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    1. RE: [Clan KINCAID] RE: Here is the info I have on John Kincaid bo rn about 1812 married to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in D eerfield Virginia
    2. Kincaid, Travis
    3. I am not sure does it say when she was born the copy of a marriage with John L. and Cordelia Leezer on Sept. 19 1890 that i have is hard to read the hand writing . My Mary A. Kincaid was born about 1824 . Thank You Travis Kincaid Tech Services e-mail , travis.kincaid@uscellular.com cell # 319-721-1373 desk # 319-861-4135 -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Murray [mailto:mmmmuray@softcom.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:30 PM To: CLAN-KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Clan KINCAID] RE: Here is the info I have on John Kincaid born about 1812 marri ed to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia Dear Travis: The LDS IGI has John W. Kincaid married to Mary Ann Baldwin does that seem correct? Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kincaid, Travis" <Travis.Kincaid@uscellular.com> To: <CLAN-KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: [Clan KINCAID] RE: Here is the info I have on John Kincaid born about 1812 marri ed to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia > Hello everyone , > This is what I have right now going from John Kincaid to me. I have hit a > concrete wall, any info to crack this concrete wall would be very > appreciated : > > John Kincaid was born around 1812 he lived in Deerfield Virginia where he > was a farmer and married Mary A (maiden unknown) Kincaid born about 1824. > There children were born in Deerfield Virginia, they are ; Margret born 1843 > , William R. born 1847 , James born 1851 , Andrew born 1852 , and John > Luther born 1856 . > > John Luther Kincaid (died about 1943) moved to Van Buren township in Lee > county Iowa and became a farmer. He married Cordelia Leazer born about 1863, > Iowa daughter of J. Leazer and Jane Kelly. There children was all born in > Donnellson Iowa and they are ; LuLu M.(Brooks) of Barstow, Ca born 1892 , > Osborn L. born 1894 , Nora E.(Brooks) of St. Louis Mo born 1896 , and Denver > L. born 1899 . > > Osborn L.(Hap) Kincaid born on Aug. 27 1894 in Donnellson , Iowa,the son of > John L. and Cordelia Leazer Kincaid. He married Bertha Hazel Pickard on Jan. > 27 1920 and died in 1961 in Keokuk ,Iowa who was born about 1901. She was > daughter of Frank John Pickard and Laura Nesbit. He had been employed at > Midwest carbide for 34 years before his retirement in 1959. Their children > were born in Keokuk , Iowa ; they are William L.of Muscatine born 1920 , > Bernetta (Kustes) born 1922 , and Vera (Smoot)born 1923 both of Alexandria, > MO. At the ripe old age of 91 Hap died leaving 3 grandchildren 11 > great-grandchildren behind he was preceded in death by 2 sons one brother > one sister and one great-grandson. He was laid to reset in the Sharon > Cemetery > > William Luther Kincaid moved to Muscatine , Iowa and worked at Kent Feeds. > He married Mary Leona Weikert born 1921 . She is the daughter of Anthony Leo > Weikert and Eleanor Mae Bruce. They had 2 children who are ; Carol > Madeleine, born July 1943 and Anthony Osborn, born November 1946. Both born > and raised in Muscatine , Iowa > > Anthony Osborn Kincaid lives in Muscatine , Iowa retired from G.P.C., a > division of Kent Feeds. He married his childhood love Linda Lee Thomas born > 03-04-1949 in Muscatine , Iowa. She is the daughter of Joseph Thomas and > Arlene Tutt. They had 5 children all boys they are ; Andrew Patrick born > February 1969 , Travis Lee born November 1971 , Shane William born May 1974 > , Jacob Anthony born November 1976 , and Benjamin James born December 1978 > and died December 1978 . > > Travis Lee Kincaid married Michele Elizabeth Nichols, born June 27 1972 in > Camp LeJeune, North Carolina (U.S.M.C base) on June 10, 1996 then moved to > Cedar Rapids , Iowa. We are still working on our first child > > This is what I have at this very moment, I can not find anymore info for > John Kincaid or Deerfield , Virginia. If anyone has any info that can help > me find a path in the right direction it would be very , very appreciated . > I hope I am not the only one connected to this line of the Kincaid tree > looking for more info to complete the line . Again any and all info would be > welcomed and appreciated > > THANK YOU > TRAVIS KINCAID of the IOWA KINCAID'S > > > ==== CLAN-KINCAID Mailing List ==== > This CLAN-KINCAID list is currently available for adoption! > Interested in becoming the list manager? Go here: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== CLAN-KINCAID Mailing List ==== This CLAN-KINCAID list is currently available for adoption! Interested in becoming the list manager? Go here: http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

    10/23/2002 11:41:05
    1. [Clan KINCAID] RE: Here is the info I have on John Kincaid born about 1812 marri ed to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia
    2. Kincaid, Travis
    3. Hello everyone , This is what I have right now going from John Kincaid to me. I have hit a concrete wall, any info to crack this concrete wall would be very appreciated : John Kincaid was born around 1812 he lived in Deerfield Virginia where he was a farmer and married Mary A (maiden unknown) Kincaid born about 1824. There children were born in Deerfield Virginia, they are ; Margret born 1843 , William R. born 1847 , James born 1851 , Andrew born 1852 , and John Luther born 1856 . John Luther Kincaid (died about 1943) moved to Van Buren township in Lee county Iowa and became a farmer. He married Cordelia Leazer born about 1863, Iowa daughter of J. Leazer and Jane Kelly. There children was all born in Donnellson Iowa and they are ; LuLu M.(Brooks) of Barstow, Ca born 1892 , Osborn L. born 1894 , Nora E.(Brooks) of St. Louis Mo born 1896 , and Denver L. born 1899 . Osborn L.(Hap) Kincaid born on Aug. 27 1894 in Donnellson , Iowa,the son of John L. and Cordelia Leazer Kincaid. He married Bertha Hazel Pickard on Jan. 27 1920 and died in 1961 in Keokuk ,Iowa who was born about 1901. She was daughter of Frank John Pickard and Laura Nesbit. He had been employed at Midwest carbide for 34 years before his retirement in 1959. Their children were born in Keokuk , Iowa ; they are William L.of Muscatine born 1920 , Bernetta (Kustes) born 1922 , and Vera (Smoot)born 1923 both of Alexandria, MO. At the ripe old age of 91 Hap died leaving 3 grandchildren 11 great-grandchildren behind he was preceded in death by 2 sons one brother one sister and one great-grandson. He was laid to reset in the Sharon Cemetery William Luther Kincaid moved to Muscatine , Iowa and worked at Kent Feeds. He married Mary Leona Weikert born 1921 . She is the daughter of Anthony Leo Weikert and Eleanor Mae Bruce. They had 2 children who are ; Carol Madeleine, born July 1943 and Anthony Osborn, born November 1946. Both born and raised in Muscatine , Iowa Anthony Osborn Kincaid lives in Muscatine , Iowa retired from G.P.C., a division of Kent Feeds. He married his childhood love Linda Lee Thomas born 03-04-1949 in Muscatine , Iowa. She is the daughter of Joseph Thomas and Arlene Tutt. They had 5 children all boys they are ; Andrew Patrick born February 1969 , Travis Lee born November 1971 , Shane William born May 1974 , Jacob Anthony born November 1976 , and Benjamin James born December 1978 and died December 1978 . Travis Lee Kincaid married Michele Elizabeth Nichols, born June 27 1972 in Camp LeJeune, North Carolina (U.S.M.C base) on June 10, 1996 then moved to Cedar Rapids , Iowa. We are still working on our first child This is what I have at this very moment, I can not find anymore info for John Kincaid or Deerfield , Virginia. If anyone has any info that can help me find a path in the right direction it would be very , very appreciated . I hope I am not the only one connected to this line of the Kincaid tree looking for more info to complete the line . Again any and all info would be welcomed and appreciated THANK YOU TRAVIS KINCAID of the IOWA KINCAID'S

