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    1. [CLAN-GAYRE] [ADMIN NOTE] The Rootsweb lists are ending communication March 2, 2020 Were we go from here
    2. Lauren Boyd McLachlan
    3. Dear List Members: By now, you have heard that Ancestry is closing the Rootsweb mailing lists to live communication.As of March 2, 2020 you will not be able to send or receive messages via Rootsweb lists. Whatever is currently housed under the Domain Name Rootsweb, will remain until Ancestry makes any decisions it feels necessary in future. The List Archives for all the LIsts at Rootsweb are to remain viewable. and searchable. I do not find their search engine to be robust. You may want to browse each year and month if you do not find searching the list to turn up what you are seeking. Also, trying a google search can be effective. You have about a day to post your last ditch messages. BE SURE to put your contact information in the body of the post so that people can contact you in future. Be aware that this informaiton will be permanently viewable to anyone searching the archives in future, so be prudent and do not compromise your own security. When the lists close, tha Admin tools also go away. I won't be able to assist with Rootsweb list items. The Rootsweb/Ancestry Message Boards will remain active. You CAN post there. You do NOT need an Ancestry paid account. You do, however, need to have a login ID and password. If you do not have an Ancestry account, you will not be able to have direct contact with authors of posts in private. Consider putting your contact info in the body of your messages. Where do we go from here? Firtsty, Thank you for adding to the body of the your families history since 1996 on Rootsweb.com I am the Admin for about 100 surname, location, clan and DNA lists. I am downloading all the subscriber addresses. I have not yet created a place to move the lists. However, that is the end aim. Bear with me as I have been a List Admin at Rootsweb since 1996 and have 100 lists to deal with in attempt to preserve a friendly email experience with all who are accustomed to that environment. IF you are on Facebook, there are groups you can join, if you have not already, to discuss and share your Interests. You can easily search and use the "group" classification to find all which may apply. Karen and Brian who began Rootsweb, and also created LInkpendium, were heavily considering creating "Rootsweb the Next Generation." I held off acting to move the lists elsewhere as I was hoping they would go forth with their perceived craziness and I could move all to RWTNG. Alas, life is too complicated to create such a venue at this time. That said, they will be adding links as they are sent to them, to show where the Rootsweb lists have gone. I have not asked Cyndi Ingle of Cyndi's list, butt I suspect she may do the same. Lots of work. There are currently over 31, 000 lists housed at Rootsweb. If the admin is active, they will be considering options. So...Let me assure you that I will not use your email addresses for any purpose but to alert you where I have found to continue this conversation. If your list is associated to an organization, I will be supplying your information to them for followup as they may have established a presence elsewhere of which they can alert you. Happy Trails, Lauren Boyd McLachlan Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996 Ancestry Volunteer since 2000 100 Lists 235 Message Boards

    03/02/2020 01:17:22
  1. 08/22/2006 09:17:58
    1. Re: [CLAN-GAYRE] ADMIN NOTE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE: READ ME NOW, LIST IS GOING TO MIGRATE TO ...
    2. I do not know much about the Clan Gayre or Gair. My late husbands name was Garrison and supposedly a sept of Clan Gayre. There is not much known about the Clan. At one time I had an address for the chieftan, but he never answered my letter. There's some information in the clan books that are out. What I learned was they were originally from Norway and were "rabble rousers" in Scotland and were thrown out. I don't know how true this is. Hope you find what you need. Dona Garrison

    08/22/2006 08:10:45
    1. [CLAN-GAYRE] ADMIN NOTE : re Admin Notes
    2. Lauren Boyd
    3. Dear Listers: "Admin Notes" are administration messages and should not be replied to on list, nor used as a vehicle to send mal to the list. The address to use to post to the list is: clan-gayre@rootsweb.com Should you have a comment or question regarding an Admin Note, please send it, off list, to clan-gayre-admin@rootsweb.com Yours Aye, Lauren Clan-Gayre List Admin clan-gayre-admin@rootsweb.com

