Amazon’s capacity to intuit what I am thinking about is remarkable: > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1626540594?ref=em_1p_0_im&ref_=pe_2313390_457901930 <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1626540594?ref=em_1p_0_im&ref_=pe_2313390_457901930> > On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Mary Helton via CLANBOYD <[email protected]> wrote: > > Quaker naming patterns: > https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/357299/curious-know-how-quakers-started-using-biblical-first-names#:~:targetText=Quakers%20usually%20followed%20a%20naming,pattern%20sometimes%20varied%20by%20order. > > Colonial naming patterns: > https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/walker/29775/ > > This book can also be very helpful in researching naming patterns: > Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Quaker naming patterns: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/357299/curious-know-how-quakers-started-using-biblical-first-names#:~:targetText=Quakers%20usually%20followed%20a%20naming,pattern%20sometimes%20varied%20by%20order. Colonial naming patterns: https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/walker/29775/ This book can also be very helpful in researching naming patterns: Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer

Folks, I'm seeing a problem with long, run-on additions to our extended email connections. It gets near impossible to follow the posts before just getting tired of hitting page down. SO; Do NOT answer an email with a new family or question. Start your own. Rootsweb saves messages by the Title not the inserted message. Do hit the arrow on the top right to reply (automatically pops you into Clanboyd emails AND keeps it under the same message line) Do REMOVE the previous message, unless you copy a specific part of the message. How to remove? When you start to draft your reply you will see 3 dots in the text section [ ... ] Click on those 3 dots and ALL the previous messages will show in the draft. This is hidden in the draft BUT visible to all recipients when they open your new message. Highlight ALL the material- remember we already saw it. DELETE. Then send your message. This is a Rootsweb problem or the admins of this group can not change the settings. Regardless, save some aggrivation and delete the old messages in your answer. PLEASE and Thank you, -- Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected]

The first Mormon activity in Ireland is in 1840. They did focus on Hillsborough, County Down and the nearby County Antrim region. None of the 1700s Boyd families would have a Mormon connection. Colin -- Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected]

Good afternoon everyone, @Mike, thank you for reaching out. You've given me a lot to consider, and I'm going to be frank with you, I may not have a lot to offer as far as answers. I'm not a member of any sites that would offer documents, so anything behind a paywall (such as birth and death certificates, wills and testaments, etc) aren't something I have access to. I do not know the location in NC. All the resources I've found, such as https://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/getperson.php?personID=I13727&tree=mykindred01, just say North Carolina. What I can say is that the aforementioned link does mention William Boyd moved to Montgomery, AL from Brunswick County (city unknown) circa 1821. It also appears he married Rebecca Sellers in Brunswick County, NC as well. I can say that he move to and died in Montgomery, Montgomery County, Alabama. This is about as far as I can take it. I don't have documents to prove any of this, just what others have done at the SOURCES that I provided in my original post. @David, thank you for mentioning FTDNA. I've had a couple of others reach out to me about this Boyd FTDNA Y-DNA Project, and will definitely be ordering the Y-111 test before too long. I'm hoping to take advantage of the sales, but we'll see. Thank you everyone, John Boyd ________________________________ From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 2:31 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Firstly John welcome to this list. We are the friendly people, that will help people with their problems. Secondly, there is no wrong or right way to post or to format. Thirdly there are no SILLY QUESTIONS EITHER. If you do not know something about your family or Clan Boyd, ask the list. (I am sure that there are another 100 people out there who would like to know the answer to the same question. I am trying to do several other letters and queries at present. BUT I TAKE IT, that you do not know where in NC in 1772, your William Boyd was born. William Boyd is about the fifth most common male Boyd name. So that means that you will most likely find 22,000 of them rather than the 27,000 as for the more popular John Boyd. Do you know the town and County in NC that he was born in but just did not mention it? Or do you need to find it? So, does his death Certificate of 1852 tell you where he was born? This will help the list to identify his possible family in NC. As Boyds came down the Great Wagon Road in the 1740's, I suspect that they have also come to NC about the same time, in those inland counties. At the time of his death, [Is Montgomery the town or County?] were there any Newspapers that may have given an account of his life and outlined where he was born. And thirdly, when and where was he married. Hopefully in NC? So that location may also have been his birth location. And once this location is known in NC, the list can start to narrow down which Boyd family in NC that you may belong to. And the area that he lived in in Alabama, may have an County history, in which his family is mentioned. So, that may also tell you where in NC he came from to allow you to get started with looking for his family in NC. And I wold assume that it goes back to either PA or MD. I will get one with my other list of jobs for this morning and hopefully on Sunday, I can look at your query in more detail. And others may - from the data you have posted - be able to make other connections or have other questions about your Boyd family of NC. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: John Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Firstly, I'm new to mailing list. I'm probably going to do some things wrong, as far as formatting and responding. I've already shown I don't know how to do it on another Boyd mailing list. Secondly, my first post to this mailing list will be a repeat of the one I sent to another Boyd mailing list about a week ago. I'm not here to spam, but I currently only have this one specific question. Please bear with me if you've seen this already. The more visibility I have to more experienced genealogist and researchers, the more successful my own endeavors will be. I'm new to genealogy. I've been working for a couple of years, off and on, to trace my paternal lineage. Alas, I'm not the greatest at taking notes when it matters, and I failed to properly document my sources when I initially think I traced my lineage back to Scotland. Now I'm stuck trying to track further back than William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL]. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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Thanks Colin! Debbie On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 17:47, Colin Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: > Deborah,Th > It was named after your Nottingham like most original Pennsylvania > counties and townshps are named after England locations or people. This is > part of Penn's followers ie Quakers. Not till the Scotch-Irish of 1718 > appear do we get Ireland/Scotland names in west Cheste and Lancaster > counties etc. > The names have nothing to do with Boyds or their origins. > Colin > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 12:06 PM Deborah Rea <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I was thinking that the one in Chester was perhaps named after > Nottingham, > > England - about 40 minutes from me. > > > > Re Marion Boyd b. 1704 - see attached. > > > > > > > Colin Brooks > The 1718 Project > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

I merely urge caution. The names can be helpful, but with limitations. Another limitation is when there is a second spouse. A friend was working the family of a particular Alexander Young. The names worked fine for the first 3 children — and then go haywire. After considerable digging, Alexander had a wife who bore him 3 children. After a gap of half a dozen years, he remarried and had seven more. We could not have unraveled that decisively had my friend not located a probate document spelling out the exact relationships. > On Dec 6, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bruce and all > > At any time where you are trying to go back another generation in your Boyd family tree and you have no “Folklore” to work with, etc, both the Irish and Scottish naming pattern’s as outlined by Debbie MIGHT BE OR COULD BE USEFUL in your possible area of research or where you may need to look. > > If you look at the known children - in say your third known generation – this will allow you to see if the family has applied the naming pattern for that generation. > > NORMALLY, if you have a child about every two years, you can be reasonably sure that you have most of the children. But if there are 3, 4, or 5-year gaps, between the known children, it may suggest that others were born and died at birth, within a few weeks or even in a year or so. And if gaps do occur in this third generation, it does make it a little more difficult to research. > > But, if we use John Boyd’s recent posting on his family, as an example. > > And if we assume that this William Boyd of NC, born in 1772, had a “first known son of James Boyd”. > > So, when John is looking in NC “records”, he would now start to look for a possible father of William Boyd, of “James Boyd”. > > So, in this case it would allow us to look at all the James Boyd’s listed in the 1790 US Census for North Carolina. This may give you 2, 3, or 4 people to look at – with the County they came from – compared to the 35 or so Boyds listed in this Census. > > However, tomorrow if John finds out this “James Boyd” had an elder brother, called “John Boyd”, he would need to go back to the 1790 US Census for North Carolina, and look for those