    10/23/2002 08:05:04
    1. Re: [Clan KINCAID] RE: Here is the info I have on John Kincaid born about 1812 marri ed to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia
    2. Mary Ann Murray
    3. Dear Travis: The LDS IGI has John W. Kincaid married to Mary Ann Baldwin does that seem correct? Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kincaid, Travis" <Travis.Kincaid@uscellular.com> To: <CLAN-KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: [Clan KINCAID] RE: Here is the info I have on John Kincaid born about 1812 marri ed to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia > Hello everyone , > This is what I have right now going from John Kincaid to me. I have hit a > concrete wall, any info to crack this concrete wall would be very > appreciated : > > John Kincaid was born around 1812 he lived in Deerfield Virginia where he > was a farmer and married Mary A (maiden unknown) Kincaid born about 1824. > There children were born in Deerfield Virginia, they are ; Margret born 1843 > , William R. born 1847 , James born 1851 , Andrew born 1852 , and John > Luther born 1856 . > > John Luther Kincaid (died about 1943) moved to Van Buren township in Lee > county Iowa and became a farmer. He married Cordelia Leazer born about 1863, > Iowa daughter of J. Leazer and Jane Kelly. There children was all born in > Donnellson Iowa and they are ; LuLu M.(Brooks) of Barstow, Ca born 1892 , > Osborn L. born 1894 , Nora E.(Brooks) of St. Louis Mo born 1896 , and Denver > L. born 1899 . > > Osborn L.(Hap) Kincaid born on Aug. 27 1894 in Donnellson , Iowa,the son of > John L. and Cordelia Leazer Kincaid. He married Bertha Hazel Pickard on Jan. > 27 1920 and died in 1961 in Keokuk ,Iowa who was born about 1901. She was > daughter of Frank John Pickard and Laura Nesbit. He had been employed at > Midwest carbide for 34 years before his retirement in 1959. Their children > were born in Keokuk , Iowa ; they are William L.of Muscatine born 1920 , > Bernetta (Kustes) born 1922 , and Vera (Smoot)born 1923 both of Alexandria, > MO. At the ripe old age of 91 Hap died leaving 3 grandchildren 11 > great-grandchildren behind he was preceded in death by 2 sons one brother > one sister and one great-grandson. He was laid to reset in the Sharon > Cemetery > > William Luther Kincaid moved to Muscatine , Iowa and worked at Kent Feeds. > He married Mary Leona Weikert born 1921 . She is the daughter of Anthony Leo > Weikert and Eleanor Mae Bruce. They had 2 children who are ; Carol > Madeleine, born July 1943 and Anthony Osborn, born November 1946. Both born > and raised in Muscatine , Iowa > > Anthony Osborn Kincaid lives in Muscatine , Iowa retired from G.P.C., a > division of Kent Feeds. He married his childhood love Linda Lee Thomas born > 03-04-1949 in Muscatine , Iowa. She is the daughter of Joseph Thomas and > Arlene Tutt. They had 5 children all boys they are ; Andrew Patrick born > February 1969 , Travis Lee born November 1971 , Shane William born May 1974 > , Jacob Anthony born November 1976 , and Benjamin James born December 1978 > and died December 1978 . > > Travis Lee Kincaid married Michele Elizabeth Nichols, born June 27 1972 in > Camp LeJeune, North Carolina (U.S.M.C base) on June 10, 1996 then moved to > Cedar Rapids , Iowa. We are still working on our first child > > This is what I have at this very moment, I can not find anymore info for > John Kincaid or Deerfield , Virginia. If anyone has any info that can help > me find a path in the right direction it would be very , very appreciated . > I hope I am not the only one connected to this line of the Kincaid tree > looking for more info to complete the line . Again any and all info would be > welcomed and appreciated > > THANK YOU > TRAVIS KINCAID of the IOWA KINCAID'S > > > ==== CLAN-KINCAID Mailing List ==== > This CLAN-KINCAID list is currently available for adoption! > Interested in becoming the list manager? Go here: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

