This Adam Boyd – before he became a Presbyterian Minister – came with his brother John Boyd, born in 1690, said to be Edinburgh (and suggesting that his parents had fled Ireland due to King James’s action to capture Londonderry and put down the Protestants in Ireland), came to Chester County, PA in 1714. It then appears that Adam Boyd has returned to Ireland or Scotland to become a Presbyterian Minister, which he appears to have done by 1720. A number of the IT Boyd trees, seem to link Rev Adam Boyd and those other descendants of Captain Adam, Boyd said to be killed in 1649, with that of George and Isabella Boyd’s family. However, I can’t ever recall seeing any locations given for Rev Adam Boyd, II and Rev Adam Boyd III in either Ireland or Scotland to be able to see if they could have any possible links. I am not aware of how many Boyd families that there were in and all around Ballymoney – but at this time, I think that you could be looking at 30 to 50 families Branches. It is THOUGHT THAT GEORGE BOYDS’S family came to PA in about 1728 and built St John’s in 1729, with wife and five sons. He was Church of Ireland in religion. He is said to have come from County Antrim. While Gary Boyd Roberts of Boston, MA in 2016, told me that he had been told that George also came from Ballymoney, County Antrim, but he had not seen the evidence to this effect. While in 1736, or so, John Boyd and Jane Bell, of Ballymoney, who were Quakers, came to Chester County, PA, with their children and perhaps even grandchildren. So, you have three Boyd families all from Ballymoney, but each a different religion. From your own family’s DNA, it seems to confirm that George Boyd whom was born in 1691, DID COME FROM AIRTH, STIRLINGSHIRE. BUT WITHOUT ANY KNOWN LOCATIONS, FOR THE FOUR ADAM BOYD’s it would suggest that they had lived in Ireland from before 1649. [BUT THAT IS NOT CONFIRMED ONLY AN IMPRESSION!!!] In 2010, I did meet a descendant of Rev Adam Boyd, IV, in PA but that person was not named Boyd. Adam had 11 children whom I think I am right in saying all married. So, while we may not get male DNA result from Rev. Adam Boyd, IV, is it possible to see if there any female DNA links to him – so that DNA can be compared, etc And as far as I have been able to determine, all three Boyd families were in Ballymoney, Ireland and at various times then came to Chester County, PA. But the path to Ballymoney seems to be totally different for all three Boyd families. And I would assume that the DNA is also different as well. David and Colin, is there any DNA results for the family of John Boyd and Jane Bell? Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:34 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] ; 'KENNETH FENELL' Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said t obe daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA Mike: On Rev Adam Boyd: "R2 Adam Boyd, b 1692 (Ballymoney, Co. Antrim), d 23/11/1768 (Parkesburg, Chester Co. PA)," One thing I have often wondered is whether Rev Adam Boyd had any connection with the Haplogroup A Boyds with whom he seems to have travelled from Northern Ireland to PA. Do you know whether there is a present-day male descendent who may be up for a Y-DNA test? I can't see anyone in the Family Tree DNA's Boyd Project making a claim to being in Rev Adam's line. Thank you. David Boyd <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> Sent: 02 December 2019 22:58 To: KENNETH FENELL < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>; <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said t obe daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. 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Dave and list The Rev Adam Boyd’s family is “said” to have come from Ballymoney, County Antrim. It is said that he was born there in 1692 (A year after George Boyd was born – thus making it unlikely that they are from the same family. Yet many of the IT seem to link these two families, through a variety of way.) This Adam Boyd – before he became a Presbyterian Minister – came with his brother John Boyd, born in 1690, said to be Edinburgh (and suggesting that his parents had fled Ireland due to King James’s action to capture Londonderry and put down the Protestants in Ireland), came to Chester County, PA in 1714. It then appears that Adam Boyd has returned to Ireland or Scotland to become a Presbyterian Minister, which he appears to have done by 1720. A number of the IT Boyd trees, seem to link Rev Adam Boyd and those other descendants of Captain Adam, Boyd said to be killed in 1649, with that of George and Isabella Boyd’s family. However, I can’t ever recall seeing any locations given for Rev Adam Boyd, II and Rev Adam Boyd III in either Ireland or Scotland to be able to see if they could have any possible links. I am not aware of how many Boyd families that there were in and all around Ballymoney – but at this time, I think that you could be looking at 30 to 50 families Branches. It is THOUGHT THAT GEORGE BOYDS’S family came to PA in about 1728 and built St John’s in 1729, with wife and five sons. He was Church of Ireland in religion. He is said to have come from County Antrim. While Gary Boyd Roberts of Boston, MA in 2016, told me that he had been told that George also came from Ballymoney, County Antrim, but he had not seen the evidence to this effect. While in 1736, or so, John Boyd and Jane Bell, of Ballymoney, who were Quakers, came to Chester County, PA, with their children and perhaps even grandchildren. So, you have three Boyd families all from Ballymoney, but each a different religion. From your own family’s DNA, it seems to confirm that George Boyd whom was born in 