entries that have a “John Boyd”. And start the process of trying to remove those John Boyd families, that do not fit his known Boyd family details. > > And if any names are re-used for the children of this “third” generation, I would assume that you would have to adjust the naming pattern order. > > So, by knowing this naming pattern, it will help to narrow down your area of research. > > The other benefit of knowing the naming pattern, is that when you have spent two or three decades researching and “written your book”, the last Chapter, should include a degree of speculation of where future researchers might find data in future on your family. For example, if they were Presbyterian in religion, this would suggest came from either Ireland or Scotland, or a Blacksmith – suggesting that his father was also a blacksmith; or a Minister, that he is an “younger” brother. So, the “known” details of these “early” generations of your family, will be helpful in writing that last Chapter of your “book”. > > So, one of the sections of this last Chapter, will be using the naming pattern – perhaps both the Irish and Scottish – to suggest whom the possible father and grandfather might be. > > And if your Boyd family, came from Pennsylvania in the early 1700’s, I would have said that it was 99% certain that your family came from Ireland – most likely County Antrim – and were Presbyterian. > > But if as Mary Helton, as recently told us there were Quakers Boyds in Bucks County in 1683, this means the possible origins of early Boyd families, could also be in England rather than Ireland. And that we need to look at Quaker records and not Presbyterian records. And those records may not be in Ireland but in England. So, each known fact, may help point people where to look for records on your family > > So, use your “years” of experience of find hard data on your family to point the direction of where your family MIGHT HAVE COME FROM, prior to being at a location within the USA, Ireland or England. And this is also why it is useful to know where other people in your known location came from. > > And you need to leave signposts, for the future generation and writers of your family story, may start to look for the data that you could not find in your own research. And these “suggestions” or “speculations” may help the next generations to ask the questions that you did not think of, while trying to get your hard data on your family. > > Or your Boyd family may be just one of those families that did not follow the rules. > > But all these “aids” need to be used to point others where to look for your family origins in future. > > I hope that I have outlined this clearly. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust > > > -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shields > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 11:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name > > I grasp what Mike is getting at. If you have a complete family record, as I have for the family of John Shields of Alton Loudoun, you can plainly see that the first son born in 1812 died and was replaced by the 9th son born in 1832. From the complete grid, the replacement is clear. But I think what Mike is getting at is that when the record is full of gaps, the modern researcher has no way to sort that out. John stayed in the same cottage on the Loudoun estate while his family was growing. But if he had moved to a different county, so that the first William was not known to us at the time, we might think that William born 1833 was John’s 7th child, and we would never dream that John’s father was named William. This is always a useful caution: we may not have access to all the relevant records. The naming pattern up to 1850 gives a hint of where to look. It is not a cast in bronze rule — and I can document Scottish intellectuals who completely evaded the pattern. > >> On Dec 6, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: >> >> *The pattern generally went as follows:* >> >> - The first son was named after the father's father. >> - The second son after the mother's father. >> - The third son after the father. >> - The first daughter after the mother's mother. >> - The second daughter after the father's mother. >> - The third daughter after the mother. >> >> The Irish naming pattern is: >> >> *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the >> later 19th century:* >> >> - First son usually named for the father's father >> - Second son usually named for the mother's father >> - Third son usually named for the father >> - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother >> - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother >> - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother >> - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother >> - Third daughter usually named for the mother >> - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister >> - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. >> >> >> Debbie >> >> On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:12, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Bruce, I spent an hour or so, this afternoon trying to find my Naming >>> Pattern details, for Scotland and Ireland and other counties. Without any >>> luck >>> >>> There is an naming pattern used in Scotland. >>> >>> But that is "upset" when one of the children die and the name is re-used. >>> >>> Mike Boyd >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bruce Shields >>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:49 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name >>> >>> I do not know the cultural origins of the Scottish Naming Pattern. I >>> suspect it is extremely old, far predating Christian cultures. I am aware >>> that analogous patterns exist in other European cultures. My son worked >>> for >>> agricultural extension in remote areas of Mali, West Africa. Nominally >>> Muslim, they still maintained a standing stone dedicated to ancestors in a >>> remote grove of trees which were never harvested. Following the birth of >>> a >>> child, they held some sort of naming ceremony involving placing blood as >>> an >>> offering to sanctify the name of that child, and pray that one of the >>> ancestors would sponsor that child’s existence. >>> >>> I have at least two clear instances of re-using names following death of >>> an >>> infant in my own direct Shields line. My great grandfather’s uncle John >>> Shields lived beside Loudoun Castle. He married Jean Young, a neighbor at >>> Loudoun Altoun. His first child, born 1812, was William (paternal >>> grandfather’s name). This William Shields died early in 1831. Late in >>> 1831, Jean Young Shields gave birth to their 9th child, named William >>> Shields. That is amply documented. I find a couple more instances of >>> that >>> in the next generation. But following 1850, family size begins to shrink >>> dramatically — and I find no further instances of “filling in the grid.” >>> But that fact baffled the earliest genealogist to work on that family. >>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Steve Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> I must comment on point 5 below. >>>> >>>> Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not >>>> uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. >>>> If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child >>>> died before the second was born. >>>> Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in >>> some >>>> sort of commemoration of the first child. >>>> It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before >>> the >>>> age of about five. >>>> >>>> In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. >>>> James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John >>> born >>>> in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . >>>> I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. >>>> >>>> I thought this information might be useful to you. >>>> >>>> Steve Boyd >>>> Melton, Victoria, Australia >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 >>>>> From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married >>>>> John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, >>>>> PA >>>>> To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>> >>>>> Dave and List >>>>> >>>> ..............snip........... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – >>>>> 1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland >>>>> 2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in >>> 1692 >>>>> with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But >>> I >>>>> have not seen any hard evidence either way. >>>>> 3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, >>>>> Stirlingshire in 1691 >>>>> 4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 >>>>> January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. >>>>> 5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John >>>>> Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would >>> name >>>>> two sons “John”. >>>>> >>>> ..............snip........... >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >>>> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >>>> confirm the facts in original sources. >>>> >>>> Clan Boyd Society, International >>>> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and >>>> working. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>>> community >>> >>> Bruce P. Shields >>> 6405 Garfield Rd >>> Hyde Park VT 05655 >>> (802) 888 5165 >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________ >>> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >>> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >>> confirm >>> the facts in original sources. >>> >>> Clan Boyd Society, International >>> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________ >>> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >>> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >>> confirm the facts in original sources. >>> >>> Clan Boyd Society, International >>> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >>> >> >> >> -- >> Debbie Rea >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Bruce P. Shields 6405 Garfield Rd Hyde Park VT 05655 (802) 888 5165 [email protected]