    10/23/2002 07:30:29
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Here is the info I have on John Kincaid born about 1812 married t o Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia
    2. Kincaid, Travis
    3. Hello everyone , This is what I have right now going from John Kincaid to me. I have hit a concrete wall, any info to crack this concrete wall would be very appreciated : John Kincaid was born around 1812 he lived in Deerfield Virginia where he was a farmer and married Mary A (maiden unknown) Kincaid born about 1824. There children were born in Deerfield Virginia, they are ; Margret born 1843 , William R. born 1847 , James born 1851 , Andrew born 1852 , and John Luther born 1856 . John Luther Kincaid (died about 1943) moved to Van Buren township in Lee county Iowa and became a farmer. He married Cordelia Leazer born about 1863, Iowa daughter of J. Leazer and Jane Kelly. There children was all born in Donnellson Iowa and they are ; LuLu M.(Brooks) of Barstow, Ca born 1892 , Osborn L. born 1894 , Nora E.(Brooks) of St. Louis Mo born 1896 , and Denver L. born 1899 . Osborn L.(Hap) Kincaid born on Aug. 27 1894 in Donnellson , Iowa,the son of John L. and Cordelia Leazer Kincaid. He married Bertha Hazel Pickard on Jan. 27 1920 and died in 1961 in Keokuk ,Iowa who was born about 1901. She was daughter of Frank John Pickard and Laura Nesbit. He had been employed at Midwest carbide for 34 years before his retirement in 1959. Their children were born in Keokuk , Iowa ; they are William L.of Muscatine born 1920 , Bernetta (Kustes) born 1922 , and Vera (Smoot)born 1923 both of Alexandria, MO. At the ripe old age of 91 Hap died leaving 3 grandchildren 11 great-grandchildren behind he was preceded in death by 2 sons one brother one sister and one great-grandson. He was laid to reset in the Sharon Cemetery William Luther Kincaid moved to Muscatine , Iowa and worked at Kent Feeds. He married Mary Leona Weikert born 1921 . She is the daughter of Anthony Leo Weikert and Eleanor Mae Bruce. They had 2 children who are ; Carol Madeleine, born July 1943 and Anthony Osborn, born November 1946. Both born and raised in Muscatine , Iowa Anthony Osborn Kincaid lives in Muscatine , Iowa retired from G.P.C., a division of Kent Feeds. He married his childhood love Linda Lee Thomas born 03-04-1949 in Muscatine , Iowa. She is the daughter of Joseph Thomas and Arlene Tutt. They had 5 children all boys they are ; Andrew Patrick born February 1969 , Travis Lee born November 1971 , Shane William born May 1974 , Jacob Anthony born November 1976 , and Benjamin James born December 1978 and died December 1978 . Travis Lee Kincaid married Michele Elizabeth Nichols, born June 27 1972 in Camp LeJeune, North Carolina (U.S.M.C base) on June 10, 1996 then moved to Cedar Rapids , Iowa. We are still working on our first child This is what I have at this very moment, I can not find anymore info for John Kincaid or Deerfield , Virginia. If anyone has any info that can help me find a path in the right direction it would be very , very appreciated . I hope I am not the only one connected to this line of the Kincaid tree looking for more info to complete the line . Again any and all info would be welcomed and appreciated THANK YOU TRAVIS KINCAID of the IOWA KINCAID'S

    08/08/2002 08:16:04
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Scottish Clan History at Gutenberg Press with emphasis on Clan Mackenzie
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Here is a URL to a book at the Gutenberg Press. It covers in detail the History of the Clan Mackenzie but also relates to the activities from other surrounding Clans. Gutenberg Press has other books on Scottish History that have been scanned in and available as well Thanks to Alastair McIntryre of Elecric Scotland for the reference. http://www.electricscotland.com/etexts/mcknz10.txt Best Regards John A Hansen

    08/02/2002 01:55:34
    1. [Clan KINCAID] List Admin Opportunity
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Now's your chance!! For those who have been waiting for the opportunity to administer this list. I've decided to retire from public life and enjoy my grandchildren and do some traveling with my wife. Here are some guidelines for winning the List Admin title. A: Be Creative in your letter. Humor sells. B: Decision in one week ( next sat July 20 at 5pm PDT) C: Mention if you have any special qualities ( manage the message boards), won genealogy awards etc etc D: I will take a look at the archives to see what posting have been made. So if you've been a flamer then I would forget applying. If you've posted several hundred messages on the surname then you're probably the winner. E: Attempts to bribe ( chocolate, lattes, pies etc) are turned over to Piglet for decision on what the related punishment will be. F: Private Email only. Do not post to the list. Posting to the list will be an automatically disqualifier. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin pro tem jahansen@qwest.net

    07/13/2002 01:44:45
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Rootsweb Rebuild Status ( June 29-2002)
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: As you all know, Rootsweb is under a major reconstruction and upgrading program. New servers are being installed etc. >From time to time, there are problems accessing various parts of the sites. Here is the latest information from Tim Pierce as of last night. It looks like another week or so to finally get it all done. The lists that he refers to is primarily the mailing lists but also some of the search engines etc. Should be faster, better etc when it's all done. There are more details posted on the Rootsweb home page. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin At 09:51 PM 6/28/02 , Tim Pierce wrote: >I can only speak first-hand for the mail-related systems. The >following machines have been moved to new hardware in the new >facility: > >mail.rootsweb.com >pml.rootsweb.com >lists2.rootsweb.com >lists3.rootsweb.com >lists7.rootsweb.com > >Still to go: > >lists5.rootsweb.com >archiver.rootsweb.com >listsearches.rootsweb.com > >These will get done next week, hopefully to finish by the middle of >the week. > >Randy has been working feverishly on the other machines. I know that >www.rootsweb.com has been moved, am pretty sure that homepages is done >and that freepages is in process, but I don't know their status.

    06/29/2002 03:38:25
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Interactive Family and Clan map of Scotland
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: A useful tool has been posted on the Burkes web site. It allows you to relate the family or Clan name to specific areas of Scotland. The Area map then has a connection to some brief history and bio's of the family that are contained in the Burkes registry. This then provides an incentive to join the various mailing lists here at Rootsweb for those specific areas as well. The Scottish districts are listed under the International section on the mailing list index. There is also Clan mailing lists and the Clan Message boards here at Rootsweb for more information as well. Thanks go to Alastair McIntyre for his posting of this useful hint in his weekly newsletter and to Burkes for their work to assemble this integrated map, names and genealogy information. Best Regards John A Hansen >From the Electric Newsletter: NEW CLAN MAP Ever wondered where the main Scottish Clans held their lands? Burke's Peerage & Gentry have a new interactive Clan Map of Scotland, showing principal areas occupied by the Highland Clans and Lowland families at the time of James VI. Then click on the map to search for family records within the Burke's database. http://www.burkes-scotland.com/sites/scotland/sitepages/cmindex.asp For the Electric Scotland Newsletter: To subscribe or unsubscribe simply go to http://www.electricscotland.com/maillist.htm for complete instructions.

