Here is an interesting story: In 1863, The Conscription Act, which allowed anyone to evade military sevice provided that he pay $300.00 or enlist a substitute for three years of service, that set off four days of rioting in New York. The working-class Irish, to whom $300.00 was almost a year's wages, were outraged: they took out their anger on the Negroes, whom they believed were responsible for the war. Hundreds blacks and whites were killed. The Color Orphan Asylum was burned, and property demage amounted to several million dollar. (That's uninflated 1863 dollars) Source: "The Ethnic Almanac" Author Stephanie Bernardo page 20 Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. > > My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I rather imagine > $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. > > Patricia > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > Patricia and List, > > > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. And if the > > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more interesting for my > > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door neighbor > > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and spent time > > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a double > > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this email). > > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds light on one > > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone County, > > Missouri was an excellent example. > > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one hundred > > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being familiar with > > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were pro-Southern > > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft and having > > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men do? Many > > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash bounties > > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but what option > > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at $300? > > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If $300 is not > > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , and you keep > > the horse and saddle? " > > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves until the > > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that after 1862 > > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and the > > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, bounty or > > no. > > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who would have > > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of having to > > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for maintaining his > > Southern loyalties. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Phil Lindsey > > > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline County, MO. > > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I would > > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War the > > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in his > > > > stead. > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish relative, > > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. LInda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear the > > > > >Way!)) 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'The New York City Draft Riots, their significance for American Society and politics in the Age of the Civil War" by Iver Bernstein, New York, Oxford University Press, 1990. The author was assistant professor of History at Washington University, St. Louis. His doctoral dissertation was the basis of the this book. He names names of the Anti-Draft Committee (many Irish surnames), Lawrence Lader wrote "New York's Bloodiest Week, the draft riots of 1863 turned a great city into a living hell" published in American Heritage. Unfortunately, I tore part of it from the bound book and these pages give no clue to date of publication. Ellen Ann Keegan wrote: >Here is an interesting story: > >In 1863, The Conscription Act, which allowed anyone to evade military sevice >provided that he pay $300.00 or enlist a substitute for three years of >service, that set off four days of rioting in New York. The working-class >Irish, to whom $300.00 was almost a year's wages, were outraged: they took >out their anger on the Negroes, whom they believed were responsible for the >war. Hundreds blacks and whites were killed. The Color >Orphan Asylum was burned, and property demage amounted to several million >dollar. (That's uninflated >1863 dollars) >Source: "The Ethnic Almanac" Author Stephanie Bernardo page 20 > >Ann >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> >To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM >Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > > >>How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. >> >>My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I >> >rather imagine > >>$300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. >> >>Patricia >> >>Philip Lindsey wrote: >> >>>Patricia and List, >>> >>> Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. >>> >And if the > >>>substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more >>> >interesting for my > >>>GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door >>> >neighbor > >>>and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and >>> >spent time > >>>as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a >>> >double > >>>connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this >>> >email). > >>> Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds >>> >light on one > >>>of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone >>> >County, > >>>Missouri was an excellent example. >>> The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one >>> >hundred > >>>"Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being >>> >familiar with > >>>many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were >>> >pro-Southern > >>>if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft >>> >and having > >>>family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men >>> >do? Many > >>>furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash >>> >bounties > >>>by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but >>> >what option > >>>was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at >>> >$300? > >>> I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If >>> >$300 is not > >>>enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , >>> >and you keep > >>>the horse and saddle? " >>> Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves >>> >until the > >>>Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that >>> >after 1862 > >>>there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and >>> >the > >>>changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, >>> >bounty or > >>>no. >>> There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who >>> >would have > >>>(or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of >>> >having to > >>>provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for >>> >maintaining his > >>>Southern loyalties. >>> >>>Best Regards, >>> >>>Phil Lindsey >>> >>>Don Bishop wrote: >>> >>>>My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline >>>> >County, MO. > >>>>He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I >>>> >would > >>>>suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. >>>> >>>>Patricia >>>> >>>>Ellen Naliboff wrote: >>>> >>>>>The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War >>>>> >the > >>>>>government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. >>>>>The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. >>>>>However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in >>>>> >his > >>>>>stead. >>>>>Ellen >>>>> >>>>>LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish >>>>>> >relative, > >>>>>>age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. >>>>>> >LInda > >>>>>> >>>>>>==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== >>>>>>"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear >>>>>> >the > >>>>>>Way!)) 