    08/22/2006 07:02:47
    1. Re: ADMIN NOTE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE: READ ME NOW, LIST IS GOING TO MIGRATE TO NEW SYSTEM
    2. Le Bateman
    3. Can someone tell me about Clan GAYRE? I was told by one of my relatives that my GAY ancestors, actually came from a family who spelled their names GAYRE, but dropped the RE from their name when they came to America. At the moment I have gone back to my late grandmother's paternal great-grandfather John GAY d.b. 8 May 1812 d.d. 22 Mar 1874. He possibly was the son of a Henry or Josiah, or Nathaniel Franklin GAY. His eldest son was Nathanial Franklin GAY. Is there a connection to the Clan GAYRE with this family? Has a History of this family been written that may mention my family? My grandmother Anna Mabel GAY was the daughter of Hardy Bryant GAY and Johnnie Anna HOBBS. Her father Hardy Bryant GAY was the son of Nathaniel Franklin, and he was the son of John Jacob Asker GAY. Now as I said John's father may have been Henry. John's grandfather had a brother named Henry. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> To: <CLAN-GAYRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:40 AM Subject: ADMIN NOTE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE: READ ME NOW, LIST IS GOING TO MIGRATE TO NEW SYSTEM Dear Listers: I appologize for making this a bit generic, however it is going out to at least 70 clans lists. Please substitute the name of your clan where I have left it as "clan-name". You may or may not have received the message that Rootsweb sent out Friday from List Announce. It apparently is taking quite some time to generate to all the subscribers of all 30,000+ lists at Rootsweb.com Some ISPs may also be blocking mail from the Lists9 Server due to the sheer number of messages being distributed. In order to continue to have mailing lists for us it was necessary to make some changes. That is what the Announcement message was alerting to. Rootsweb is changing, not upgrading their list software on their computers. The old software, Smartlist, is no longer supported and was held together with bailing wire and bubble gum. It became a situation of change it now or no lists. So... we will accept the change to the new software, mailman. There is nothing you need to do... it is on their computers and will not be needed on yours. RootsWeb is preparing to migrate all mailing lists to a new and updated list management system. I participated in the initial tests of the new software. When the list has been migrated, there will be some changes but most have to do with the list administration tools. There is a message list that was created to support the migration.... List-Updates@rootsweb.com It is NOT required that you subscribe to it. And you may not want to.... in about a 24 hour period, there were no less than 317 messages posted to it. It is confusing to most "users". However, it is there so you can have your questions responded to. I participated in the Beta Test and can respond to some of your questions even if you do not subscribe to that list. For list subscribers, the changeover should be smooth. However there is one significant change you should be aware of. The new management system treats both the digest ("-D") and regular delivery ("-L") lists as a single list with two delivery options-digest or regular. This means that the "-L" or "-D" is dropped from the list name within the system so the list becomes Clan-Name (NO "L"). This sounds like a big change, but it actually won't affect the way the list functions that much. Below is a list of the ways this change may affect you: - You can choose to drop the "-L" or "-D" in the list email address when sending messages to the list. That means messages sent to Clan-Name@rootsweb.com will be sent directly to the list. Sending a message to Clan-Name-L@rootsweb.com will also continue to work. - You can use either Clan-Name-L-request@rootsweb.com or Clan-Name-request@rootsweb.com to subscribe to the regular list delivery. To subscribe to the list digest, continue to send your "subscribe" email to Clan-Name-D-request@rootsweb.com. Your current subscriptions will be migrated over so if you are currently subscribed to the digest, you will continue to be subscribed to the digest. - (not many do this but as some do, I am including this...) You will no longer be able to receive both the digest and the regular delivery ("-L") versions of the list at the same email address. If you are currently subscribed to both "-L" and "-D" with the same address, you will only continue to be subscribed to regular delivery when the list is migrated. You will need to subscribe to the list digest with a different address. - You can unsubscribe from the regular delivery or digest by sending your "unsubscribe" message to a single email: Clan-Name-request@rootsweb.com. Other changes you might notice include: - Changes to the layout, volume and issue numbers of the digests. - New "welcome" and "goodbye" and other messages. - New message footers. - The "from" email will be different (no "-L") so some messages may be sent to your "junk" folder. For those of you that filter your mail, if you need to adjust your filters, the following have been suggested. Filter on either of these fields, changing "listname" to the actual name of the list: X-BeenThere: clan-name@rootsweb.com List-Id: clan-name.rootsweb.com X-Loop: clan-name@rootsweb.com Please report anything unusual or confusing that you find during this transition period to me at Clan-Name-admin@rootsweb.com. If you do not find mail in your mailbox over the next couple of weeks... check the archives. As mentioned in the beginning, there may be some issues with ISPs while the migration of ALL 30,000+ lists occurs. It may be necessary for you to resubscribe. I will not be aware of any "issues" until your address bounces off the list. And from what I have observed so far, I will not be able to pinpoint why it may have. Digest subscribers -- I expect that I will hear from some of you as the way you receive your digest may appear differently.... I have a fix for it.... just email me. The Clan lists will be among the first to migrate to the new system. There should be no interruption in the flow of your mail. You may not even notice the change when it occurs. I will be notified in the same manner that Admins are notified of receipt of a newly established list and will need to rebuild our Welcome Message, etc. Eventually, there will be a website you can go to to more proactively manage your mail and even have the option to turn mail off when you go on vacation rather than unsubscribe! The drawback is that you will have to remember to turn it back on! I am pasting in the migration schedule and the link to it. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/migrate_sched.html Bear it mind, that as with all things, it is a PLAN... and subject to change. Keep an eye on the Help Desk page to see if there are any notices that may affect your experience in the next few weeks. Post away! Don't be shy! We need the mail to be generated to ensure all is going as planned. I will post a message after the lists migrate. If you do not receive it, but see it in the archives, first check your spam folders and second, resubscribe if you still do not find it. The subscription lists are expected to migrate without incident, but anything is possible when done on this large a scale. AOL users, you will need to mark any messages found in the spam folders as "this is not spam" in order to retrain AOLs servers. Yours Aye, Lauren Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot Various Clan Lists Admin ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