    06/28/2002 02:29:59
    1. [Clan KINCAID] RE: MacLeans:His: Culloden 2002 Pictures
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear David: I'll ignore most of the message but there are a couple of interesting items that need clarification. <snip> > clearly a king's > power is derived from the people, since (religious philosophy aside) the > people - through force - can remove a bad leader .......like James. This is definitely NOT the case. It was only after the "Declaration of Arbroath" in April 6 1320 following the Magna Carta that the idea of the King or any ruler had power as given by the people. The case in point was recognition of Robert the Bruce. The pope was refusing to acknowledge him as King of Scotland . The Clan Chiefs and Lords demanded that he be recognized and the Pope finally agreed in order to obtain their support. Note that in all dictatorships in the world the Presiding Ruler has sufficient military power; so even today this is not the case. Below is the main principle from the Declaration of Arbroath. Adoption of this concept has set the USA, Canada, Great Britain, and others that subscribe to this idea apart in the world. There has been numerous revolutions and two world wars fought over this principle. Millions and Millions of people have given up their lives for these freedoms. In the end, even Britain, ( 400 plus years later) developed the Parliament and thence Scotland got their say in the rule of Britain. The Reference below to "he" is Robert the Bruce. "Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." Full copy at: http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/arbroath_english.html The next incident in history when this became a issue was in the creation of our ( US) Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the US. Remember this American Revolution War happened in 1776. Culloden had happened in 1744 and the Highland Clearances in 1746 ( barely 30 years before). So all these issues about: A: separation of church and state B: Ruling by the power of the people C: Bill of Rights were all fresh in the minds of the Scottish people here in the colonies. Over 50 per cent of the signers of the Declaration and thence the colonial government had Scottish backgrounds or were descendants. The impact of the Scottish people on our list of freedoms in the USA can never be forgotten nor understated! Tartan Day barely begins to provide that recognition. Let's not take this Freedom for granted nor assume that it is "a given". Best Regards John A Hansen

    06/09/2002 03:30:38
    1. [Clan KINCAID] test
    2. Leslie Collier
    3. Am I getting mail?

    06/06/2002 11:52:21
    1. [Clan KINCAID] KINCAID / SMITH / MILLER - Campbell Co., TN
    2. Leslie Collier
    3. Hello newfound Kincaid kin, Just last week I proved a connection for which I've searched for 17 years, putting Kincaid and Miller officially on my pedigree. See ... good things can happen to genealogists who keep the homefires burning. I'm taking this flush of ancestral enthusiasm as the moment to introduce myself to those of you with whom I've never corresponded. Before I lose myself in research again, a public "thank you" is due to the two genealogists who helped me turn this corner. Sue Liedtke who is active on this list nicely shared an 1822 Letter of Administration she found in Cole Co., MO, in which the heirs of a certain James Miller were listed. This man's wife was Elizabeth Kincaid (d/o Andrew Kincaid of Greenbrier Co, VA) which is why I'm here right now. Thanks, Sue, for no matter how pointed my suspicions, such a document is priceless. You've been very generous with your records and your time, and you're an excellent researcher with all the skills it takes to untangle nasty messes. My other chunk of gratitude goes to Olivia Kincaid Brisbin, with whom I first corresponded seventeen years ago. This is surely quasi-interesting to Kincaid researchers given her repute, so I'l tell it here. As a brand-new, eager genealogist back in the 1980's, I spent a lot of time at the library. Oops, I forgot to tell you that my maiden name is Smith and that I ran into my first brick wall three weeks into my genealogy career. I had soared backwards to 1850 to find an ancestor named Ali Smith on the census of Cole Co., MO, but he seemed to have no family. Since my first three weeks had been so fruitful, I was absolutely positive that genealogy was easy and that I'd solve this problem shortly. Needless to say, years passed with little progress. Sure, I scooped up his wife and in-laws and managed to get him back to Campbell Co., TN ... did a lot on other lines ... but not one glimmer of light shone on his own parentage. In desperation, I began to read old, unindexed Tennessee genealogical periodicals. I stumbled across a query published in 1957 by a man named Jesse Kincaid of Dodd City, TX. He advertised for information on the families of John Kincaid and Ali Smith of Campbell Co., TN. On a whim, I decided to answer this query even though it was 25 years out of date. The Kincaid who had placed the 1957 query was long deceased, but my letter strolled through his descendants until it reached a daughter who had custody of her father's genealogy files. She invited me to visit and wallow in the boxes of paper. I did, and there copied dozens of letters written by Olivia Brisbin in the 1950's and 1960's. The very friendly Kincaid descendant whom I visited had kept up a correspondence with Olivia and urged me to contact her for advice and information. There followed a several year period during which Olivia selflessly taught me a great deal about not only Campbell County and my families of interst, but also how to get about the business of becoming a decent genealogist. Keep in mind that I primarily consulted her about my Smith problem, and she had not a drop of Smith blood. So now it's many years later, and I end up being surprised with Kincaid lineage of my own. Isn't it odd the way it works ... my greatest leaps on my maiden name came from Kincaid researchers who have never met each other but both of whom extended themselves to help me. It's almost as if some sly elf knew all along that I was destined for the Kincaids. I have lots in every generation, but here's a brief sketch of my direct line as it relates to Kincaids. Kindly recall that the Miller and Kincaid lines are new to me, so I'm still searching for the details. I have the proof documents in place, but haven't yet had time to gather every single source: 1. Ali SMITH, b. 1814 in Campbell Co., TN, and d. 1854 in Cole Co., MO and Sarah COLLETT, b. 1822 in Campbell Co., TN, and d. 1893 in Thayer Co., NE (whose sister Rachel md. Wyatt KINCIAD, son of Thomas KINCAID of Campbell Co., TN) to HIS parents 2. William SMITH, b. 1788 in Russell Co., VA, and d. aft 1862 in Scott Co., TN (son to the Ali Smith/Jane Denny whose children marry into the families of both John and Thomas KINCAID in Campbell County) and first wife Jane MILLER, b. ca 1794 in Monroe, VA, and d. ca 1820 in Campbell Co., TN to HER parents 3. James MILLER, b. bef 1760 and d. 1822 in Cole Co., MO and Elizabeth KINCAID, b. 1760's and d. after 1827 in Cole Co., MO to HER parents 4. Andrew KINCAID who left a will in Greenbier Co., VA, probated in 1811 and wife Mary And boy-oh-boy do Andrew KINCAID and wife Mary need work, and now I'm revising my opinions about John and Thomas KINCAID of Campbell Co., TN. FYI, I specialize in Campbell County, TN, research ... specifically the Fincastle neighborhood (I even know who named it and why) from just before county formation in 1806 up to 1850. If a family passed though here, I study them. That's what comes of being a Smith and hunting for a mama pre-marriage records. Leslie Smith Collier Dallas, TX