Pearl Harbour, 7 December 1941. It is 7 am Saturday 7 December hear in Australia In one hours-time, Peral harbour will be bombed in 1941 There is one Boyd from Alabama, who is still on duty aboard the US Arizona. I saw his name listed on the Rolls at Peral Harbour in 2003, but I have never been able to find out which Boyd family he come form in Alabama. Perhaps, someone on this list know form which family in Alabama he come from Mike Boyd Historical Committee Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Bruce and all At any time where you are trying to go back another generation in your Boyd family tree and you have no “Folklore” to work with, etc, both the Irish and Scottish naming pattern’s as outlined by Debbie MIGHT BE OR COULD BE USEFUL in your possible area of research or where you may need to look. If you look at the known children - in say your third known generation – this will allow you to see if the family has applied the naming pattern for that generation. NORMALLY, if you have a child about every two years, you can be reasonably sure that you have most of the children. But if there are 3, 4, or 5-year gaps, between the known children, it may suggest that others were born and died at birth, within a few weeks or even in a year or so. And if gaps do occur in this third generation, it does make it a little more difficult to research. But, if we use John Boyd’s recent posting on his family, as an example. And if we assume that this William Boyd of NC, born in 1772, had a “first known son of James Boyd”. So, when John is looking in NC “records”, he would now start to look for a possible father of William Boyd, of “James Boyd”. So, in this case it would allow us to look at all the James Boyd’s listed in the 1790 US Census for North Carolina. This may give you 2, 3, or 4 people to look at – with the County they came from – compared to the 35 or so Boyds listed in this Census. However, tomorrow if John finds out this “James Boyd” had an elder brother, called “John Boyd”, he would need to go back to the 1790 US Census for North Carolina, and look for those entries that have a “John Boyd”. And start the process of trying to remove those John Boyd families, that do not fit his known Boyd family details. And if any names are re-used for the children of this “third” generation, I would assume that you would have to adjust the naming pattern order. So, by knowing this naming pattern, it will help to narrow down your area of research. The other benefit of knowing the naming pattern, is that when you have spent two or three decades researching and “written your book”, the last Chapter, should include a degree of speculation of where future researchers might find data in future on your family. For example, if they were Presbyterian in religion, this would suggest came from either Ireland or Scotland, or a Blacksmith – suggesting that his father was also a blacksmith; or a Minister, that he is an “younger” brother. So, the “known” details of these “early” generations of your family, will be helpful in writing that last Chapter of your “book”. So, one of the sections of this last Chapter, will be using the naming pattern – perhaps both the Irish and Scottish – to suggest whom the possible father and grandfather might be. And if your Boyd family, came from Pennsylvania in the early 1700’s, I would have said that it was 99% certain that your family came from Ireland – most likely County Antrim – and were Presbyterian. But if as Mary Helton, as recently told us there were Quakers Boyds in Bucks County in 1683, this means the possible origins of early Boyd families, could also be in England rather than Ireland. And that we need to look at Quaker records and not Presbyterian records. And those records may not be in Ireland but in England. So, each known fact, may help point people where to look for records on your family So, use your “years” of experience of find hard data on your family to point the direction of where your family MIGHT HAVE COME FROM, prior to being at a location within the USA, Ireland or England. And this is also why it is useful to know where other people in your known location came from. And you need to leave signposts, for the future generation and writers of your family story, may start to look for the data that you could not find in your own research. And these “suggestions” or “speculations” may help the next generations to ask the questions that you did not think of, while trying to get your hard data on your family. Or your Boyd family may be just one of those families that did not follow the rules. But all these “aids” need to be used to point others where to look for your family origins in future. I hope that I have outlined this clearly. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Shields Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 11:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name I grasp what Mike is getting at. If you have a complete family record, as I have for the family of John Shields of Alton Loudoun, you can plainly see that the first son born in 1812 died and was replaced by the 9th son born in 1832. From the complete grid, the replacement is clear. But I think what Mike is getting at is that when the record is full of gaps, the modern researcher has no way to sort that out. John stayed in the same cottage on the Loudoun estate while his family was growing. But if he had moved to a different county, so that the first William was not known to us at the time, we might think that William born 1833 was John’s 7th child, and we would never dream that John’s father was named William. This is always a useful caution: we may not have access to all the relevant records. The naming pattern up to 1850 gives a hint of where to look. It is not a cast in bronze rule — and I can document Scottish intellectuals who completely evaded the pattern. > On Dec 6, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: > > *The pattern generally went as follows:* > > - The first son was named after the father's father. > - The second son after the mother's father. > - The third son after the father. > - The first daughter after the mother's mother. > - The second daughter after the father's mother. > - The third daughter after the mother. > > The Irish naming pattern is: > > *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the > later 19th century:* > > - First son usually named for the father's father > - Second son usually named for the mother's father > - Third son usually named for the father > - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother > - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother > - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother > - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother > - Third daughter usually named for the mother > - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister > - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. > > > Debbie > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:12, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Bruce, I spent an hour or so, this afternoon trying to find my Naming >> Pattern details, for Scotland and Ireland and other counties. Without >> any >> luck >> >> There is an naming pattern used in Scotland. >> >> But that is "upset" when one of the children die and the name is re-used. >> >> Mike Boyd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce Shields >> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:49 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name >> >> I do not know the cultural origins of the Scottish Naming Pattern. I >> suspect it is extremely old, far predating Christian cultures. I am >> aware >> that analogous patterns exist in other European cultures. My son worked >> for >> agricultural extension in remote areas of Mali, West Africa. Nominally >> Muslim, they still maintained a standing stone dedicated to ancestors in >> a >> remote grove of trees which were never harvested. Following the birth of >> a >> child, they held some sort of naming ceremony involving placing blood as >> an >> offering to sanctify the name of that child, and pray that one of the >> ancestors would sponsor that child’s existence. >> >> I have at least two clear instances of re-using names following death of >> an >> infant in my own direct Shields line. My great grandfather’s uncle John >> Shields lived beside Loudoun Castle. He married Jean Young, a neighbor >> at >> Loudoun Altoun. His first child, born 1812, was William (paternal >> grandfather’s name). This William Shields died early in 1831. Late in >> 1831, Jean Young Shields gave birth to their 9th child, named William >> Shields. That is amply documented. I find a couple more instances of >> that >> in the next generation. But following 1850, family size begins to shrink >> dramatically — and I find no further instances of “filling in the grid.” >> But that fact baffled the earliest genealogist to work on that family. >> >>> On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Steve Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I must comment on point 5 below. >>> >>> Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not >>> uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. >>> If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child >>> died before the second was born. >>> Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in >> some >>> sort of commemoration of the first child. >>> It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before >> the >>> age of about five. >>> >>> In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. >>> James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John >> born >>> in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . >>> I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. >>> >>> I thought this information might be useful to you. >>> >>> Steve Boyd >>> Melton, Victoria, Australia >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 >>>> From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married >>>> John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, >>>> PA >>>> To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Dave and List >>>> >>> ..............snip........... >>> >>>> >>>> In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – >>>> 1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland >>>> 2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in >> 1692 >>>> with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But >> I >>>> have not seen any hard evidence either way. >>>> 3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, >>>> Stirlingshire in 1691 >>>> 4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 >>>> January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late >>>> 1693. >>>> 5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John >>>> Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would >> name >>>> two sons “John”. >>>> >>> ..............snip........... >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________ >>> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >>> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >>> confirm the facts in original sources. >>> >>> Clan Boyd Society, International >>> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and >>> working. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >> >> Bruce P. Shields >> 6405 Garfield Rd >> Hyde Park VT 05655 >> (802) 888 5165 >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >> confirm >> the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and >> working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >> confirm the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and >> working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Debbie Rea > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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One other thing to consider, John, is taking a Y-DNA test. You need to go to a specialist agency rather than somewhere like Ancestry. Many of us are with a company called "Family Tree DNA". Inside the Boyd family there are a lot of sub-clans so taking the test and joining Family Tree DNA's Boyd Project will help you see the closest Boyds to you. You can then look for a common ancestor: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/boyddnanet/about/background https://www.familytreedna.com/public/boyddnanet?iframe=ycolorized Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> Sent: 06 December 2019 20:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Firstly John welcome to this list. We are the friendly people, that will help people with their problems. Secondly, there is no wrong or right way to post or to format. Thirdly there are no SILLY QUESTIONS EITHER. If you do not know something about your family or Clan Boyd, ask the list. (I am sure that there are another 100 people out there who would like to know the answer to the same question. I am trying to do several other letters and queries at present. BUT I TAKE IT, that you do not know where in NC in 1772, your William Boyd was born. William Boyd is about the fifth most common male Boyd name. So that means that you will most likely find 22,000 of them rather than the 27,000 as for the more popular John Boyd. Do you know the town and County in NC that he was born in but just did not mention it? Or do you need to find it? So, does his death Certificate of 1852 tell you where he was born? This will help the list to identify his possible family in NC. As Boyds came down the Great Wagon Road in the 1740's, I suspect that they have also come to NC about the same time, in those inland counties. At the time of his death, [Is Montgomery the town or County?] were there any Newspapers that may have given an account of his life and outlined where he was born. And thirdly, when and where was he married. Hopefully in NC? So that location may also have been his birth location. And once this location is known in NC, the list can start to narrow down which Boyd family in NC that you may belong to. And the area that he lived in in Alabama, may have an County history, in which his family is mentioned. So, that may also tell you where in NC he came from to allow you to get started with looking for his family in NC. And I wold assume that it goes back to either PA or MD. I will get one with my other list of jobs for this morning and hopefully on Sunday, I can look at your query in more detail. And others may - from the data you have posted - be able to make other connections or have other questions about your Boyd family of NC. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: John Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Firstly, I'm new to mailing list. I'm probably going to do some things wrong, as far as formatting and responding. I've already shown I don't know how to do it on another Boyd mailing list. Secondly, my first post to this mailing list will be a repeat of the one I sent to another Boyd mailing list about a week ago. I'm not here to spam, but I currently only have this one specific question. Please bear with me if you've seen this already. The more visibility I have to more experienced genealogist and researchers, the more successful my own endeavors will be. I'm new to genealogy. I've been working for a couple of years, off and on, to trace my paternal lineage. Alas, I'm not the greatest at taking notes when it matters, and I failed to properly document my sources when I initially think I traced my lineage back to Scotland. Now I'm stuck trying to track further back than William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL]. _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Mike - not sure if I sent you names of Boyds from Nottingham. I think I did. If not let me know (not at home at the moment so only access to phone which needs charging. Besides looking at Quakers we should be looking at the Mormons. My John Shields b. 1805 was one of first people to first go from Scotland to Ireland and then went on to the States as a Mormon. By the way I am a transplant from Connecticut USA and because of my Irish granny I have duel Irish and American citizenship. Debbie On Fri, 6 Dec 2019, 20:07 Mike Boyd, <[email protected]> wrote: > Debbie > Where ever you go in the USA, you can se quite a lot of English, Scottish > and Irish town names. > > In my late wife's family, I think it was her Jones's or it could be Thomas > - > yes from Cardiff, Wales - and in the 1980's when I went to the Atlas, to > see > where in the USA this Troy was, I found 14 Troy's. WE came to the > conclusion that it was the one in upper NY. So if you take a trip to the > USA eastern half, you will see may names form the UK. > > But this now takes on a NEW MEANING. > > With Mary Helton, telling us that there were Quaker Boyds in Bucks county, > PA in 1683, COULD THESE QUAKERS HAVE COME FROM THE NOTTINGHAM, AREA OF > ENGLAND. > > The first Boyd Quaker family that I had previously THOUGHT WERE THE FIRST > QUAKER TO PA ARRIVED IN ABOUT 1735. They were family of John Boyd and > Jane > Bell from Ballymoney, County Antrim, but they got married in Lurgan, > County > Armagh in 1707. > > FIRST QUESTION, so between 1683 and 1735, how many other Quaker families > came to PA. (Is anyone an "expert" of early Quakers in PA?) > > SECOND QUESTION, Could these - yet unknown Quakers - have come from > Nottingham, England. > > THIRD QUESTION, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE WILLIAM PENN RECRUITED HIS QUAKERS > FROM IN ENGLAND? AND WOULD BOYD FAMILIES HAVE LIVED IN THESE SAME PLACES. > > In the family of John Boyd of Herring Bay, Maryland (born in 1635 in > England - County unknown) - various people say that he was born in > England. > I think he is recorded as having got land in Mary land about 1682. So, > was > there a "MIGRATION" OUT OF ENGLAND UNDER THE CATHOLIC KING JAMES II? > > And is this something that need to be looked at in both England and in PA? > > Up to now, I think that we all think that the migration only came from > Northern Ireland to PA in the early 1700's > > Is this THEORY WORTH DISCUSSING! > > And are their published material may prove or disprove this theory!! > > Mike Boyd > Historical Committee, > Clan Boyd > Brisbane, Aust > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Rea > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 11:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - Boyds in > Nottingham, England > > I was thinking that the one in Chester was perhaps named after Nottingham, > England - about 40 minutes from me. > > Re Marion Boyd b. 1704 - see attached. > > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:39, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Debbie > > > > No the “E. Nottingham” – I assume is a Township in Chester County, PA and > > not in England. > > > > I a sure that may of the list members will find the various websites of > > good > > value. > > > > It is quite surprising just how wide spread Boyd families are in England. > > And they seem to be in these various places from the 1600’s and earlier > in > > the 1500’s. But I have no knowledge of where they came from – either > > Scotland, perhaps France? > > > > Yes, I have heard of the Boyd Marriage Index – but I have never had any > > reason to research it. I understand that it was done by a Mr Boyd in the > > 1800’s. > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, Aust > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Deborah Rea > > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 9:01 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - The Second > > “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > > > Mike and others- I have a question > > > > I've been busy for the last couple of days so haven't been following this > > link. However.....You talk about p. 198 - Landowners, *E. Nottingham*, > > 1772: Andrew Boyd. Would this (E). Nottingham reference have anything to > > do with Nottingham, UK? I said this just before I googled "Nottingham > and > > Boyd families" and when I did a lot of references came up about different > > Boyd families! > > > > One link caught my eye - *You could inherit a fortune if you live in > Notts > > and have one of these surnames - *There are unclaimed estates for all > > these > > 131 different surnames -Clive Richard *Boyd*, born 11/09/1933 in > > Nottingham, died 30/12/2006 in Nottingham ( > > > > > https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/you-could-inherit-fortune-you-657128 > > ). > > > > Kimberley, Nottinghamshire Genealogy - FamilySearch > > https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Gene... > > < > https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Genealogy > > >Guide > > to Kimberley, Nottinghamshire ancestry, family history and genealogy: ... > > BOYD = England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850 (FindMyPast) - free. > > > > GENUKI: Nottinghamshire > > https://www.genuki.org.uk › big › eng › NTT > > <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT>28 Aug 2019 - The Society of > > Genealogists' also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in > > Boyd's Marriage > > Index