1691, DID COME FROM AIRTH, STIRLINGSHIRE. BUT WITHOUT ANY KNOWN LOCATIONS, FOR THE FOUR ADAM BOYD’s it would suggest that they had lived in Ireland from before 1649. [BUT THAT IS NOT CONFIRMED ONLY AN IMPRESSION!!!] In 2010, I did meet a descendant of Rev Adam Boyd, IV, in PA but that person was not named Boyd. Adam had 11 children whom I think I am right in saying all married. So, while we may not get male DNA result from Rev. Adam Boyd, IV, is it possible to see if there any female DNA links to him – so that DNA can be compared, etc And as far as I have been able to determine, all three Boyd families were in Ballymoney, Ireland and at various times then came to Chester County, PA. But the path to Ballymoney seems to be totally different for all three Boyd families. And I would assume that the DNA is also different as well. David and Colin, is there any DNA results for the family of John Boyd and Jane Bell? Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust. -----Original Message----- From: David Boyd Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:34 AM To: [email protected] ; 'KENNETH FENELL' Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said t obe daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA Mike: On Rev Adam Boyd: "R2 Adam Boyd, b 1692 (Ballymoney, Co. Antrim), d 23/11/1768 (Parkesburg, Chester Co. PA)," One thing I have often wondered is whether Rev Adam Boyd had any connection with the Haplogroup A Boyds with whom he seems to have travelled from Northern Ireland to PA. Do you know whether there is a present-day male descendent who may be up for a Y-DNA test? I can't see anyone in the Family Tree DNA's Boyd Project making a claim to being in Rev Adam's line. Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 02 December 2019 22:58 To: KENNETH FENELL <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married John Aikman - said t obe daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, PA

The Drew reference desk responded, and offered to help find out what became of Black’s research papers. > On Dec 3, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good morning list > I sent the information about Black’s room that Bruce Shields told as about, to a friend who is involved with the New Windsor, NY research Group to find out about their Boyd family from County Down that does back to 1660’s. > > He has volunteered to visit Drew University in the New Year. > > I look forward to see what he find on Mr Black’s cards about Clan Boyd’s origins and more particularly if he cites any sources for his claim that the Boyds came form Bute. > > Perhaps, this mystery can be solved shortly. > > Mike Boyd > > From: jboyd6563 > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 2:05 AM > To: Mike Boyd > Subject: Re: Fw: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Bla > > Mike, > Drew university is near NY. It's not far. Only an hour or so drive. Lol on "close". I will attend to these questions after the new year. I'm sorry this will take me a little bit as I'm new to all this and I'm a truck driver over the road. It's difficult for me to vet time off at the moment to check in to these places. I am a person who like to talk to people face to face. > > Respectfully, > James Boyd > New Jersey > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> > Date: 12/3/19 04:48 (GMT-06:00) > To: jboyd6563 <[email protected]> > Subject: Fw: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Bla > > James > Is Drew University "close" to you in NJ? > > If so, are you able to contact them to see if they now hold the Card > contents for Black's room at the NY Public Library? > > And if they can tell you what he says about the name BOYD, please. > > As you can see I think that Black is wrong about the Boyds coming form Bute > > Mike Boyd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of > Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Blacks room at NY Public Library > > Bruce > I was throwing this out to the whole list to see if someone had been their > more recently. > > Is anyone living Drew University? I understand that is in the town of > Madison, NJ in central NJ. > > So, does anyone live near by to either make a visit on a nice sunny day or > make a phone call? > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Shields > Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: KENNETH FENELL > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", > by Mike Boyd > > You have asked a question which I can’t answer. I visited the library in > 1962 to look at their ship lists. I was told that George F. Black’s index > cards were in the same room. I see from WIKI that at some point Black’s > personal book collection which was housed in the Library was acquired by > Fairleigh Dickenson University in New Jersey, a college affiliated with the > Presbyterian Synod of New Jersey. And wound up at Drew University. I find > on the NYC Public Library website no hint of Black’s data. > > I don’t know where his data went. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fraser_Black >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fraser_Black> >> On Dec 1, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thank you Bruce >> >> In the years that I have been going to Scotland, I have NOT FOUND ANY >> REFERENCE TO BOYDS ON BUTE. But that does not mean that they were not >> there at some time after about 1140 or so. Just that I have not fond any >> reference, so far. >> >> My "understanding" of Scottish history is that the Vikings had control of >> all the Islands on the western Scotland - which I assume means Bute. (I >> think a few months ago, I saw of reference that Sir Robert Boyd, IV, fled >> to Bute to get away form King Edward of England. And that was the closest >> that I have seen to any settlement by a Boyd on Bute in over 900 years.) >> >> And if as we know that Simon was the Half - brother of Walter, the first >> High Stewart of Scotland, then he is very unlikely to have had land or >> settled under Viking control on Bute. >> >> BUT I COULD BE WRONG! And quite happy to admit if there is evidence. >> >> Has anyone visited the New York Public Library recently and do you know if >> this room is still there with Black's Cards? >> >> Or is there someone now living in NYC, that might be able to add this to >> the list of their tasks the next time they visit this Library to see what >> is "ACTUALLY SAID ON THESE CARDS ABOUT CLAN BOYD"? And to advise the >> list? >> >> Thank you >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane, Australia >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Thanks Mike. As I would not have been able to get that kind of info. Lol! I am happy to have you on the team. Thanks again.James Boyd NJ -------- Original message --------From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Date: 12/3/19 14:48 (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected], jboyd6563 <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Bla Good morning list I sent the information about Black’s room that Bruce Shields told as about, to a friend who is involved with the New Windsor, NY research Group to find out about their Boyd family from County Down that does back to 1660’s.   He has volunteered to visit Drew University in the New Year.   I look forward to see what he find on Mr Black’s cards about Clan Boyd’s origins and more particularly if he cites any sources for his claim that the Boyds came form Bute.   Perhaps, this mystery can be solved shortly.   Mike Boyd   From: jboyd6563 Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 2:05 AM To: Mike Boyd Subject: Re: Fw: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Bla   Mike,  Drew university is near NY. It's not far. Only an hour or so drive. Lol on "close". I will attend to these questions after the new year. I'm sorry this will take me a little bit as I'm new to all this and I'm a truck driver over the road. It's difficult for me to vet time off at the moment to check in to these places. I am a person who like to talk to people face to face.   Respectfully, James Boyd New Jersey   -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Date: 12/3/19 04:48 (GMT-06:00) To: jboyd6563 <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Bla  JamesIs Drew University "close" to you in NJ?If so, are you able to contact them to see if they now hold the Card contents for Black's room at the NY Public Library?And if they can tell you what he says about the name BOYD, please.As you can see I think that Black is wrong about the Boyds coming form ButeMike Boyd-----Original Message----- From: Mike BoydSent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:34 PMTo: [email protected]: Re: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland", by Mike Boyd - Blacks room at NY Public LibraryBruceI was throwing this out to the whole list to see if someone had been theirmore recently.Is anyone living Drew University?  I understand that is in the town ofMadison, NJ in central NJ.So, does anyone live near by to either make a visit on a nice sunny day ormake a phone call?Mike BoydBrisbane-----Original Message----- From: Bruce ShieldsSent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:25 AMTo: [email protected]: KENNETH FENELLSubject: [CLANBOYD] Re: [EXTERNAL] Areas covered by "Clan Boyd of Scotland",by Mike BoydYou have asked a question which I can’t answer.  I visited the library in1962 to look at their ship lists.  I was told that George F. Black’s indexcards were in the same room.  I see from WIKI that at some point Black’spersonal book collection which was housed in the Library was acquired byFairleigh Dickenson University in New Jersey, a college affiliated with thePresbyterian Synod of New Jersey.  And wound up at Drew University.  I findon the NYC Public Library website no hint of Black’s data.I don’t know where his data went.>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fraser_Black > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fraser_Black>> On Dec 1, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:>> Thank you Bruce>> In the years that I have been going to Scotland, I have NOT FOUND ANY > REFERENCE TO BOYDS ON BUTE.  But that does not mean that they were not > there at some time after about 1140 or so.  Just that I have not fond any > reference, so far.>> My "understanding" of Scottish history is that the Vikings had control of > all the Islands on the western Scotland - which I assume means Bute.  (I > think a few months ago, I saw of reference that Sir Robert Boyd, IV, fled > to Bute to get away form King Edward of England.  And that was the closest > that I have seen to any settlement by a Boyd on Bute in over 900 years.)>> And if as we know that Simon was the Half - brother of Walter, the first > High Stewart of Scotland, then he is very unlikely to have had land or > settled under Viking control on Bute.>> BUT I COULD BE WRONG!  And quite happy to admit if there is evidence.>> Has anyone visited the New York Public Library recently and do you know if > this room is still there with Black's Cards?>> Or is there someone now living in NYC, that might be able to add this to > the list of their tasks the next time they visit this Library to see what > is "ACTUALLY SAID ON THESE CARDS ABOUT CLAN BOYD"?  And to advise the > list?>> Thank you>> Mike Boyd> Brisbane, Australia>