    05/21/2002 01:32:10
    1. [Clan KINCAID] here is the info I have on John W Kincaid born about 1812 married to Mary A (maiden name unknown ) Kincaid lived in Deerfield Virginia
    2. Kincaid, Travis
    3. Hello everyone , this is what I have right now going from John W Kincaid to me. I have hit a concrete wall, any info to crack this concrete wall would be very appreciated : John W Kincaid was born around 1812 he lived in Deerfield Virginia where he was a farmer and married Mary A (maiden unknown) Kincaid born about 1824. There children were born in Deerfield Virginia, they are ; Margret born 1843 , William R. born 1847 , James born 1851 , Andrew born 1852 , and John Luther born 1856 . John Luther Kincaid (died about 1943) moved to Van Buren township in Lee county Iowa and became a farmer. He married Cordelia Leazer born about 1863, Iowa daughter of J. Leazer and Jane Kelly. There children was all born in Donnellson Iowa and they are ; LuLu M. born 1892 , Osborn L. born 1894 , Nora E. born 1896 , and Denver L. born 1899 . Osborn L. Kincaid (died Sept. 1985) lived in Donnellson , Iowa married Bertha Hazel Pickard who was born in about 1901. She was daughter of Frank John Pickard and Laura Nesbit, their children were born in Keokuk , Iowa ; they are William L. born 1920 , Bernitta born 1922 , and Vera born 1923 . William Luther Kincaid moved to Muscatine , Iowa and worked at Kent Feeds. He married Mary Leona Weikert born 1921 . She is the daughter of Anthony Leo Weikert and Eleanor Mae Bruce. They had 2 children who are ; Carol Madeleine, born July 1943 and Anthony Osborn, born November 1946. Both born and raised in Muscatine , Iowa Anthony Osborn Kincaid lives in Muscatine , Iowa retired from G.P.C., a division of Kent Feeds. He married his childhood love Linda Lee Thomas born 03-04-1949 in Muscatine , Iowa. She is the daughter of Joseph Thomas and Arlene Tutt. They had 5 children all boys they are ; Andrew Patrick born February 1969 , Travis Lee born November 1971 , Shane William born May 1974 , Jacob Anthony born November 1976 , and Benjamin James born December 1978 and died December 1978 . Travis Lee Kincaid married Michele Elizabeth Nichols, born June 27 1972 in Camp LeJeune, North Carolina (U.S.M.C base) on June 10, 1996 then moved to Cedar Rapids , Iowa. We are still working on our first child This is what I have at this very moment, I can not find anymore info for John W Kincaid or Deerfield , Virginia. If anyone has any info that can help me find a path in the right direction it would be very , very appreciated . I hope I am not the only one connected to this line of the Kincaid tree looking for more info to complete the line . Again any and all info would be welcomed and appreciated THANK YOU TRAVIS KINCAID