    08/17/2006 10:30:55
    1. ADMIN NOTE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE: READ ME NOW, LIST IS GOING TO MIGRATE TO NEW SYSTEM
    2. Lauren Boyd
    3. Dear Listers: I appologize for making this a bit generic, however it is going out to at least 70 clans lists. Please substitute the name of your clan where I have left it as "clan-name". You may or may not have received the message that Rootsweb sent out Friday from List Announce. It apparently is taking quite some time to generate to all the subscribers of all 30,000+ lists at Rootsweb.com Some ISPs may also be blocking mail from the Lists9 Server due to the sheer number of messages being distributed. In order to continue to have mailing lists for us it was necessary to make some changes. That is what the Announcement message was alerting to. Rootsweb is changing, not upgrading their list software on their computers. The old software, Smartlist, is no longer supported and was held together with bailing wire and bubble gum. It became a situation of change it now or no lists. So... we will accept the change to the new software, mailman. There is nothing you need to do... it is on their computers and will not be needed on yours. RootsWeb is preparing to migrate all mailing lists to a new and updated list management system. I participated in the initial tests of the new software. When the list has been migrated, there will be some changes but most have to do with the list administration tools. There is a message list that was created to support the migration.... List-Updates@rootsweb.com It is NOT required that you subscribe to it. And you may not want to.... in about a 24 hour period, there were no less than 317 messages posted to it. It is confusing to most "users". However, it is there so you can have your questions responded to. I participated in the Beta Test and can respond to some of your questions even if you do not subscribe to that list. For list subscribers, the changeover should be smooth. However there is one significant change you should be aware of. The new management system treats both the digest ("-D") and regular delivery ("-L") lists as a single list with two delivery options-digest or regular. This means that the "-L" or "-D" is dropped from the list name within the system so the list becomes Clan-Name (NO "L"). This sounds like a big change, but it actually won't affect the way the list functions that much. Below is a list of the ways this change may affect you: - You can choose to drop the "-L" or "-D" in the list email address when sending messages to the list. That means messages sent to Clan-Name@rootsweb.com will be sent directly to the list. Sending a message to Clan-Name-L@rootsweb.com will also continue to work. - You can use either Clan-Name-L-request@rootsweb.com or Clan-Name-request@rootsweb.com to subscribe to the regular list delivery. To subscribe to the list digest, continue to send your "subscribe" email to Clan-Name-D-request@rootsweb.com. Your current subscriptions will be migrated over so if you are currently subscribed to the digest, you will continue to be subscribed to the digest. - (not many do this but as some do, I am including this...) You will no longer be able to receive both the digest and the regular delivery ("-L") versions of the list at the same email address. If you are currently subscribed to both "-L" and "-D" with the same address, you will only continue to be subscribed to regular delivery when the list is migrated. You will need to subscribe to the list digest with a different address. - You can unsubscribe from the regular delivery or digest by sending your "unsubscribe" message to a single email: Clan-Name-request@rootsweb.com. Other changes you might notice include: - Changes to the layout, volume and issue numbers of the digests. - New "welcome" and "goodbye" and other messages. - New message footers. - The "from" email will be different (no "-L") so some messages may be sent to your "junk" folder. For those of you that filter your mail, if you need to adjust your filters, the following have been suggested. Filter on either of these fields, changing "listname" to the actual name of the list: X-BeenThere: clan-name@rootsweb.com List-Id: clan-name.rootsweb.com X-Loop: clan-name@rootsweb.com Please report anything unusual or confusing that you find during this transition period to me at Clan-Name-admin@rootsweb.com. If you do not find mail in your mailbox over the next couple of weeks... check the archives. As mentioned in the beginning, there may be some issues with ISPs while the migration of ALL 30,000+ lists occurs. It may be necessary for you to resubscribe. I will not be aware of any "issues" until your address bounces off the list. And from what I have observed so far, I will not be able to pinpoint why it may have. Digest subscribers -- I expect that I will hear from some of you as the way you receive your digest may appear differently.... I have a fix for it.... just email me. The Clan lists will be among the first to migrate to the new system. There should be no interruption in the flow of your mail. You may not even notice the change when it occurs. I will be notified in the same manner that Admins are notified of receipt of a newly established list and will need to rebuild our Welcome Message, etc. Eventually, there will be a website you can go to to more proactively manage your mail and even have the option to turn mail off when you go on vacation rather than unsubscribe! The drawback is that you will have to remember to turn it back on! I am pasting in the migration schedule and the link to it. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/migrate_sched.html Bear it mind, that as with all things, it is a PLAN... and subject to change. Keep an eye on the Help Desk page to see if there are any notices that may affect your experience in the next few weeks. Post away! Don't be shy! We need the mail to be generated to ensure all is going as planned. I will post a message after the lists migrate. If you do not receive it, but see it in the archives, first check your spam folders and second, resubscribe if you still do not find it. The subscription lists are expected to migrate without incident, but anything is possible when done on this large a scale. AOL users, you will need to mark any messages found in the spam folders as "this is not spam" in order to retrain AOLs servers. Yours Aye, Lauren Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot Various Clan Lists Admin