accessible online via the website. ... The Nottingham Family > History > > Society sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages ... > > > > Church Records > > > > - Ted Wildy's UK Marriage witness index > > <https://www.genuki.org.uk/mwi> entries > > for Nottinghamshire are no longer avaialble on the internet (2015)but > > may > > be become so on Genealogy Britain > > < > > > http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/index.php/faqs-mainmenu-26/genealogy-faqs/wildymwi > > > > > > > - List of the Society of Genealogists' holdings > > <http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records> of Parish Registers for > > Nottinghamshire. > > > > - The Society of Genealogists' <http://www.sog.org.uk/> also have 172 > > out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index > > accessible > > online via the website. > > > > - Information of the location of Quaker Records in Nottinghamshire > > < > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm> > > - > > this leads to > > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm > > provided > > by the Quaker FHS <http://www.qfhs.co.uk/>. This site leads to > > http://www.qfhs.co.uk/ > > > > - The Nottingham Family History Society <https://nottsfhs.org/> > sells a > > CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages and burials. > > > > > > ReferenceNo > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=AltRefNo&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > > > Level > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Level&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > > > Title > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Title&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > > > Date > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Date&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > > > 1 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DC/BI/4/1/3689 File Screveton: St Deny's, Lodge Lane 18 Jun 1957 > > 2 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=1&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/1352/3/1-5 Item Boyd Neel Orchestra 1948 - 1954 > > 3 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=2&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/1392/103 File Some pages of my life 1911 > > 4 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=3&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/1781 Collection DENTAL PRACTICE OF J W BOYD, 28 STATION ROAD, CARLTON > > 1924 > > - 1969 > > 5 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=4&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/1781/1/2 File Monthly treatment costs for each patient 1949 - 1957 > > 6 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=5&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/2178/3/2 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from 'Elsie' re news at > > home (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor) nd [c 1946] > > 7 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=6&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/2178/3/3 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from mother, Mrs J > Boyd, > > giving news of family > > (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor). nd [c 1946] > > 8 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/2619/1/2 File Notebook entitled 'Records and Notes of RJ Raines, 1944 > - > > 1946' 10 Jun 1944 - 26 Apr 1946 > > 9 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=8&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/BMWG/1/1/3/21 File Black Panthers for Beginners by Herb Boyd 1995 > > 10 > > < > > > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=9&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > > > DD/BMWG/1/15/48 File The African Origin of Christianity by Paul C Boyd > > 1991 > > > > > > - If you are looking for Methodist ancestors, start with a visit to > The > > Methodist Heritage site. > > > > - There is also the Joiner Marriage Index > > <http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/marriage-records/Nottinghamshire/> > > for > > Nottinghamshire. > > > > Nottinghamshire Archives > > > > County House > > > > Castle Meadow Road > > > > Nottingham > > > > NG2 1AG > > > > > > > > Have you ever heard of Boyd's Marriage Index??? What about the Joiner > > Marriage Index? > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 07:38, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > > other secondary source. 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I have a hardback book: Two Hundred Years of Church History The History of St. John's, Pequea Protestant Episcopal Church Located at Compass, Chester County, PA By T. Chester Ross. 178 pages Dated 1929 but mine is a 1989 reprint. It did not help me with my family history. (My copy of Captives' Mansion by S R Slaymaker II arrived this morning) Thank you. David Boyd [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mary Helton via CLANBOYD <[email protected]> Sent: 24 November 2019 23:04 To: [email protected] Cc: Mary Helton <[email protected]> Subject: [CLANBOYD] [EXTERNAL] Infomation on St John's Episcopal Church Compas, PA I went to this church's website and copied the following interesting facts about it: In 1729, Baron Stiegel, Catharine the Great and Edmund Burke were born. That same year, a house of worship — St. John’s Church, 1520 King’s Highway, in the village of Compass — was built. Originally a mission of the Church of England, it is now an independent Episcopal parish. ‘Complex history’ This small church, situated in Chester County just feet from the Lancaster County line, has a rich — and complex — history, said the Rev. Nina George-Hacker, rector of the parish. George Ross, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and uncle of the man who married Betsy Ross, rented a pew at the church. The Rev. Edward Buchanan, brother of future president James Buchanan, served as rector from 1835 to 1845 and oversaw the construction of the stone church that still stands. The Rev. Thomas Barton, rector at St. James Church in Lancaster from 1759 to 1778 became the missionary priest to St. John’s. Barton, who had come to America from England, was forced to leave when the Revolutionary War broke out. He died and is buried in New York. St. James Cemetery has a cenotaph - a marker within a cemetery placed in honor of a person whose remains are buried elsewhere - in his honor. As a church that predated the American Revolution, one can imagine the tension within the congregation when the war for independence commenced. The early church St. John’s existed before either the Episcopal Church or the United States of America. John Miller, who owned the Compass Inn, sold the ground for 5 shillings. Martha Bezellon, whose headstone is attached to a wall in the Fellowship Hall, provided the funds. A 20-by-22-foot log house of worship was built as a mission of the Church of England. Twenty-four years later, a stone church was built on the same site and completed in 1762. Contact: Rev. Nina George-Hacker Suzanne Turpin - Administrative Assistant (717) 442-4302 1520 West King's Highway Gap, PA 17527 _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. Clan Boyd Society, International (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Firstly John welcome to this list. We are the friendly people, that will help people with their problems. Secondly, there is no wrong or right way to post or to format. Thirdly there are no SILLY QUESTIONS EITHER. If you do not know something about your family or Clan Boyd, ask the list. (I am sure that there are another 100 people out there who would like to know the answer to the same question. I am trying to do several other letters and queries at present. BUT I TAKE IT, that you do not know where in NC in 1772, your William Boyd was born. William Boyd is about the fifth most common male Boyd name. So that means that you will most likely find 22,000 of them rather than the 27,000 as for the more popular John Boyd. Do you know the town and County in NC that he was born in but just did not mention it? Or do you need to find it? So, does his death Certificate of 1852 tell you where he was born? This will help the list to identify his possible family in NC. As Boyds came down the Great Wagon Road in the 1740's, I suspect that they have also come to NC about the same time, in those inland counties. At the time of his death, [Is Montgomery the town or County?] were there any Newspapers that may have given an account of his life and outlined where he was born. And thirdly, when and where was he married. Hopefully in NC? So that location may also have been his birth location. And once this location is known in NC, the list can start to narrow down which Boyd family in NC that you may belong to. And the area that he lived in in Alabama, may have an County history, in which his family is mentioned. So, that may also tell you where in NC he came from to allow you to get started with looking for his family in NC. And I wold assume that it goes back to either PA or MD. I will get one with my other list of jobs for this morning and hopefully on Sunday, I can look at your query in more detail. And others may - from the data you have posted - be able to make other connections or have other questions about your Boyd family of NC. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: John Boyd Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Getting stuck finding the parents of William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL] Firstly, I'm new to mailing list. I'm probably going to do some things wrong, as far as formatting and responding. I've already shown I don't know how to do it on another Boyd mailing list. Secondly, my first post to this mailing list will be a repeat of the one I sent to another Boyd mailing list about a week ago. I'm not here to spam, but I currently only have this one specific question. Please bear with me if you've seen this already. The more visibility I have to more experienced genealogist and researchers, the more successful my own endeavors will be. I'm new to genealogy. I've been working for a couple of years, off and on, to trace my paternal lineage. Alas, I'm not the greatest at taking notes when it matters, and I failed to properly document my sources when I initially think I traced my lineage back to Scotland. Now I'm stuck trying to track further back than William Boyd [b. 1772 in NC, d. 1852 in Montgomery, AL].