    05/18/2002 01:26:21
    1. [Clan KINCAID] List Admin Hints & Guidelines
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Welcome: It's been awhile since I've posted some hints and guidelines for this mailing list. This memo has been a joint effort with Sue Swiggum from the The Ships List. She has a creative writing ability and creates these really wonderful posts every 3 months or so. . I've modified the memo to cover our particular situation as compared to her list and added some other tidbits that I've accumulated over the years. I'd like to see her publish a book on the subject of Internet Mailing Lists quirks. Hope it's useful for you. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin ++ Gateways I've set up gateways from most of the message boards. This increases the amount of messages to this list. The usage pattern on the message boards is much more informal than here. However, I've seen many cases where people are tracking the same brick walls for obvious reasons. An elusive ancestor is the same on the mailing list and the message boards. But while the post from the message boards comes this way. the posts from the mailing list do NOT go back to the board. You need to click on the URL in the message and reply "over there" Then your reply will also come back here to this mailing list. ++Subject Lines -- Subject Lines -- Subject Lines -- Subject Lines -- plus ... a few tidbits and gentle reminders which you might find useful. Regarding "Subject Lines" .... you'll see my other comments for Digest members below. Do include your surnames ( in Caps) in the subject line > location > dates and then include them again in the body of your message where you give the full details of your ancestor. If your details are sketchy at this point, then just put what ever you do have; sometimes the most minor of details can often provide the breakthrough. Subject lines such as "HELP" may not get you any HELP ... "NEW SUBSCRIBER" may only get you a HELLO if you are lucky. The reason is not because you are being intentionally ignored, but rather because our wonderful members with the resources to help you are VERY busy, so they scan the subject lines looking for a subject about which they have knowledge. Sometimes they have no time to open every message and peek to see if they can help, so do yourselves a big favor by drawing the right kind of attention to yourself and giving an assist to those with the resources and knowledge who are able to help. If you are making a general or other emigration/immigration inquiry, take a moment to read your own subject line first, to check if it is meaningful for your query. Put as much info in the subject line as can be reasonably done. Try not to _begin_ your subject line with numbers, as the robot handling the list mail sometimes rejects those. ps. A list member (who is one of our big helpers) has also suggested that when any of us respond to a message with an inappropriate subject line, that we alter it slightly. I do this sometimes, but on a busy day I sometimes overlook this step. ++ AOL and SPAM filters There has been a new trend for subscribers to set up filters to screen out unwanted emails. Unfortunately, it sometimes also restricts the receipt of messages from Rootsweb. When the message is rejected, it automatically triggers a auto bounce counter here at Rootsweb. "After 4 there is no more" to plagiarize an old advertising theme :-). ++ Answering: If you able to answer another member's query, then please share that answer with other list members ... UNLESS, the reply is very specifically directed to the poster [such as, "we have a Bill Smith living next door ... could he be yours?"] If your answer will be of interest to other list members, such as immigration, marriages, dates, ports, microfilm numbers, "how-to" research immigration/emigration related sources etc., etc., then please share that with the list. ++ Quoting: When responding to a query on the list, by all means quote the original message so that we ALL know what you are talking about. BUT, edit <snip> the original message to just illustrate the part which you have answered. On the recent roll call for instance, the actual post for the roll call should have been snipped. ++ <snip>'s: As mentioned above, "snipping" [editing] is recommended, to save from excessive "quoting" and wasting band-width by filling up the Digests. List Mode members, also <snip> the 'tag-lines' from the original post, and refrain from sending any "piggy-backed" messages with your post unless they follow the thread. ++ Forwarding Mail: When forwarding mail [Fwd:] because you may have mis-addressed the original or you are sending a repeat of an earlier query, take a moment to edit all the unnecessary 'headers' and taglines etc. They take up too much room, and serve no purpose. Some may just "delete" rather than paging down to find your message. Consider copy/paste into a new message, rather than "Fwd:". ++ CAPS: Do not write your message in "CAPS" [Capital letters]. Messages/Queries written ALL in CAPS tend to be difficult to read, for most of us. In the "world" of cyber-space, CAPS are considered the equivalent of SHOUTING! Save CAPS for ship names, surnames, or anything else you wish to stress. (CAPS are okay from vision-impaired members) ++ WebPages: Do not "quote" an entire web page, rather, POST the URL and give a brief description of the site, and an explanation of why you found it useful. ++ Citing: When quoting any information found elsewhere, eg. ... a web page, a book, a document .. always cite (give credit) to the website, and/or the author, the publication etc. Apart from being common courtesy, it can also cover many possible copyright infringements when you quote an excerptfrom an original document/publication. Content from a public document is not copyright, but the compilation of those facts can be. ++ Subject Lines: These are SO important as this is your "headline" to attract the attention of those who may be able to help you. Digest members ..... remember to change the subject line to reflect the topic. If you send a subject which says ... Re: Surname-D Digest V02 #xx ... then this is meaningless, and may go unread. Also, include your year of interest. ++ Thank you: Please NEVER forget to send a thank you to someone who has answered your query. It is so nice to send some appreciation to those who have helped you. These should be in the form of a PRIVATE message, but I won't mind if you have been totally overwhelmed by the number of responses, and you wish to thank everyone by means of the list. :-) It only takes a moment, and shows that you don't take any contribution for granted. ++ Reply Most often any info request etc should be posted to the list Surname-L@rootsweb.com. Do not reply to me as list admin because I then just forward to the list..later..maybe :-) Please reply to the List even if you are on the Digest as in Surname-D@rootsweb.com. ++ Not A Subscriber. You will sometimes get a "Not A Subscriber" notice. These are posts that get bounced to me because the poster is sending from a different address than they are subscribed with. I usually forward these to the list. The address that you are registered with can be just slightly different, sometimes the ISP inserts a extra server or other identification in the email id. To check your own address, send your self a email and look at the headers to look at your "from" address. Make sure your email program inserts this address in your post and then subscribe to the mailing lists of your choice. Some ISP ( MSN especially) adds "hotmail"or "email" on some kind of random basis to your "from" address. The Rootsweb computer sees that as a totally different address and will bounce that to me. I usually forward when I can , but there is a delay. ++ Virus alerts Please just send these directly to me and keep the discussion off the mailing list. There is a really good Virus mailing list here at Rootsweb Join by sending an email to VIRUS-DISCUSSION-L-request@rootsweb.com with subscribe in the body of message. I can also refer you to any number of good Virus sites and sites for Free Anti-Virus software. For the first time, if you do get infected, then I delete your account and send a notice message to you. The second time results in a reject notice on your account. I will send out Virus Alerts from time to time after verifying with several Virus web sites. I do subscribe to several newsletters and "honey pots" to get early warnings about upcoming Viruses. There is a wide difference of opinion about the question of even the List Admin sending out Virus Alerts. I will be happy to debate the point off line but I can declare now that in my opinion, the possibility of saving even one person the pain of losing their work is worth one delete message. The virus industry has changed dramatically over the last two years and that changed my opinion. ++ Virus Updates to the software There is a separate and important fact that everyone needs to know. The AntiVirus software program is out of date when you purchase and install it. The Software Programs work on checking a pattern of words against a known database of viruses. There are new viruses introduced each day of each week. So your AV program needs to be updated very often ( at least once a week) I update mine every night. Most programs have an auto update feature. I've set mine to update at 2 AM. Now it also goes that don't lean back and sigh if you have you've got AV software. The AV software is your last line of defense ; not your first. Don't open attachments etc etc. Some of the new viruses are really tricky in their descriptions ( warning from Microsoft come to mind) and double extensions etc etc. There are viruses now being seen at some of the test sites, that are sent in the pure text messages. Currently you can not get a virus from the message from Rootsweb. It's your friends, family and people that you correspond with that do you in :-). ++ Signature Blocks Signature Blocks and Lines are your address at the bottom of your message. No signatures lines over 4 lines. The VLF will automatically put anybody on moderate that can't seem to get their sig line down. Large sig lines clog up the search engine and the archives. "VLF is a patented system from Piglet (the Listowners admin) and she rents it out for a royalty fee per use. VLF = Very Large Flyswatter to keep posters in line :-) ++ Bounces We all get bounced from time to time. It's not a signal that we don't love you. The Rootsweb email server keeps track of how many times a message to you has bounced back. Most times it'd due to you exceeding a limit at your email service. Most of the free Email servers ( Yahoo, Hotmail Netzero ) have very low limits , usually 2 meg of mail. In today's world of big messages that happens very fast. A weekend away can fill your email box pretty fast. So the post from these lists then gets returned. "After 4 there is no more" and the "bouncer" steps in and removes your address. Don't get upset, merely resubscribe and go on. You might want to check the archives to see if there is any missed messages to you. ++ Archives. Every message ever posted is archived here at Rootsweb. So if you're joining because you now found that this surname or topic is hot on your priority list, then check the archives to see what has already been posted. You can go to the home page at www.rootsweb.com and pick up the archives from there. The archives are located at www.archiver.rootsweb.com if you want to bypass home and go direct :-) ++ Contact the List Admin You can always contact any list admin by sending an email to XXXX-admin@rootsweb.com. XXXX = name of the list. My email is below for direct reference. ++ Unsubscribe Please send an email directly to the request server at XXXXX-L-request@rootsweb.com and merely put unsubscribe in the body of the message. To get on this list you had sent a message with subscribe. So to get off, you merely just tell the computer unsubscribe. Remember this is HAL. Remember this is HAL, Remember this is HAL etc etc. ++ Address Changes We all have address changes in our life. It's a fact of life in this Internet world we live in. So to update your address: A: Send an email to unsubscribe. Please note that you need to use the original email address to do so. On almost every email software program, you can install or keep the original email address. It's there in the from box of the message. You might have to call up the "options" tab to see it. B: Then send an email to subscribe the new address. Please use the new address as it looks in your email server when you created your new account. ++ Posting to the Mail List. All Inquires and mail should only go directly to the mail list. The address to post to is XXXX-L@rootsweb.com. Messages sent to to the XXXXX-L-request@rootsweb.com will bounce back to me. Since most of those bounces are misc. they wind up getting deleted. So your pleas to get help to find that one elusive ancestor is gone into the ether someplace. Any other address will bounce to me and then be deleted. There are many ways that various spam artists are trying to post to the list and wind up bouncing to the admin. They are all deleted. So your important message regarding an ancestor line or a response to someone will probably be deleted. ++ USE your one and only Official Subscribed Address Most of the problems regarding posting, unsubscribing etc are due to a difference in the "from" address in your email program and the "reply to". You were subscribed to the "reply to" address automatically. The computer ( HAL) looks only at your "from" address. That "from" address must match the subscribed address. So if you changed the "from" address for some reason then no message. The computer will only accept mail from registered subscribed users. When the address doesn't match exactly, it bounces. I sometimes get a copy but not always. Take a look at the welcome message that you received for this list. Please keep that message. It tells you exactly what address was subscribed and will be accepted for posting. Make sure all email you send is "from" that address. The Rootsweb computer "Hal" just never sleeps and never lets a message get by with an "almost correct" address. Remember this is HAL, Remember this is HAL ++ Be Nice No Flames, No Selling, No Religion, No Politics These are all interesting and emotional items. Trying to admin a list under those circumstance just takes too much time from my own Genealogy and my Grandchildren :-) Hope all this helps. Best Regards John A Hansen jahansen@qwest.net List Admin BTW: From time to time I get some questions about my own background etc. There is a summary at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/spotlight/hansen_j.html