    08/16/2006 08:40:33
    1. Scottish Information Society request and information
    2. Dear Clan Representatives: The Scottish Information Society (SIS), formed 1987, is comprised of and exists in support of those who volunteer their time at the clan tents, working events at various venues. One member delegate from each Clan, House or Scottish Society is invited to join to represent their officially recognized clan/society organization. We are in the process of revamping our web site http://www.scottishinfo.org It is currently off line, however, it is our hope to have it back up and functional before the end of April. We hope to include many helpful elements for the public to view. Currently one of the major projects in process is a comprehensive games listing for all 50 US states. In future, we hope to be able to add an International games listing. I would appreciate it if you would email me directly at confido@ix.netcom.com with: the most current contact information for your Clan, especially: the name of your Chief the names and contact information for those that convene your tents or are area commissioners the name and contact information for your genealogist(s) the name and contact information for your clan historian(s) the name and contact information for your editor(s) the name of your clan newsletter and frequency of publication the URL/information re your clan's official discussion group... is it this list at Rootsweb? or is it different? the name and contact information for whoever may be in charge of your DNA project the URL for your clan's OFFICIALLY sanctioned website -- sorry no personal or non-sanctioned sites can be linked Additonally, SIS, will have a tent at the upcoming Sacramento Valley (California) Caledonia Club Games, in Woodland, California, at the end of April. If you will send some information regarding your clan, we will be pleased to have it on hand, whether or not your representative is able to attend and host a tent at the event. We would also appreciate your mailing a copy or copies of your newsletter, in order that we may share with the public part of what your clan has to offer to its members. If you manage, sponsor or sanction DNA projects for your clan, please mail information regarding the project(s) and we will make it available at the tent for those interested. Also, for those of you interested, there is a Scot DNA project that all Scots and Scot Clans are welcome to join or share DNA results with, no matter which service you used. John Hansen is the Project Manager. You will find more information about this project at http://www.scottishdna.net and also in the Scot-DNA@rootsweb.com list archives. Details re that list will be found here: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCOT-DNA.html Write me off list and I will provide the postal mailing addresss for receipt of your printed materials. Thank you. And thanks to all of your volunteers which give so generously and unselfishly of their time to share with and educate the public about your Clan's history and that of Scotland. It is they who keep the tradtions alive. Suas Alba! Yours Aye, Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot President Scottish Information Society http://www.scottishinfo.org delegate representative: House of Boyd Society, Inc. [commonly called "Clan Boyd"] title: International President web site: http://www.clanboyd.ORG clan email address: president@clanboyd.ORG ......................................................... NB. I add this bit of information due to the responses I received in my first round of posting: This message is not misdirected, but rather has been sent to all the clan lists at Rootsweb in attempt to most expediently reach those involved with and representing their Scottish clan in some official capacity. You have received it as you are subscribed to at least one of them. Please understand that due to the shear magnitude of the number of recipients, I cannot respond to friendly notes that include genealogical information and queries that may be triggered by my post. Please do post to the list and also consider joining and becoming active in your Scottish clan's organization.

    03/22/2006 01:24:46
    1. Re: [Clan GAYRE] Re: CLAN-GAYRE-D Digest V05 #2
    2. There is no Clan Gayre society that I know of.

    07/18/2005 10:14:34
    1. Re: CLAN-GAYRE-D Digest V05 #2
    2. Dear Clan Gayre, Is there a Clan society and if so what are the contact details. Sean Garson-Slater

    07/14/2005 09:05:48
    1. Re: [Clan GAYRE] John Jacob Asker GAY
    2. I had been told by family members that the GAY surname was actually GAYRE at one time, but the RE was dropped. Thank you Le -------------- Original message from DonaG35498@aol.com: -------------- > Sorry. I don't recognize any of the names you mentioned. Any information > on the Clan Gayre is sketchy. > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

    07/13/2005 04:26:15
    1. Re: [Clan GAYRE] John Jacob Asker GAY
    2. It could be that Gay is Gayre. There's Gair, Garrison and several others. The name was originally from Norway. When they were a clan in Scotland they were such rabble rousers that they sent them away. That's the story I heard anyway. Sorry I couldn't help you.

