How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I rather imagine $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. Patricia Philip Lindsey wrote: > Patricia and List, > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, > Missouri was an excellent example. > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep > the horse and saddle? " > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or > no. > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his > Southern loyalties. > > Best Regards, > > Phil Lindsey > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > Patricia > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > > stead. > > > Ellen > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > > >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > > > Irish War Cry > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > ==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > "Remember Ireland and Fontenoy!" > Irish War Cry > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Outside of Castle Garden processing station, immigrants were being recruited for the Union Army. Prior to the start of conscription in July 1863, volunteers were obtained by offering bounties for enlistment. Many Irish immigrants, attracted by the prospect of $600 signed up immediately. Source "The Book Of Irish Americans" by William D. Griffin page 60 Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. > > My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I rather imagine > $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. > > Patricia > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > Patricia and List, > > > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the > > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my > > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor > > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time > > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double > > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). > > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one > > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, > > Missouri was an excellent example. > > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred > > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with > > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern > > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having > > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many > > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties > > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option > > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? > > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not > > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep > > the horse and saddle? " > > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the > > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 > > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the > > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or > > no. > > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have > > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to > > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his > > Southern loyalties. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Phil Lindsey > > > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > > > stead. > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > > > >Way!)) Irish Battle Cry > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > >Source for Family History Online. 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