    05/18/2002 03:51:30
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Hints on Message Boards > better Sig Lines > Brick walls
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Some of you have posted really nice and comprehensive descriptions of your brick walls on the roll call. There is also an very interesting method to utilize the combined benefits of the message boards and the mailing lists that could be of use to everyone. We can use of the archiving capability of the message board and the address of the URL of that message to keep your information available and easy to reach for viewers. The process is: A: Most genealogy software programs will allow you to segment a specific portion of the family tree. So create the descendants tree or ancestry tree in your program or from your ancestry files and then copy that to the clipboard. B: Open the message board at www.rootsweb.com for the specific surname and or Clan. C: Create a new post and copy the material of the ancestor from above into that post. D: Go to Tools or other options on your email program and open the sig lines feature option E: Create the Sig Line block in your email program Insert the name of the brick wall or person at the top of the chart along with the highlights of location and time etc. This is effectively your subject lines so make it eye catching and complete. Then copy the message URL into the next line just below the subject line. E: You now have a 2 line sig line! It lets a viewer go to the same reference point by merely clicking on the URL. If they reply, then you will get that reply automatically. It also gathers all the information on that ancestor in one location so you have a stream of replies for all to see and comment on. That URL becomes a universal locator for you to add to all your outgoing messages and other messages. Especially if you have a lot of documentation etc it will help to confirm to other viewers that this is the right tree. F: Then when you post to the SURNAME-L@rootsweb.com "insert" and select the appropriate sig line in that message instead of merely the long line of surnames that nobody really looks at. It will then be a sig line of interest to people in that mailing list with a really easy way to check to see if it fits their family lines. This allows you to post your SPECIFIC brick wall on every post to that specific surname list! That way the more help you give others by posting , the more visibility your brick wall receives and thence the more chances you have of getting help in return :-) G: It will also benefit the new search engines that are coming on stream here at Rootsweb. That search engine will then find your messages that relate to that specific ancestor you are researching. You are now using the message boards as an online archiving and retrieval system. Most people will not go to the threaded archives etc but a simple click on the url below an interesting subject line will likely get their attention. It has the added benefits of: A: always visible forever. B: easier to find than the archives list. C: keeps the threads across many months and years D: there will be an auto reply to you whenever a reply is given. E: New search engine will find related messages. Let's use the combined benefits of the message boards and the mailing lists to our mutual advantage. Please feel free to pass this email to anyone of interest. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin jahansen@qwest.net BTW: Example below for one of my brick walls :-) Isaac Brownell > Mass > 1772 ( My ALDEN Line) http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.brownell&m=324

    04/29/2002 12:36:26
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Email & other duplicates ( Apology for duplicates) & Roll Call
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Sorry about the two emails on the Virus Alert . Our "friends" at Qwest decided to do two of each email that I sent on Wed. The only good thing was that I didn't get charged for the duplicates :-). Unfortunately you got twice the posts as well. In addition it appears that Rootsweb is doing something strange this week with email from the gateways as well < sigh> Now if we can only get more posts on genealogy .....? Perhaps it's time for a Roll Call again. Please post one inquiry ( brick wall) per post. The subject line should cover: SURNAME ( in caps) > Locations > dates This subject line is crucial to getting attention from the rest of the group. The message body should include any information at all that appears relevant to the inquiry. Sometimes the smallest clue can mean the difference between a contact and a delete button :-) Best Regards John A Hansen jahansen@qwest.net List Admin . -----Original Message----- From: Shirley [mailto:maples@pacifier.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:46 PM To: FTM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM] I think Rootsweb has the hiccups right now. Some mail with the gateways (between message boards and the lists) is coming through that's a few weeks old. shirley Peg Rampling wrote: > How come Johnnie got his thank you before Jim???? I sent Jim's > first....seems I might be missing a bit of mail from other lists as > well..........mmmmm???

    04/26/2002 04:42:12
    1. [Clan KINCAID] VIRUS ALERT = W32.Klez. H = Level 3 ( One time Advisory by List Admin)
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: A new level 3 Virus Alert was issued this week by most of the Major Anti Virus Test Sites and Software Programs The names of the virus will vary but it is generally a form of W32.Klez.X@mm. There is a couple of clever things that this virus does that makes it deceptive. While you will not get the virus from Rootsweb you may well get a email from a subscriber or a friend that you have corresponded with and it will look like a legit response to the email or post that you made. The Virus has two files attached. One will have a random file from the sending computer and the other will be the virus with a double extension with ******.txt.exe etc. So it appears to be a real and innocent attachment. As a result, the email message would have 2 attachments, the first being the worm and the second being the randomly-selected file with a "normal" extensions such as *.doc or *.txt etc Payload and Damage: This worm infects executables by creating a hidden copy of the original host file and then overwriting the original file with itself. The hidden copy is encrypted, but contains no viral data. The name of the hidden file is the same as the original file, but with a random extension. Large scale e-mailing: This worm searches the Windows address book, the ICQ database, and local files for email addresses. The worm sends an email message to these addresses with itself as an attachment. Releases confidential info: Worm randomly chooses a file from the machine to send along with the worm to recipients. So files with the extensions: ".mp8" or ".txt" or ".htm" or ".html" or ".wab" or ".asp" or ".doc" or ".rtf" or ".xls" or ".jpg" or ".cpp" or ".pas" or ".mpg" or ".mpeg" or ".bak" or ".mp3" or ".pdf" would be attached to e-mail messages along with the viral attachment All the normal reference sites are carrying details on how to remove if you do get infected and more technical details on how to identify the incoming virus. Please do not create any posts on the mailing lists. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin

    04/25/2002 04:27:45
    1. [Clan KINCAID] VIRUS ALERT = W32.Klez. H = Level 3 ( One time Advisory by List Admin)
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: A new level 3 Virus Alert was issued. The names will vary but it is generally a form of W32.Klez.X@mm While you will not get the virus from Rootsweb you may well get a email from a subscriber or a friend that you have corresponded with and it will look like a legit response to the email or post that you made. The Virus has two files attached. One will have a random file from the sending computer and the other will be the virus with a double extension with ******.txt.exe etc. So it appears to be a real and innocent attachment. As a result, the email message would have 2 attachments, the first being the worm and the second being the randomly-selected file. Payload and Damage: This worm infects executables by creating a hidden copy of the original host file and then overwriting the original file with itself. The hidden copy is encrypted, but contains no viral data. The name of the hidden file is the same as the original file, but with a random extension. Large scale e-mailing: This worm searches the Windows address book, the ICQ database, and local files for email addresses. The worm sends an email message to these addresses with itself as an attachment. Releases confidential info: Worm randomly chooses a file from the machine to send along with the worm to recipients. So files with the extensions: ".mp8" or ".txt" or ".htm" or ".html" or ".wab" or ".asp" or ".doc" or ".rtf" or ".xls" or ".jpg" or ".cpp" or ".pas" or ".mpg" or ".mpeg" or ".bak" or ".mp3" or ".pdf" would be attached to e-mail messages along with the viral attachment All the normal reference sites are carrying details on how to remove if you do get infected and more technical details on how to identify the incoming virus. Please do not create any posts on the mailing lists. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin

    04/23/2002 09:36:23
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Declaration of Arbroath
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: A snippet from Scottie: Declaration of Arbroath The National Archives of Scotland holds a copy of the Declaration of Arbroath which was made in 1320 (the original was sent to the Pope in Rome, asking him, in rousing terms, to acknowledge Scotland as an independent nation and to reject the claims of the English king). The National Archives have produced a limited edition print of the document, showing it as it was before parts of the text were damaged in the 1800s. One of the prints is being presented to the Scottish Parliament and another was presented to Arbroath Abbey this week - on 6 April. It is thought that the Declaration was drafted by Bernard, the Abbot of Arbroath and the Chancellor of Scotland. Rampant Scotland - the largest directory of Scottish links! http://www.RampantScotland.com Comments by JAH The Declaration was drafted and signed in 1320. The battle of Bannockburn was 1314. King Robert the Bruce was still under attack by the English over the following years. The Pope was still in agreement with the English Royalty about the ownership of Scotland and had refused to acknowledge the rights of King Robert the Bruce to be the King of Scotland. The Declaration of Arbroath was considered a significant event due to the Clans Chiefs stating the King Robert the Bruce was King only because he agreed with the people and was not ruler by a divine heritage. The major precedence was thence that a leader of any people had to lead by following the choice of the people and that freedom was the more valuable than life itself. It thus served as a model for our both the Declaration of Independence and the following constitution of the new United States of America. See the background at : http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/arbroath.html Here is the most famous clause that has carried through these many years: The "He" below is referring to King Robert the Bruce. His right to rule is based entirely on his being willing to maintain the freedom of Scotland. "Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." The Magna Carta in 1215 had stated certain rights that people had BUT that these rights were granted by the King himself. The Declaration of Arbroath stated that these rights and the leadership of their country belonged to the people and not the King. However, the Magna Carta then served as the foundation of the Bill of Rights. It's been interesting to me to follow and assemble the impact of the Scottish and English Ancestors on the formation of our own framework of the ideals that evolved in our culture. Best Regards John A Hansen jahansen@qwest.net List Admin

    04/13/2002 04:17:39
    1. [Clan KINCAID] Important Week in Scottish History
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Interesting that so many significant Scottish Historical Events occurred this week of March John A Hansen This Week in History March 17 1328 - Treaty of Edinburgh between King Robert I and Edward III which recognised Scotland's independence, ending 30 years of war. March 17 1473 - King James IV born. March 17 1984 - Scotland won Rugby "Grand Slam" at Murrayfield - the first time in 59 years. March 18 1857 - William Henry Playfair, architect, died. March 19 1286 - King Alexander III died at Kinghorn in Fife. March 19 1721 - Novelist Tobias Smollett born. March 19 1813 - David Livingstone, missionary and explorer, born Blantyre. March 20 1141 - King Malcolm IV born. March 20 1729 - John Law, financier and founder of New Orleans, died aged about 57. March 21 1993 - Pope John Paul sanctifies John Duns Scotus, philosopher, theologian (but the first "dunce"). March 22 1727 - Neil Gow, first of a famous family of Fiddle players and composers, born Strathearn, Ross & Cromarty. March 23 1848 - First Scottish settlers arrive Dunedin, New Zealand. March 24 1603 - Union of the Crowns of England and Scotland on the death of Queen Elizabeth I and the succession of King James VI of Scotland. Scottie ******************************************************************* Rampant Scotland - the largest directory of Scottish links! http://www.RampantScotland.com

    03/16/2002 11:06:49
    1. [Clan KINCAID] FW: Tartan Day ( Events request from Scottie)
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Here is a request from Scottie for some help. He is one of the regular contributors of news and tidbits for us. You can either respond directly to him or send to me and I'll forward to him. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin -----Original Message----- From: Scottie [mailto:scottie@rampantscotland.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:10 PM To: John A Hansen Subject: Tartan Day Hi John A couple of years back I started to create a Web page which listed any Tartan Day events which I came across. I also searched the Web and requested contributions from readers of my Scottish Newsletter. The collection has built up, though a number of the entries relate to last year (despite e-mailing all those who had contacted me about Tartan Day over the years). With your contacts in Scottish-related mailing lists I wondered whether you could put out a request for anyone who knows about Tartan Day events which are not listed to get in touch with me? I have nearly 60 locations listed at the moment but I am sure that there must be a lot more - especially in the US! Yours aye Scottie ******************************************************************* Rampant Scotland - the largest directory of Scottish links! http://www.RampantScotland.com Now also with illustrated feature articles! http://www.RampantScotland.com/features.htm ********************************************************************

    03/12/2002 11:51:15