    07/13/2005 12:29:06
    1. John Jacob Asker GAY
    2. Dear :List I joined this list hoping someone may recognize the surname in the subject line. I was told that at one time my grandmother's surname was spelled GAYRE, but the RE was dropped from the name. My grandmother was the late Mabel HARDWICK. She was born 28 Nov 1906 in Laurens County Georgia. Her name was Anna Mabel GAY. She was the daughter of Hardy Bryant GAY and Johnnie Anna HOBBS. Her grandfather Nathaniel Franklin "Frank" GAY was born in 1843 to John Jacob Asker GAY and Elizabeth CLARK. It is believed the John's father was named Henry. Hardy and Johnny's other children were Sibyl Bertran, Frances Irene , Ila May, Martha Faye, Lillian BIRCH, Hardy Bryant Jr., Frank Harold, Albert Hobbs, Charles Robert, Harry Benjamin Sr., and Clara Jean. These are Mabel's siblings. Jean is the sole survivor. My grandmother passed away the 23rd of January 2004. Mabel's grandfather's siblings were Mary Emily, Amarinthis H. L. R. "Rachel", Nancy Elizabeth, Clem, Jacob J, A., Emanuel, Alfred, John, Eulalia Vandellia. Thank you. Le

    07/12/2005 09:42:40
    1. Re: [Clan GAYRE] John Jacob Asker GAY
    2. Sorry. I don't recognize any of the names you mentioned. Any information on the Clan Gayre is sketchy.

    07/12/2005 06:51:11
    1. Learning the craft of genealogy online
    2. Kylie Veale
    3. Fellow genealogists, Have you ever used the Internet to learn about genealogy methods and resources? Taken a genealogy course online? Read some 'how to' articles? Then I would like to hear from you. I am an Australian Ph.D. student who is currently writing a book chapter for an academic Virtual Learning Environment publication - my chapter is about using the Internet for genealogical education. I would therefore love to hear from you, fellow genealogists, about any Internet-based content you've used for genealogy education. This includes online courses (free or fee), how-to's, articles/columns, newsgroups, BBS, chat, mailing lists, forums, or even personal web pages that publish learning material - anything online that helps you in learning the craft of genealogy. Your comments on the following is of utmost interest: What are your favourite learning outlets on the Internet? How often do you use them? Can or did you find what you needed online? What are your learning successes? What could be better? What do you look for in genealogical learning on the Internet? If you would like to participate, your comments are extremely welcome. Please send your comments to me directly at research@veale.com.au before Saturday 1st May 2004. I thank you in advance for your participation in this academic research. Kylie Veale P.S. Names and email addresses will be protected and are therefore not included in the publication. Copies of the paper will be made available to interested participants on request, after the book has been published. ----------------------------------------------- Kylie J. Veale | Brisbane, Australia GradDipInvEnv, MInetStds(Design) Provisional PhD candidate http://www.veale.com.au/kylie icq: 27938257 msn: kyliej@hotmail.com yahoo: kylie_veale

    04/27/2004 04:36:37
    1. [Clan GAYRE] Scottish Clan History at Gutenberg Press with emphasis on Clan Mackenzie
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Here is a URL to a book at the Gutenberg Press. It covers in detail the History of the Clan Mackenzie but also relates to the activities from other surrounding Clans. Gutenberg Press has other books on Scottish History that have been scanned in and available as well Thanks to Alastair McIntryre of Elecric Scotland for the reference. http://www.electricscotland.com/etexts/mcknz10.txt Best Regards John A Hansen

    08/02/2002 01:55:34
    1. [Clan GAYRE] List Admin Opportunity
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: Now's your chance!! For those who have been waiting for the opportunity to administer this list. I've decided to retire from public life and enjoy my grandchildren and do some traveling with my wife. Here are some guidelines for winning the List Admin title. A: Be Creative in your letter. Humor sells. B: Decision in one week ( next sat July 20 at 5pm PDT) C: Mention if you have any special qualities ( manage the message boards), won genealogy awards etc etc D: I will take a look at the archives to see what posting have been made. So if you've been a flamer then I would forget applying. If you've posted several hundred messages on the surname then you're probably the winner. E: Attempts to bribe ( chocolate, lattes, pies etc) are turned over to Piglet for decision on what the related punishment will be. F: Private Email only. Do not post to the list. Posting to the list will be an automatically disqualifier. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin pro tem jahansen@qwest.net

    07/13/2002 01:44:45
    1. [Clan GAYRE] Rootsweb Rebuild Status ( June 29-2002)
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: As you all know, Rootsweb is under a major reconstruction and upgrading program. New servers are being installed etc. >From time to time, there are problems accessing various parts of the sites. Here is the latest information from Tim Pierce as of last night. It looks like another week or so to finally get it all done. The lists that he refers to is primarily the mailing lists but also some of the search engines etc. Should be faster, better etc when it's all done. There are more details posted on the Rootsweb home page. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin At 09:51 PM 6/28/02 , Tim Pierce wrote: >I can only speak first-hand for the mail-related systems. The >following machines have been moved to new hardware in the new >facility: > >mail.rootsweb.com >pml.rootsweb.com >lists2.rootsweb.com >lists3.rootsweb.com >lists7.rootsweb.com > >Still to go: > >lists5.rootsweb.com >archiver.rootsweb.com >listsearches.rootsweb.com > >These will get done next week, hopefully to finish by the middle of >the week. > >Randy has been working feverishly on the other machines. I know that >www.rootsweb.com has been moved, am pretty sure that homepages is done >and that freepages is in process, but I don't know their status.