Debbie Where ever you go in the USA, you can se quite a lot of English, Scottish and Irish town names. In my late wife's family, I think it was her Jones's or it could be Thomas - yes from Cardiff, Wales - and in the 1980's when I went to the Atlas, to see where in the USA this Troy was, I found 14 Troy's. WE came to the conclusion that it was the one in upper NY. So if you take a trip to the USA eastern half, you will see may names form the UK. But this now takes on a NEW MEANING. With Mary Helton, telling us that there were Quaker Boyds in Bucks county, PA in 1683, COULD THESE QUAKERS HAVE COME FROM THE NOTTINGHAM, AREA OF ENGLAND. The first Boyd Quaker family that I had previously THOUGHT WERE THE FIRST QUAKER TO PA ARRIVED IN ABOUT 1735. They were family of John Boyd and Jane Bell from Ballymoney, County Antrim, but they got married in Lurgan, County Armagh in 1707. FIRST QUESTION, so between 1683 and 1735, how many other Quaker families came to PA. (Is anyone an "expert" of early Quakers in PA?) SECOND QUESTION, Could these - yet unknown Quakers - have come from Nottingham, England. THIRD QUESTION, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE WILLIAM PENN RECRUITED HIS QUAKERS FROM IN ENGLAND? AND WOULD BOYD FAMILIES HAVE LIVED IN THESE SAME PLACES. In the family of John Boyd of Herring Bay, Maryland (born in 1635 in England - County unknown) - various people say that he was born in England. I think he is recorded as having got land in Mary land about 1682. So, was there a "MIGRATION" OUT OF ENGLAND UNDER THE CATHOLIC KING JAMES II? And is this something that need to be looked at in both England and in PA? Up to now, I think that we all think that the migration only came from Northern Ireland to PA in the early 1700's Is this THEORY WORTH DISCUSSING! And are their published material may prove or disprove this theory!! Mike Boyd Historical Committee, Clan Boyd Brisbane, Aust -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 11:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - Boyds in Nottingham, England I was thinking that the one in Chester was perhaps named after Nottingham, England - about 40 minutes from me. Re Marion Boyd b. 1704 - see attached. On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:39, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Debbie > > No the “E. Nottingham” – I assume is a Township in Chester County, PA and > not in England. > > I a sure that may of the list members will find the various websites of > good > value. > > It is quite surprising just how wide spread Boyd families are in England. > And they seem to be in these various places from the 1600’s and earlier in > the 1500’s. But I have no knowledge of where they came from – either > Scotland, perhaps France? > > Yes, I have heard of the Boyd Marriage Index – but I have never had any > reason to research it. I understand that it was done by a Mr Boyd in the > 1800’s. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Rea > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 9:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - The Second > “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > Mike and others- I have a question > > I've been busy for the last couple of days so haven't been following this > link. However.....You talk about p. 198 - Landowners, *E. Nottingham*, > 1772: Andrew Boyd. Would this (E). Nottingham reference have anything to > do with Nottingham, UK? I said this just before I googled "Nottingham and > Boyd families" and when I did a lot of references came up about different > Boyd families! > > One link caught my eye - *You could inherit a fortune if you live in Notts > and have one of these surnames - *There are unclaimed estates for all > these > 131 different surnames -Clive Richard *Boyd*, born 11/09/1933 in > Nottingham, died 30/12/2006 in Nottingham ( > > https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/you-could-inherit-fortune-you-657128 > ). > > Kimberley, Nottinghamshire Genealogy - FamilySearch > https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Gene... > <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Genealogy > >Guide > to Kimberley, Nottinghamshire ancestry, family history and genealogy: ... > BOYD = England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850 (FindMyPast) - free. > > GENUKI: Nottinghamshire > https://www.genuki.org.uk › big › eng › NTT > <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT>28 Aug 2019 - The Society of > Genealogists' also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in > Boyd's Marriage > Index accessible online via the website. ... The Nottingham Family History > Society sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages ... > > Church Records > > - Ted Wildy's UK Marriage witness index > <https://www.genuki.org.uk/mwi> entries > for Nottinghamshire are no longer avaialble on the internet (2015)but > may > be become so on Genealogy Britain > < > http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/index.php/faqs-mainmenu-26/genealogy-faqs/wildymwi > > > > - List of the Society of Genealogists' holdings > <http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records> of Parish Registers for > Nottinghamshire. > > - The Society of Genealogists' <http://www.sog.org.uk/> also have 172 > out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index > accessible > online via the website. > > - Information of the location of Quaker Records in Nottinghamshire > <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm> > - > this leads to > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm > provided > by the Quaker FHS <http://www.qfhs.co.uk/>. This site leads to > http://www.qfhs.co.uk/ > > - The Nottingham Family History Society <https://nottsfhs.org/> sells a > CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages and burials. > > > ReferenceNo > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=AltRefNo&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > Level > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Level&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > Title > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Title&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > Date > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Date&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > 1 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DC/BI/4/1/3689 File Screveton: St Deny's, Lodge Lane 18 Jun 1957 > 2 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=1&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1352/3/1-5 Item Boyd Neel Orchestra 1948 - 1954 > 3 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=2&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1392/103 File Some pages of my life 1911 > 4 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=3&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1781 Collection DENTAL PRACTICE OF J W BOYD, 28 STATION ROAD, CARLTON > 1924 > - 1969 > 5 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=4&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1781/1/2 File Monthly treatment costs for each patient 1949 - 1957 > 6 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=5&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/2178/3/2 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from 'Elsie' re news at > home (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor) nd [c 1946] > 7 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=6&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/2178/3/3 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from mother, Mrs J Boyd, > giving news of family > (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor). nd [c 1946] > 8 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/2619/1/2 File Notebook entitled 'Records and Notes of RJ Raines, 1944 - > 1946' 10 Jun 1944 - 26 Apr 1946 > 9 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=8&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/BMWG/1/1/3/21 File Black Panthers for Beginners by Herb Boyd 1995 > 10 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=9&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/BMWG/1/15/48 File The African Origin of Christianity by Paul C Boyd > 1991 > > > - If you are looking for Methodist ancestors, start with a visit to The > Methodist Heritage site. > > - There is also the Joiner Marriage Index > <http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/marriage-records/Nottinghamshire/> > for > Nottinghamshire. > > Nottinghamshire Archives > > County House > > Castle Meadow Road > > Nottingham > > NG2 1AG > > > > Have you ever heard of Boyd's Marriage Index??? What about the Joiner > Marriage Index? > > Debbie > > > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 07:38, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea _______________________________________________ ___________________________________ NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. 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James Boyd.I wish to join the Boyd clan please. 

Deborah,Th It was named after your Nottingham like most original Pennsylvania counties and townshps are named after England locations or people. This is part of Penn's followers ie Quakers. Not till the Scotch-Irish of 1718 appear do we get Ireland/Scotland names in west Cheste and Lancaster counties etc. The names have nothing to do with Boyds or their origins. Colin On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 12:06 PM Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: > I was thinking that the one in Chester was perhaps named after Nottingham, > England - about 40 minutes from me. > > Re Marion Boyd b. 1704 - see attached. > > > Colin Brooks The 1718 Project [email protected]

I grasp what Mike is getting at. If you have a complete family record, as I have for the family of John Shields of Alton Loudoun, you can plainly see that the first son born in 1812 died and was replaced by the 9th son born in 1832. From the complete grid, the replacement is clear. But I think what Mike is getting at is that when the record is full of gaps, the modern researcher has no way to sort that out. John stayed in the same cottage on the Loudoun estate while his family was growing. But if he had moved to a different county, so that the first William was not known to us at the time, we might think that William born 1833 was John’s 7th child, and we would never dream that John’s father was named William. This is always a useful caution: we may not have access to all the relevant records. The naming pattern up to 1850 gives a hint of where to look. It is not a cast in bronze rule — and I can document Scottish intellectuals who completely evaded the pattern. > On Dec 6, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: > > *The pattern generally went as follows:* > > - The first son was named after the father's father. > - The second son after the mother's father. > - The third son after the father. > - The first daughter after the mother's mother. > - The second daughter after the father's mother. > - The third daughter after the mother. > > The Irish naming pattern is: > > *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the > later 19th century:* > > - First son usually named for the father's father > - Second son usually named for the mother's father > - Third son usually named for the father > - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother > - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother > - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother > - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother > - Third daughter usually named for the mother > - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister > - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. > > > Debbie > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:12, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Bruce, I