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Cadé mar atat tú, Ann? (How are you?), This is a story that needs looking into. Though the basic facts are correct, the "spin" that was put on it at the time was thoroughly anti-Irish. The "Know-Nothings" (the anti-Immmigrant forces) had long been propagandizing against the immigrant, non-Norman Irish. When the riots occurred, the papers quickly put out damage reports and indicated that the Irish had turned their wrath on the Negroes. When one thinks about it, there is little logic in the target. The Irish and the Blacks were both greatly discriminated against (remember "No Irish Need Apply" hung on many doors). Ken Burns documentary investigated this, but all of the details elude me at the moment. Perhaps someone on the list can give us more details. However, it seems that the worry was with the huge numbers of Irish who were very a very potent and cohesive political force (think Tammany Hall bosses and prior) and their reaction to being asked to commit the Supreme sacrifice for a land that had not yet given them much. My own impression was that the Irish did riot, but not specifically against blacks as such, but more as "Collateral Damage" because they were close to where the Irish were. And the solution was the "spin". Pit the Irish against the blacks (in the papers) and, consequently, against the Emancipation Proclamation and Lincoln, and the Irish would appear "un-American" and "un-Patriotic" (and easy pickings for the Know Nothings after the war). Consequently, the ward healers and bosses got the immigrant Irish behind the war effort and won legitimacy for the Irish after the war. At any rate, it is a murky chapter of American history and would be a good subject to hear on. My own Grandda was in the Five Corners area of New York at the time but was dead many years before I was born. He sure would have had the tale and were he here I'd ask for his input. Well, I'll ask anyway. Maybe he'll send it some other fashion (how 'bout it Grandda Dan?<grin>) Best Regards, Phil Lindsey Ann Keegan wrote: > Here is an interesting story: > > In 1863, The Conscription Act, which allowed anyone to evade military sevice > provided that he pay $300.00 or enlist a substitute for three years of > service, that set off four days of rioting in New York. The working-class > Irish, to whom $300.00 was almost a year's wages, were outraged: they took > out their anger on the Negroes, whom they believed were responsible for the > war. Hundreds blacks and whites were killed. The Color > Orphan Asylum was burned, and property demage amounted to several million > dollar. (That's uninflated > 1863 dollars) > Source: "The Ethnic Almanac" Author Stephanie Bernardo page 20 > > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Bishop" <donbi@concentric.net> > To: <CIVIL-WAR-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] > > > How interesting. I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > My great grandfather was a 17 year old from County Clare, Ireland and I > rather imagine > > $300 seemed much like the pot 'o gold at the end of the rainbow to him. > > > > Patricia > > > > Philip Lindsey wrote: > > > > > Patricia and List, > > > > > > Oddly, Thomas Owens of Saline County was an ancestor of mine, also. > And if the > > > substitute was your Carey ancestor of 71st EMM, it is even more > interesting for my > > > GGGrandfather Willis Pinkney Lindsey left Boone County and his next door > neighbor > > > and Confederate brother to join the Union forces in Saline county and > spent time > > > as a Second Corporal in the 71st EMM). So, it looks like we have a > double > > > connection (Patricia, I'll write you directly after finishing this > email). > > > Ellen made an excellent point about the installments which sheds > light on one > > > of the "variations on a theme" regarding bounties in Missouri. Boone > County, > > > Missouri was an excellent example. > > > The Boone County Roots Web site has a listing of (I think) over one > hundred > > > "Federal" draftees for 1864 and the results thereof. Already being > familiar with > > > many of the individuals and names, I knew that most of these men were > pro-Southern > > > if not actively fighting for the South. Yet, faced with a Federal draft > and having > > > family, farms and future immovably in Boone County, what did these men > do? Many > > > furnished "substitutes". Some of these substitutes were induced by cash > bounties > > > by the government (if not in Boone County, then certainly others) but > what option > > > was there for the draftees who could not find obliging substitutes at > $300? > > > I think the answer was informal competitive bargaining. I.E., " If > $300 is not > > > enough, how about I throw in $200 of my own?" or " How's about $300 , > and you keep > > > the horse and saddle? " > > > Among the draftees of Boone County were some men who had been slaves > until the > > > Emancipation Proclamation (of 1/1/1863). It is also a fair guess that > after 1862 > > > there were many newly free men ( dispossessed both by Border Warfare and > the > > > changing tides of war in Missouri) who were very happy to substitute, > bounty or > > > no. > > > There is great irony in thinking about how many Missourians, who > would have > > > (or did) fight for the South, could have been forced into a position of > having to > > > provide a new Union draftee substitute soldier as a price for > maintaining his > > > Southern loyalties. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Phil Lindsey > > > > > > Don Bishop wrote: > > > > > > > My great grandfather was a substitute for a Thomas Owens in Saline > County, MO. > > > > He was paid the $300 bounty. However, it was paid in installments. I > would > > > > suppose to be certain he stayed for his full enlistment. > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > Ellen Naliboff wrote: > > > > > > > > > The enlistment bonus us $300 in lieu of land. Prior to the Civil War > the > > > > > government had no money but granted Land Warrants to veterans. > > > > > The CW was the first in which a draft was used to fill the ranks. > > > > > However, a young man could pay $300 and someone else would serve in > his > > > > > stead. > > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > > LLWHALE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Eamonn: It was common to sign up for a $100.00 bounty. My Irish > relative, > > > > > >age 18, did this and died from sickness before his year was up. > LInda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CIVIL-WAR-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > > >"Faugh a Ballaugh!" (A period rendering of Fag an Bealach (Clear > the > > > > > >Way!)) 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