    06/29/2002 03:38:25
    1. [Clan GAYRE] Interactive Family and Clan map of Scotland
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear All: A useful tool has been posted on the Burkes web site. It allows you to relate the family or Clan name to specific areas of Scotland. The Area map then has a connection to some brief history and bio's of the family that are contained in the Burkes registry. This then provides an incentive to join the various mailing lists here at Rootsweb for those specific areas as well. The Scottish districts are listed under the International section on the mailing list index. There is also Clan mailing lists and the Clan Message boards here at Rootsweb for more information as well. Thanks go to Alastair McIntyre for his posting of this useful hint in his weekly newsletter and to Burkes for their work to assemble this integrated map, names and genealogy information. Best Regards John A Hansen >From the Electric Newsletter: NEW CLAN MAP Ever wondered where the main Scottish Clans held their lands? Burke's Peerage & Gentry have a new interactive Clan Map of Scotland, showing principal areas occupied by the Highland Clans and Lowland families at the time of James VI. Then click on the map to search for family records within the Burke's database. http://www.burkes-scotland.com/sites/scotland/sitepages/cmindex.asp For the Electric Scotland Newsletter: To subscribe or unsubscribe simply go to http://www.electricscotland.com/maillist.htm for complete instructions.

    06/28/2002 02:29:59
    1. [Clan GAYRE] RE: MacLeans:His: Culloden 2002 Pictures
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Dear David: I'll ignore most of the message but there are a couple of interesting items that need clarification. <snip> > clearly a king's > power is derived from the people, since (religious philosophy aside) the > people - through force - can remove a bad leader .......like James. This is definitely NOT the case. It was only after the "Declaration of Arbroath" in April 6 1320 following the Magna Carta that the idea of the King or any ruler had power as given by the people. The case in point was recognition of Robert the Bruce. The pope was refusing to acknowledge him as King of Scotland . The Clan Chiefs and Lords demanded that he be recognized and the Pope finally agreed in order to obtain their support. Note that in all dictatorships in the world the Presiding Ruler has sufficient military power; so even today this is not the case. Below is the main principle from the Declaration of Arbroath. Adoption of this concept has set the USA, Canada, Great Britain, and others that subscribe to this idea apart in the world. There has been numerous revolutions and two world wars fought over this principle. Millions and Millions of people have given up their lives for these freedoms. In the end, even Britain, ( 400 plus years later) developed the Parliament and thence Scotland got their say in the rule of Britain. The Reference below to "he" is Robert the Bruce. "Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." Full copy at: http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/arbroath_english.html The next incident in history when this became a issue was in the creation of our ( US) Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the US. Remember this American Revolution War happened in 1776. Culloden had happened in 1744 and the Highland Clearances in 1746 ( barely 30 years before). So all these issues about: A: separation of church and state B: Ruling by the power of the people C: Bill of Rights were all fresh in the minds of the Scottish people here in the colonies. Over 50 per cent of the signers of the Declaration and thence the colonial government had Scottish backgrounds or were descendants. The impact of the Scottish people on our list of freedoms in the USA can never be forgotten nor understated! Tartan Day barely begins to provide that recognition. Let's not take this Freedom for granted nor assume that it is "a given". Best Regards John A Hansen

    06/09/2002 03:30:38
    1. [Clan GAYRE] List Admin Hints & Guidelines
    2. John A Hansen
    3. Welcome: It's been awhile since I've posted some hints and guidelines for this mailing list. This memo has been a joint effort with Sue Swiggum from the The Ships List. She has a creative writing ability and creates these really wonderful posts every 3 months or so. . I've modified the memo to cover our particular situation as compared to her list and added some other tidbits that I've accumulated over the years. I'd like to see her publish a book on the subject of Internet Mailing Lists quirks. Hope it's useful for you. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin ++ Gateways I've set up gateways from most of the message boards. This increases the amount of messages to this list. The usage pattern on the message boards is much more informal than here. However, I've seen many cases where people are tracking the same brick walls for obvious reasons. An elusive ancestor is the same on the mailing list and the message boards. But while the post from the message boards comes this way. the posts from the mailing list do NOT go back to the board. You need to click on the URL in the message and reply "over there" Then your reply will also come back here to this mailing list. ++Subject Lines -- Subject Lines -- Subject Lines -- Subject Lines -- plus ... a few tidbits and gentle reminders which you might find useful. Regarding "Subject Lines" .... you'll see my other comments for Digest members below. Do include your surnames ( in Caps) in the subject line > location > dates and then include them again in the body of your message where you give the full details of your ancestor. If your details are sketchy at this point, then just put what ever you do have; sometimes the most minor of details can often provide the breakthrough. Subject lines such as "HELP" may not get you any HELP ... "NEW SUBSCRIBER" may only get you a HELLO if you are lucky. The reason is not because you are being intentionally ignored, but rather because our wonderful members with the resources to help you are VERY busy, so they scan the subject lines looking for a subject about which they have knowledge. Sometimes they have no time to open every message and peek to see if they can help, so do yourselves a big favor by drawing the right kind of attention to yourself and giving an assist to those with the resources and knowledge who are able to help. If you are making a general or other emigration/immigration inquiry, take a moment to read your own subject line first, to check if it is meaningful for your query. Put as much info in the subject line as can be reasonably done. Try not to _begin_ your subject line with numbers, as the robot handling the list mail sometimes rejects those. ps. A list member (who is one of our big helpers) has also suggested that when any of us respond to a message with an inappropriate subject line, that we alter it slightly. I do this sometimes, but on a busy day I sometimes overlook this step. ++ AOL and SPAM filters There has been a new trend for subscribers to set up filters to screen out unwanted emails. Unfortunately, it sometimes also restricts the receipt of messages from Rootsweb. When the message is rejected, it automatically triggers a auto bounce counter here at Rootsweb. "After 4 there is no more" to plagiarize an old advertising theme :-). ++ Answering: If you able to answer another member's query, then please share that answer with other list members ... UNLESS, the reply is very specifically directed to the poster [such as, "we have a Bill Smith living next door ... could he be yours?"] If your answer will be of interest to other list members, such as immigration, marriages, dates, ports, microfilm numbers, "how-to" research immigration/emigration related sources etc., etc., then please share that with the list. ++ Quoting: When responding to a query on the list, by all means quote the original message so that we ALL know what you are talking about. BUT, edit <snip> the original message to just illustrate the part which you have answered. On the recent roll call for instance, the actual post for the roll call should have been snipped. ++ <snip>'s: As mentioned above, "snipping" [editing] is recommended, to save from excessive "quoting" and wasting band-width by filling up the Digests. List Mode members, also <snip> the 'tag-lines' from the original post, and refrain from sending any "piggy-backed" messages with your post unless they follow the thread. ++ Forwarding Mail: When forwarding mail [Fwd:] because you may have mis-addressed the original or you are sending a repeat of an earlier query, take a moment to edit all the unnecessary 'headers' and taglines etc. They take up too much room, and serve no purpose. Some may just "delete" rather than paging down to find your message. Consider copy/paste into a new message, rather than "Fwd:". ++ CAPS: Do not write your message in "CAPS" [Capital letters]. Messages/Queries written ALL in CAPS tend to be difficult to read, for most of us. In the "world" of cyber-space, CAPS are considered the equivalent of SHOUTING! Save CAPS for ship names, surnames, or anything else you wish to stress. (CAPS are okay from vision-impaired members) ++ WebPages: Do not "quote" an entire web page, rather, POST the URL and give a brief description of the site, and an explanation of why you found it useful. ++ Citing: When quoting any information found elsewhere, eg. ... a web page, a book, a document .. always cite (give credit) to the website, and/or the author, the publication etc. Apart from being common courtesy, it can also cover many possible copyright infringements when you quote an excerptfrom an original document/publication. Content from a public document is not copyright, but the compilation of those facts can be. ++ Subject Lines: These are SO important as this is your "headline" to attract the attention of those who may be able to help you. Digest members ..... remember to change the subject line to reflect the topic. If you send a subject which says ... Re: Surname-D Digest V02 #xx ... then this is meaningless, and may go unread. Also, include your year of interest. ++ Thank you: Please NEVER forget to send a thank you to someone who has answered your query. It is so nice to send some appreciation to those who have helped you. These should be in the form of a PRIVATE message, but I won't mind if you have been totally overwhelmed by the number of responses, and you wish to thank everyone by means of the list. :-) It only takes a moment, and shows that you don't take any contribution for granted. ++ Reply Most often any info request etc should be posted to the list Surname-L@rootsweb.com. Do not reply to me as list admin because I then just forward to the list..later..maybe :-) Please reply to the List even if you are on the Digest as in Surname-D@rootsweb.com. ++ Not A Subscriber. You will sometimes get a "Not A Subscriber" notice. These are posts that get bounced to me because the poster is sending from a different address than they are subscribed with. I usually forward these to the list. The address that you are registered with can be just slightly different, sometimes the ISP inserts a extra server or other identification in the email id. To check your own address, send your self a email and look at the headers to look at your "from" address. Make sure your email program inserts this address in your post and then subscribe to the mailing lists of your choice. Some ISP ( MSN especially) adds "hotmail"or "email" on some kind of random basis to your "from" address. The Rootsweb computer sees that as a totally different address and will bounce that to me. I usually forward when I can , but there is a delay. ++ Virus alerts Please just send these directly to me and keep the discussion off the mailing list. There is a really good Virus mailing list here at Rootsweb Join by sending an email to VIRUS-DISCUSSION-L-request@rootsweb.com with subscribe in the body of message. I can also refer you to any number of good Virus sites and sites for Free Anti-Virus software. For the first time, if you do get infected, then I delete your account and send a notice message to you. The second time results in a reject notice on your account. I will send out Virus Alerts from time to time after verifying with several Virus web sites. I do subscribe to several newsletters and "honey pots" to get early warnings about upcoming Viruses. There is a wide difference of opinion about the question of even the List Admin sending out Virus Alerts. I will be happy to debate the point off line but I can declare now that in my opinion, the possibility of saving even one person the pain of losing their work is worth one delete message. The virus industry has changed dramatically over the last two years and that changed my opinion. ++ Virus Updates to the software There is a separate and important fact that everyone needs to know. The AntiVirus software program is out of date when you purchase and install it. The Software Programs work on checking a pattern of words against a known database of viruses. There are new viruses introduced each day of each week. So your AV program needs to be updated very often ( at least once a week) I update mine every night. Most programs have an auto update feature. I've set mine to update at 2 AM. Now it also goes that don't lean back and sigh if you have you've got AV software. The AV software is your last line of defense ; not your first. Don't open attachments etc etc. Some of the new viruses are really tricky in their descriptions ( warning from Microsoft come to mind) and double extensions etc etc. There are viruses now being seen at some of the test sites, that are sent in the pure text messages. Currently you can not get a virus from the message from Rootsweb. It's your friends, family and people that you correspond with that do you in :-). ++ Signature Blocks Signature Blocks and Lines are your address at the bottom of your message. No signatures lines over 4 lines. The VLF will automatically put anybody on moderate that can't seem to get their sig line down. Large sig lines clog up the search engine and the archives. "VLF is a patented system from Piglet (the Listowners admin) and she rents it out for a royalty fee per use. VLF = Very Large Flyswatter to keep posters in line :-) ++ Bounces We all get bounced from time to time. It's not a signal that we don't love you. The Rootsweb email server keeps track of how many times a message to you has bounced back. Most times it'd due to you exceeding a limit at your email service. Most of the free Email servers ( Yahoo, Hotmail Netzero ) have very low limits , usually 2 meg of mail. In today's world of big messages that happens very fast. A weekend away can fill your email box pretty fast. So the post from these lists then gets returned. "After 4 there is no more" and the "bouncer" steps in and removes your address. Don't get upset, merely resubscribe and go on. You might want to check the archives to see if there is any missed messages to you. ++ Archives. Every message ever posted is archived here at Rootsweb. So if you're joining because you now found that this surname or topic is hot on your priority list, then check the archives to see what has already been posted. You can go to the home page at www.rootsweb.com and pick up the archives from there. The archives are located at www.archiver.rootsweb.com if you want to bypass home and go direct :-) ++ Contact the List Admin You can always contact any list admin by sending an email to XXXX-admin@rootsweb.com. XXXX = name of the list. My email is below for direct reference. ++ Unsubscribe Please send an email directly to the request server at XXXXX-L-request@rootsweb.com and merely put unsubscribe in the body of the message. To get on this list you had sent a message with subscribe. So to get off, you merely just tell the computer unsubscribe. Remember this is HAL. Remember this is HAL, Remember this is HAL etc etc. ++ Address Changes We all have address changes in our life. It's a fact of life in this Internet world we live in. So to update your address: A: Send an email to unsubscribe. Please note that you need to use the original email address to do so. On almost every email software program, you can install or keep the original email address. It's there in the from box of the message. You might have to call up the "options" tab to see it. B: Then send an email to subscribe the new address. Please use the new address as it looks in your email server when you created your new account. ++ Posting to the Mail List. All Inquires and mail should only go directly to the mail list. The address to post to is XXXX-L@rootsweb.com. Messages sent to to the XXXXX-L-request@rootsweb.com will bounce back to me. Since most of those bounces are misc. they wind up getting deleted. So your pleas to get help to find that one elusive ancestor is gone into the ether someplace. Any other address will bounce to me and then be deleted. There are many ways that various spam artists are trying to post to the list and wind up bouncing to the admin. They are all deleted. So your important message regarding an ancestor line or a response to someone will probably be deleted. ++ USE your one and only Official Subscribed Address Most of the problems regarding posting, unsubscribing etc are due to a difference in the "from" address in your email program and the "reply to". You were subscribed to the "reply to" address automatically. The computer ( HAL) looks only at your "from" address. That "from" address must match the subscribed address. So if you changed the "from" address for some reason then no message. The computer will only accept mail from registered subscribed users. When the address doesn't match exactly, it bounces. I sometimes get a copy but not always. Take a look at the welcome message that you received for this list. Please keep that message. It tells you exactly what address was subscribed and will be accepted for posting. Make sure all email you send is "from" that address. The Rootsweb computer "Hal" just never sleeps and never lets a message get by with an "almost correct" address. Remember this is HAL, Remember this is HAL ++ Be Nice No Flames, No Selling, No Religion, No Politics These are all interesting and emotional items. Trying to admin a list under those circumstance just takes too much time from my own Genealogy and my Grandchildren :-) Hope all this helps. Best Regards John A Hansen jahansen@qwest.net List Admin BTW: From time to time I get some questions about my own background etc. There is a summary at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/spotlight/hansen_j.html

    05/18/2002 03:51:30