spent an hour or so, this afternoon trying to find my Naming >> Pattern details, for Scotland and Ireland and other counties. Without any >> luck >> >> There is an naming pattern used in Scotland. >> >> But that is "upset" when one of the children die and the name is re-used. >> >> Mike Boyd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce Shields >> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:49 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name >> >> I do not know the cultural origins of the Scottish Naming Pattern. I >> suspect it is extremely old, far predating Christian cultures. I am aware >> that analogous patterns exist in other European cultures. My son worked >> for >> agricultural extension in remote areas of Mali, West Africa. Nominally >> Muslim, they still maintained a standing stone dedicated to ancestors in a >> remote grove of trees which were never harvested. Following the birth of >> a >> child, they held some sort of naming ceremony involving placing blood as >> an >> offering to sanctify the name of that child, and pray that one of the >> ancestors would sponsor that child’s existence. >> >> I have at least two clear instances of re-using names following death of >> an >> infant in my own direct Shields line. My great grandfather’s uncle John >> Shields lived beside Loudoun Castle. He married Jean Young, a neighbor at >> Loudoun Altoun. His first child, born 1812, was William (paternal >> grandfather’s name). This William Shields died early in 1831. Late in >> 1831, Jean Young Shields gave birth to their 9th child, named William >> Shields. That is amply documented. I find a couple more instances of >> that >> in the next generation. But following 1850, family size begins to shrink >> dramatically — and I find no further instances of “filling in the grid.” >> But that fact baffled the earliest genealogist to work on that family. >> >>> On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Steve Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I must comment on point 5 below. >>> >>> Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not >>> uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. >>> If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child >>> died before the second was born. >>> Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in >> some >>> sort of commemoration of the first child. >>> It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before >> the >>> age of about five. >>> >>> In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. >>> James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John >> born >>> in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . >>> I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. >>> >>> I thought this information might be useful to you. >>> >>> Steve Boyd >>> Melton, Victoria, Australia >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 >>>> From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married >>>> John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, >>>> PA >>>> To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Dave and List >>>> >>> ..............snip........... >>> >>>> >>>> In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – >>>> 1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland >>>> 2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in >> 1692 >>>> with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But >> I >>>> have not seen any hard evidence either way. >>>> 3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, >>>> Stirlingshire in 1691 >>>> 4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 >>>> January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. >>>> 5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John >>>> Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would >> name >>>> two sons “John”. >>>> >>> ..............snip........... >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________ >>> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >>> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >>> confirm the facts in original sources. >>> >>> Clan Boyd Society, International >>> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and >>> working. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >> >> Bruce P. Shields >> 6405 Garfield Rd >> Hyde Park VT 05655 >> (802) 888 5165 >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >> confirm >> the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any >> other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed >> confirm the facts in original sources. >> >> Clan Boyd Society, International >> (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Debbie Rea > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I was thinking that the one in Chester was perhaps named after Nottingham, England - about 40 minutes from me. Re Marion Boyd b. 1704 - see attached. On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:39, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Debbie > > No the “E. Nottingham” – I assume is a Township in Chester County, PA and > not in England. > > I a sure that may of the list members will find the various websites of > good > value. > > It is quite surprising just how wide spread Boyd families are in England. > And they seem to be in these various places from the 1600’s and earlier in > the 1500’s. But I have no knowledge of where they came from – either > Scotland, perhaps France? > > Yes, I have heard of the Boyd Marriage Index – but I have never had any > reason to research it. I understand that it was done by a Mr Boyd in the > 1800’s. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Rea > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 9:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - The Second > “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > Mike and others- I have a question > > I've been busy for the last couple of days so haven't been following this > link. However.....You talk about p. 198 - Landowners, *E. Nottingham*, > 1772: Andrew Boyd. Would this (E). Nottingham reference have anything to > do with Nottingham, UK? I said this just before I googled "Nottingham and > Boyd families" and when I did a lot of references came up about different > Boyd families! > > One link caught my eye - *You could inherit a fortune if you live in Notts > and have one of these surnames - *There are unclaimed estates for all these > 131 different surnames -Clive Richard *Boyd*, born 11/09/1933 in > Nottingham, died 30/12/2006 in Nottingham ( > > https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/you-could-inherit-fortune-you-657128 > ). > > Kimberley, Nottinghamshire Genealogy - FamilySearch > https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Gene... > <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Genealogy > >Guide > to Kimberley, Nottinghamshire ancestry, family history and genealogy: ... > BOYD = England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850 (FindMyPast) - free. > > GENUKI: Nottinghamshire > https://www.genuki.org.uk › big › eng › NTT > <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT>28 Aug 2019 - The Society of > Genealogists' also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in > Boyd's Marriage > Index accessible online via the website. ... The Nottingham Family History > Society sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages ... > > Church Records > > - Ted Wildy's UK Marriage witness index > <https://www.genuki.org.uk/mwi> entries > for Nottinghamshire are no longer avaialble on the internet (2015)but > may > be become so on Genealogy Britain > < > http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/index.php/faqs-mainmenu-26/genealogy-faqs/wildymwi > > > > - List of the Society of Genealogists' holdings > <http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records> of Parish Registers for > Nottinghamshire. > > - The Society of Genealogists' <http://www.sog.org.uk/> also have 172 > out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index > accessible > online via the website. > > - Information of the location of Quaker Records in Nottinghamshire > <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm> > - > this leads to > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm > provided > by the Quaker FHS <http://www.qfhs.co.uk/>. This site leads to > http://www.qfhs.co.uk/ > > - The Nottingham Family History Society <https://nottsfhs.org/> sells a > CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages and burials. > > > ReferenceNo > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=AltRefNo&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > Level > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Level&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > Title > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Title&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > Date > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Date&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10 > > > 1 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DC/BI/4/1/3689 File Screveton: St Deny's, Lodge Lane 18 Jun 1957 > 2 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=1&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1352/3/1-5 Item Boyd Neel Orchestra 1948 - 1954 > 3 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=2&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1392/103 File Some pages of my life 1911 > 4 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=3&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1781 Collection DENTAL PRACTICE OF J W BOYD, 28 STATION ROAD, CARLTON > 1924 > - 1969 > 5 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=4&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/1781/1/2 File Monthly treatment costs for each patient 1949 - 1957 > 6 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=5&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/2178/3/2 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from 'Elsie' re news at > home (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor) nd [c 1946] > 7 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=6&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/2178/3/3 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from mother, Mrs J Boyd, > giving news of family > (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor). nd [c 1946] > 8 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/2619/1/2 File Notebook entitled 'Records and Notes of RJ Raines, 1944 - > 1946' 10 Jun 1944 - 26 Apr 1946 > 9 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=8&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/BMWG/1/1/3/21 File Black Panthers for Beginners by Herb Boyd 1995 > 10 > < > http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=9&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29 > > > DD/BMWG/1/15/48 File The African Origin of Christianity by Paul C Boyd 1991 > > > - If you are looking for Methodist ancestors, start with a visit to The > Methodist Heritage site. > > - There is also the Joiner Marriage Index > <http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/marriage-records/Nottinghamshire/> > for > Nottinghamshire. > > Nottinghamshire Archives > > County House > > Castle Meadow Road > > Nottingham > > NG2 1AG > > > > Have you ever heard of Boyd's Marriage Index??? What about the Joiner > Marriage Index? > > Debbie > > > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 07:38, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

Debbie No the “E. Nottingham” – I assume is a Township in Chester County, PA and not in England. I a sure that may of the list members will find the various websites of good value. It is quite surprising just how wide spread Boyd families are in England. And they seem to be in these various places from the 1600’s and earlier in the 1500’s. But I have no knowledge of where they came from – either Scotland, perhaps France? Yes, I have heard of the Boyd Marriage Index – but I have never had any reason to research it. I understand that it was done by a Mr Boyd in the 1800’s. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Rev Adam Boyd living male ancestor - The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family Mike and others- I have a question I've been busy for the last couple of days so haven't been following this link. However.....You talk about p. 198 - Landowners, *E. Nottingham*, 1772: Andrew Boyd. Would this (E). Nottingham reference have anything to do with Nottingham, UK? I said this just before I googled "Nottingham and Boyd families" and when I did a lot of references came up about different Boyd families! One link caught my eye - *You could inherit a fortune if you live in Notts and have one of these surnames - *There are unclaimed estates for all these 131 different surnames -Clive Richard *Boyd*, born 11/09/1933 in Nottingham, died 30/12/2006 in Nottingham ( https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/you-could-inherit-fortune-you-657128 ). Kimberley, Nottinghamshire Genealogy - FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Gene... <https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Kimberley,_Nottinghamshire_Genealogy>Guide to Kimberley, Nottinghamshire ancestry, family history and genealogy: ... BOYD = England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850 (FindMyPast) - free. GENUKI: Nottinghamshire https://www.genuki.org.uk › big › eng › NTT <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT>28 Aug 2019 - The Society of Genealogists' also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index accessible online via the website. ... The Nottingham Family History Society sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages ... Church Records - Ted Wildy's UK Marriage witness index <https://www.genuki.org.uk/mwi> entries for Nottinghamshire are no longer avaialble on the internet (2015)but may be become so on Genealogy Britain <http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/index.php/faqs-mainmenu-26/genealogy-faqs/wildymwi> - List of the Society of Genealogists' holdings <http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records> of Parish Registers for Nottinghamshire. - The Society of Genealogists' <http://www.sog.org.uk/> also have 172 out of the 220 ancient Notts parishes in Boyd's Marriage Index accessible online via the website. - Information of the location of Quaker Records in Nottinghamshire <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm> - this leads to http://sites.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/Research/counties/notts.htm provided by the Quaker FHS <http://www.qfhs.co.uk/>. This site leads to http://www.qfhs.co.uk/ - The Nottingham Family History Society <https://nottsfhs.org/> sells a CD-ROM of baptisms, marriages and burials. ReferenceNo <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=AltRefNo&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> Level <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Level&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> Title <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Title&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> Date <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=OverSort.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqField=Date&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29&dsqNum=10> 1 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DC/BI/4/1/3689 File Screveton: St Deny's, Lodge Lane 18 Jun 1957 2 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=1&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1352/3/1-5 Item Boyd Neel Orchestra 1948 - 1954 3 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=2&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1392/103 File Some pages of my life 1911 4 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=3&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1781 Collection DENTAL PRACTICE OF J W BOYD, 28 STATION ROAD, CARLTON 1924 - 1969 5 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=4&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/1781/1/2 File Monthly treatment costs for each patient 1949 - 1957 6 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=5&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/2178/3/2 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from 'Elsie' re news at home (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor) nd [c 1946] 7 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=6&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/2178/3/3 Item Letter to Flight Serjeant W Boyd from mother, Mrs J Boyd, giving news of family (initialled by Glendon Cooke presumably as censor). nd [c 1946] 8 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/2619/1/2 File Notebook entitled 'Records and Notes of RJ Raines, 1944 - 1946' 10 Jun 1944 - 26 Apr 1946 9 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=8&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/BMWG/1/1/3/21 File Black Panthers for Beginners by Herb Boyd 1995 10 <http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=AP266-0029&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=9&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27Boyd%27%29> DD/BMWG/1/15/48 File The African Origin of Christianity by Paul C Boyd 1991 - If you are looking for Methodist ancestors, start with a visit to The Methodist Heritage site. - There is also the Joiner Marriage Index <http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/marriage-records/Nottinghamshire/> for Nottinghamshire. Nottinghamshire Archives County House Castle Meadow Road Nottingham NG2 1AG Have you ever heard of Boyd's Marriage Index??? What about the Joiner Marriage Index? Debbie On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 07:38, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > The Second “Andrew Boyd” in Rev Adam Boyd’s family >

Here's the naming pattern for Scotland: *The pattern generally went as follows:* - The first son was named after the father's father. - The second son after the mother's father. - The third son after the father. - The first daughter after the mother's mother. - The second daughter after the father's mother. - The third daughter after the mother. The Irish naming pattern is: *A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:* - First son usually named for the father's father - Second son usually named for the mother's father - Third son usually named for the father - Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother - Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother - First daughter usually named for the mother's mother - Second daughter usually named for the father's mother - Third daughter usually named for the mother - Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister - Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. Debbie On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:12, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > Bruce, I spent an hour or so, this afternoon trying to find my Naming > Pattern details, for Scotland and Ireland and other counties. Without any > luck > > There is an naming pattern used in Scotland. > > But that is "upset" when one of the children die and the name is re-used. > > Mike Boyd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Shields > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Two children in a family with the same name > > I do not know the cultural origins of the Scottish Naming Pattern. I > suspect it is extremely old, far predating Christian cultures. I am aware > that analogous patterns exist in other European cultures. My son worked > for > agricultural extension in remote areas of Mali, West Africa. Nominally > Muslim, they still maintained a standing stone dedicated to ancestors in a > remote grove of trees which were never harvested. Following the birth of > a > child, they held some sort of naming ceremony involving placing blood as > an > offering to sanctify the name of that child, and pray that one of the > ancestors would sponsor that child’s existence. > > I have at least two clear instances of re-using names following death of > an > infant in my own direct Shields line. My great grandfather’s uncle John > Shields lived beside Loudoun Castle. He married Jean Young, a neighbor at > Loudoun Altoun. His first child, born 1812, was William (paternal > grandfather’s name). This William Shields died early in 1831. Late in > 1831, Jean Young Shields gave birth to their 9th child, named William > Shields. That is amply documented. I find a couple more instances of > that > in the next generation. But following 1850, family size begins to shrink > dramatically — and I find no further instances of “filling in the grid.” > But that fact baffled the earliest genealogist to work on that family. > > > On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Steve Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mike > > > > I must comment on point 5 below. > > > > Having done transcripts of very many cemetery registers, it is not > > uncommon for there to be two children in a family with the same name. > > If you can chase the records through you often find that the first child > > died before the second was born. > > Subsequently another child was given the previous name. Presumably in > some > > sort of commemoration of the first child. > > It was a common occurance in earlier times for children to die before > the > > age of about five. > > > > In fact I have just such an occurence in my Boyd line. > > James Boyd (1746-1815) and Jane Robertson (1765-1828) had a son John > born > > in 1802, and then another son John born in March 1803 . > > I am yet to find any record of the first John's christening or death. > > > > I thought this information might be useful to you. > > > > Steve Boyd > > Melton, Victoria, Australia > > > > > Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:28:27 +1000 > > > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [CLANBOYD] Re: Mary E Boyd of Cumberland Co., PA who married > > > John Aikman - said to be daughter of Rev Adam Boyd of Upper Octorara, > > > PA > > > To: "David Boyd" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > > Dave and List > > > > > ..............snip........... > > > > > > > >In this case, it is known that Rev Adam Boyd’s elder brother was – > > >1) John Boyd born in 1690 said at Edinburgh, Scotland > > >2) While his younger brother, (Rev) Adam Boyd was born in > 1692 > > >with most sources saying in Ballymoney, but some say at Ballymena. But > I > > >have not seen any hard evidence either way. > > >3) The we have your George Boyd being born in Airth, > > >Stirlingshire in 1691 > > >4) And another brother James Boyd being Baptised there in 4 > > >January 1694, at Airth, Stirlingshire, suggesting he was born late 1693. > > >5) And George and James’s parents also have a son named John > > >Boyd born in 1687 at Airth. So, it is very unlikely that they would > name > > >two sons “John”. > > > > > ..............snip........... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > > confirm the facts in original sources. > > > > Clan Boyd Society, International > > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and > > working. > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > Bruce P. Shields > 6405 Garfield Rd > Hyde Park VT 05655 > (802) 888 5165 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm > the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________ > NOTE: Use the data on this list as a finding tool, just as you would any > other secondary source. When you find the name of an ancestor listed > confirm the facts in original sources. > > Clan Boyd Society, International > (The Clan Boyd Web site is down, I am trying to get it back up and working. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea